Pitch - Firefox 57 update

[James Hogarth]

You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which lead to a
FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...

Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on timing)
and it will be a breaking experience for many users.

I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads up to
users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm willing
to write it ;)

Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for our
users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we provide
early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking FF57
until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of to
provide feedback.

How does everyone here feel about this?

James

[Martin Stransky]

On 10/16/2017 11:36 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which lead to a
> FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...
>
> Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on timing)
> and it will be a breaking experience for many users.
>
> I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads up to
> users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm willing
> to write it ;)
>
> Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for our
> users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we provide
> early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking FF57
> until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of to
> provide feedback.
>
> How does everyone here feel about this?

+1

I'm happy if you write that.

ma.
> James
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:46:20AM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
> On 10/16/2017 11:36 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which lead to a
> > FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...
> >
> > Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on timing)
> > and it will be a breaking experience for many users.
> >
> > I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads up to
> > users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm willing
> > to write it ;)
> >
> > Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for our
> > users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we provide
> > early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking FF57
> > until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of to
> > provide feedback.
> >
> > How does everyone here feel about this?
>
> +1
>
> I'm happy if you write that.

I had been corresponding with Martin and others elsewhere about this
very topic.  James and Martin, we would really like to see a Magazine
article to give users a heads-up about what to expect, available
alternatives, and best practices to deal with extension breakage.
Thanks for your interest and help.

[James Hogarth]

On 16 October 2017 at 13:56, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:46:20AM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
> > On 10/16/2017 11:36 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which lead
>
> to a
> > > FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...
> > >
> > > Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on
>
> timing)
> > > and it will be a breaking experience for many users.
> > >
> > > I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads up
>
> to
> > > users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm
>
> willing
> > > to write it ;)
> > >
> > > Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for
>
> our
> > > users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we
>
> provide
> > > early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking
>
> FF57
> > > until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of to
> > > provide feedback.
> > >
> > > How does everyone here feel about this?
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I'm happy if you write that.
>
> I had been corresponding with Martin and others elsewhere about this
> very topic.  James and Martin, we would really like to see a Magazine
> article to give users a heads-up about what to expect, available
> alternatives, and best practices to deal with extension breakage.
> Thanks for your interest and help.

It's funny how timing can go :)

I'm putting together a draft now ... it'll probably take a few days and
then I'll put up a preview link for comments.

[James Hogarth]

On 16 October 2017 at 14:02, James Hogarth  wrote:
> On 16 October 2017 at 13:56, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:46:20AM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
> > > On 10/16/2017 11:36 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > > You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which lead
> >
> > to a
> > > > FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...
> > > >
> > > > Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on
> >
> > timing)
> > > > and it will be a breaking experience for many users.
> > > >
> > > > I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads up
> >
> > to
> > > > users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm
> >
> > willing
> > > > to write it ;)
> > > >
> > > > Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for
> >
> > our
> > > > users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we
> >
> > provide
> > > > early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking
> >
> > FF57
> > > > until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of to
> > > > provide feedback.
> > > >
> > > > How does everyone here feel about this?
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > I'm happy if you write that.
> >
> > I had been corresponding with Martin and others elsewhere about this
> > very topic.  James and Martin, we would really like to see a Magazine
> > article to give users a heads-up about what to expect, available
> > alternatives, and best practices to deal with extension breakage.
> > Thanks for your interest and help.
>
> It's funny how timing can go :)
>
> I'm putting together a draft now ... it'll probably take a few days and
> then I'll put up a preview link for comments.

Okay I have a draft ready for review and comments.

The public preview link is:
https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19026&preview=1&_ppp=14710ffd1f

The COPR is already in place ... I'll update the instructions bit on the
COPR to point to the article when we push it live.

https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jhogarth/firefox57/

[Ryan Lerch]

As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones we
have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093

cheers,
ryanlerch

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, James Hogarth 
wrote:
> On 16 October 2017 at 14:02, James Hogarth 
> wrote:
> > On 16 October 2017 at 13:56, Paul W. Frields
>
> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:46:20AM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
> > > > On 10/16/2017 11:36 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > > > You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which
>
> lead
> > > to a
> > > > > FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on
> > >
> > > timing)
> > > > > and it will be a breaking experience for many users.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads
>
> up
> > > to
> > > > > users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm
> > >
> > > willing
> > > > > to write it ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for
> > >
> > > our
> > > > > users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we
> > >
> > > provide
> > > > > early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking
> > >
> > > FF57
> > > > > until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of
>
> to
> > > > > provide feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does everyone here feel about this?
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > I'm happy if you write that.
> > >
> > > I had been corresponding with Martin and others elsewhere about this
> > > very topic.  James and Martin, we would really like to see a Magazine
> > > article to give users a heads-up about what to expect, available
> > > alternatives, and best practices to deal with extension breakage.
> > > Thanks for your interest and help.
> >
> > It's funny how timing can go :)
> >
> > I'm putting together a draft now ... it'll probably take a few days and
> > then I'll put up a preview link for comments.
>
> Okay I have a draft ready for review and comments.
>
> The public preview link is:
> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19026&preview=1&_ppp=14710ffd1f
>
> The COPR is already in place ... I'll update the instructions bit on the
> COPR to point to the article when we push it live.
>
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jhogarth/firefox57/
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[James Hogarth]

On 18 Oct 2017 12:52, "Ryan Lerch"  wrote:

As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones we
have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?

https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093

cheers,
ryanlerch

Ordinarily I'd say yes... but as part of the symbolism surrounding the
rather drastic change Firefox is making they have updated their logo for
this release.

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-edition-fastest-...

At least I think that is not just the developer logo... I'm at lunch away
from my laptop at present so I can't check what the current logo is.

Anyone able to quickly confirm the beta logo?

Given the branding of quantum it might be useful to use the developer logo
anyway just to emphasise that this is not an ordinary Firefox update...

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-edition-fastest-...

[Eduard Lucena]

The new logos are here:

http://design.firefox.com/photon/visuals/product-identity-assets.html

I'm not sure if is official, but the developers logo match with the
officially announced, so I'm guessing we can trust that the info is current.

Br,

2017-10-18 9:10 GMT-03:00 James Hogarth :
> On 18 Oct 2017 12:52, "Ryan Lerch"  wrote:
>
> As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones we
> have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?
>
> https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
>
> Ordinarily I'd say yes... but as part of the symbolism surrounding the
> rather drastic change Firefox is making they have updated their logo for
> this release.
>
> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-
> developer-edition-fastest-firefox-ever/
>
> At least I think that is not just the developer logo... I'm at lunch away
> from my laptop at present so I can't check what the current logo is.
>
> Anyone able to quickly confirm the beta logo?
>
> Given the branding of quantum it might be useful to use the developer logo
> anyway just to emphasise that this is not an ordinary Firefox update...
>
> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-
> developer-edition-fastest-firefox-ever/
> _______________________________________________
> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[James Hogarth]

Ah so the colouring isn't changing but the aesthetic of the visual is.

We should update our media library and use the standard horizontal lockup
provided... or the updated release logo inky with our own blurb.

We should not use the old logo for this article.

On 18 Oct 2017 13:40, "Eduard Lucena"  wrote:
> The new logos are here:
>
> http://design.firefox.com/photon/visuals/product-identity-assets.html
>
> I'm not sure if is official, but the developers logo match with the
> officially announced, so I'm guessing we can trust that the info is current.
>
> Br,
>
> 2017-10-18 9:10 GMT-03:00 James Hogarth :
> > On 18 Oct 2017 12:52, "Ryan Lerch"  wrote:
> >
> > As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones we
> > have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?
> >
> > https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093
> >
> > cheers,
> > ryanlerch
> >
> > Ordinarily I'd say yes... but as part of the symbolism surrounding the
> > rather drastic change Firefox is making they have updated their logo for
> > this release.
> >
> > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-
> > edition-fastest-firefox-ever/
> >
> > At least I think that is not just the developer logo... I'm at lunch away
> > from my laptop at present so I can't check what the current logo is.
> >
> > Anyone able to quickly confirm the beta logo?
> >
> > Given the branding of quantum it might be useful to use the developer logo
> > anyway just to emphasise that this is not an ordinary Firefox update...
> >
> > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-
> > edition-fastest-firefox-ever/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
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> Ubuntu User #8749
> Fedora Ambassador Latam

[James Hogarth]

Back at my desk...

Can confirm the logo in the F27 FF57 packages is indeed

http://design.firefox.com/photon/images/product-identity-assets/firefox.png

So yeah we really should update our assets and use that one rather
than the older one.

On 18 October 2017 at 14:03, James Hogarth  wrote:
> Ah so the colouring isn't changing but the aesthetic of the visual is.
>
> We should update our media library and use the standard horizontal lockup
> provided... or the updated release logo inky with our own blurb.
>
> We should not use the old logo for this article.
>
> On 18 Oct 2017 13:40, "Eduard Lucena"  wrote:
> > The new logos are here:
> >
> > http://design.firefox.com/photon/visuals/product-identity-assets.html
> >
> > I'm not sure if is official, but the developers logo match with the
> > officially announced, so I'm guessing we can trust that the info is current.
> >
> > Br,
> >
> > 2017-10-18 9:10 GMT-03:00 James Hogarth :
> > > On 18 Oct 2017 12:52, "Ryan Lerch"  wrote:
> > >
> > > As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones we
> > > have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?
> > >
> > > https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > ryanlerch
> > >
> > > Ordinarily I'd say yes... but as part of the symbolism surrounding the
> > > rather drastic change Firefox is making they have updated their logo for
> > > this release.
> > >
> > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-edition-fastest-...
> > >
> > > At least I think that is not just the developer logo... I'm at lunch away
> > > from my laptop at present so I can't check what the current logo is.
> > >
> > > Anyone able to quickly confirm the beta logo?
> > >
> > > Given the branding of quantum it might be useful to use the developer
> > > logo
> > > anyway just to emphasise that this is not an ordinary Firefox update...
> > >
> > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-edition-fastest-...
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> >
> > --
> > Eduard Lucena
> > Móvil: [phone]
> > GNU/Linux User #589060
> > Ubuntu User #8749
> > Fedora Ambassador Latam

[Paul W. Frields]

So noted!

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 02:24:38PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> Back at my desk...
>
> Can confirm the logo in the F27 FF57 packages is indeed
>
> http://design.firefox.com/photon/images/product-identity-assets/firefox.png
>
> So yeah we really should update our assets and use that one rather
> than the older one.
>
> On 18 October 2017 at 14:03, James Hogarth  wrote:
> > Ah so the colouring isn't changing but the aesthetic of the visual is.
> >
> > We should update our media library and use the standard horizontal lockup
> > provided... or the updated release logo inky with our own blurb.
> >
> > We should not use the old logo for this article.
> >
> > On 18 Oct 2017 13:40, "Eduard Lucena"  wrote:
> > > The new logos are here:
> > >
> > > http://design.firefox.com/photon/visuals/product-identity-assets.html
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if is official, but the developers logo match with the
> > > officially announced, so I'm guessing we can trust that the info is current.
> > >
> > > Br,
> > >
> > > 2017-10-18 9:10 GMT-03:00 James Hogarth :
> > > > On 18 Oct 2017 12:52, "Ryan Lerch"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones we
> > > > have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?
> > > >
> > > > https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > ryanlerch
> > > >
> > > > Ordinarily I'd say yes... but as part of the symbolism surrounding the
> > > > rather drastic change Firefox is making they have updated their logo for
> > > > this release.
> > > >
> > > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-edition-fastest-...
> > > >
> > > > At least I think that is not just the developer logo... I'm at lunch away
> > > > from my laptop at present so I can't check what the current logo is.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone able to quickly confirm the beta logo?
> > > >
> > > > Given the branding of quantum it might be useful to use the developer
> > > > logo
> > > > anyway just to emphasise that this is not an ordinary Firefox update...
> > > >
> > > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-edition-fastest-...
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eduard Lucena
> > > Móvil: [phone]
> > > GNU/Linux User #589060
> > > Ubuntu User #8749
> > > Fedora Ambassador Latam
>
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[James Hogarth]

Thanks for the editorial polish.

I appreciate the assistance :)

On 18 Oct 2017 18:01, "Paul W. Frields"  wrote:

So noted!

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 02:24:38PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> Back at my desk...
>
> Can confirm the logo in the F27 FF57 packages is indeed
>
> http://design.firefox.com/photon/images/product-

identity-assets/firefox.png
> So yeah we really should update our assets and use that one rather
> than the older one.
>
> On 18 October 2017 at 14:03, James Hogarth

wrote:
> > Ah so the colouring isn't changing but the aesthetic of the visual is.
> >
> > We should update our media library and use the standard horizontal

lockup
> > provided... or the updated release logo inky with our own blurb.
> >
> > We should not use the old logo for this article.
> >
> > On 18 Oct 2017 13:40, "Eduard Lucena"  wrote:
> > > The new logos are here:
> > >
> > > http://design.firefox.com/photon/visuals/product-identity-assets.html
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if is official, but the developers logo match with the
> > > officially announced, so I'm guessing we can trust that the info is

current.
> > > Br,
> > >
> > > 2017-10-18 9:10 GMT-03:00 James Hogarth :
> > > > On 18 Oct 2017 12:52, "Ryan Lerch"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As for a featured image for this one, i think one of the generic ones

we
> > > > have in the library should be suitable: maybe this one?
> > > >
> > > > https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/upload.php?item=8093
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > ryanlerch
> > > >
> > > > Ordinarily I'd say yes... but as part of the symbolism surrounding the
> > > > rather drastic change Firefox is making they have updated their logo

for
> > > > this release.
> > > >
> > > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-

developer-edition-fastest-firefox-ever/
> > > > At least I think that is not just the developer logo... I'm at lunch

away
> > > > from my laptop at present so I can't check what the current logo is.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone able to quickly confirm the beta logo?
> > > >
> > > > Given the branding of quantum it might be useful to use the developer
> > > > logo
> > > > anyway just to emphasise that this is not an ordinary Firefox

update...
> > > > https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-

developer-edition-fastest-firefox-ever/
> > > > Fedora Magazine mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eduard Lucena
> > > Móvil: [phone]
> > > GNU/Linux User #589060
> > > Ubuntu User #8749
> > > Fedora Ambassador Latam
>
> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 01:55:50AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> Thanks for the editorial polish.
>
> I appreciate the assistance :)

Thanks for writing a great article!  It will push out tomorrow at 0800
UTC.  I got the image ready using the updated logo as you pointed out.

[Martin Stransky]

On 10/18/2017 01:41 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 16 October 2017 at 14:02, James Hogarth  wrote:
> > On 16 October 2017 at 13:56, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:46:20AM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
> > > > On 10/16/2017 11:36 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > > > You may have noticed a mini ruckus on the development list which lead
> > >
> > > to a
> > > > > FESCo decision being needed about the Firefox 57 update ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Eventually the update will hit F26 (and perhaps F25 depending on
> > >
> > > timing)
> > > > > and it will be a breaking experience for many users.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suggested on the devel list that an article on FM giving a heads up
> > >
> > > to
> > > > > users would be beneficial - of course having made the suggest I'm
> > >
> > > willing
> > > > > to write it ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Since this is going to be a breaking experience and major change for
> > >
> > > our
> > > > > users, outside of the usual release scope, I think it important we
> > >
> > > provide
> > > > > early information in the magazine. I'll be providing a COPR tracking
> > >
> > > FF57
> > > > > until it eventually hits stable as well that users can make use of to
> > > > > provide feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does everyone here feel about this?
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > I'm happy if you write that.
> > >
> > > I had been corresponding with Martin and others elsewhere about this
> > > very topic.  James and Martin, we would really like to see a Magazine
> > > article to give users a heads-up about what to expect, available
> > > alternatives, and best practices to deal with extension breakage.
> > > Thanks for your interest and help.
> >
> > It's funny how timing can go :)
> >
> > I'm putting together a draft now ... it'll probably take a few days and
> > then I'll put up a preview link for comments.
>
> Okay I have a draft ready for review and comments.
>
> The public preview link is:
> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19026&preview=1&_ppp=14710ffd1f

Good article, Thanks!
ma.
> The COPR is already in place ... I'll update the instructions bit on the
> COPR to point to the article when we push it live.
>
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jhogarth/firefox57/