Fedora-MY Bug #0

[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

Shuttleworth's bug #1 is -> "Microsoft has the majority market share"

so let them do that ...

Microsoft is not a problem to us, as we are non-profit, and Fedora
focuses more in driving FOSS development forward than worrying about
marketshare.

Therefore, I'm suggesting a bug #0 for us, the Fedora-MY group - based
on something that Red Hat once mentioned long ago, Harish Pillay
repeated it not so long ago, and John Lim also reiterate it back in
FOSS.MY 2009

bug #0: "Contribution in FOSS from Southeast Asia is too low"

everybody , are y'all up to the task to fix this bug??


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[ahmad zulkarnain]

+1 in support of resolving bug #0

I may not be able to code, but i sure as heck test stuff. ;)

[Johann Amin]

 From what I can see, most if not all of the FOSS activity is happening 
in Selangor/WP. It is crucial to remember that the "MY" in FOSS-MY 
stands for Malaysia (if by any chance it means Myanmar, please ignore 
the remainder of this message). Selangor/WP !== Malaysia.

The first step is to find out who's who & where. Draft out a roster and 
appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators.

People are not going to join a cause if they don't actually see it in 
action, which brings us to the second step. FOSS activities should be 
rotated to different states/areas where potential/promising candidates 
can come, see, touch & smell the community.

[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Johann Amin <johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt; wrote:
>  From what I can see, most if not all of the FOSS activity is
> happening in
>  Selangor/WP. It is crucial to remember that the "MY" in FOSS-MY stands for
>  Malaysia (if by any chance it means Myanmar, please ignore the remainder of
>  this message). Selangor/WP !== Malaysia. 
of course Selangor/WP is not Malaysia. but the active ones are located
in this area. Also , FOSS-MY != Fedora-MY.

>  The first step is to find out who's who & where. Draft out a roster and
>  appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators. 
Currently in term of Fedora-MY group, majority are in Selangor/WP, and
we kindof got Farouq at JB, thats for now. The rest are idle. There
are also some Fedorans in Perak (UTP/UiTM)

>  People are not going to join a cause if they don't actually see it in
>  action, which brings us to the second step. FOSS activities should be
>  rotated to different states/areas where potential/promising candidates can
>  come, see, touch & smell the community.
>  
Also, do note that Fedora-MY is a group with no money besides from our
own shallow pockets. We cant afford (monetarily, and time) to cycle
venues like that.

Therefore, at this point of time, what we can afford is Selangor/WP as
our starting point. Until more consumers are converted to become
contributors.

-- 
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Johann Amin
> <johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt; wrote:
> > From what I can see, most if not all of the FOSS activity is happening in
> > Selangor/WP. It is crucial to remember that the "MY" in FOSS-MY stands for
> > Malaysia (if by any chance it means Myanmar, please ignore the remainder of
> > this message). Selangor/WP !== Malaysia.
>
>  of course Selangor/WP is not Malaysia. but the active ones are located
>  in this area. Also , FOSS-MY != Fedora-MY.
>
> >
> > The first step is to find out who's who & where. Draft out a roster and
> > appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators.
>
>  Currently in term of Fedora-MY group, majority are in Selangor/WP, and
>  we kindof got Farouq at JB, thats for now. The rest are idle. There
>  are also some Fedorans in Perak (UTP/UiTM)
>
> >
> > People are not going to join a cause if they don't actually see it in
> > action, which brings us to the second step. FOSS activities should be
> > rotated to different states/areas where potential/promising candidates can
> > come, see, touch & smell the community.
> >
>
>  Also, do note that Fedora-MY is a group with no money besides from our
>  own shallow pockets. We cant afford (monetarily, and time) to cycle
>  venues like that.
>
>  Therefore, at this point of time, what we can afford is Selangor/WP as
>  our starting point. Until more consumers are converted to become
>  contributors.
>  
or are there some other silent active Ambassadors lurking around in
this ML ?? (which I quite doubt it)


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[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  or are there some other silent active Ambassadors lurking around in
>  this ML ?? (which I quite doubt it)
>  
me! :D





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[Johann Amin]

On 10/28/2009 03:53 PM, Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Johann
> Amin<johann(a)akiss.com.my>  wrote:
>     
> >  From what I can see, most if not all of the FOSS activity is happening in
> > Selangor/WP. It is crucial to remember that the "MY" in FOSS-MY stands for
> > Malaysia (if by any chance it means Myanmar, please ignore the remainder of
> > this message). Selangor/WP !== Malaysia.
> >      
>  of course Selangor/WP is not Malaysia. but the active ones are located
>  in this area. Also , FOSS-MY != Fedora-MY.
>
>      
My bad. I've always preferred to use the term FOSS as it is more 
"wholesome".
> > The first step is to find out who's who&  where. Draft
> out a roster and
> > appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators.
> >      
>  Currently in term of Fedora-MY group, majority are in Selangor/WP, and
>  we kindof got Farouq at JB, thats for now. The rest are idle. There
>  are also some Fedorans in Perak (UTP/UiTM)
>
>      
Well, now you've got my name up here in Penang. If there are any 
Fedora-MY lurkers around in Penang/Butterworth, you know who to call.
> > People are not going to join a cause if they don't actually
> see it in
> > action, which brings us to the second step. FOSS activities should be
> > rotated to different states/areas where potential/promising candidates can
> > come, see, touch&  smell the community.
> >
> >      
>  Also, do note that Fedora-MY is a group with no money besides from our
>  own shallow pockets. We cant afford (monetarily, and time) to cycle
>  venues like that.
>
>      
Sure I would like the pizazz & glamor of a ballroom event in a 6-star 
hotel with free flow of champagne and what not, but FOSS is about 
drawing interest, bringing awareness & fostering a community. Even if 
you just setup a stall in the middle of a pasar malam with a 1HP petrol 
generator, 2 notebooks and a megaphone. The moment someone stops to 
inquire, we've done our job.
>  Therefore, at this point of time, what we can afford is Selangor/WP
> as
>  our starting point. 
It doesn't have to be now and it doesn't have to be
tomorrow, but as 
long as we are sincere in wanting to making Fedora/FOSS activities 
something that can be enjoyed/embraced by all, it is a good enough start.
>  Until more consumers are converted to become
>  contributors.
>      
Build it and they shall come.


You need to define "contribution".  Most people wold take it to mean money.

[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Johann Amin <johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt; wrote:
>  On 10/28/2009 03:53 PM, Izhar Firdaus wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Johann Amin&lt;johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt;  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>  From what I can see, most if not all of the FOSS activity is happening
> >> in
> >> Selangor/WP. It is crucial to remember that the "MY" in FOSS-MY stands
> >> for
> >> Malaysia (if by any chance it means Myanmar, please ignore the remainder
> >> of
> >> this message). Selangor/WP !== Malaysia.
> >>
> >
> > of course Selangor/WP is not Malaysia. but the active ones are located
> > in this area. Also , FOSS-MY != Fedora-MY.
> >
> >
>
>  My bad. I've always preferred to use the term FOSS as it is more
>  "wholesome". 
no , its my bad ..

if you mean "FOSS-MY" as in the conference and the group of people
behind the conference, then "FOSS-MY" != "Fedora-MY" ..

but if you mean FOSS as in the concept and philosophy of Free Software
and Open Source Software .. then thats a different case  :) ..

> >>
> >> The first step is to find out who's who&  where. Draft out a roster and
> >> appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators.
> >>
> >
> > Currently in term of Fedora-MY group, majority are in Selangor/WP, and
> > we kindof got Farouq at JB, thats for now. The rest are idle. There
> > are also some Fedorans in Perak (UTP/UiTM)
> >
> >
>
>  Well, now you've got my name up here in Penang. If there are any Fedora-MY
>  lurkers around in Penang/Butterworth, you know who to call. 
cool ... it would be great if you grab a FAS Account and add yourself
as an active contributor in our contributor list
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MalaysianTeam  ... so that
its easier for ppl to look for you :)

> >>
> >> People are not going to join a cause if they don't actually see it in
> >> action, which brings us to the second step. FOSS activities should be
> >> rotated to different states/areas where potential/promising candidates
> >> can
> >> come, see, touch&  smell the community.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Also, do note that Fedora-MY is a group with no money besides from our
> > own shallow pockets. We cant afford (monetarily, and time) to cycle
> > venues like that.
> >
> >
>
>  Sure I would like the pizazz & glamor of a ballroom event in a 6-star hotel
>  with free flow of champagne and what not, but FOSS is about drawing
>  interest, bringing awareness & fostering a community. Even if you just setup
>  a stall in the middle of a pasar malam with a 1HP petrol generator, 2
>  notebooks and a megaphone. The moment someone stops to inquire, we've done
>  our job. 
thats what we've been doing and still doing it, but without the petrol
generator and megaphone ... yup, our pocket is much shallower to even
afford pasar malam booth .. lolz ..

> >
> > Therefore, at this point of time, what we can afford is Selangor/WP as
> > our starting point.
>
>  It doesn't have to be now and it doesn't have to be tomorrow, but as long as
>  we are sincere in wanting to making Fedora/FOSS activities something that
>  can be enjoyed/embraced by all, it is a good enough start. 
yep

> >
> > Until more consumers are converted to become
> > contributors.
> >
>
>  Build it and they shall come.
>
>
>  You need to define "contribution".  Most people wold take it to mean money.

In general, I want more people who can take on stuff listed in
http://join.fedoraproject.org/ .. it can mean money, but imo, action
worth more.


-- 
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
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http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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[BRIAN RITCHIE]

Kage,

  If I may add. We can also take another route to resolve bug #0. We need to
encourage participation and not merely usage. The challenge of Asia or at
least SEA at this point is we are heavy consumers but not contributors
particularly b/c we are using not participating.

  We perhaps need to take a hands-on approach as well to this issue. One
such example we can emulate is Damn Vulnerable Linux. What they do is
produce a unpatched ISO of a certain distro for users to download and
attempt to hack on, which actually invites the user to not only use but
engage with the distro.

   Perhaps we can identify the Fedora strong points and create such
hackathons/day-0/patch writing competitions with universities to encourage
students to work on real issues. I am sure we can organise such sessions
with the help of Fedora where the patches can be submitted reviewed and
approved for use thus encouraging students to indirectly contribute/train
more towards such goals.

What say you ?

-BRIAN RITCHIE

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Johann Amin
> <johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt; wrote:
>  > On 10/28/2009 03:53 PM, Izhar Firdaus wrote:
>  >>
>  >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Johann Amin&lt;johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt;
>   wrote:
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>>  From what I can see, most if not all of the FOSS activity is happening
>  >>> in
>  >>> Selangor/WP. It is crucial to remember that the "MY" in FOSS-MY
> stands
>  >>> for
>  >>> Malaysia (if by any chance it means Myanmar, please ignore the
>  remainder
>  >>> of
>  >>> this message). Selangor/WP !== Malaysia.
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >> of course Selangor/WP is not Malaysia. but the active ones are located
>  >> in this area. Also , FOSS-MY != Fedora-MY.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  > My bad. I've always preferred to use the term FOSS as it is more
>  > "wholesome".
>
>  no , its my bad ..
>
>  if you mean "FOSS-MY" as in the conference and the group of people
>  behind the conference, then "FOSS-MY" != "Fedora-MY" ..
>
>  but if you mean FOSS as in the concept and philosophy of Free Software
>  and Open Source Software .. then thats a different case  :) ..
>
>  >>>
>  >>> The first step is to find out who's who&  where. Draft out a roster
> and
>  >>> appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators.
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >> Currently in term of Fedora-MY group, majority are in Selangor/WP, and
>  >> we kindof got Farouq at JB, thats for now. The rest are idle. There
>  >> are also some Fedorans in Perak (UTP/UiTM)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  > Well, now you've got my name up here in Penang. If there are any
>  Fedora-MY
>  > lurkers around in Penang/Butterworth, you know who to call.
>
>  cool ... it would be great if you grab a FAS Account and add yourself
>  as an active contributor in our contributor list
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MalaysianTeam  ... so that
>  its easier for ppl to look for you :)
>
>  >>>
>  >>> People are not going to join a cause if they don't actually see it in
>  >>> action, which brings us to the second step. FOSS activities should be
>  >>> rotated to different states/areas where potential/promising candidates
>  >>> can
>  >>> come, see, touch&  smell the community.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >> Also, do note that Fedora-MY is a group with no money besides from our
>  >> own shallow pockets. We cant afford (monetarily, and time) to cycle
>  >> venues like that.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  > Sure I would like the pizazz & glamor of a ballroom event in a 6-star
>  hotel
>  > with free flow of champagne and what not, but FOSS is about drawing
>  > interest, bringing awareness & fostering a community. Even if you just
>  setup
>  > a stall in the middle of a pasar malam with a 1HP petrol generator, 2
>  > notebooks and a megaphone. The moment someone stops to inquire, we've
>  done
>  > our job.
>
>  thats what we've been doing and still doing it, but without the petrol
>  generator and megaphone ... yup, our pocket is much shallower to even
>  afford pasar malam booth .. lolz ..
>
>  >>
>  >> Therefore, at this point of time, what we can afford is Selangor/WP as
>  >> our starting point.
>  >
>  > It doesn't have to be now and it doesn't have to be tomorrow, but as long
>  as
>  > we are sincere in wanting to making Fedora/FOSS activities something that
>  > can be enjoyed/embraced by all, it is a good enough start.
>
>  yep
>
>  >>
>  >> Until more consumers are converted to become
>  >> contributors.
>  >>
>  >
>  > Build it and they shall come.
>  >
>  >
>  > You need to define "contribution".  Most people wold take it to mean
>  money.
>
>
>  In general, I want more people who can take on stuff listed in
>  http://join.fedoraproject.org/ .. it can mean money, but imo, action
>  worth more.
>
>
>  --
>  Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
>  Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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>

[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
<esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Kage,
>
>   If I may add. We can also take another route to resolve bug #0. We need to
>  encourage participation and not merely usage. The challenge of Asia or at
>  least SEA at this point is we are heavy consumers but not contributors
>  particularly b/c we are using not participating. 
exactly ... we have a lot of consumers here .. but lack of
contributors ... and most of the local activities so far, are focused
in getting more consumers rather than contributors ..

and imo, our group should focus in fixing this bug ..  as theres no
group (that i've seen so far) try to assess this issue ..

>   We perhaps need to take a hands-on approach as well to this issue. One
>  such example we can emulate is Damn Vulnerable Linux. What they do is
>  produce a unpatched ISO of a certain distro for users to download and
>  attempt to hack on, which actually invites the user to not only use but
>  engage with the distro. 
DSL is created for a different - computer security related - purpose .. :)

>    Perhaps we can identify the Fedora strong points and create such
>  hackathons/day-0/patch writing competitions with universities to encourage
>  students to work on real issues. I am sure we can organise such sessions
>  with the help of Fedora where the patches can be submitted reviewed and
>  approved for use thus encouraging students to indirectly contribute/train
>  more towards such goals. 
Your idea is quite close to what I've been thinking for quite some time :)

Barcamp Melaka is my first (personal) milestone to start getting
contributors ...

'with the help of Fedora' .. that would be us :P .. we also need to
sharpen up our own technical skills in this.... currently from the
current situation, I'm quite alone whenever it comes to Fedora related
technology skills ... (eg, writing yum plugins, understanding rpm and
repositories, knowing some of the codes of some of the internal tools,
knowing the Fedora infrastructure and libs related to it) ...

So, what I'm planning now, try to guide/get more people who can work
on these stuff  ... not sure how many i would get though , as so far,
several had given up ..  but 1 is always better than 0 ..

RPM Packaging is a start .. anybody going to Barcamp Melaka? :P

>  What say you ?
>
>  -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  



-- 
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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[BRIAN RITCHIE]

That's great. What we can do in this case is formalize this into a course
module, part-time or summer project for local universities. Similar to GSOC,
we can implement a smaller scale tutorial form with proper end goals for
students in unis or even high school if we are ambitious enough and have
adequate resources. Thoughts ? Community ?

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Kage,
>  >
>  >  If I may add. We can also take another route to resolve bug #0. We need
>  to
>  > encourage participation and not merely usage. The challenge of Asia or at
>  > least SEA at this point is we are heavy consumers but not contributors
>  > particularly b/c we are using not participating.
>
>  exactly ... we have a lot of consumers here .. but lack of
>  contributors ... and most of the local activities so far, are focused
>  in getting more consumers rather than contributors ..
>
>  and imo, our group should focus in fixing this bug ..  as theres no
>  group (that i've seen so far) try to assess this issue ..
>
>  >
>  >  We perhaps need to take a hands-on approach as well to this issue. One
>  > such example we can emulate is Damn Vulnerable Linux. What they do is
>  > produce a unpatched ISO of a certain distro for users to download and
>  > attempt to hack on, which actually invites the user to not only use but
>  > engage with the distro.
>
>  DSL is created for a different - computer security related - purpose .. :)
>
>  >
>  >   Perhaps we can identify the Fedora strong points and create such
>  > hackathons/day-0/patch writing competitions with universities to
>  encourage
>  > students to work on real issues. I am sure we can organise such sessions
>  > with the help of Fedora where the patches can be submitted reviewed and
>  > approved for use thus encouraging students to indirectly contribute/train
>  > more towards such goals.
>
>  Your idea is quite close to what I've been thinking for quite some time :)
>
>  Barcamp Melaka is my first (personal) milestone to start getting
>  contributors ...
>
>  'with the help of Fedora' .. that would be us :P .. we also need to
>  sharpen up our own technical skills in this.... currently from the
>  current situation, I'm quite alone whenever it comes to Fedora related
>  technology skills ... (eg, writing yum plugins, understanding rpm and
>  repositories, knowing some of the codes of some of the internal tools,
>  knowing the Fedora infrastructure and libs related to it) ...
>
>  So, what I'm planning now, try to guide/get more people who can work
>  on these stuff  ... not sure how many i would get though , as so far,
>  several had given up ..  but 1 is always better than 0 ..
>
>  RPM Packaging is a start .. anybody going to Barcamp Melaka? :P
>
>  >
>  > What say you ?
>  >
>  > -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >
>
>
>
>
>  --
>  Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
>  Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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>
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>

[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

2009/10/28 BRIAN RITCHIE <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  That's great. What we can do in this case is formalize this into
> a course
>  module, part-time or summer project for local universities. Similar to GSOC,
>  we can implement a smaller scale tutorial form with proper end goals for
>  students in unis or even high school if we are ambitious enough and have
>  adequate resources. Thoughts ? Community ? 
You familiar with GSOC?

theres no tutorial, the student do everything themselves, with a
mentor to poke when stuck ... which is why USD5000 is given to those
who successfully finished their project ..

I wonder if our students are ready for such culture ... too many that
i've met want to be spoonfed (and this coming from a student who just
left Uni - me) ..

>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
> > <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > Kage,
> > >
> > >  If I may add. We can also take another route to resolve bug #0. We need
> > to
> > > encourage participation and not merely usage. The challenge of Asia or at
> > > least SEA at this point is we are heavy consumers but not contributors
> > > particularly b/c we are using not participating.
> >
> > exactly ... we have a lot of consumers here .. but lack of
> > contributors ... and most of the local activities so far, are focused
> > in getting more consumers rather than contributors ..
> >
> > and imo, our group should focus in fixing this bug ..  as theres no
> > group (that i've seen so far) try to assess this issue ..
> >
> > >
> > >  We perhaps need to take a hands-on approach as well to this issue. One
> > > such example we can emulate is Damn Vulnerable Linux. What they do is
> > > produce a unpatched ISO of a certain distro for users to download and
> > > attempt to hack on, which actually invites the user to not only use but
> > > engage with the distro.
> >
> > DSL is created for a different - computer security related - purpose .. :)
> >
> > >
> > >   Perhaps we can identify the Fedora strong points and create such
> > > hackathons/day-0/patch writing competitions with universities to
> > encourage
> > > students to work on real issues. I am sure we can organise such sessions
> > > with the help of Fedora where the patches can be submitted reviewed and
> > > approved for use thus encouraging students to indirectly contribute/train
> > > more towards such goals.
> >
> > Your idea is quite close to what I've been thinking for quite some time :)
> >
> > Barcamp Melaka is my first (personal) milestone to start getting
> > contributors ...
> >
> > 'with the help of Fedora' .. that would be us :P .. we also need to
> > sharpen up our own technical skills in this.... currently from the
> > current situation, I'm quite alone whenever it comes to Fedora related
> > technology skills ... (eg, writing yum plugins, understanding rpm and
> > repositories, knowing some of the codes of some of the internal tools,
> > knowing the Fedora infrastructure and libs related to it) ...
> >
> > So, what I'm planning now, try to guide/get more people who can work
> > on these stuff  ... not sure how many i would get though , as so far,
> > several had given up ..  but 1 is always better than 0 ..
> >
> > RPM Packaging is a start .. anybody going to Barcamp Melaka? :P
> >
> > >
> > > What say you ?
> > >
> > > -BRIAN RITCHIE
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
> > Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
> > Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
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[BRIAN RITCHIE]

Kage,

   I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should consider a
similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere with a model
that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move closer to a
GSOC model.

-BRIAN RITCHIE

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  2009/10/28 BRIAN RITCHIE <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > That's great. What we can do in this case is formalize this into a course
>  > module, part-time or summer project for local universities. Similar to
>  GSOC,
>  > we can implement a smaller scale tutorial form with proper end goals for
>  > students in unis or even high school if we are ambitious enough and have
>  > adequate resources. Thoughts ? Community ?
>
>  You familiar with GSOC?
>
>  theres no tutorial, the student do everything themselves, with a
>  mentor to poke when stuck ... which is why USD5000 is given to those
>  who successfully finished their project ..
>
>  I wonder if our students are ready for such culture ... too many that
>  i've met want to be spoonfed (and this coming from a student who just
>  left Uni - me) ..
>
>  >
>  > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com
>  >wrote:
>  >
>  >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> > Kage,
>  >> >
>  >> >  If I may add. We can also take another route to resolve bug #0. We
>  need
>  >> to
>  >> > encourage participation and not merely usage. The challenge of Asia or
>  at
>  >> > least SEA at this point is we are heavy consumers but not contributors
>  >> > particularly b/c we are using not participating.
>  >>
>  >> exactly ... we have a lot of consumers here .. but lack of
>  >> contributors ... and most of the local activities so far, are focused
>  >> in getting more consumers rather than contributors ..
>  >>
>  >> and imo, our group should focus in fixing this bug ..  as theres no
>  >> group (that i've seen so far) try to assess this issue ..
>  >>
>  >> >
>  >> >  We perhaps need to take a hands-on approach as well to this issue.
>  One
>  >> > such example we can emulate is Damn Vulnerable Linux. What they do is
>  >> > produce a unpatched ISO of a certain distro for users to download and
>  >> > attempt to hack on, which actually invites the user to not only use
>  but
>  >> > engage with the distro.
>  >>
>  >> DSL is created for a different - computer security related - purpose ..
>  :)
>  >>
>  >> >
>  >> >   Perhaps we can identify the Fedora strong points and create such
>  >> > hackathons/day-0/patch writing competitions with universities to
>  >> encourage
>  >> > students to work on real issues. I am sure we can organise such
>  sessions
>  >> > with the help of Fedora where the patches can be submitted reviewed
>  and
>  >> > approved for use thus encouraging students to indirectly
>  contribute/train
>  >> > more towards such goals.
>  >>
>  >> Your idea is quite close to what I've been thinking for quite some time
>  :)
>  >>
>  >> Barcamp Melaka is my first (personal) milestone to start getting
>  >> contributors ...
>  >>
>  >> 'with the help of Fedora' .. that would be us :P .. we also need to
>  >> sharpen up our own technical skills in this.... currently from the
>  >> current situation, I'm quite alone whenever it comes to Fedora related
>  >> technology skills ... (eg, writing yum plugins, understanding rpm and
>  >> repositories, knowing some of the codes of some of the internal tools,
>  >> knowing the Fedora infrastructure and libs related to it) ...
>  >>
>  >> So, what I'm planning now, try to guide/get more people who can work
>  >> on these stuff  ... not sure how many i would get though , as so far,
>  >> several had given up ..  but 1 is always better than 0 ..
>  >>
>  >> RPM Packaging is a start .. anybody going to Barcamp Melaka? :P
>  >>
>  >> >
>  >> > What say you ?
>  >> >
>  >> > -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> >
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
>  >> Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  >> Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  >> http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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>  >>
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>  Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
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[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
<esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Kage,
>
>    I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should consider a
>  similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere with a model
>  that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move closer to a
>  GSOC model.
>  
can I assume you'll be the leader to lead us on this effort? :) ..

>  -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  


-- 
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
http://blog.kagesenshi.org
92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866  5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331

[BRIAN RITCHIE]

Kage,

   If I were to lead this effort, I have to make a few things clear and if
you are agreeable, then I' will go ahead and work on this.

1. I will only be able to work on this as a part-time effort due to job
engagements.
2. A model like this will involve other FOSS OS'/Software/ and the likes
though I will make a valid effort in highlighting Fedora as well. I believe
in unifying FOSS as a whole and not just through one specific OS or app.
3. I will engage the community of FOSS for volunteers to help out with the
program where possible b/c I am not as technical oriented as some of you are
being both a techie and business guy at the same time.
4. I will respects all opinions as long as they are delivered in a calm and
logical way instead of attempting to flame me or any team member/volunteer
for the effort simply b/c of our believes/approach
5. All opinions from the community is valid and will be given consideration.
No one person is valued more than the other be it internally within the
Fedora community/or other FOSS communities around.
6. < Reserve for future use> :-P

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Kage,
>  >
>  >   I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should consider a
>  > similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere with a
>  model
>  > that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move closer to
>  a
>  > GSOC model.
>  >
>
>  can I assume you'll be the leader to lead us on this effort? :) ..
>
>  > -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >
>
>
>
>  --
>  Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
>  Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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>
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>

[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
<esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Kage,
>
>    If I were to lead this effort, I have to make a few things clear and if
>  you are agreeable, then I' will go ahead and work on this.
>
>  1. I will only be able to work on this as a part-time effort due to job
>  engagements. 
all of us are doing stuff like this parttime :)

>  2. A model like this will involve other FOSS OS'/Software/ and
> the likes
>  though I will make a valid effort in highlighting Fedora as well. I believe
>  in unifying FOSS as a whole and not just through one specific OS or app. 
the Fedora mantra is Upstream Upstream Upstream ...

whatever good for upstream, good for Fedora :).

if you can get users of
a-particular-distro-who-loves-to-keep-their-enhancements-for-themselves
to contribute upstream, then that would be way better :D

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects

It is of our best interest that upstream gets more people to
contribute to them and drive development forward ..

>  3. I will engage the community of FOSS for volunteers to help out
> with the
>  program where possible b/c I am not as technical oriented as some of you are
>  being both a techie and business guy at the same time.
>  4. I will respects all opinions as long as they are delivered in a calm and
>  logical way instead of attempting to flame me or any team member/volunteer
>  for the effort simply b/c of our believes/approach 
flames ... thats hard to avoid .. just keep your extinguishers ready .. :P

>  5. All opinions from the community is valid and will be given
> consideration.
>  No one person is valued more than the other be it internally within the
>  Fedora community/or other FOSS communities around. 
+1

>  6. < Reserve for future use> :-P
>
>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
> > <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > Kage,
> > >
> > >   I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should consider a
> > > similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere with a
> > model
> > > that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move closer to
> > a
> > > GSOC model.
> > >
> >
> > can I assume you'll be the leader to lead us on this effort? :) ..
> >
> > > -BRIAN RITCHIE
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
> > Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
> > Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
> > http://blog.kagesenshi.org
> > 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866  5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-my-list
> >
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Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
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http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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[BRIAN RITCHIE]

Noted. I'll keep you posted on my plan in regards to this. Thx a mill Kage

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Kage,
>  >
>  >   If I were to lead this effort, I have to make a few things clear and if
>  > you are agreeable, then I' will go ahead and work on this.
>  >
>  > 1. I will only be able to work on this as a part-time effort due to job
>  > engagements.
>
>  all of us are doing stuff like this parttime :)
>
>  > 2. A model like this will involve other FOSS OS'/Software/ and the likes
>  > though I will make a valid effort in highlighting Fedora as well. I
>  believe
>  > in unifying FOSS as a whole and not just through one specific OS or app.
>
>  the Fedora mantra is Upstream Upstream Upstream ...
>
>  whatever good for upstream, good for Fedora :).
>
>  if you can get users of
>  a-particular-distro-who-loves-to-keep-their-enhancements-for-themselves
>  to contribute upstream, then that would be way better :D
>
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects
>
>  It is of our best interest that upstream gets more people to
>  contribute to them and drive development forward ..
>
>  > 3. I will engage the community of FOSS for volunteers to help out with
>  the
>  > program where possible b/c I am not as technical oriented as some of you
>  are
>  > being both a techie and business guy at the same time.
>  > 4. I will respects all opinions as long as they are delivered in a calm
>  and
>  > logical way instead of attempting to flame me or any team
>  member/volunteer
>  > for the effort simply b/c of our believes/approach
>
>  flames ... thats hard to avoid .. just keep your extinguishers ready .. :P
>
>  > 5. All opinions from the community is valid and will be given
>  consideration.
>  > No one person is valued more than the other be it internally within the
>  > Fedora community/or other FOSS communities around.
>
>  +1
>
>  > 6. < Reserve for future use> :-P
>  >
>  > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com
>  >wrote:
>  >
>  >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> > Kage,
>  >> >
>  >> >   I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should consider
>  a
>  >> > similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere with a
>  >> model
>  >> > that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move closer
>  to
>  >> a
>  >> > GSOC model.
>  >> >
>  >>
>  >> can I assume you'll be the leader to lead us on this effort? :) ..
>  >>
>  >> > -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> >
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --
>  >> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
>  >> Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  >> Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  >> http://blog.kagesenshi.org
>  >> 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866  5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >> Fedora-my-list mailing list
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>  >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-my-list
>  >>
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>
>
>
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>  Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
<esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Noted. I'll keep you posted on my plan in regards to this. Thx a
> mill Kage
>  
one thing imo which you should put in your plan .. is to clearly
define the border of the project ..

you want it to be under Fedora-MY or you want to fork out another group ..

if you want to be all-inclusive distro-agnostic, forking out to
another group, with its own mailing list, and its own separate project
site is better ...



>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Izhar Firdaus
> <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
> > <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > Kage,
> > >
> > >   If I were to lead this effort, I have to make a few things clear and if
> > > you are agreeable, then I' will go ahead and work on this.
> > >
> > > 1. I will only be able to work on this as a part-time effort due to job
> > > engagements.
> >
> > all of us are doing stuff like this parttime :)
> >
> > > 2. A model like this will involve other FOSS OS'/Software/ and the likes
> > > though I will make a valid effort in highlighting Fedora as well. I
> > believe
> > > in unifying FOSS as a whole and not just through one specific OS or app.
> >
> > the Fedora mantra is Upstream Upstream Upstream ...
> >
> > whatever good for upstream, good for Fedora :).
> >
> > if you can get users of
> > a-particular-distro-who-loves-to-keep-their-enhancements-for-themselves
> > to contribute upstream, then that would be way better :D
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects
> >
> > It is of our best interest that upstream gets more people to
> > contribute to them and drive development forward ..
> >
> > > 3. I will engage the community of FOSS for volunteers to help out with
> > the
> > > program where possible b/c I am not as technical oriented as some of you
> > are
> > > being both a techie and business guy at the same time.
> > > 4. I will respects all opinions as long as they are delivered in a calm
> > and
> > > logical way instead of attempting to flame me or any team
> > member/volunteer
> > > for the effort simply b/c of our believes/approach
> >
> > flames ... thats hard to avoid .. just keep your extinguishers ready .. :P
> >
> > > 5. All opinions from the community is valid and will be given
> > consideration.
> > > No one person is valued more than the other be it internally within the
> > > Fedora community/or other FOSS communities around.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > 6. < Reserve for future use> :-P
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
> > >> <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > >> > Kage,
> > >> >
> > >> >   I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should consider
> > a
> > >> > similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere with a
> > >> model
> > >> > that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move closer
> > to
> > >> a
> > >> > GSOC model.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> can I assume you'll be the leader to lead us on this effort? :) ..
> > >>
> > >> > -BRIAN RITCHIE
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
> > >> Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
> > >> Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
> > >> http://blog.kagesenshi.org
> > >> 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866  5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
> > Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
> > Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
> > http://blog.kagesenshi.org
> > 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866  5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331
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[BRIAN RITCHIE]

This is correct. I will figure out the best way to go forward with this and
get back to you. Thx for the advice

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Noted. I'll keep you posted on my plan in regards to this. Thx a mill
>  Kage
>  >
>
>  one thing imo which you should put in your plan .. is to clearly
>  define the border of the project ..
>
>  you want it to be under Fedora-MY or you want to fork out another group ..
>
>  if you want to be all-inclusive distro-agnostic, forking out to
>  another group, with its own mailing list, and its own separate project
>  site is better ...
>
>
>
>  > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Izhar Firdaus <kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com
>  >wrote:
>  >
>  >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> > Kage,
>  >> >
>  >> >   If I were to lead this effort, I have to make a few things clear and
>  if
>  >> > you are agreeable, then I' will go ahead and work on this.
>  >> >
>  >> > 1. I will only be able to work on this as a part-time effort due to
>  job
>  >> > engagements.
>  >>
>  >> all of us are doing stuff like this parttime :)
>  >>
>  >> > 2. A model like this will involve other FOSS OS'/Software/ and the
>  likes
>  >> > though I will make a valid effort in highlighting Fedora as well. I
>  >> believe
>  >> > in unifying FOSS as a whole and not just through one specific OS or
>  app.
>  >>
>  >> the Fedora mantra is Upstream Upstream Upstream ...
>  >>
>  >> whatever good for upstream, good for Fedora :).
>  >>
>  >> if you can get users of
>  >> a-particular-distro-who-loves-to-keep-their-enhancements-for-themselves
>  >> to contribute upstream, then that would be way better :D
>  >>
>  >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives
>  >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects
>  >>
>  >> It is of our best interest that upstream gets more people to
>  >> contribute to them and drive development forward ..
>  >>
>  >> > 3. I will engage the community of FOSS for volunteers to help out with
>  >> the
>  >> > program where possible b/c I am not as technical oriented as some of
>  you
>  >> are
>  >> > being both a techie and business guy at the same time.
>  >> > 4. I will respects all opinions as long as they are delivered in a
>  calm
>  >> and
>  >> > logical way instead of attempting to flame me or any team
>  >> member/volunteer
>  >> > for the effort simply b/c of our believes/approach
>  >>
>  >> flames ... thats hard to avoid .. just keep your extinguishers ready ..
>  :P
>  >>
>  >> > 5. All opinions from the community is valid and will be given
>  >> consideration.
>  >> > No one person is valued more than the other be it internally within
>  the
>  >> > Fedora community/or other FOSS communities around.
>  >>
>  >> +1
>  >>
>  >> > 6. < Reserve for future use> :-P
>  >> >
>  >> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Izhar Firdaus <
>  kagesenshi.87(a)gmail.com
>  >> >wrote:
>  >> >
>  >> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:43 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> >> <esqbrianritchie(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> >> > Kage,
>  >> >> >
>  >> >> >   I am aware of the GSOC model which was why I said we should
>  consider
>  >> a
>  >> >> > similar but not the same model. :-) We got to start somewhere
> with
>  a
>  >> >> model
>  >> >> > that fits with the culture until we build the maturity to move
>  closer
>  >> to
>  >> >> a
>  >> >> > GSOC model.
>  >> >> >
>  >> >>
>  >> >> can I assume you'll be the leader to lead us on this effort? :) ..
>  >> >>
>  >> >> > -BRIAN RITCHIE
>  >> >> >
>  >> >>
>  >> >>
>  >> >>
>  >> >> --
>  >> >> Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
>  >> >> Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
>  >> >> Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
>  >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus
>  >> >> http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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[Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Johann Amin <johann(a)akiss.com.my&gt; wrote:
>  The first step is to find out who's who & where. Draft out a
> roster and
>  appoint 2 to 3 persons as state/area administrators.
>  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MalaysianTeam#Active_Ambassadors


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Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail
Amano Hikaru  天野晃 「あまの ひかる」
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
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http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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