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So I've got a question.
What should our relationship with LUGs be?
There are hundreds of LUGs worldwide. How should we be reaching out to
Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have
Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the
Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the
] [ dumb. --mcluhan
I enjoyed this enough to think it worth sharing. It isn't often enough
that we see a good review of Fedora. This may just be somebody's simple
post to a LUG, but hey, I'll take victories wherever I can find them.
Posted to SATLUG, the San Antonio LUG.
Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
Fabian M. Schindler wrote:
> Good day, Mr. Barnes.
> I am currently the Graphic-Dept. Manager of Yoper Linux Ltd. and thus
> have to do with design of Logos, websites, icons and such things.
> Apart from Yoper I also use Fedora, thus I found the Fedora-Wiki and
> the logo design topic. I have thought a bit about solutions for Fedora
> and it is logical that an good logo needs to be simple, easy for
> printing, with minimal distraction, attractive, dynamic and easy to
> distinguish from other logos, like e.g. Nike or Mercedes. Most of the
> propositions in the Wiki do not really fit the one or the other basic
> aspect of logo-design.
> After some sketches, I came up with the following logo concept. I hope
> you can add it to the logo list in the Wiki.
> Now, some explanations to the design:
> - Blue is a "must" as it is already established as the "Fedora-color".
> - The circle shape is used as a reference to the RedHat logo, which is
> round, too. As Fedora is a testbed for RedHat, it is only logical to
> tie both Distributions one to another without making the logos twins.
> - The "F" got curved/smoothed down in order to make it look more dynamic.
> - At the "foot" of the Fedora-F there is enough space left for
> additions to the logo: Core, Extras, Legacy, etc.
> - The Fedora-Core logo (as seen in the sketch) will have the current
> number of the Fedora release added in a very light grey/silver shade.
> This adds some distinction to the logo without distracting the overall
> I hope that the concept will be useful. In case that the svg-sources
> should be required, I can mail them to you.
> Fabian M. Schindler
> Fabian M. Schindler <fabianmschindler(a)yahoo.de
> Graphic Dept.-Manager
> *Yoper Linux Ltd.*
> New Zealand
I will place your image on the wiki page.
Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
Joseph Annino wrote:
> I saw a post about the fedora logo in the fedora news rss feed with
> your email attached to the article. The idea of how to make a fedora
> logo that doesn't have a hat but it still somehow meaningful to the
> name I thought was an interesting challenge. I'm not much of a
> designer, but I did put something together in a few minutes. Here are
> The idea was to make a hat without having it be a literal hat. The
> black line around the logo forms the brim of the hat. The band and
> bow found on a fedora is suggested by negative space within the logo
> type. Its pretty clean and simple. It seems to scale well from this
> big size down to 20% (take a look at the SVG) while still being
> readable. The font could be changed to match whatever font Fedora
> normally likes to use.
> Anyhow, just an idea to add to those out there already.
I'll add your images to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
Ever since reading http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050711#1 I
have been curious to see this review and thanks to Andy Hudson for
sending me a copy of this article. This review which awards 4/10 points
for the Fedora Core 4 release runs into a couple of pages and is a nice
change from the usual ill informed MP3 rants and cursory looks. Time for
The reviews goes into a general introduction that notes the change in
the default GNOME desktop theme from Bluecurve to Clearlooks, switch to
GCC 4.0 and stresses the movement of packages from core to extras as a
controversy that has alarmed Fedora users and notes that PPC is now a
supported architecture. The controversy over extras has been compared
to the refusal of Red Hat to include 2.6 kernel in RHEL3. RHEL 3 was
released on October 2003, a few months before the first release of 2.6
version of the Linux kernel, providing such a major version bump during
errata updates is something which no distribution has done in my
knowledge. In both cases, the "annoyances" for any users are seemingly
irrational to me. The review has several sections covering different
aspects of the changes in this release.
It has been that mentioned many packages like Abiword, Exim, XEmacs and
XFCE has moved into extras as a effort to reduce bloat and this would be
a problem for users who want to retrieve such packages over a dial up
connection. I dont buy this argument. Lets assume for a moment that
Fedora Core 4 included all of these packages in a 5 CD collection
without moving anything to the extras repository, would users with a
dial up connection be able to download it then?. At any case, Fedora
Core wouldnt ever serve as a set of all the software that any user could
ever want. As Fedora Core gets trimmed to a more manageable collection
of default applications, integration with Fedora Extras and potentially
other third party repositories should be transparent enough that the
users wouldnt have to care which repository their favorite application
is in . As a first step, FC4 ships with the extras repository enabled by
default as mentioned in the review. Now further being work in Anaconda
in using a yum backend would enable users to mix and match their
applications from various repositories during installation time. If
there is sufficient interests, anyone could spin off the other Fedora
compatible repositories into ISO images for redistribution.
GCC 4.0 has been described as a gamble here. Red Hat developers have
significant stake in the development of GCC with in depth knowledge that
enabled them to rebuild nearly all of Fedora Core with this compiler
including fixes to packages and even to the compiler when necessary. A
previous version has been shipped for compatibility reasons. While
pushing new technology always has risks, it also has its benefits and
this is what Fedora is meant to be. The focus on whether GCC 4 would
yield any performance benefits, in my opinion misses a important point.
GCC 4 includes a significantly improved version of GCJ which has enabled
the inclusion of Eclipse, Openoffice.org 2.0 milestone release including
the Java parts, Apache Jakarta among several natively compiled Java
components. This is a significant advancement of a completely Free Java
stack which includes extensive work done over many years, the
importance of this and the relationship with the new compiler seemed to
have gone unnoticed in the review.
The criticism of the lack of improvements in the system configuration
tools (system-config*) especially system-config-package's lack of
understanding of the yum repositories is indeed valid and significant
work is being done during the FC5 timeframe to address this.
This short section has a well deserved praise in this section for
improvements in speed using XML headers and SQLite backend. Kudos to the
yum developers on this.
The review mentions that this release is just a standard update despite
the inclusion of Xen and trimming down a few packages in comparison
with SUSE 9.3 Pro which includes Mono and Beagle. Setting aside the Mono
factor*, Fedora Core 4's inclusion of GFS cluster filesystem, Evince,
Apache Jakarta along with the improvements in the SELinux policies have
gone unnoticed in the review
Taking into consideration, the only major criticism, "GUI limbo" as
mentioned in the review, the overall score seems unfair to me even after
reading the comments in the forum from the site admin, who mentions that
the scores have been readjusted in such a way that 5/10 means a average
one which many distributions would get.
A amusing comment from the side admin caught my eye there "On the flip
side, I would never, ever use it as a server distro either, simply
because it doesn't provide a good enough security infrastructure for my
requirements. ". FC4 includes Exec Shield, GCC 4 security improvements
and 91 daemons covered under SELinux targeted policy by default along
with the strict policy as an alternative. I would have thought that
would provided enough of a security infrastructure in comparison to any
other distribution or even operating system out there.
PS: It would perhaps be a good idea to look at how reviewers go about
understanding new release highlights to help them see through such
changes in an evident manner. It would be interesting to hear Andy
Hudson's comments on his approach
This is one potential user of Fedora: Judy, from Arizona. She sent in a
letter to the editor of Red Hat Magazine that makes me weep inside.
What do we have to say to her?
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [CM] RE: Red Hat | Training News | Americas | August 2005
Date: 24 Aug 2005 14:58:40 -0000
CC: Support <support-byzukdeavsdrjebc9mkazb7v1zzhgs-r(a)redhat.com>
Dear Red Hat, I hope you will get this e-mail. I am a single user
computer person. I put yes down - so I could receive your e-mails.
To tell you the truth I do not know why. Your main emphasis seems to
be on business. I switched from Windows because I thought it would
be safer and healthier all the way round. To tell you the truth I
feel totally lost in your system. I cannot use my CDs that have
games. I downloaded a game I had paid for. No way could I get it to
work. I wrote to Linux Game. Their directions were like Greek, and
I only speak English. I tried to download the anti-virus I use.
They have a version for Linux. No way did I get that. I looked
into your training, but that is extremely costly. I have bought
books. It all come s down to the fact There is little I am able to
do with Linux. Mostly I would like to have a plug-in that works, as
to the fact there are many things I am unable to open, including some
mail, because I can find no way to do it. Dear Red Hat - what are
you doing for us little people out here? I am no further today than
I was the day this was installed. Thank you, Judy D.
---- Original Message ----
Subject: RE: Red Hat | Training News | Americas | August 2005
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:36:21 -0000
>Red Hat | Training News | August 2005
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>* Ask the expert: Red Hat Training Q & A
>* Tips from RHCEs: Remote controlled desktops without VNC
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>"Red Hat has announced a new monitoring tool it says will support
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"Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith(a)ieee.org> wrote:
> BTW, it could be that the "element" logo is the small/short
> version of the logo. I think it's a quick'n dirty way to
> convey both repository and version, possibly currency.
> E.g., "Legacy" when a version has been made Legacy.
> There are lots of games one could play with the design.
> You could _always_ come up with a fancy, "larger logo" for
> more completeness. I just like the element logo because
> it's direct and detailed without overloading the viewer.
I guess if I didn't make myself clear ...
I really like the element logo for any
release/distro-specific news, updates, Release Notes, etc...
There could be a "main/fancy" Fedora logo (no Core, Extras,
etc...) for more general marketing.
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