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fedora-ve logo?
by "Guillermo Gómez S." 13 Nov '06

13 Nov '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, we have a contributor who posted a modified logo with fedora-ve text in it. Is it valid to do such modifications? I dont want to punish him but certainly he has a point on localizing the logo somehow. What's the policy in this case? To encourgae him to make it "the right" or not to modify it at all ? Guillermo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEeDjP0XfK1zIFpGQRAn9AAJsE/k+T4JWnkTckptKETbvUpaZ6XwCgl6Af xYfj047S60uuVk0jynS4UQk= =JU+T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Providing patched DVDs to potential users
by Rob Garth 10 Jun '06

10 Jun '06

A generic install of FC5 requires hundreds of megs of patches once installed, a particular frustration of mine, and I am sure it doesn't leave a good taste in the mouth of people trying out Fedora for the first time. Whenever I give out Fedora DVD images now, I make sure they are built form an updated install tree and that the will require no - or minimal - patching after install. Why isn't there updated monthly releases of the FC iso images? I think there should be, and I think whenever a DVD is handed out to the general public it should be up to date. Any thoughts? (and apalogies if this is the wrong group to post to). Rob Garth.

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 30 May '06

30 May '06

> From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy(a)redhat.com> >> This can be handled in a way where the sub-organization's identity is >> associated with the main brand, bit not integrated with the logo. > > ? Care to give an example or even a sketch? Looks like it is put up or shut up for me ;) > My argument here is that the clearspace is too restrictive Every logo usage document I have been involved with has had at least one designer think a portion was too restrictive. I am assuming that this type of "sub-logo" situation was considered when the usage guidelines were created, as some of the logo proposals included "sub-logo" ideas that were dropped. > As has been noted earlier in this thread, the Fedora Wiki mockup [1], > designed > by Capstrat themselves (who designed the Fedora logo), violates the > clearspace > set in the guidelines with the Fedora wiki logo in the upper left > corner. I personally don't see the reason why the word "WIKI" is placed so close to the logo in that sample layout. Who cares that it is a Wiki rather than some other technology ? Does the word "HTML" occur below the logo on static pages ? There are other design options and plenty of space to move the word "WIKI" somewhere else if it is important. > You keep saying that it's possible for sub-orgs to identify with the > Fedora > project in their logos without changing the established usage > guidelines, but > you don't explain how that is possible. I'd love to hear your thoughts. I am working under a deadline right now, I will try to see if I can set aside some time to come up with a few ideas. If I was going to work on some ideas, I would like to use other examples besides putting the word 'WIKI" with the logo. Four characters is easy to squeeze in somewhere, but if you have 15 to 20 characters, or even two lines of copy to "squeeze" in, that changes many design decisions. Even the examples given earlier at <http://people.redhat.com/dfong/flogo/newHeaders.htm> seem to be one word or two short words. Other languages tend to have a greater number of characters for the same words or phrases in English. What is the term for "info feed" in German ? Should we think about designs using other character sets, like Cyrillic for one example ? Charles Dostale

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 30 May '06

30 May '06

> From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> > Artists are creating art. Art is personal expression, graphics are not art. Graphics are the prostitution of art concepts and techniques to get a specific desired reaction for the benefit of the party paying for the graphics. > They might not have any intention or desire to > promote FOSS tools and the tools or the artists knowledge on those > tools > might be limited. Even the appearance of promoting FOSS tools would be the type of ass-kissing considered normal for a designer ;) Charles Dostale

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 30 May '06

30 May '06

For those that think it is difficult to install the GIMP on a Windows or Mac, that's because those platforms don't support yum ;) Otherwise, I fall on the side that installing the GIMP on Windows or OS X is is not brain-dead simple, but simple enough for most users. Requiring the installation of the GIMP ( or Inkscape ) on Windows or OS X is not too high of a bar to ask, IMHO. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 30 May '06

30 May '06

> From: "Patrick W. Barnes" <nman64(a)n-man.com> > This is a common case. If the original proprietary program > (Photoshop) can't > directly save to an open format, then the contributor should use > another tool > (the GIMP) to convert the file from a proprietary format (PSD) to the > best > open format possible (XCF). It is the responsibility of the original > contributor to make this conversion. XCF is not a open standard format like SVG or OpenDocument. XCF is a format that happens to have the source code available that reads and writes that format, otherwise XCF isn't documented well. I do think it is a good idea to encourage the use of open source tools by distributing layouts and other files in the _native_ format of those open source tools. That would include the native format of Scribus ( .sla ). Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 30 May '06

30 May '06

> From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy(a)redhat.com> > Actually, this is *not* true with respect to what Hugo is suggesting. > For example: > > http://www.rpi.edu/dept/NewsComm/graphics/downloads/pdfs/toolkit.pdf Very descriptive document. > Look at pages 8 & 9 of the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute brand > book. A > university is a large organization made up of many sub-organizations - > schools, > departments, research labs, etc. RPI's brand guidelines (as most > universities' > and large corporations') recognize that they must apply to many > disparate > sub-organizations that share the same 'brand' and have guidelines for > incorparating the use of their logo for those sub-organizations. This can be handled in a way where the sub-organization's identity is associated with the main brand, bit not integrated with the logo. It depends how close the affiliation of the sub-organization is to the main organization. > This concept of 'sub-logo' guidelines actually not that uncommon in > brand > design, and it would be nice if such sub-logo guidelines could be > specified for > Fedora's logo. True. If desired, guidelines on how to handle such cases should be integrated into the usage document, like the one for rpi.edu mentioned above. This puts a larger load on someone within the Fedora Project to keep tabs on a larger array of logos, and have new logos created or approved as the Fedora Project grows. Without a dedicated logo cop within the Fedora Project, I think the simplicity of the current usage document keeps the overhead of maintaining the Fedora visual identity at a minimum. That is a benefit to the Fedora Community from my point of view. I agree with your point, but I ask how much additional value does the Fedora Project get out of these additional logos, verses establishing an identity link for sub-organizations without changing the established usage guidelines ? Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 30 May '06

30 May '06

> From: Gain Paolo Mureddu <gmureddu(a)prodigy.net.mx> > Speaking of print... Do you have information (besides the one at their > site) when will the SVGP spec will be ratified and implemented? Sorry, no. I expect as with any standards ratification, the timeline is not set in stone. > Are there any > programs to manipulate EPS? First, a bit about EPS. EPS stands for Encapsulated PostScript. An EPS file is actually a PostScript program, meant to be executed at print time. In practice, a given EPS file can only be edited by the program that originates it. Because each vector drawing application can create and use proprietary PostScript functions within the EPS, if an application different from the originating program tries to edit the EPS, there will be some problems translating the original PostScript functions into the proprietary functions of the application attempting to edit the EPS. By the way, the term "proprietary" as used here does not only apply to closed source applications. For example, if the KOffice program Karbon14 used different PostScript functions from Inkscape, there might be be translation issues, even though both applications are open source. However, since both applications are open source, the developers of each application would be able to more easily work together to fix translation problems, or perhaps even collaborate on a library both programs could use to read/write EPS files. In the graphics industry, having an EPS file not editable is considered a Good Thing in many cases. That way any logo you distribute can't easily be modified, which is highly desirable. This is why I recommend distributing native formats as well as formats that are good for distribution. In fact, it is possible to keep the native format files under stricter control, such as only having them available on request. In answer to your question about vector drawing tools, I assume you are focussed on the Linux platform. Besides Inkscape and the previously mentioned Karbon14 ( Killustrator/Kontour ), there is a GNUStep application called Cenon. I have used Inkscape the most of those three, although nott as much as Adobe Illustrator or Aldus/Macromedia/Adobe Freehand. > I mean I know encapsulated postscript or PDF > are a better way to handle printing, but how would you adjust color (to > CMYK for instance) with those formats? Besides hacking on the PostScript with a text editor, open the file in the originating application. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by Alex 29 May '06

29 May '06

The new logo guidelines are out! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo Please be sure not to violate any of the guidelines. When you are designing wiki pages, please reference these common design elements instead fo uploading them each time, wasting disk space. Here is a page for that: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiElements Thanks, a -- Check out the new content on Fedora Project page! http://fedoraproject.org

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 28 May '06

28 May '06

> From: Hugo Cisneiros <hugo(a)devin.com.br> > They complained that the Logo isn't following the guidelines, but > didn't say > what guideline it wasn't following. Looking at the guidelines I found > out > that I was not following the "Clear Space" rule. Ok, I gave up, IMO > there was > no good way to create a new logo for Wiki and follow this guideline. Identity guidelines can be difficult to follow in some cases, but there is usually a workable solution. It is possible your original layout concept did not take the guidelines into account, and retrofitting the guidelines into that concept was not workable. That doesn't mean that there is _no_ possible solution, likely just no solution from your original starting point. Perhaps a fresh start on a different layout would produce a workable solution. > Looking today at the proprietary image format about a new Wiki design, > I > realized that the design itself isn't following the "clear space" > guideline > too. Ironic. I did not have time to look at that layout. If this is true that does set a bad president. > So I suggested (and I'm bringing this discussion here) to extend the > Logo > Guidelines to create Sub-Projects Logos, like for Fedora Extras, Fedora > Documentation, Fedora (Brazil), Fedora (France), and so on. The current > guidelines does not allow us to do this in a pretty way because of the > "clear > space" rule. What do you think? No. With identity management, there can be only One True Way. Variation is confusing and dilutes the identity as one other poster already mentioned. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 27 May '06

27 May '06

> From: Gain Paolo Mureddu : > I understand about this, but the problem is that printing houses don't. > They mostly use PMS and especially down here (Mexico City) it is a > problem. As someone that has been both a buyer of printing services and a provider of printing services, the printer does not drive the accuracy of color reproduction, the designer does. Some designers are willing to accept what color accuracy a given printer provides by default. It is my opinion that is a terrible thing to do. The print buyer is in a position to refuse a job if color accuracy is not acceptable. The tools used are not an excuse for poor project management. > Even Adobe native formats have problems I have never personally had a problem with the native formats of Adobe graphic tools in over 16 years using them. > as most print houses > use Corel tools. That is unfortunate, Corel tools are considered second rate in the graphics industry for a reason. That is not to say you can't do good design with Corel tools, or that they always cause problems. It is more difficult to get consistent work from Corel tools in my experience. > Inkscape 0.43-3.fc5, x86_64. > > The infinity symbol freshly opened, I get the following values (from > RGBA to Hex): > Background (bubble) > > RGBA: 5 43 97 255 > HSL: 152 230 51 255 > CYMK: 97 55 0 62 100 > Hex: 002b61ff > > Infinity symbol: > > RGBA: 10 87 164 255 > HSL: 149 226 87 255 > CYMK: 95 48 0 36 100 > Hex: 0856a4ff > > Freedom "f": > > RGBA: 255 255 255 255 > HSL: 0 0 255 255 > CYMK: 0 0 0 100 > Hex: ffffffff Hmm, interesting. I know that Inkscape pulls in a color management library when it is installed, perhaps there is a difference in the configuration of that system between our two computers. I don't have the time to research that right now. > Still I found have some questions > about background color and the symbol... As I noticed in the default > splash screen, boot screen and wallpaper: The infinity symbol has both > a > highlight and a white border to prevent it be lost in the darker blue > background. This is a separate issue from the format in which the logo is supplied. > My question would be: For darker backgrounds, could we add a > light/white border to better outline the symbol so it won't be lost and > keep deffinition? That would be editing the symbol, true, but it would > also make it more visible (or simply visible). Doing that is technically against the usage guide. That is why I would like to have only certain backgrounds be acceptable. Alternatively, it should be specified how to handle backgrounds that can make the logo unreadable, or a special logo that has a white outline or glow built-in. >> Those are binary structures ( CDATA ) that are used instead of ( or in >> addition to ) the SVG when the file is re-opened in Illustrator. >> If you use a text editor to cut out those entries, InkScape is still >> happy. > But that would be editing the original files, which I thought was > strictly forbidden by the guidelines... Yes, I mentioned that not to suggest you do that, but to illustrate that the CDATA is not a necessary part of the file to maintain its compatibility with the SVG spec. > let those who > control the graphics politics for Fedora, handle this, remove those > extra instructions, and may be provide two versions of the files: One > in > native Adobe format, and one in "pure" SVG format. Yes, I agree. Because the SVG was created in a way that included a significant amount of data extraneous to the SVG specification, it would be better for that file to be "cleaned up" for distribution. Native program files would be a good idea too, as well as formats that are better for some other common use cases, like EPS for print. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 27 May '06

27 May '06

> Indeed the problem with CMYK in Inkscape seems to be that as the format > does not support other color schemes than RGBA. Which ends up in the > problems with CMYK and HSL, as the program will dynamicall convert > between RGBA and CMYK/HSL as you move the handlers. So the problem is a > format problem and not a program problem, per se... If there was a standard way to map from one color space to another that all programs could use, then it isn't a program problem either. Wait, there is a standard way to do that ( color management using ICC profiles ). However, as I mentioned in a previous post, there are problems with that solution. > Which pretty much > ties our hands to proprietary software and formats. No, as I mentioned in a previous post, EPS has wonderful support for CMYK. It is not a proprietary format, the specification is open. Several programs read and/or write EPS. This is why I recommended supplying different formats specific to the end use instead of just one format that essentially only covers one use case. There are Linux graphics tools that will deal with EPS ( Inkscape can export ). However because at my job I do not use Linux-based graphics tools very often, I can't rattle off all the programs and how well they support EPS. PDF could work too, many layout programs can use PDF interchangeably with EPS. It must be a _vector_ format, not a pixel format like PNG, TIFF, or JPEG. > Reading through some file format specifications from the W3C (the png > spec[1], for instance) says that the CMYK color space is too > device-dependent to be useful as portable image representation... I > don't fully understand this. I thought RGBA was the one > device-dependant, which had a great deal of variation from device to > device... This is true of _any_ device color space. I personally think there is greater variation in RGB color than CMYK ( even if the PNG spec writers think the opposite ). Any time you adjust the brightness, contrast, or any other setting on your monitor, you are actually changing the colormetric value of all the colors displayed. Beyond the capabilities of each monitor to display a given color, each end users' adjustment of that monitor changes the color too. That is a circus of variety. As a further example, the color space of standard def NTSC television signals is different from the color space for HD television. That means the RGB values of a graphic will appear different when shown in standard def verses high def, unless you take precautions to keep the color consistent. > This whole thing confuses the heck out o me, as I'm only an > amateur with this stuff Um, believe me, a lot of professionally trained designers are confused too. Good designers are aware of the issues and problems associated with reproducing a specific color on different devices, and work hard to make sure the colors in an identity are consistent across all media - web, print, TV, even ads on the side of a bus. > (who would have thought that pretty graphics > were filled with bureaucracy and XYZ standards?) Well, me ;) > Anyway, that's the > state of things, and if I want to play in this field, I have to abide > by > these rules... > > [1]http://www.w3.org/TR/PNG-Rationale.html It would be better to look at this site- <http://www.color.org/> Charles Dostale

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 26 May '06

26 May '06

> I may be a total inexperienced user and complete amateur when it comes > to graphics design and color theory, but unless I'm terribly wrong, > that's why the Pantone® color numbers are used, isn't it?, Without going into a long discussion on color reproduction, there are some bad things about specifying a color via the PMS system. Simply put, PMS was designed to use the Pantone inks only, so if you use any other color space ( let's say some obscure ones like RGB or CMYK ), you won't get what you specified. ( I'm surprised several people jumped up and down about the free font issue, but no one mentions using a proprietary, single vendor color system ;) Anyway, the big difficulty is getting various output devices to reliably match a PMS color. Most companies that print stuff work very hard to get that right behind the scenes, it doesn't always come easy. That said, PMS is considered a standard in the graphics/print industry, so using PMS to specify the colors is not really a wrong move. But it isn't a silver bullet that solves all color reproduction issues. > I am using > Inkscape, as I'm doing all in Linux with free software... One thing > odd, > though... As you say, CMYK values are rather odd, however the > hexadecimal values and the RGBA values DO correspond to those in the > PDF. The values reported by my version of Inkscape ( 0.43-3.fc5, PPC ) for PMS 2935 Hex : 0A57A4 RGB : R10, G87, B164 CMYK : C94, M47, Y0, K36 for PMS 541 Hex : 072B61 RGB : R6, G43, B97 CMYK : C93, M56, Y6, K62 I'd be interested if yours were different from these. Those hex values above are what is in the SVG, but they don't match the usage guide hex values. > I would assume there is a problem with CMYK support in Inkscape, > which might be worth to report to the mailing list. I mentioned this previously, the SVG spec doesn't support CMYK[1] or PMS, so Inkscape makes some guesses to convert to those color spaces. There is a way to save an SVG as an Inkscape-only SVG that maintains those values, but those values won't get used by another program that opens the file. Similar to the issue where Illustrator is able to get the colors right if it opens the SVG, but Inkscape can't. > I have had some > trouble manipulating the files in Inkscape (only tried with the > infinity > symbol, though), but I had to resort to the XML editor to be able to > select the different four elements of the drawing, when trying to > select > with the mouse, only a grouped selection is possible.. There are two selection tools in Inkscape, you might have been using the one that doesn't let you select objects within a group. I didn't have a problem. > I suppose this > is what the original designer intended, and (compared to a "pure" SVG > made with Inkscape), Yes, mere mortals should really not be poking around within these files, as per the guidelines they shouldn't be modified. I opened them because I wanted to verify how the files would open and work in several different graphics programs. > the file has two additional images (one in jpeg > format I believe that is a thumbnail used to preview files in the Adobe "Open File" dialog box. It's not useful for much else. > and one in PGF [for whatever that is]) which I have been unable > to export Those are binary structures ( CDATA ) that are used instead of ( or in addition to ) the SVG when the file is re-opened in Illustrator. If you use a text editor to cut out those entries, InkScape is still happy. [1] <http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/color.html> " All SVG colors are specified in the sRGB color space " ICC color profiles can be used to specify other color spaces. Charles Dostale

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Linus and Fedora
by Rahul Sundaram 26 May '06

26 May '06

Hi http://www.thenetworkadministrator.com/Linus%20Torvalds.htm " Of course, the "one distribution" has changed over time. It used to be SuSE, then when I switched to PowerPC it was YellowDog, then when Fedora did a PPC version I switched to that (so that I could have the same thing on my G5 desktop and my regular x86 laptop). So right now it happens to be FC5." Rahul

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 26 May '06

26 May '06

>>> Please be sure not to violate any of the guidelines. >> >> Repercussions are ? > > One of the clauses for approval is revocability. That means, if you > violate the guidelines outrageously and refuse to comply with > reasonable > requests to get the mark in line, we tell you to take it down. Go far > enough down that line and lawyers would probably get involved, I > suppose, > but I can't see that happening more than once or twice. Very reasonable. I think it is good that this short description is available for public reference. Thanks. Charles Dostale

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Re: New logo guidelines and web design elements posted
by chasd 25 May '06

25 May '06

> The new logo guidelines are out! > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo Yay ! I am glad to see the guidelines are simple, short, and easy to understand, at least from the perspective of someone used to looking at this type of document. Some comments: 1) The color of the guides used to delineate the clear space reserved around the graphics is difficult to read, and is too similar to the color choices of the graphics. As someone that has created bluelines in the past, I understand why light blue was chosen, but I think gray or black may have been a better choice. 2) I would recommend that acceptable background colors be specifically listed, and all others prohibited. This is common in other graphic standards documents I have been exposed to. I think the "whitelist" for backgrounds should be white or the listed PMS 2935. It isn't hard for me to close my eyes and imagine some rather distasteful or problematic background colors used, but maybe that's my problem. For example, the logo on a background of PMS 541 ( the dark blue ) would make the symbol almost disappear, but that is not prohibited by the document. The logo on black would lose the symbol in the darkness ( logotype in white ), although it would not be as bad as a background of PMS 541. Perhaps the clear space around the logo if it is placed on a non-acceptable background could have rounded edges similar to the backgrounds used in the usage guide. This would make a "badge" of sorts. Of course, a radius for the corners relating to the x-height shown would be a good idea. 3) The link for the recommended font should be clickable in the document. I understand that the document was exported out of InDesign 3.0.1, where that is not easy to do. I can do that for you if the originator of the document is not able to. 4) There is no other contact information in the document. I think there should be a URL listed where designer could go to check for the latest version of the document, or for links to the graphics files. PDF files tend to get stored locally on hard drives. Once the usage guide is separated from the web site, there are no internal references to make it back to from where the document came. 5) The RGB and CMYK colors should be listed as approximate, since how devices render those values varies considerably. However without using LAB values, what you have is probably the best you can do. Although many people assume all RGB values are specified on a scale of 0-255, there are several graphics programs that use 0-100. The scale of RGB values is not mentioned in the document. Curiously, if I open the SVG files in InkScape, not the originating program ( Illustrator 11 ), the color values are much different from those specified in the usage document ( in _all_ color spaces ). In my tests, if I used Illustrator 11 or 12, the colors are specified correctly ( but not in Illustrator 10 ). However, it is likely that someone will use InkScape ( or Xara LX ) to open these graphics files. Although I would expect there would be a huge scream about proprietary formats, I would recommend providing the original .ai files for those that _want_ to use Illustrator, .svg files exported from InkScape with correct color values for thse that want to use that program, and CMYK .eps files for use specifically in print. SVG is great, but it doesn't support CMYK very well ( if at all ), so if you need to distribute something specifically for print, EPS is the best format. You could have 2 PMS color EPS files as well. Many modern color laser printers support DeviceN color ( like at Kinko's ), so color matching is generally better now using PMS specification rather than CMYK, a switch from a few short years ago. 6) The recommended font could be shown in a range of sizes instead of just one size to better illustrate the feel of the font. 7) Will there be a layout file/template so that printed information distributed at LUG meeting would have a consistent look ? ( OOo, Scribus, InDesign, XPress ) A OOo Impress template ? Otherwise, great job ! > Please be sure not to violate any of the guidelines. Repercussions are ? I've got a big steel ruler, but it doesn't stretch that far . . . Thanks, Charles Dostale

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Fedora Board chair looks ahead
by Rahul Sundaram 25 May '06

25 May '06

Hi http://os.newsforge.com/os/06/05/15/1729249.shtml?tid=2 Max, can you expand on the reference to conary? Is there a switch in package management actually being discussed or was that a analogy? Rahul

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Sponsored Media Marketing (& a brief progress report)
by Karlie Robinson 24 May '06

24 May '06

Good morning, all. Pure Marketing stuff for you this morning! Sponsored Media is beginning to pick up steam, but it could still use your help to get the word out (the marketing part). A couple of days ago, Sponsored Media was given some very valuable webspace [1], and it's beginning to pay off. We've shipped 6 sponsored discs in the last two days, which is just about as many as we have done since the beginning of the program. You can see from the May tracking page [2], that there are still many requests that need to be filled to get us on track for continual fulfillment. So, Please, continue to talk about Sponsored Media whenever you see a slight opening. It doesn't have to be a sales pitch or anything spectacular. Just toss the Sponsored Media link around [3] when you see anyone saying anything about ways to contribute to Fedora. You can also Digg the news about Sponsored Media. There is an article about Sponsored Media [4] already on Digg.com and could use some diggs to bring it out of obscurity. If you're not familiar with Digg.com, it's a system by which the community at large decides what's news and what's not. [1] http://www.redhat.com/fedora/ [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/FC5DVD/May [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia [4] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Donations_to_the_Fedora_Project_-_Sorta -- Karlie Robinson Owner, Webpath Technologies On the Web at: http://webpath.net http://on-disk.com http://portal.on-disk.com

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Photos
by Thijs H 23 May '06

23 May '06

http://www.ringo.com/i.html?i=146994684x176107&homeEmail=fedora-marketing-l… Block invitations from Thijs: http://www.ringo.com/friends/invite/block.html?memberId=146994684&email=fed… Block all invitations: http://www.ringo.com/friends/invite/block.html?email=fedora-marketing-list%…

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Re: Logo guidelines status
by chasd 19 May '06

19 May '06

> I still wonder why a proprietary font was used for the > logo of a project like Fedora What font is used in a logo really does not impact the choice of other fonts used in a layout that includes that logo. In fact, it is my opinion that using a font in a layout that is the _same_ as the font used in a logo included in the layout dilutes the impact of the logo. These other fonts certainly could be fonts that are free to use. In other words, why would you want to use the font from the logo anywhere else in a design ? I would think the Fedora Project would want to control what other fonts are used in any layouts or graphics, so a consistent image is presented at all times. Is there any work being done on an identity style guide for the Fedora Project ? If you are not sure what I am talking about, Google "identity guide" and take a look how other organizations document best practices on the use of their logos, and creating documents or layouts to present a consistent visual identity. > Fortunately, we have big images with the logo and is trivial to trace > them (Inkscape, potrace, autotrace, etc.) and obtain a version in > vector > format, at least this is what i did for my own use Most organizations prefer to keep the reproduction quality of the graphics used in their visual identity at a high level. Re-processing ( as the above quote suggests ) or modifying original graphics can lead to poor quality graphics, which can translate into a poor identity, or a negative reaction to the graphics. That is generally accepted as a Bad Thing. Most organizations that go through the effort to develop a logo or other visual identity also make the effort to make sure every use of their logo is up to a certain standard. I have heard the term "logo cop" used for individuals with that responsibility. Using a poor quality Fedora logo could hurt the Project more than it would help promote it, if that poor quality logo degrades the visual identity of the Project. It is unfortunate that the usage guidelines have not considered all possible usage cases, and that has caused delays in the ability for some to use the logo. With visual identity, you only have the first shot at making a good impression. Protecting the visual identity of the Fedora Project is nearly as important as protecting your personal identity, so I understand the care that must be taken here. Charles Dostale System Admin - Silver Oaks Communications http://www.silveroaks.com/ 824 17th Street, Moline IL 61265

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Re: Logo guidelines status
by chasd 19 May '06

19 May '06

>> In other words, why would you want to use the font from the logo >> anywhere else in a design ? > Not the font, but the logo itself, the way I see it they are actually > two logos: The bubbling f with enclosed within the infinity symbol, and > the word "fedora" written with the font (for identity), so you have a > text logo and an image logo. The way I see it, the logo is the combination of the the two parts you mention. But it doesn't matter what I think or what you think, it matters how "the logo" is defined as in the usage guide. Which is why the usage guide is important. What constitutes the logo and how it is used becomes not a personal decision on a case by case basis, but a uniform policy. Sign me Spaleta-style, Charles "I used to be a designer, but I lost my tools" Dostale

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Fedora Education
by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira 18 May '06

18 May '06

Hi People!!! In Brazil we are creating a project education with different focus. We are making a survey of the available educational tools and Its applications. Objective: 1- create one fedora based livecd to promote the inclusion digital in Brazil. 2 - create one fedora based livecd for cientific use. -- +================================================+ RODRIGO PADULA DE OLIVEIRA (o- MESTRANDO EM ENGENHARIA DE SISTEMAS //\ LINHA DE PESQUISA: BANCO DE DADOS V_/_ COPPE/UFRJ PostgreSQL - PHP - WML - Linux +================================================+ Embaixador do Fedora Core no Brasil http://www.projetofedora.org

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Logo guidelines status.
by Gain Paolo Mureddu 18 May '06

18 May '06

It's been a couple times now that I have sent a request for the Logo just like what the "current" guidelines indicate, and have never got back the said e-mail with either further instructions, questions or a direct rejection, only silence... And i can't help but wonder, what's the status of the Fedora Logo guidelines and terms of use, since the Wiki simply is not very informative. Any news about it? I'd really like to use vector versions of the images instead of plainly copying the pixmaps off the site, but apparently that ain't going to happen (not to me, at least). In any case, I'm hoping to be able to work on some DVD case covers and a manual I am working on (which I would like it to feature the logo)... Is there a place where I could obtain a copy of the logo (just the bubble+f+infinite) in SVG format? And another question I had been having was about the whole issue with the font, has the font been released as Open and Free yet? I would have expected to find it bundled with Core 5, but it did not come, so I assume that by the time Core 5 got leaked, the font wasn't yet released... *rant to self* I still wonder why a proprietary font was used for the logo of a project like Fedora *sigh* (sorry, had to get that out of my chest).

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fedora on Orkut
by Tejas Dinkar 15 May '06

15 May '06

PS, if anyone needs an Orkut Invite, just ask me via email. Tejas

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Orkut Invitation
by Anand Capur 14 May '06

14 May '06

On 5/14/06, fedora-marketing-list-request(a)redhat.com < fedora-marketing-list-request(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > Send Fedora-marketing-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-marketing-list-request(a)redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-marketing-list-owner(a)redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-marketing-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. fedora on Orkut (Tejas Dinkar) > 2. fedora on Orkut (Tejas Dinkar) > 3. Re: fedora on Orkut (Irving Bennett) > 4. Re: fedora on Orkut (Francesco Ugolini) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com> > To: Fedora Marketing <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:46:15 +0530 > Subject: fedora on Orkut > For some incomprehensible reason, The Fedora Community on Orkut is > pretty big, and there are many people who choose to ask their Fedora > Related doubts in the Orkut community, rather than on Fedora Forum or in > the IRC channel. > > http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=1388 > > Anyone have any interesting views on this? > > Like how we can reach more people via Orkut? > > Gja > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com> > To: Fedora Marketing <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:49:07 +0530 > Subject: fedora on Orkut > PS, if anyone needs an Orkut Invite, just ask me via email. > > Tejas > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Irving Bennett" <irving(a)alairelibre.net> > To: "Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base" < > fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:58:22 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: fedora on Orkut > > PS, if anyone needs an Orkut Invite, just ask me via email. > > > > Tejas > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > Hello Tejas, > > Thanks for offering an Orkut invite. I will take one if you would be so > kind. > > Best regards, > > Irving > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedora.redhat.com> > To: Discussions on expanding the Fedora user base < > fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:09:46 +0200 > Subject: Re: fedora on Orkut > Me too. > > Il giorno 14/mag/06, alle ore 14:58, Irving Bennett ha scritto: > > >> PS, if anyone needs an Orkut Invite, just ask me via email. > >> > >> Tejas > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > >> Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > >> > > Hello Tejas, > > > > Thanks for offering an Orkut invite. I will take one if you would > > be so kind. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Irving > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > Could you please e-mail me one.(orkut invitation) anandcomputerphreak(a)gmail.com -- Anand Capur Arcnetworks -------------------- I'm an Ambassador for the Fedora Project! Fedora Core 5. The New Generation In Linux! Get it now @ http://fedoraproject.org/ -------------------- Firefox - Safer, Faster, Better http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=39064&t=1 --------------------

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fedora on Orkut
by Tejas Dinkar 14 May '06

14 May '06

For some incomprehensible reason, The Fedora Community on Orkut is pretty big, and there are many people who choose to ask their Fedora Related doubts in the Orkut community, rather than on Fedora Forum or in the IRC channel. http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=1388 Anyone have any interesting views on this? Like how we can reach more people via Orkut? Gja

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Sporting goods retailer now sporting Linux everywhere
by Rahul Sundaram 07 May '06

07 May '06

Hi Just about every Backcountry.com employee is running Fedora Linux on the desktop -- 50 workstations in the warehouse and 60 in the call center. "We have a policy that any machine replaced doesn't get Windows put back on it," Jenkins says. "It's Linux migration by attrition." Jenkins manages support for an inconsistent mix of desktop operating systems by utilizing the vast skills of his IT staff, who are well-versed in both Windows and Linux environments. The transition has been invisible to the users, he says, because all the server and desktop applications are accessed via a browser. "As long as I can get a browser window we're good to go." http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/1959240 Rahul

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Two like people with different results
by Volker Rupprecht 04 May '06

04 May '06

Hi marketing expert or marketing interested person! Two People Pay for 1000 Visitors to their Website. One Gets 564 *new* subscribers, The Other Only Gets 194. Which One Are You? If you're more like the second guy, don't worry because there's no time like the present to change things around. Two marketing warriors are going to give you their secrets to being like the first guy, BUT there IS a catch... You'll have to join a "secretive" club first... ==> http://www.marketersdeathmatch.com/?aff=9043 I'll see you inside. Best regards, Volker P.S. The best part of joining our "elite" club is you can Get Paid Cold Hard Cash while you build your own business. Check it out and let me know what you think, okay? ==> http://www.marketersdeathmatch.com/?aff=9043 --- MAF Anti-Spam ID: 20060217131046E9f4PiF5

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Re: Turning off Paid Adverts for Sponsored Media
by Karlie Robinson 03 May '06

03 May '06

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The Increasing Importance of Community
by Max Spevack 02 May '06

02 May '06

A reasonably interesting read -- a bit fanboyish toward Ubuntu in places, but here is one part that jumped out at me regarding Fedora: "It is evident that with a strong community behind these distributions, they can indeed become better in terms of engineering and adoption. Fedora is a classic example of this - as it has become more and more community driven, the quality has grown further and further. It is now a very impressive distribution and one that has a comprehensive backbone of developers, documentation writers, translators and users." http://oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/9330 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/01/110203 Continuing to build a strong community around Fedora is one of the most important things that we can do. We've made good progress in the last few months. Gotta keep the momentum going. -- Max Spevack + http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/ + gpg key -- http://people.redhat.com/mspevack/mspevack.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21

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