August 2007 - [MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing

Deskftop Faceoff: Fedora vs. Vista
by Davidson Rodrigues Paulo 16 Aug '07

16 Aug '07

Hi all, Here an interesting article published on EarthWeb.com comparing Vista and Fedora, with favorable comments to Fedora features. "(..) Fedora 7 adds a veneer to the GNU/Linux desktop that provides much of the ease of use of a Windows operating system, but beneath it, the traditional Unix concerns for security and for users doing things their own way remains. While users can ignore these concerns, especially when just starting out, as they become more experienced they may welcome the added control. Fedora and its default GNOME desktop may still have a few lessons to learn from Vista, particularly in the selection of administration tools. Yet in terms of almost everything that's important to users, Fedora and GNOME have overtaken Vista and are rapidly pulling away from it. As the addition of the side panel shows, it is Windows that is starting to learn from GNU/Linux. The days when the situation was the other way around are over." Complete history: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/11070_3694206_1 Regards, -- Davidson Paulo Linux System Administrator LPI Level 1 Certified: LPI000132770 Fedora Amabassador/Brazil BrOffice.org Users Group national leader BrOffice.org Zine editor http://medwiki.sourceforge.net/ http://natpack.sourceforge.net/

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Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 38, Issue 18
by Markus McLaughlin 15 Aug '07

15 Aug '07

I have CentOS 5 Live CD, it's great to have when Fedora crashes, which it does once in a while. I hope the Global Desktop will be RHEL 5 lite so the rest of us can move up to it eventually. I am very curious about Fedora 8, I hope there will be some more "eye candy," and more features thanks to KDE 4 and GNOME 2.20. Esp. since catching up to Vista means optional Sidebars and Mac-Like Docks. The one wish I like to see granted in F 8 and beyond is a Expanded Start Menu similar to XP/Vista, this would be useful for inexperienced users who don't know much about the Command Line. I will be on vacation next week, so I will be posting on my blog from Sweden for 2 weeks, Farewell Fedora Fans for now!!! Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com

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Virgin America moves from Fedora to Red Hat Enterprise Linux
by Christopher Aillon 15 Aug '07

15 Aug '07

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070815/20070815005031.html?.v=1 I thought I'd send this along because while they are moving to RHEL, it's still in the same family, and they highly tout Fedora as well.

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Fedora 7 at Linux+
by Rodrigo Padula 15 Aug '07

15 Aug '07

Fedora 7 at Linux Plus Magazine http://www.lpmagazine.org Briefly at English Version with Brazilian Ambassadors articles http://www.lpmagazine.org/en/linuxplus.html Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira

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Installing Fedora - a video tour
by Rahul Sundaram 14 Aug '07

14 Aug '07

Hi Linux.com videos (with voice over) in ogg and flash formats under creative commons attribute sharelike non commercial license. Potentially useful for tech shows http://www.linux.com/feature/117384 "Ready to try Linux but want some hand-holding when you do? Here are three videos that walk you through the process of installing Fedora GNU/Linux." Rahul

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Create a Fedora Teaser?
by Dimitris Glezos 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

I just stumbled upon the following video, presenting the ELive distribution (prominently placed on their front page): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCJ8QDfA95U Even if it's just eye candy and doesn't show anything that actually makes a distro "a distro", it probably leaves everyone with a "wow" feeling, wanting to try it out. Something like the compiz/foo desktop effects, which even though they are just eye candy, they *did* bring a lot of people to linux. I'm wondering if there there is anyone that could produce such a video for Fedora. Maybe the RH video team could help out in the production or something? Just wondering if we could also have a piece of that "wow" cake. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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[Fwd: [foss.in] FOSS.IN/2007: Event Announcement]
by Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay 13 Aug '07

13 Aug '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [foss.in] FOSS.IN/2007: Event Announcement Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:44:07 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis <listadmin(a)linux-bangalore.org> Reply-To: foss-in(a)yahoogroups.com To: FOSS.IN <foss-in(a)yahoogroups.com> Dear all, It's that time of the year again, when we reveal details about this year's FOSS.IN. FOSS.IN/2007 will be held from December 4th to December 8th. That's Tuesday through Saturday. The venue will be (for the most part) the National Science Symposium Centre (NSSC) of the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. As always, there are plenty of changes, improvements and new things at the event. The event itself is in two major parts: - - The Main Conference, which is on December 6/7/8 (Thu/Fri/Sat) - - "Project Days", which are on December 4/5 (Tue/Wed) The formats of each of these are very different from each other, but both are integral parts of the event. Both will take place at the main venue. THE MAIN CONFERENCE The Main Conference (Dec 6/7/8) is similar to the format of the event in previous years, with some dramatic differences: No Tracks: Unlike in previous years, the main conference will not have tracks. Each session will be self-contained. While talks will still be classified according to the broad topic, they will not all be concentrated in one hall. This will encourage movement between halls and getting exposed to a wider variety of topics. Talk slots: Each slot will be 90 minutes instead of the usual 60 minutes. However, this does not mean that talks will be that long - each talk will be about 45 minutes talk time, and about 30 minutes discussion time. And there is a 15 minute buffer between talk slots to allow audiences (and speakers) to move between halls, grab a coffee or a snack, etc. In addition, the main conference will only use the 750, 120, and 90 seater halls. The 250 seater is still being considered - we will use it only if the number of high-quality talks selected exceeds our capacity. The 60 seater hall will not be used for talks (we have other plans for it). Talk Depth: The Main Conference will differentiate itself from previous years in the way talks are selected. Most of the talks will be by recognised experts in their fields. Because our Talk Slot format dramatically reduces the number of talks from previous years, we can afford to be choosy. And we will be. While we will still have a formal Call for Participation (CfP) for all talks, many talks will be invited, and others will be brutally scrutinised for depth, context and value to audiences. Talk Feedback System: In addition, we are introducing a talk rating/feedback system that will allow people to comment on and rate talks online after the talk completes. The feedback system will be moderated and authenticated (you know, to prevent our friends selling body-part enhancements from turning this into a market place :), but the comments will be public and permanent. This will achieve two things: - - The feedbacks for each talk will act as a reference for the speakers, if they need to prove their bonafides as speakers, they simply have to point at the FOSS.IN site where information about the talk and the feedback from the audiences will be recorded. - - This will encourage speakers to be far better prepared than some have been in the past. A last-minute preparation speaker is almost certainly going to get bad feedback, so the tag "was a speaker at FOSS.IN" can work against the speaker if s/he wasn't prepared, but work wonders for those speakers who do prepare, deliver an in-depth talk and who interacts with the audience. Feedback will be on a per-talk basis, not per-speaker, but multiple-talks per speaker will be an exception anyway - you'd have to be a superstar to achieve that. :) Focus: Both the Main conference and Project Days (described below) will focus on development and contribution to FOSS Projects. General talks will be limited to a few, and in general the nature/background of the speaker will decide whether the talk will be selected. As it was last year, advocacy and basic introductory talks will not be accepted. This is to avoid the "preaching to the choir" problem, as well as avoid duplicating the efforts of other FOSS events in India. PROJECT DAYS: Project Days (Dec 4/5) are new to FOSS.IN. Loosely based on the mini-conferences made popular by events such as Linux.conf.au (LCA), these will be an implementation of the "topics" idea proposed in 2005. Project Days will be full day sessions on a single topic, and the topic will be a specific FOSS project. Led by project leaders/contributors, the sessions will expose audiences to the current stateand future plans of the project, and show where and how people can get involved. Workshops are encouraged to be part of such sessions. The number of projects will be limited. As the 750 seater hall will not be used for Project Days sessions, sessions will take place in the 60/90/120 and 250 seater halls. That means there can be (2 days x 4 halls)=8 Project Days Sessions. To makeit clear what we are looking at, here are some examples of Project Day Sessions: KDE, Gnome, Fedora, Ubuntu/Debian, OpenOffice, IndLinux, etc. Here are examples of topics that are NOT eligible for a Project Days Session: Web Development, Developing in PHP/Python/Perl/Ruby, System Administration, etc. If look closely, will that we are targeting contribution to the project, not deployment of the project. For example, "Developing Python" is a good topic, "Developing with Python" is not. Talk slots: Talk slots will be 1 hour in length, with no more than 45 minutes talk time. This works because unlike the Main conference, all talks related to the topic are in the same hall. However, actual distribution of talks will be decided by both Team FOSS.IN and the Session organizers. Since there will also be workshops involved, things have to be a bit more flexible. Talk/Workshop selection: The actual Project Day sessions will be decided over the next two weeks. First, discuss on the mailing list, identify topics, scope of topics and who possible speakers could be. Next, formal Project Days Session Proposals have to be made. These proposals will be evaluated for completeness, scope, context and other factors, very similar to the way talks will be selected for the Main Conference. The 8 sessions will then be selected, session organizers appointed and sessions will be announced, and the CfP will open. People will now be able to submit talk proposals, choosing either the Main Conference or one of the Project Day sessions. OTHER FEATURES: The FOSS.IN HackCenter: The Hack Center is a new addition to FOSS.IN this year. It is a large area which will be open throughout the conference duration, from 9:00am to 7:00pm, where people can get together to work on FOSS projects. The Center will be provided with PCs, power, switched networks and internet connectivity, tables and chairs. Rules There are a few rules that are expected to be followed: 1. This is not a download or surfing centre. People are not expected to settle in and use the bandwidth to download stuff from the net. The area is provided for people to get together to work on FOSS projects. 2. PCs provided will be few. In general, there will be one PC per group - people are encouraged to bring their own laptops. 3. This is not a general community assembly hall. People are requested to only use this hall for actual development work, not for general sit-downs and discussions. For discussions, BoF tents are provided. BoFs: Birds-of-a-feather sessions will happen throughout the main conference, in semi-open tents equipped with wireless LAN, power and whiteboards. PARTY(a)FOSS.IN: New to FOSS.IN is a social evening on Friday, the 7th of December. The party will take place at an off-site location, close to the event venue (actual venue will be announced close to the event). This party is open to all participants of FOSS.IN - speakers, delegates, exhibitors, sponsors and of course volunteers. There will be a nominal cover charge that will be paid by people wishing to attend the party, and it is optional - only people who wish to attend will have to pay. Exhibition: As every year, there will be an exhibition of commercial and non-commercial, FOSS-related products. Details will appear on the website. COSTS: As every year, we are restricting costs to cover only direct expenses on delegates. Because of the multi-part nature of the conference, conference fees will be as follows: 1. Main Conference only : Rs.500 2. Project Days only : Rs.300 3. Main Conference + Project Days: Rs.750 4. Optional Party(a)FOSS.IN: TBA Conditions: Conference Swag (like last year's mug, T-shorts, etc.) is only for people attending the main conference. All packages include Lunch, tea/coffee and snacks for each day. Corporate Support Package: In addition, there is an optional "Corporate Support" package, to help companies support the event. This package is identical package 3 above (Main Conference + Project Days), at Rs.3000 per head. This package is optional and meant for organizations who wish to help support the event. Attendance of the Party(a)FOSS.IN is included in the package, as well as all other benefits. In addition, all passes and other materials will be sent to the organization before the event, so that such sponsored attendees will not have to stand in the queue to register at the conference. Additional funds raised this way will go towards additional facilities for delegates, subsidising the party, etc. Travel Assistance: As usual, we have a limited budget for aiding selected speakers to travel to Bangalore. Speakers are requested to first attempt to get sponsorship from other sources before asking for Travel Assistance. All speakers at the event (Main Conference or Project days) get complimentary passes to the event, and other speaker-specific goodies. WEBSITE: The website for the event will open in the next 24 hours. It will not contain all details yet - this will improve as we pin down various things, and as feedback and suggestions come in on the mailing list. You are best served by adding http://foss.in/rss to your newsreader of choice to keep track of changes on the website, and of course to subscribe to the FOSS.IN mailing list. This note does not cover a lot of details, so feel free to start asking questions, discussing things, making suggestions, etc. Note that not every suggestion can be implemented, so don't take it personal if we have to reject one. Also note that FOSS.IN is one of four international FOSS events (the others being Linux.Conf.Au, OLS and now Linuxconf.EU), and because of this there are certain things we can do, and some which we cannot. As usual, we ask people to leave the politics at the door, and help make this an enjoyable event for everyone. A lot of hard work has gone into this event already, and a lot more will happen in the months leading up to it. For now, the best way to help is to spread the word (buttons, banners, etc. will be on the website, as will be PDF brochures, posters, etc.), and to discuss on the FOSS.IN mailing list. Please remember - this is an to get people get involved in FOSS development and contribution. Our primary objective is to get more Indians involved, and to get them to interact with people from all over the world. Expect a lot more news from us as time goes by. Tons of stuff up our sleeves. :) Cheerio! Atul - -- Atul Chitnis Project Lead FOSS.IN http://foss.in - -- The List Rules : http://foss.in/list-rules The Event Site : http://foss.in The Event Planet : http://planet.foss.in The Event Channel : #foss.in on irc.freenode.net The Event List : http://foss.in/list - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGtqP7XQZpNTcrCzMRAkLMAJ9dWzHMx2K5wt3Xi79wZYlEO9bjRACgpdSm ImmqWuXYWoWp+qUayAS43mY= =aLz5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora Project Sign for GITEX Demo Pod
by John Babich 12 Aug '07

12 Aug '07

I need immediate feedback for the GITEX Demo Pod sign which Red Hat is generously providing. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/GitexExampleSign for the example provided by Red Hat. Here is my attempt: <Sign> <FEDORA PROJECT LOGO> <RED HAT> The Fedora Project A Collection of Projects Sponsored by Red Hat and Developed as a Partnership between the Open Source Community and Red Hat Engineers * Produces Fedora 7, a Leading-edge Linux Distribution with a Graphical Installer, Advanced Desktop, Security and Administration Tools. * Provides Base Software for Red Hat Enterprise Linux and One Laptop Per Child. * Hosts the Fedora Localization Project, for Translating and Adapting Applications, Documentation and Websites to Specific Languages, Regions and Cultures * Develops Revisor, a Free Tool for Producing Custom Live CDs and USB Sticks. http://fedoraproject.org </Sign> Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project

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Re: thinking about the Fedora brand (WARNING: this is for you)
by John Babich 12 Aug '07

12 Aug '07

Karsten: First of all, sorry if I'm posting to the wrong list. As part of our preparation for GITEX, I have had to think about two things recently: 1. Fedora's branding, and 2. Fedora's identity I viewed the excellent presentation (yes, I pressed F5). Here are some conclusions I drew from the slideshow: ONE: BRANDING Here is the crux of the matter: In a commercial context, this is the definition of BRANDING: The main purpose of branding is to get MORE people to buy MORE stuff for MORE years at a HIGHER price. This definition doesn't make sense for a FLOSS community distribution. This definition makes more sense in the Fedora Project context: The main purpose of branding is to get MORE people to produce AND consume MORE FLOSS for MORE years at a HIGHER rate. To further clarify, a strong Fedora brand will communicate the "Trust = Reliability and Delight" formula: Fedora: the Linux distro you can depend on (and more fun, too!) Reliability = Quality and dependability Delight = Cool technology with great design and the enjoyable gut feeling of "scratching the user's itch" TWO: IDENTITY As pointed out in the presentation, "Identity is not a logo". At the same time, we don't want to confuse people by mixing the Fedora and Red Hat logos together. I'm glad Fedora is sponsored by Red Hat. I also appreciate the need for Fedora to have its own identity. This goes beyond legal issues like trademarks to providing quality and reliability. I say the Fedora identity is the experience of being part of the Fedora Project community. The Fedora Project, warts and all, is a quality open source community that produces a quality distro. That's the differentiator. CONCLUSION The purpose of the Fedora Project is to produce and sustain a leading-edge linux distribution with excellent developer and user community support. That's what Fedora offers and sets Fedora apart. >From a 10-year linux user and 1-year Fedora Project member, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project

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Red Hat And Its Fedora 8 Friends
by Rahul Sundaram 10 Aug '07

10 Aug '07

Hi If you haven't heard of DBus activation yet, read up on it. http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3693511 When it comes to expanding the core feature set of Fedora, though, Fedora 8 has a lot to offer. Aboutboul explained that a new dbus service launch service will aim to cut down boot time by minimizing the number of services that start when a machine powers up. On the identity side, Fedora 8 will include something called freeIPA (Identity, Policy, Audit), which is intended to be an easy way for system administrators to install, setup and administer centralized identity management and authentication. Rahul

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Acer to release Ubuntu Linux laptops
by Marc Wiriadisastra 10 Aug '07

10 Aug '07

Interesting and disappointing that both Dell and Acer release Ubuntu laptops. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41336 I would have hoped Fedora would get more of a look in. Cheers, Marc

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linuxglobe media disc proposal
by Markus McLaughlin 09 Aug '07

09 Aug '07

linuxglobe media disc proposal I would like a list of applications that a media professional would use on Fedora, I know of some, but I like recommendations because I plan to make my own Spin in CD format that not only has those applications but themes inspired from my site, linuxglobe.wordpress.com. I want to spread the word about Fedora and this Spin might be a great way to do so! Please send a list of recommended applications to my linux blog, the winner will get the first download of the spin. I am excited about what my blog and I hope the eventual national magazine I hope to have published in a year or two. By the time Fedora 9 comes out, I hope linuxglobe WILL be a magazine that is sold in every major store in the country that sells magazines! :D Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com

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Smolt profiles distro hardware use
by Rahul Sundaram 09 Aug '07

09 Aug '07

Hi Novell has agreed to package Smolt and make it available in their repository for their next release, 10.3 though they aren't using it in their installer. Still in discussions with Mandriva. If you have contacts in other distributions, you can drop them a mail about Smolt and CC me in the discussions. http://www.linux.com/feature/118322 "When Fedora 7 was released, one of its standout features was Smolt, an opt-in program for collecting data about users' hardware. Since then, Smolt has provided a publicly available snapshot of systems running Fedora, and is in the process of being ported to other distributions. With features being rapidly added, Smolt has the potential to offer an unprecedented wealth of information, and to aid in quality assurance, tech support, and advocacy, not only for Fedora, but for GNU/Linux in general." Rahul

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LinuxLinks Fedora 7 Review
by Thomas Chung 09 Aug '07

09 Aug '07

http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/2007072317404089/Fedora_7_Review_Page_1.h… "Fedora 7 has seen the word "Core" trimmed from it's name. This reflects just one of several changes internally to the project. With the first ever inclusion of tools to create your own version of Fedora, Fedora 7 really reaches out to the community, quite literally. If you don't like it, then by all means change it to be the way you want. The Fedora Project has given you the power. To date this is the most successful release of Fedora in my opinion. " -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung

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Fedora 7: Community remix
by Rahul Sundaram 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

Hi There are folks frequently asking, can I setup a wiki the way Fedora does it? If you are trying to build a community and want to leverage the same tools and infrastructure Fedora does, this article is for you. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/07/fedora-7-community-remix/#more-296 "One of the popular features of Fedora 7 is the ability to remix Fedora and build your own custom version. Now don’t get me wrong–building a new distribution is nice. But what about those who wish to create their own Fedora-based project? How do you grow a complete community in an enterprise environment or in the general public? Thanks to some of the lesser-known features, anyone can use the exact same tools that make Fedora, well… Fedora." Rahul

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How to compete against Ubuntu
by Markus McLaughlin 08 Aug '07

08 Aug '07

How to take on Ubuntu - Idea #1 If each of us chip in on a small AD in the New York Times, The Boston Globe, and The Washington Post, with the Line : "What can Fedora do for you? http://fedoraproject.org" in blue bryant2 font lettering, more and more regular folks and frustrated Windoze Users will go there and find out how to download it. Also, where to purchase a Live CD or Installation DVD is also posted. It is very important to get MORE exposure so Ubuntu will want to compete on that level too. Save Our Fedora From Ubuntu!!! Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com

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Fedora 7 does Creative Commons
by Rahul Sundaram 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hi Remixed content on a remixed Live cd. Note that the live cd is available at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents//ccLiveContent-1.0-i386.torrent If you are interest in open and remixed content, try and let us know your feedback. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41503 "Fedora 7 is a community based collaboration which, boasts a modest press release, "provides the best of next-generation open source technologies". The latest edition comes packing a build capacity which lets spods cook up their own programs or what have you." Rahul

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Re: Fedora's mid-life crisis -- YUM v. APT v. SmartPM
by Bryan Smith 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Paolo Mureddu, Gian wrote: > Thinking of Fedora and Debian as black and white (not necessarily > respectively), anything in between would be the "gray area". This is going to be my last comment on this subject. To start ... I tend to not try to use abstract terms and stick with tangeable ones. E.g., as an electrical engineer, I know anyone who uses the term "renewable energies" doesn't have the faintest ideal about them. Same deal here, I don't like to use shades of the spectrum. I think Debian and Fedora come down to their simple realities. They are established, proven, well-regarded (among long-time Linux consultants, sysadmins, etc...) with a steady stream of contributors, solutions providers, etc... and a lot of the reason is the release model. Red Hat Linux 4.0 through Fedora 7 is 20 releases, all done very similarly. Rawhide through Beta/Test on to the 6 month typical cycle (sometimes 5, a few 7 and even 8 months) for a full decade now. And that includes the 3rd or so release after 18 months being the "trailing edge" and well trusted and standardized on. And when companies showed they were willing to pay for 5+ years of support by buying SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) as a "separate product," Red Hat dropped its SLA model after Red Hat Linux 6.2 "E" and we got a separate product. But the community, development, package test (Rawhide/Devel), integration/regression test (Beta/Test) is unchanged. It has been, and only continues to be increasingly, community-based and driven, with strategic direction and objectives focused on the 18 month, stable release. It's easy for one to say "community focused" and its highly subjective. Something has to drive that and, as we saw with one too many Red Hat and Debian off-shoots, defining that long-term is a real issue. A lot of these off-shoots leverage the testing of Debian/Red Hat to start. But by the 4th or so release, they've forked so much they lose that leverage and find themselves in the realm of their own integration and regression testing. That's not "fun" stuff in the traditional engineering lifecycle. And it only gets worse. Software built (ABI) or even written (API) for older releases no longer run on newer releases, there are compatibility and upgrade issues too. Repositories quickly become "dumping grounds" and that's when it hits. The distro, correctly, tries to enforce some basic release controls. And guess what? That's when the "newness" wears off and they aren't "fun" anymore. And those contributors go "they are as 'bad' as Debian/Fedora now." Debian and Fedora aren't "new" and a lot of new maintainers balk at things, necessary evils of the traditional engineering lifecycle. One of the reasons I haven't attempted to submit my own packages or become a maintainer is because I know what repsonsibility comes with that. And if that is what others have a "problem" with Debian and Fedora (and trust me, I'm a "lurker" on many lists and I see it a lot), then we either need to "key them in" on those realities, or let them be. If they are the latter, they will get tired of Ubuntu soon, especially as more and more of the Conical criticisms take hold like those not so different from what we see of and towards Red Hat. Especially when Conical starts to "clamp down" on the "run-away" development. I've seen a lot of complainers of 7.04 from 6.06, and that's just the start. I like Xubuntu and have no problem with Ubuntu, but I think too many people are spewing the same things I've seen out of many other Debian and Red Hat / Fedora forks over the years, and those same people come back to criticize the same "new" distros they loved. The contributors and maintainers that are long-term stays are those that appreciate the processes and relase model, with all their overhead, that go into Debian and Fedora. Or they seek not to fork, but to stay aligned as closely as possible because they are fully aware of the testing load when you do not. Heck, a quick trip to the CentOS list will let you see a lot of people screaming for forks and packages, or "new features." I stupidly tried to explain things a few times on there, and only "the old dogs" seemed to know what I was talking about. Anyhoo, with that all said, people who want Apt or Smart or Foo Package Ultra-Better 3000 to be the default need to get involved. That means taking on the Anaconda integration, RHN integration, various, existing Python libraries and facilities to "drop them in," etc... People complain about the types of responses in feature requests. If you don't like the responses, contribute and prove them wrong! :) Last post on this, promise. :) -- Bryan J Smith - mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Fedora 7 Chosen as LiveContent CD Platform
by Rahul Sundaram 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hi http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2c1895%2c2167675%2c00.asp "The Fedora 7 Linux distribution has been chosen as the platform for the Creative Commons LiveContent CD, an initiative to showcase free, open-source software and Creative Commons-licensed multimedia content" "Fedora 7, which is the result of community-based open-source collaboration, has a new build capacity that allows for the creation of custom distributions and individual appliances." Rahul

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Fedora's mid-life crisis
by Rahul Sundaram 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hi This might lead to interesting changes in the project. Watch out! http://lwn.net/Articles/242965 "The Fedora project has a solid base to build on and an increasingly open community process to help it get to where it wants to be. With the right focus on an interesting set of goals, Fedora could surprise the world. This distribution should have no trouble proving that it's not over the hill yet." Rahul

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Fedora and Creative Commons Team Up To Deliver LiveContent Distribution
by Rahul Sundaram 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hi We are continuing to see increasing uptake of many people who are using the new open build tools in Fedora 7 to create custom spins. Creative Commons initiative (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Livecontent) will give a more tangible benefit of Fedora's backing of open content. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070806/20070806005060.html?.v=1 "Fedora 7 features a completely open source build process that greatly simplifies the creation of appliances," said Jack Aboutboul, community engineer for Fedora at Red Hat. "We encourage Fedora 7 users to create custom distributions that fit their individual needs and are excited that Creative Commons is making use of this capability within Fedora 7 to enable the liberation of content and provide free licensed software to all Rahul

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Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 38, Issue 7
by Markus McLaughlin 05 Aug '07

05 Aug '07

I am only trying to help Fedora become the OS that Ubuntu hasn't been able to live up to. Ubuntu has so much going for it, Fedora is only now catching up but it needs to be more known. What I hope to do with linuxglobe, is to promote Fedora and the other Linux OSes out there that aren't related to Ubuntu. If anyone would like to write a column about Fedora, please contact me at hudsonman35(a)gmail.com... Thanks and I'm looking forward to try out Fedora 8 Test 2 Live CD.... Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com

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Legal Codecs Needed
by Markus McLaughlin 05 Aug '07

05 Aug '07

What makes Windows/MAC more successful is they encourage third party developers to sell legal plug-ins/codecs allowing MP3, DVD, HD-DVD to be played. Fedora, Ubuntu, and the other major Linux Distributions lack this so illegal means are common. It is time for third party developers to sell codecs for the major Linux distributions thus ending the illegal route. Also, the ogg theora codec isn't ready for prime time yet, I hope it will be fully able for Fedora 8 and beyond. There also should be a GNOME app that encodes DV to OGG. I wish there was an OGG codec equivalent of Flash for web sites, that would be very ideal... Mark McLaughlin - linuxglobe.wordpress.com

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Bradley Kuhn and Max Spevack to keynote at Ohio LinuxFest
by Rahul Sundaram 03 Aug '07

03 Aug '07

Hi Get going Max. Spread the good word of Fedora. Will there be any recordings? http://lwn.net/Articles/244255/ "Columbus, Ohio -- 2007 has been an exemplary year for software freedom, which makes the keynote speakers selected for Ohio LinuxFest 2007 particularly fitting. The Ohio LinuxFest organizers are proud to announce that Max Spevack and Bradley Kuhn will be keynoting this year. Spevack is the Fedora Project Leader, responsible for chairing the Fedora Project Board, managing Fedora's relationship with Red Hat and day to day operations of the Fedora project, as well as development and execution of Fedora's overall roadmap. During his tenure, the Fedora Project has released Fedora Core 5 and 6, and Fedora 7 -- which merged Fedora Core and Fedora Extras." Rahul

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Video: Meet the Fedora Ambassadors
by Rahul Sundaram 03 Aug '07

03 Aug '07

Hi Show case of impressive Brazilian team of Fedora Ambassadors. One of the very strong regionals teams. With the Free software in Fedora and in Brazil, this isn't a surprise though. Congrats folks. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/02/video-meet-the-fedora-ambassadors/ Rahul

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