January 2008 - [MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing

Really cool promo flyers
by Valent Turkovic 03 Feb '08

03 Feb '08

I found some really cool promo flayers online and would like to share them with you; http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Freedomofchoice.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Linuxgivesyouthehouse.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Computewithnature.jpg Does fedora have something similar ? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

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FOSDEM ACCOMMODATION DISCOUNT
by Frederic Hornain 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

We have a bunch of hotel rooms left at a preferential rate at the Novotel Grand'Place [1], at 105 EUR / 115 EUR (single/double room, including breakfast) per night (it's 50% off the regular price). We know it's really short notice, and the deadline is *end of this week*, but if you're interested use the PDF form attached to this email and send it directly to the hotel, either by fax or by email (see PDF). About 20-25 rooms are left, first come first served ;) [1]http://www.novotel.com/novotel/fichehotel/gb/nov/1030/fiche_hotel.shtml Kind Regards Frederic Hornain http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open(a)laptop.org

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Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-01-30 Summary
by Karsten Wade 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

This time the summary was superseded by tasks with owners going directly into this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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Fedora Marketing Meeting 2008-01-30 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

HTML log found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080130 11:03 < themayor> is this taking place or what? 11:03 < c_hoke> alright, so it's about time to get going here 11:03 -!- rut1 [n=rsuehle@nat/redhat/x-d7d56d95030bdb55] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:03 < c_hoke> so, just to give everyone a bit of some background 11:03 -!- rut1 is now known as rsuehle 11:03 < c_hoke> in case you weren't on email lsit 11:03 < mdomsch> smooge, feel free to ask on mirror-list for more EPEL mirors 11:03 < c_hoke> we had a meeting in raleigh a few weeks ago about how to organize our efforts on marketing fedora 11:04 < c_hoke> we didn't get very far before deciding to just kick the whole thing out to the community 11:04 < c_hoke> and here we are 11:04 < smooge> mdomsch, thanks will do so 11:04 -!- rharrison [n=rharriso@nat/cisco/x-fbd86a11f39f4355] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 11:04 < smooge> and will let c_hoke have his channel 11:04 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Marketing SIG -- Introduction, agenda 11:04 -!- jopp [n=jopp@nat/redhat/x-92ef216e8cc1cada] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:04 < c_hoke> we have a few ideas and some people whoa re willing to help from our (Red Hat) team 11:05 < c_hoke> but we wanna see what everyone thinks, get an agenda set and kick some ass. 11:05 < quaid> can we get a quick roll call on who is here for this meeting? e.g.: 11:05 * quaid is here 11:05 < c_hoke> yeah who all is here? 11:05 * mthompson is here 11:05 < rsuehle> Ruth 11:05 * Syn-Drome is here 11:05 * spevack 11:05 * iWolf 11:05 * red_alert 11:06 < striker57> striker57 (Chris Negus) is here 11:06 * joadams (john adams, red hat brand manager) is here 11:06 * tfridric is here 11:06 < rmaggior> Ron 11:06 -!- bascha [n=bharris@nat/redhat/x-82d0cdc87293e816] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:06 < c_hoke> elaine? 11:06 < quaid> <== Karsten Wade for those who don't know my nick :) 11:06 < rsuehle> elaine is afk 11:06 < Syn-Drome> ive read your emails :) 11:07 < c_hoke> hey bascha, we're just doing roll-call 11:07 < jopp> jopp 11:07 < rsuehle> bascha now afk too :D 11:08 * quaid puts up current agenda in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting 11:08 < c_hoke> so I guess the first order of business for us is to definitely say we're a SIG 11:09 < c_hoke> and we'll get ourselves listed 11:09 < quaid> looks like enough people to be a SIG to me 11:09 < quaid> a special interest group is the Fedora way of "just doing stuff without too much bureacracy" 11:09 < quaid> if we get big and active enough, we need to add bureaucracy for survivability 11:10 < c_hoke> and so everyone knows, and so I can put him on the spot, joadams is our branding expert and we're happy to have him in here 11:10 * bascha is back. :) 11:10 < c_hoke> he can give us some insight to this whole thing 11:10 < quaid> so .. SIG +1 or -1? 11:10 < c_hoke> +1 11:10 < bascha> +1 11:10 < red_alert> +1 11:10 < joadams> +1 11:10 < striker57> +1 11:10 < spevack> +1 11:10 < Syn-Drome> +1 11:10 < iWolf> +1 11:11 < c_hoke> quaid: I may have you lead us through your agenda that yyou' 11:11 < c_hoke> ve alid out so far and I'll keep track of everyone 11:11 -!- al7qs [n=Doug(a)64.252.70.41] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:11 < quaid> c_hoke: sure, good call 11:11 * quaid is +1 to a SIG as well 11:11 < quaid> if anyone wants to add us to the wiki/SIGs whilst we talk, go ahead ... 11:12 < quaid> so, agenda .. I moved brand to the bottom because that is more of an open ended discussion 11:12 < bascha> (also just a note--seems that /msg isn't working? or is that just us?) 11:12 < quaid> bascha: should work ... 11:12 < bascha> quaid: isn't working for me, rsuehle, or joadams 11:12 < iWolf> I think you need a registered nick? 11:12 < bascha> also jopp 11:12 < rsuehle> oooh iwolf is right 11:12 < bascha> tks, nvm 11:12 < bascha> :P 11:13 < quaid> yes, nick registration is suggested ... 11:13 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e606f00c0fdeb3462b9278f364f5… 11:13 < quaid> useful links are there 11:13 < quaid> we should be able to have an in-channel discussion, though 11:14 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Marketing SIG -- What is the state of Fedora marketing needs? 11:14 < quaid> fwiw, I think we have that somewhat answered with Messaging GUide and Marketing Plan, but what do those mean and why do we need them? 11:14 -!- buggbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Broken pipe] 11:14 -!- bzbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:16 * quaid was hoping we might get a blank/template of a marketing plan for the list to look at ... 11:16 < joadams> i've looked up a couple of different examples and sent them over to c_hoke 11:16 < joadams> good mix of shorter and longer styles 11:16 < c_hoke> I have those and they're in PDF format 11:16 < c_hoke> what's the best way for folks to see them? 11:16 < joadams> we can customize as needed, of course ... just to give an idea 11:17 < mthompson> wiki? 11:17 < c_hoke> joadams: do you have a web page we can link to? 11:17 < joadams> no, i saved them all locally as separate docs ... 11:17 < mthompson> do we have a fedora marketing team wiki? (just curious) 11:18 < joadams> i can try to post to the wiki (if there is an appropriate page, and if someone helps me :) 11:18 < c_hoke> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting 11:18 < c_hoke> I'm assuming we'll use that page for all purposes 11:19 -!- rharrison [n=rharriso@nat/cisco/x-fbd86a11f39f4355] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:19 < quaid> mthompson: fp.org/wiki/Marketing 11:19 < bascha> i can help you with the posting, joadams 11:19 < Syn-Drome> i just want to add something here 11:19 < quaid> alt is to use a fedorapeople.org account if you have problems with the attachments 11:19 < quaid> Syn-Drome: go ahead 11:19 < Syn-Drome> i have a redundant website that i'd be happy to offer up for testing space 11:20 < Syn-Drome> :) 11:20 < quaid> maybe we can take the outline from the PDFs and put that into the wiki 11:21 < joadams> yeah, most follow the same basic format ... level of detail is different 11:21 < c_hoke> I put up a simple one page marketing plan and sent it to the list 11:21 * quaid looks 11:21 < c_hoke> hopefully someone can grab it quickly and throw it up there for now 11:21 < c_hoke> it's VERY basic 11:22 < joadams> the one-pager is by far the most basic 11:22 < c_hoke> but it's the basics 11:22 < c_hoke> who is our audience, what are our strengths 11:22 < c_hoke> where do we want to be seen 11:22 < c_hoke> how do we want to be seen, etc etc 11:22 < c_hoke> what are our weaknesses 11:22 < joadams> the others put more meat on the bones 11:23 < joadams> e.g. articulated mission statement, SWOT analysis, detailed competitive analysis, marketing strategies and budgets ... 11:23 * c_hoke sends out the rest of the pdfs 11:24 < joadams> implementation schedule(s) ... 11:24 < c_hoke> does anyone know right off the top of their head when F9 goes out? 11:24 < quaid> ok, the meatier ones sound better to me 11:24 < Syn-Drome> aril 11:24 < quaid> May Day 11:24 < Syn-Drome> *april 11:24 < spevack> something like april 29th 11:24 < bascha> and spevack for the win... 11:24 < c_hoke> cause ideally we wanna be able to back that as much as possible IMHO 11:24 < quaid> that was where Leigh's March deadline idea came froom 11:25 < spevack> Fedora is released on the Tuesday closest to May Day and the Tuesday closest to Halloween each year 11:25 < Syn-Drome> :D 11:25 < c_hoke> word up spevack 11:25 < red_alert> when is may day? oO 11:26 < rsuehle> may 1 11:26 < red_alert> i c :D 11:26 < c_hoke> Messaging Guide, for those who wanna see what's goin on so far http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide 11:26 < quaid> what is the relationship of a Guide to a Plan? 11:26 < c_hoke> that's ideas from FUDCon 11:26 < c_hoke> joadams? 11:27 < quaid> is one a subset of the other? are they parallel dependencies? 11:27 -!- bzbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Dead socket] 11:27 -!- buggbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:27 < c_hoke> I'd think the plan is a subset of a guide 11:27 < c_hoke> the plan gets more meat and specificity 11:28 < joadams> i'd need to take a look at the messaging guide to answer better. but generally, a plan will be forward-looking, and will bridge the strategic with the tactical. 11:28 < quaid> do those two things include everything that is needed to move ahead with Fedora marketing? 11:29 < joadams> there seems to be an absence of market data 11:29 < c_hoke> yeah that's the bones that we have so far 11:29 < c_hoke> it's not complete by any means 11:29 < quaid> tactical examples == generating press around a release, attracting more contributors, etc. ? 11:29 < c_hoke> we need to lay it out 11:30 < quaid> strategic == why we do what we do, how we do it over the long haul, etc.? 11:30 < c_hoke> and understand how a guide relates to what we do 11:30 < joadams> quaid: exactly. what are the specific marketing vehicles and when do we want to engage them. 11:30 < joadams> strategic would be, what are our major messages? how do we want to be seen? what will our marketing mix look like to communicate those messages? 11:31 < c_hoke> do we want to spend the rest of this meeting discussing who and what Fedora is 11:31 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:31 < c_hoke> and get that set? 11:31 < c_hoke> and decide what our message should be 11:31 < striker57> Yes, and who we want to market to. 11:32 < c_hoke> yes 11:32 < joadams> first: if we were to put a skeleton marketing plan out there, is there a "best practice" way for the community to collaboratively edit / author the document? 11:32 < Syn-Drome> first time linux users. 11:32 -!- spoleeba [n=one@fedora/Jef] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:32 < joadams> (maybe not the entire community, but the SIG?) 11:33 < quaid> as for discussions ... 11:33 < c_hoke> quaid: ideas on what joadams said/ 11:33 < c_hoke> ? 11:33 < quaid> we can, but generally that is what a discussion list (f-marketing-l) is for 11:33 -!- buggbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Dead socket] 11:33 -!- bzbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:33 < quaid> if we want to get stuff done, we'll need to engage on list all the time and use these meetings for updates and decision stuff 11:34 < joadams> got it. one way to tackle it might be to split the plan up into manageable chunks and have a SIG member "champion" its completion. 11:34 < quaid> for example, we can actually volunteer as individuals for the various parts of the Guide and Plan 11:34 < joadams> great minds think alike 11:34 < quaid> then go about the "what goes in there" discussion on list 11:34 < quaid> +1 11:34 < Syn-Drome> +1 11:34 < c_hoke> +1 11:34 < striker57> +1 11:34 < iWolf> +1 11:35 < red_alert> +1 11:35 < c_hoke> Do we want to go ahead and decide what fedora is and what it stands for on-list? 11:35 < c_hoke> and get that out of the way 11:35 < joadams> i'll put the skeleton plan together ... should we volunteer for sections on our next meeting? 11:35 < joadams> or is that waiting to long? 11:35 < c_hoke> we can volunteer for sections on-list 11:36 < red_alert> If the sections are listed in the wiki, just make The people write their names down there 11:37 < quaid> just a note about "what is Fedora" -- once we decide in f-marketing-l, we have to sell it to the rest of Fedora, who all have their own ideas of what Fedora is; that process may take us longer than the F9 release to complete, so it shouldn't be a dependency on tactical work 11:37 < quaid> red_alert +1 11:37 < c_hoke> quaid +1 I was thinking the same thing 11:38 < quaid> joadams: best practice is, put up an outline on the wiki (quick process), tell people about it via the list; Subscribe to watch the page(s) when people edit the wiki 11:38 < c_hoke> I want us to be able to act now and theorize the whole time, but I recognize that theorizing can be looooong 11:38 < quaid> c_hoke: 'zactly 11:38 < joadams> got it. i'll engage you guys to get it online if (when) i need help. 11:39 < quaid> if there is anyone in the RDU office with joadams who can do a quick demo of how to use Moin, that would be great 11:39 < spevack> I think we need to build enough of a consensus on this "what is Fedora" stuff to get work done, and to ensure that we don't revisit it every couple of months repeatedly 11:39 < c_hoke> would a consessus of this SIG be enough for us to get work done? 11:39 < quaid> iterate the process to get consensus, conduct surveys amongst Fedorans as research and results tests, etc. 11:40 < c_hoke> and then push out, change messaging for F10 if needed? 11:41 < joadams> ok, so now we're talking about brand positioning ("what is fedora"). i've got some tools and templates that could help guide that discussion. 11:41 < quaid> well, one open source way to do things is to do it as best as we can, release early and often, and deal with the community criticism on the fly 11:41 * quaid notes in the discussion so far the list of what marketing needs is: i) a plan; ii) a guide; ii) a brand position 11:42 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr@fedora/JSchmitt] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 11:42 < c_hoke> +1 to agree, release, revise 11:43 < red_alert> iv) a leader for the irc meetings 11:43 < c_hoke> red_alert: I've agreed to lead these as best I can, but quaid is helping me out for a while 11:44 < c_hoke> I'm more than happy to lead them, though this is new to me 11:44 < GeroldKa> and sorry also a v) a "value" brand 11:44 < quaid> yeah, and we're almost on the last agenda item, too :) 11:44 < quaid> GeroldKa: can you explain what you mean? 11:45 < GeroldKa> a brand is also as strong as his value 11:45 < GeroldKa> let me try to explain ... 11:45 < c_hoke> spevack: available to help john and me with the wiki? 11:45 < spevack> c_hoke: definitely 11:46 < GeroldKa> if you tell someone SAP, everybody knows this is Software 11:46 < c_hoke> well I think that comes with time 11:46 < GeroldKa> if you tell someone Windows; everybody knows Bill Gates 11:46 < c_hoke> I don't think you can tell people what you are, people will decide what you are 11:46 < GeroldKa> if you tell somebody Linux .... 11:46 < GeroldKa> mostly (if not working in IT) think What is it 11:47 < GeroldKa> it is imho up to us, to value that brand 11:47 < c_hoke> but if your identity and messaging is consistent, then what you want to be known as will happen 11:47 < GeroldKa> the brand must be for us: FEDORA 11:47 < quaid> GeroldKa: I'd almost make that part of a long-term mission statement: "When people hear Linux, they think Fedora." 11:48 < GeroldKa> yeah; this is the goal 11:49 < c_hoke> absolutely, but you get to that by everything else, I think 11:49 < GeroldKa> Fedora, not any other distribution; also not RH *g* 11:49 < joadams> that's exactly the types of goals to articulate in the marketing plan 11:49 < quaid> GeroldKa: "When people hear Enterprise (aka business), they think Red Hat." ;-) 11:49 < Syn-Drome> generally anyone in the industry who thinks about a server or any kind of serious business platform the think RH 11:50 * quaid notes down to last 10 minutes for meeting 11:50 < quaid> c_hoke: look to you like we have more to discuss on guide or plan? ready to move to last quick topic? 11:50 < c_hoke> let's move to the last topic, we'll discuss more on f-m-l and assign tasks and leader in the last 5 min 11:51 -!- bo09 [n=bo09@nat/redhat/x-04604cfcd1c3f677] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:51 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Marketing SIG -- task tracking 11:51 < quaid> anyone want to explain what Trac is? 11:52 * c_hoke knows not 11:52 < spevack> better to just point people to an example? 11:52 < quaid> mmcgrath: can you tell us how you use Trac for f-infra 11:52 < spevack> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trac 11:53 < quaid> Trac is for tracking issues and tasks in a project; it has lots of built-in stuff such as auto-notification 11:53 < quaid> would it help esp. folks newer to Fedora contributing ... 11:53 < nim-nim> quaid: track is an all-in-one-solution, loved by admin people that do not want to deploy a set of apps, and hated by pretty much everyone else 11:53 < quaid> to have a more formal tracking mechanism? 11:53 < mmcgrath> quaid: sure 11:53 < quaid> the other way people do it is informal with the Wiki 11:53 < quaid> make pages there, list who does what, etc. 11:54 < mmcgrath> quaid: you just interested in how we use the bug reporting? 11:54 < c_hoke> I wouldn't mind just using the wiki 11:54 < quaid> mmcgrath: is that what you call the task request for Infra? 11:54 < c_hoke> but, I've never used trac 11:54 < c_hoke> so I dunno 11:54 * spevack thinks that getting people who don't have FP wiki access set up and using some space on there is sufficient, but that's just my $.02 11:54 < quaid> c_hoke: it's a good point, too much tool at this point could kill the goose 11:54 < mmcgrath> quaid: yeah, trac's more for bug tracking but has a pretty easy interface so we use it for everything in infrastructure as well. 11:55 < spevack> quaid: if we were doing a bunch of code, i'd suggest trac. for brainstorming and writing, wiki seems fine 11:55 < quaid> wiki method downside is increased project management 11:55 < c_hoke> +1 wiki 11:55 < bascha> +1 on the simplest is best take 11:55 * spevack acknowledges that there are tradeoffs, but thinks wiki is better choice here 11:55 * quaid noted that in this meeting the wiki method seemed to be sufficient 11:55 < mmcgrath> quaid: for example, we have the following types of tickets: bug, task, annoyance, enhancement, change, outage. 11:55 < poelcat> +1 wiki 11:56 < mmcgrath> then we just assign stuff as needed. You can assign it to email addresses as well which is handy, for example sysadmin-web-members(a)fp.o 11:56 < GeroldKa> +1 wiki 11:56 < mthompson> +1 wiki (but i'll need a tutorial) 11:56 < iWolf> +1 wiki 11:56 < striker57> +1 wiki 11:56 < poelcat> start w/ wiki go to trac when/if wiki doesn't work 11:56 < joadams> +1 i'm with mthompson 11:56 < Syn-Drome> +1 wiki 11:56 < quaid> mmcgrath: I have a feeling we might want it one day, which is why I brought it up; make sure we rolled smoothest from the start 11:56 < spevack> Max will do a wiki setup tutorial for everyone in RDU 11:56 < mmcgrath> quaid: sure thing 11:56 * c_hoke hi-fives Max 11:56 < spevack> we'll schedule it for later this week or early next 11:56 < quaid> spevack: I told folks to contact me about getting in redhat_cla so they don't have to do the GPG dance 11:57 < quaid> spevack: was going to give mmcgrath a list 11:57 < spevack> quaid: excellent. 11:57 < quaid> ok, wiki is the consensus 11:57 < spevack> quaid: i'll let you run with that, then i'll do a wiki usage demo 11:57 < quaid> spevack: ok, then that means ... 11:57 < quaid> ... everyone here who does NOT have a Fedora account 11:57 < quaid> needs to sign up ASAP :) 11:57 * c_hoke notes we're down to about 5 min 11:58 < quaid> and send me your username so I can get you in redhat_cla if you do not want to do the GPG-signing of the CLA yourself 11:58 < Syn-Drome> my account is a bit broken :s 11:58 < quaid> Syn-Drome: :( 11:58 < quaid> c_hoke: we killed the agenda, sir 11:58 < Syn-Drome> but it IS GPG issues 11:58 < rharrison> I sort of see the wiki as the right place for big tasks, like "Make a Pamphlet" track is more for the nitty gritty stuff involved in making it. 11:58 < quaid> "It's dead, Jim." 11:58 < Syn-Drome> so i'll give you an email 11:58 < c_hoke> I know, but I'd like to assign some owners of things before we go 11:58 * rharrison types too slow 11:58 < quaid> c_hoke: want to list out what needs taking? 11:58 < GeroldKa> quaid, is the redhat_cla the same as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification 11:59 < quaid> then see who wants to do what 11:59 < quaid> GeroldKa: redhat_cla is the CLA group used to mass-include Red Hat staffers; there are similar ones for dell_cla, etc. 11:59 < ricky> cla_redhat :) 12:00 < quaid> GeroldKa: for when an organization has a single legal relationship with Fedora; e.g. Dell itself agrees to the CLA so each employee there doesn't need to do so as long as they are under employment contract with Dell 12:00 < quaid> aiui, ymmv, ianal, tinla :) 12:00 * joadams will post a skeleton marketing plan to the wiki and engage the marketing-list to volunteer to complete sections 12:00 < quaid> ricky: d'oh! thanks 12:00 < c_hoke> so let's recap 12:00 < quaid> c_hoke: there is your first owner 12:00 < c_hoke> if that's cool ,quaid? 12:00 * joadams will also post some brand positioning tools and templates to the wiki to get the discussion started 12:00 < Syn-Drome> did you get that quaid? 12:00 < GeroldKa> but is the requested cla this one which I posted? 12:01 < c_hoke> so, I'll lead the IRC chats as much as possible, until I get more comfortabel with it, if everyone is cool with that 12:01 < c_hoke> I'll work with joadams on the Plan and Guide outlines 12:01 < Syn-Drome> doin a good job so far c_hoke :D 12:01 < quaid> Syn-Drome: aye 12:01 < c_hoke> that will include the value, GeroldKa 12:02 < c_hoke> Max is going to give us here a rundown of the wiki 12:02 < c_hoke> and we'll post things there ASAP 12:02 < quaid> GeroldKa: I think that group is 'cla_fedora' 12:02 < joadams> i have to sign off ... c_hoke, let me know what else comes up 12:02 < c_hoke> Everyone involved! make sure you register your nick and get on the Fedora wiki 12:02 < c_hoke> joadams: no prob 12:02 -!- joadams [n=joadams@nat/redhat/x-b77cd0b1ca50e254] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:03 < quaid> I'll do the irclog and minutes reply back to the list 12:03 < c_hoke> sounds good 12:03 * quaid needs to call shibby! 12:03 < quaid> </meeting>? 12:03 < c_hoke> alright, I think that's just about it

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Fedora EasyLife
by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All!! Can You test this software ?? http://www.duli.googlepages.com/easylife-20080130-1.fc8.i386.rpm The EasyLife is a software developed by the Brazilian Fedora Community (By Duli) and will be added to the Brazilian Project. This software permits new fedora users to install and configure the system with many facilities (gnome look, fonts, players, codecs, k3b, java, flash and install many useful applications). I'm waiting comments and suggestions!! Saudações Livres!! Rodrigo Padula Brazilian Fedora Project http://www.projetofedora.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHoVg2Pg3HAC1vlg4RAkA7AJ97GDrOWwnQbPmCXRKTMiICRHHHvACfUqJB 003VRHlQFHtXyik+kiX3uEw= =ulSH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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agenda for SIG meeting
by Karsten Wade 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

What would we like to discuss at tomorrow's meeting? We can populate this page ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting Some topics that have been open recently: * Report on state of Fedora's marketing needs from available marketing professionals * What is the Fedora brand? * Work on the Marketing Messaging Guide (due March 2008) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide * Marketing Plan (due March 2008) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Plan * Task tracking for Marketing * Would we benefit from Trac? * Or should we start with the lighterweight wiki approach? * Comments from the list: * RahulSundaram: "Yep. Trac is definitely better than a wiki for tracking things that need to be completed within a deadline." * What else? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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FOSDEM 2008 SPEAKERS 2
by Frederic Hornain 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

Dear *, As the FOSDEM '08 is coming relatively quickly and as we still need more speakers. if you are intereseted, you can register at the Fedora FOSDEM 08 wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008 FYI, the deadline for sending in schedule information is ***************************** ***** Friday 2008-02-01 ***** ***************************** which is *end of this week* Thanks for your comprehension Kind regards Frederic

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personal introduction
by service＠fedorastoreonline.com 31 Jan '08

31 Jan '08

Hello all, my name is Ashleigh Joseph, i thought it was about time i introduced myself to everybody :) i work for WDS Global (for those not in the know thats a wireless networking and cellular communications company) where i troubleshoot and test mobile communications hardware (its even less fun than it sounds :P ) in october im planning to finally attend university to do a BA in digital media develpment (if anyone is interested) anyway i hope to be of as much help as possible and i look forward to working with you all! Ash. (irc - Syn-Drome)

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More marketing plans from John
by Colby Hoke 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

-- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802

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One page marketing plan
by Colby Hoke 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

-- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802

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RPM Fusion interview
by Jonathan Roberts 30 Jan '08

30 Jan '08

Hey all, This interview is up now: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/RPMFusion Hope everyone is happy with it, and if you enjoy it be sure to digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/RPM_Fusion_One_Repository_to_Rule_Them_All Best wishes, Jon

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I want to show off some maps....
by Jef Spaleta 29 Jan '08

29 Jan '08

Okay the F8 one week window of mirrorlist clients map is edging up towards 150k clients. Who that number be a good time to hilight the map as a way to show off to current users on start.fp.org? And possible to stick on the homepage of www.fp.org for drivebys? Anyone got a problem with me doing that? I'm trying to go back through and make a time history of some of the information on the map... when I have the cycles. Even though the maps are generated daily(or should be barring any hiccups) we aren't caching the information any any way. I want to start trying to do that so we can look at time histories and ask some more sophisticated questions like "what is the time lag between US and EU client density accumulation" -jef

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LCA/Fedora MiniConf URLs
by sankarshan 29 Jan '08

29 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://linuxsoftware.co.nz/blog/2008/01/28/fedora-miniconf http://jp79.net/things/?p=18 are a few URLs popping up via Google Alerts ~sankarshan - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHnyh1XQZpNTcrCzMRAuBUAKC8pBteHNsnu3qyGVFkjqsJDDH1CACgjozP mvh7Zdyz8CC07c6Ty9OrMtU= =uhgy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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2008 Readers' Choice Survey
by Rahul Sundaram 29 Jan '08

29 Jan '08

Hi Leave your footprints: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006101 Rahul

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Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD
by Gain Paolo Mureddu 28 Jan '08

28 Jan '08

Good night all. I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and relatives about F8 LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put together some sort of a "quick" introductory "manual" to Fedora and its key features. I'm not trying to imitate what's already been done and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a bit more in depth with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs that conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs both GNOME and KDE) for users to get acquainted with the OS, and more importantly, the applications they'll find. The final objective is to spend less time talking about "the system" and spend the bulk of the reader's time talking about the applications. At any rate, while reviewing some of the feedback I got from a few (two, actually) users, is concerning one application (of the them actually sent the e-mail with a subject [roughly] "undocumented application"), they both were talking about Evince, or "Document Viewer". What they particularly found funny was that Firefox would prompt to open PDF (and other file types) with it, but there was no entry for it in the applications menu hierarchy. At first I was kind of "shocked" to read this (I guess I've been too used at using Evince launched from web browsers that I didn't notice there indeed is no menu entry for it). So I felt compelled to ask: What other applications that may actually be part of the Desktop are there in the LiveCDs (and default installs) that don't have a menu entry as well? I do believe this is indeed important, I for one did not think about it when first thinking on writing this "manual", but now that it's been brought to my attention, what other "undocumented apps" are there (in the understanding that these may be GUI applications without a menu entry)? I think it might be important to notice these (from a marketing point of view), and maybe expose them more in our marketing efforts? I know the concrete case of Evince is not very appealing to a lot of people (I know many who actually despise the app), but there are other such applications (I can't think of any out the tip of my mind, at the moment) it may be a good idea to explore how to properly raise awareness of them. Any input appreciated. Gian.

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fudcon video torrent
by Max Spevack 28 Jan '08

28 Jan '08

The first of the FUDCon videos are up. http://spevack.livejournal.com/44085.html --Max

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Ref:Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD
by Gain Paolo Mureddu 28 Jan '08

28 Jan '08

---------- Encabezado original ----------- De : fedora-marketing-list-bounces(a)redhat.com Para : "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com Copia : Fecha : Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:46:42 +0530 Asunto : Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > > Good night all. > > > > I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and relatives about F8 LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put together some sort of a "quick" introductory "manual" to Fedora and its key features. I'm not trying to imitate what's already been done and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a bit more in depth with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs that conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs both GNOME and KDE) for users to get acquainted with the OS, and more importantly, the applications they'll find. The final objective is to spend less time talking about "the system" and spend the bulk of the reader's time talking about the applications. At any rate, while reviewing some of the feedback I got from a few (two, actually) users, is concerning one application (of the them actually sent the e-mail with a subject [roughly] "undocumented application"), they both were talking about Evince, or "Document > V > > iewer". What they particularly found funny was that Firefox would prompt to open PDF (and other file types) with it, but there was no entry for it in the applications menu hierarchy. At first I was kind of "shocked" to read this (I guess I've been too used at using Evince launched from web browsers that I didn't notice there indeed is no menu entry for it). So I felt compelled to ask: What other applications that may actually be part of the Desktop are there in the LiveCDs (and default installs) that don't have a menu entry as well? > > > > I do believe this is indeed important, I for one did not think about it when first thinking on writing this "manual", but now that it's been brought to my attention, what other "undocumented apps" are there (in the understanding that these may be GUI applications without a menu entry)? I think it might be important to notice these (from a marketing point of view), and maybe expose them more in our marketing efforts? I know the concrete case of Evince is not very appealing to a lot of people (I know many who actually despise the app), but there are other such applications (I can't think of any out the tip of my mind, at the moment) it may be a good idea to explore how to properly raise awareness of them. > > > > Any input appreciated. > > This is probably a question better suited for fedora-desktop list but if > you need to find out yourself, take a look at .desktop files in > /usr/share/applications and grep for "NoDisplay=true". You can also > right click on the application menu and click "Edit Menus" and browse > through the menus and see which ones are hidden. > > Rahul > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Thank you very much, Rahul. Much appreciated. I can only wonder now why some were left hidden, but that's really not the point. I was only transmitting what was said to me from 'fresh' users. Another recurring theme (though I tried to actually a dress this one with detailed instructions when giving the LiveCDs) was that of the keyboard layout in the distribution. I'll try to transmit this feedback to the Desktop or LiveCD lists in regards of choosing the appropriate keyboard layout upon language selection in GDM for the LiveCD systems. I'm not sure it would be feasible, but at least was (as I kind of expected) a common observation and desired feature. These recent efforts had made me want to try to play around with the LiveCD tools to create a "respin" with localized OOo, of course I know why it was left out of the LiveCDs (it simply takes too much disk space, and having all locales amounts almost to an entire 700Mb CD), I wonder how much it would take with only one extra locale (as I understand US English is "hardcoded"). At any rate, this is no topic for marketing, but rather for the LiveCD or Desktop lists. Thanks again for your input.

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RPM Fusion Interview
by Jonathan Roberts 28 Jan '08

28 Jan '08

Hey all, I'm just putting together an interview with the people from RPM Fusion but I wanted to check that there are no problems with this going on the Fedora Wiki - that is with the repository providing access to non-free (and patented?) software? Best wishes, Jon

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Self-Introduction | John Adams, Red Hat Brand Manager
by John Adams 26 Jan '08

26 Jan '08

Greetings, Fedora Marketing List! My name is John Adams, and I joined Red Hat in July 2007 as Brand Manager in the Corporate Marketing group. In my role, I help to define brand strategies both for the corporate brand itself (Red Hat) as well as our portfolio of product brands. Prior to joining Red Hat, I spent several years managing brands in the snack food, apparel and retail industries, most recently as a Brand Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement (where I developed and managed a portfolio of 50+ private label brands). The reason I am telling you this? I am eager to get involved with Fedora and leverage my skill set to help out however I can with Fedora brand management. My relevant experience is in the areas of brand positioning development, brand strategy, brand architecture, naming, trademark management, and the evaluation of brand design elements (including logo, package design, and marketing collateral). Please know that I am a resource for the community and look forward to helping out however I can. Feel free to email me directly ... my contact info is below. Thanks! John -- John Q. Adams Brand Manager | Red Hat Brand Communications + Design 919.754.4471 joadams(a)redhat.com

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[Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...]
by Rahul Sundaram 26 Jan '08

26 Jan '08

Hi, I guess people can stop screaming now. Rahul

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FUDCon posts collection
by Karsten Wade 25 Jan '08

25 Jan '08

Just for Jefe', I noticed my Liferea had a nice fat cache and a search function, thuse these "fudcon" posts: http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2008/01/halp-fud-is-eatin-my-fud.html http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/13253.html http://kyle.mcmartin.ca/log/?p=3 http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/104312.html http://katzj.livejournal.com/415219.html http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=907 http://lewk.org/blog/FUDCon2008.html http://www.silfreed.net/blog/2008/01/Reflecting-FUDCon http://spevack.livejournal.com/43241.html http://wtogami.livejournal.com/22704.html http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=906 http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/103903.html http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/103495.html http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/17544.html http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=904 http://fedora-tutorials.com/2008/01/14/fudcon-the-day-after/ http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/103170.html http://jons-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/fedora-bug-triage-workflow.html http://developer.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/12/best-of-now-and-best-for-sev… http://www.linux.com/feature/124570 http://www.fnokd.com/2008/01/11/going-down-to-fudcon-and-other-updates/ http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/08/fudcon-comes-home-to-raleigh/ http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/102990.html http://gregdek.livejournal.com/21674.html -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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linux.conf.au: Peeping under the brim
by Rahul Sundaram 25 Jan '08

25 Jan '08

Hi http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16199/1090/ " Attending the Australian national Linux conference just once - in 2007 - was enough for Eugene Teo to conclude that he would like to get involved in some capacity. For starters, this year the Fedora ambassador for Singapore is organising the Fedora miniconf" Rahul

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FUDCon video: New face of Fedora
by Rahul Sundaram 25 Jan '08

25 Jan '08

Hi http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/24/fudcon-video-new-face-of-fedora/ "One of the major announcements at the recent FUDCon was the changeover in Fedora Project leadership. Max Spevack, the outgoing project manager, sat down with incoming Fedora chief Paul Frields (a familiar face to magazine readers, as he’s a popular contributor). Couldn’t make the conference? Catch up now instead." Rahul

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A potential learning exercise.
by Max Spevack 24 Jan '08

24 Jan '08

http://tinyurl.com/29rgk9 This is a good article. It was on the front page of LWN. It's about "rolling your own Linux distro" and when I clicked on it, I was very hopeful that I would see a discussion of Fedora's custom build and respin tools. We *believe* that we have done tons of work in highlighting those features over the past year. Unfortunately, there was no mention of it in the article. This is only a single sample, and I don't want anyone spamming the author. Instead, I was hoping that we could use this as an opportunity for Leigh or Caroline to teach Fedora Marketing List a little something about how we can better highlight our own "core features" so that when someone goes to research an article like this, they find Fedora. --Max

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SIG meeting
by Karsten Wade 24 Jan '08

24 Jan '08

Proposing that we meet weekly until Fedora 9 is released, as we have a bit of catch-up work to do. When is a good time to meet? We like using #fedora-meeting, but that limits our times just a bit[1]. Over the next week(s) we can expect to see self-intros from a few of the Red Hat marketing professionals who are passionate about helping Fedora. We'll want their input on when to meet, since their participation is vital to us kicking our marketing to the next level. First meeting topics: * What needs to be done and who is doing it? - Marketing Plan - Let's get a strawman list together before meeting * Dividing up the work on the Messaging Guide[2] * How do we want to track tasks? wiki list v. Trac * Other? - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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Hello Fedora Marketing!
by Colby Hoke 23 Jan '08

23 Jan '08

Hi! My name's Colby Hoke, you can call me choke - that's how most people remember me anyway. I wanted to introduce myself to you all. I'm a Red Hat employee and work on a lot of the videos you'll see on Red Hat Magazine. I've done a lot of the work on the last 3 videos promoting Fedora and getting a good consistent "feel" for what a Fedora promo looks like. (They're the ones with the archival footage, if you've seen them.) Anyway, I'm a former Computer Science student at NC State University, but I switched into Film Studies my junior year and really got into editing, color correction, and compositing. I'm a big supporter of digital rights and Creative Commons. As far as Fedora goes, I recently got into video editing in open source environments and am helping test a version of Kino that we can roll into the Fedora repo. Once that's done, I hope to roll a "designer" version of Fedora that includes all the usual suspects (Inkscape, GIMP, etc) so that someone can make a video, add graphics, 3D, whatever, and then render it to an ogg for everyone to see. Anyway, enough about that. If anyone has any questions for me, I'd be happy to answer them. And... it's wonderful to be on the list. -- Colby A. Hoke Corporate Marketing [ Producer ] 919.621.8802

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Fedora 9 name
by Satyajit Ranjeev 23 Jan '08

23 Jan '08

Juan Camilo Prada wrote > > being mythical doesnt make them cool, chupacabra is juts a > ridiculous name! +1 I totally agree with Juan. Why don't they decide a name which wouldn't repel people away from the distribution. Is Fedora a disease that soon we would have to eradicate. It is said that the a person becomes the name and I think the same goes with any thing. Satyajit

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Linuxtag 2008, Berlin, Germany
by Gerold 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

***************************** *** english Version below *** ***************************** Hallo zusammen! Wie Ihr sicher schon der Homepage des Linuxtages [1] entnommen habt, ist der Linuxtag in diesem Jahr wieder in Berlin. Er findet in der Zeit vom 28. Mai bis einschl. 31. Mai 2008 statt. Fedora wird wieder mit einem größeren Stand vertreten sein, welcher vom "Linuxtag Team" der Fedora Ambassadors [2] organisiert wird. Wir würden uns freuen, wenn a.) von der Community Leute auf den Linuxtag kommen und b.) Der Eine oder Andere sich angesprochen fühlt und mitmachen möchte. Wir versprechen jede Menge Spass, Arbeit, Fun und die Möglichkeit viele Größen der Linux-Community einmal live zu erleben. Mit an 100%-tiger Wahrscheinlichkeit wird Paul Frields [3] den Fedora Project Verantwortlichen sowie auch Max Spevack [4] seinen Vorgänger am Linuxtag von Fedora-Seite aus vertreten sein. Wer Interesse hat mitzuarbeiten, sei es als "Standpersonal" oder im "OrgaTeam" der möge sich bitte melden! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear *, maybe you all noticed from the homepage of Linuxtag [1] that the event is again in Berlin this year. He will take place from 2008-05-28 till 2008-05-31. The Fedora Project will be present with a bigger booth, which will be organized by the "Linuxtag Team" of the Fedora Ambassadors [2]. We would be pleased, if a.) Community Member will visit us at the LInuxtag and b.) the one or other will feel spoken to help and attend us as team. We can promise a lot of fun, work and the possibility to meet in person some honors of the worldwide Linux community live. Not per 100% for sure, but we hope that Paul Frields [3] as Fedora Project Leader and also Max Spevack [4] as former Project Leader will be present. Who is interested in teamwork, maybe as "booth personal" nor in the "OrgaTeam" fell free and contact me or someone out of the team ... [1] http://www.linuxtag.org/2008 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxTag/LinuxTag2008/FLTT [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: GeroldKa(a)fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9

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marketing idea
by brendon 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Just a idea that I had, while scanning through other parts of linux, it came to me as part of marketing Fedora to the public and to the business sector, it would be a good idea to coe up with a flyer to give away at opensource events, software freedom day, or simply to give away to people who ask for a copy of the cd/dvd of the OS. give it to them as well, the flyer could include what the Fedora project is about, where to get support, ie local LUGS, Wiki, IRC Forums and Mailing lists. also a brief history of Fedora and how the project started, just something to think about and may be work towards.

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Mission: Archiving Fudcon testimonials
by Jef Spaleta 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

For everyone who likes finding articles about Fedora, I've a task for you. Can you hunt down all the personal testimonials from Fudcon attendees and organize them so that we can use these things so we have them as a potential resource to easily reference as a run-up to the next Fudcon? I want to try to bottle the good feelings generate in last week's blogs and then pour it back out again on people planning to attending the red hat summit who aren't familiar with the hotness that is the fedora hackfest and barcamp. I don't care how its done, but at the end of the day what I'd like to be able to do is have a url that whisks me to a list personal blog entries related to fudcon, which we can then pull quotes from as needed in run-up materials. I've been told that this is exactly the sort of thing digg tagging is good for. Even better, beyond just tagging them so they are easily found, if there was a way to annotate them with the best take away one sentence quote from the blog entry that would be fantabulous. Anyone up to the challenge? -jef

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Linux Format Interviews Red Hat’s Jack Aboutboul
by Rahul Sundaram 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Hi http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/pdfs/LXF99.iview.pdf "Fedora’s dedication to opening everything is not just for hackers – it has a wider importance in that our approach is an agent for social change" Rahul

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Outgoing Fedora Project Leader Max Spevack talks to Linux.com
by Rahul Sundaram 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Hi, http://www.linux.com/feature/124819 "We caught up with Max at FUDCon. He told us how much he has enjoyed being the Fedora project leader for the past two years, and why this is a good time to hand the reins to someone else. Max will still be working for Red Hat, and even though he will no longer be head Fedora honcho, he'll still be involved with the project. But that's enough from us. Let Max tell it in his own words." Rahul

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Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 25
by Pablo Barrera 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Hi all, Why not to stay focused , no how get the people with the advantages of Fedora, than discuss if a codename or another is properly or not?. Ridiculous is discuss this things. Reaction of people of the "codename", What People?.....people who wants to use another option, are focused on the option, not in the codename, this is a geek business, not "human" business.... We have more work to, strategy plans to spread Fedora, than lost our time to read this unnecesary discussion. Besides, Codenames are traditional, and a thread about the usefulness of a codename is really ridiculous... Best regards -- Pablo Barrera

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Spinning a Fedora Linux Live CD
by Rahul Sundaram 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Hi Chris Negus, who authored on book on Linux live cd's that covered Kadischi now has a very comprehensive article on Fedora livecd-creator. Check it out. http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1157197 "The Fedora project has added a powerful tool to its Linux distribution to build your own live CD. With a single livecd-creator command and a kickstart file listing the software you want, you can create a desktop, gaming, or Web server to run live on most PCs. This article gives details of how to do that." Digg it: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Spinning_a_Fedora_Linux_Live_CD Rahul

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Res: Fedora 9
by Henrique de Castro 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Here in Brazil (and I bet that in all Latin countries) the choice of this codenames have caused a negative reaction even in the more enthusiastic users. Henrique "LonelySpooky" Junior "The best diplomat that I know is a fully-loaded phaser bank." Lt. Cdr. Montgomery Scott ("A Taste of Armageddon") ----- Mensagem original ---- De: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> Para: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 18 de Janeiro de 2008 11:28:32 Assunto: Re: Fedora 9 Rodrigo Menezes wrote: > I agree with Padula, half of these names are diseases or monters, man, > this codename should be something cool, not a monster. What is this? > Fedora Monster, Fedora Disease? > > I think we need to review this list. There was a open call in fedora-devel list and all of the names were suggested from people in the community and need to pass through legal review which has already been done. The names won't be changed now. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/

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Fedora Electronics Lab - Linux For You Current Issue
by Rahul Sundaram 22 Jan '08

22 Jan '08

Hi I couldn't find any information online about this but one of the local Linux users group members notified that Linux For You magazine current issue bundles Fedora Electronics Lab Live CD. This print magazine claims to be the only Asian print magazine dedicated to Linux and has tens of thousands of copies circulation rate. Since they also run a sister magazine called Electronics For You, they have a good interest in electronics which probably explains the choice. I thought it was pretty interesting info to pass on. I will post an update once I get to see a copy. Rahul

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Store SIG Meeting 2008-01-23 - Cancelled
by Jeffrey Tadlock 21 Jan '08

21 Jan '08

Unfortunately I will not be able to lead the Store SIG meeting this week. I lost a crown tonight and the first available dental appointment is going to interfere with the normally scheduled meeting time. I will update the meeting page to reflect the change and we'll meet again next week. Thanks! Jeffrey

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Fedora 9 name
by Satyajit Ranjeev 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

Hi all, I do agree with a lot of others about the names regarding the new fedora release. How about we have an option wherein we add names we like and others can vote on the names or add their choice. The final one probably could be the one with the most number of votes. Satyajit

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introduce myself
by brendon 19 Jan '08

19 Jan '08

Hi there one and all, I am emailing the mailing list to introduce myself. My name is Brendon Toogood, I come from new zealand, my main aim is to get Linux/open source more out to the general public and in to the business sector. I am running FC8 but in the past i have used FC2,3,4 for a few years after I used a couple of other distributions to see what they were like and compare them. (there were debian based and that is as far as I will go on the list). I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I can help, and do my part. yours Brendon Toogood Linux consultant

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Fedora 9
by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All!! Only stupid names are listed here. This can not be serious. Dragicorn Chingachgook Asperger Marfan Tourette Chupacabra Bathysphere Kingsport Town Sulphur Mayonnaise Woodwose Barmanou -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHkEiYPg3HAC1vlg4RAt27AJ9qiYVit5eCu64QAy4A2ajRpMGO9QCcClXM tDknOPlAc61VZCK3mZY7UU0= =K00t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Paul Fields Takes Over at Fedora
by Rahul Sundaram 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Hi, http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/paul_fields_takes_over_at_fedora "At the "Fedora User and Developer Conference" (FUDCon) this weekend in Raleigh, Spevack held the traditional opening speech on the current status of the free distribution to just over 150 participants. In a blog entry posted just before the conference, Spevack said goodbye to “one of the coolest jobs you can have”, reviewing his time as project leader." Rahul

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Fedora 9 and beyond : Name Suggestion and Features Wish List
by Markus McLaughlin 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

The Fedora 9 name should be Phoenix or Resurrection, taking the death of 8 and bringing about the reborn 9! The Fedora 10 name MUST be Eagle, the name used on the Apollo 11 Lunar Module, it symbolizes FREEDOM as well! I hope there will be an optional MAC-like 3D dock replacing the standard GNOME dock, that would be so cool in Fedora 9 or 10! A calendar like widget should also be present and an iMovie-like editor for video too. Onward and forward! Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com hudsonman35(a)gmail.com Hudson, MA

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Re: introduce myself
by Ama M 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Welcome to the list Ndewoo!! ------------------------------------- Ama Mgbeoji http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AmaMgbeoji ------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ---- From: brendon <brendontoogood(a)gmail.com> To: Fedora <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:39:06 AM Subject: introduce myself Hi there one and all, I am emailing the mailing list to introduce myself. My name is Brendon Toogood, I come from new zealand, my main aim is to get Linux/open source more out to the general public and in to the business sector. I am running FC8 but in the past i have used FC2,3,4 for a few years after I used a couple of other distributions to see what they were like and compare them. (there were debian based and that is as far as I will go on the list). I would like to do my part in the marketing of the Fedora project so that is why I am here in this mailing list to see in any way in which I can help, and do my part. yours Brendon Toogood Linux consultant -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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PackageKit interview
by Jonathan Roberts 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Hey there, I'm putting together the first interview of the new year right now and would appreciate it if somebody could take a look over it? It still needs screenshots adding and broken-wiki links fixing. Probably other stuff I've missed too so if people could muck in and help that would be *awesome* :) Umm, I'll check back later 'cos I've got a busy evening ahead but hopefully we can get this one out in the wild by tomorrow morning UTC :) Ohh address would be helpful! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/F9Interviews/PackageKit Best wishes to all, Jon

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Summit '08: Call for papers
by Leigh Cantrell Day 17 Jan '08

17 Jan '08

Hi All, Wanted to send a reminder that the Summit 'O8 Call for Papers is now open. Would love to have great Fedora representation within the Summit agenda, so please submit your ideas and spread the word! Please see: http://www.redhat.com/apps/include/webforms/paper.html Thanks, Leigh

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ambassadors, marketing, etc
by Max Spevack 16 Jan '08

16 Jan '08

Hi there Ambassadors and Marketing folks: So, a few things that I would like to clarify now that the news about the changes in Fedora leadership is public, as well as some additional words about the role we are hoping Jack can fill. (1) FOSDEM and LinuxTag: A bunch of DVDs are on their way to Gerold, as well as some funding for some specific expenses tha thave been talked about. Paul and I need to have a discussion (and Paul needs to think about his own schedule) and figure out his travel plans. LinuxTag is not until May or June, and I think Paul should definitely plan to go to that -- it was an excellent show last year, and the opportunity to connect with the Ambassadors in Europe is 100% worth the cost of the trip. As for FOSDEM, that is much sooner, so I should just leave that to Paul to address. There is travel money in my budget for the FPL to make 2 trips overseas per year for Fedora-related activities. I spent a little bit too much money at LinuxTag last year (as you recall, Fedora took care of the bill for the hostel for all the Ambassadors), so the total budget is a little bit less this year, but it is enough for two trips. Until we get Paul officially into Red Hat and in control of his own funds, I will spend that money on his behalf and with his input. (2) The FAMSCO elections, FAMSCO chair, and Jack. I have received a few private emails asking me how Jack's new role impacts Ambassadors and FAMSCO. The elections that you just finished for FAMSCO as well as the voting/decision that FAMSCO made on who the Chair should be is a result that should not, and will not be changed. Over the past years, there has always been someone within Red Hat who has been the "go to person" for the Ambassadors group in terms of getting budget, swag, organizational help, etc. For a while it was Greg. Alex Maier has helped with that over time. During my time as Fedora Project Leader, I did most of this. Now we want Jack to be that person. So FAMSCO should continue to operate. Jack and FAMSCO should work together on a variety of things: * increasing the size of the Ambassadors project * encouraging and promoting leadership throughout the world * continuing to help in North America, Europe, and Brazil, where we have particularly strong ambassadors communitites * Identifying problems with Ambassadors and being a leader and advisor in resolving them. In summary: the community leadership that is in place is exactly what we want, and it must continue to thrive. Jack's job is to be your FIRST point of contact in Red Hat when you need something. Paul, myself, Greg, the names you already know -- we will also continue to support and help you. (3) For the marketing guys, the same general theme that is expressed above is true for the non-Ambassador marketing parts of Fedora. We want Jack to be a facilitator, a liason between the community and Red Hat, and to work alongside the community leaders to make Fedora marketing more efficient, more on-message, etc. I expect Jack to attend Marketing and Ambassadors meetings, and the Fedora Board should ask Jack for frequent updates on these two critical parts of the Fedora Project. Any questions -- feel free to email. Let's try to have the discussion on-list. Regards, Max

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Store SIG IRC Meeting Log - 2008-01-16
by Jeffrey Tadlock 16 Jan '08

16 Jan '08

Below is the IRC meeting log from the Store SIG meeting today. 13:03 < iWolf> Okay. back. sorry about that! 13:03 < iWolf> Anyone else here? 13:03 -!- stickster_work_a is now known as stickster_work 13:04 < iWolf> Okay. Let's get started. 13:04 < iWolf> Going from the open action items here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store 13:04 < iWolf> the first thing we have is the mockup and requirements page. 13:05 < iWolf> It doesn't like there have been any changes on the requirements since last week, so that looks good. 13:05 < iWolf> I did not get a chance to put together a request to the Design team this week. I will kick that up in priority for me. 13:06 < ricky> Some people have been asking about what they can do with websites, and I've been pointing them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests. 13:06 < ricky> It might be a good idea to mention that there. 13:06 < iWolf> Cool! This mockup would be a good thing for someone to get started with. 13:06 -!- sankarshan [n=sankarsh@fedora/sankarshan] has quit ["Are you sure you want to quit this channel (Cancel/Ok) ?"] 13:06 < iWolf> I did see some work from SyN-dRoMe I believe with some graphics. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> i've been thinking of mockup ideas but the requirements are a little vague. 13:07 < iWolf> I need to dig that link from my IRC log. 13:07 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: feel free to ask for any clarification on the requirements. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> ok, well, how was that as a logo 13:07 < iWolf> I sort of tossed them together as a starting point. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> considering the background for that banner is taken from the infinity artwork 13:08 < iWolf> I thought it looked good, do you have that link again? 13:08 < SyN-dRoMe> not on this computer im afraid 13:08 < SyN-dRoMe> oops hang on, im talking rubbish 13:09 < SyN-dRoMe> http://www.fedorastoreonline.com/images/fedorabanner3.png 13:09 < SyN-dRoMe> there we go, its a scaled down, i have the master image on my desktop system. 13:09 < iWolf> Great thanks! 13:10 < iWolf> Now it will be in the meeting log and we can hear from others as well. 13:10 < iWolf> I beleive mizmo also expressed some interest in helping with a mockup but was going to be unavailable for a week or two. 13:10 < SyN-dRoMe> i'd like some feedback on that kind of look as i normally use logos as a basis for entire motif's 13:10 < iWolf> That info is from an IRC conversantion jds2001 had with her last week. 13:11 < iWolf> Anyone here care to comment on SyN-dRoMe's logo? 13:11 < iWolf> Suggestions? Improvements? etc? 13:11 < iWolf> Or just plain old - "That looks cool!" 13:11 < iWolf> :) 13:12 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: I will solicit more feedback from the marketing list this week. 13:12 < SyN-dRoMe> thank you :) 13:12 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: no worries. 13:13 < iWolf> So, for mockups we can continue to work with SyN-dRoMe and wait to hear from mizmo. I will probably put a page request up and note that we have SyN-dRoMe and mizmo involved as well and see if we can't get something put together. 13:13 < SyN-dRoMe> has there been any ideas on merchandise sources 13:13 < SyN-dRoMe> ? 13:13 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: yeah, we'll get to that in a moment. 13:13 < iWolf> I will also post the current graphic to the marketing list to help get some feedback for SyN-dRoMe. 13:14 < iWolf> Oh and SyN-dRoMe feel free to email me with questions on the requirements. 13:14 < iWolf> I will clear up what I can. 13:14 < SyN-dRoMe> will do. 13:14 < iWolf> Anything else to add to the mockup/requirements item before we move on? 13:15 < iWolf> Okay. 13:15 < iWolf> The next three items can sort of be tied up into one talking point for this meeting. 13:16 < iWolf> Vendors. 13:16 < iWolf> I did more looking at the ones we have listed here: 13:16 < iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors 13:16 < iWolf> I tried to add some more pros and cons to each. 13:17 < iWolf> I also solicited input from MrTom, an ambassador who has been working to get a French store up and running. 13:17 < iWolf> He has added his comments to the wiki as well. 13:17 < iWolf> He has worked with spreadshirt for that stor and seen their products. 13:17 < MrTom> meeting is at 20UTC ? 13:17 < iWolf> From what I saw online, spreadshirt seems to have a good reputation for print on demand T-shirts. 13:17 < iWolf> MrTom: This is the Store SIG meeting. 13:18 < iWolf> MrTom: I just mentioned you for providig comments for our wiki page on spreadshirt and your experiences. 13:18 < MrTom> sorry :s 13:18 * couf didn't have time to check some out 13:18 < MrTom> yep :) 13:18 < iWolf> MrTom: Thanks again for doing that! 13:18 < MrTom> you're welcome 13:18 < iWolf> couf: no worries, if you get a chance this week, feel free to add comments. 13:18 < SyN-dRoMe> i'd like to add, there is a british based vendor that perhaps could be looked into. 13:19 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: which one? 13:19 < SyN-dRoMe> a company called printshop 13:19 < iWolf> Could you add a link to the PotentialDistributor page? 13:19 < SyN-dRoMe> i could indeed 13:19 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Thanks! 13:20 < iWolf> Does anyone lean towards one vendor more than another at this point in time? 13:20 < SyN-dRoMe> it would depend on which region the prospective customers were in 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: any vendor that has better caps than brand fuel 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: that means just about ANY vendor 13:21 < iWolf> EvilBob: LOL, I haven't tried their caps yet! 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: they suck 13:22 < EvilBob> iWolf: they fit like a yamica<sp?> 13:22 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: the region thing is the piece of the puzzle that makes this most difficult. It doesn't seem there is any *one* vendor that serves each region well. 13:22 < iWolf> EvilBob: :) 13:22 * iWolf notes not to buy a Fedora cap from Brand Fuel. 13:23 < iWolf> So, because of trying to serve each region as well as we can. 13:23 < iWolf> I tend to lean towards Spreadshirt. 13:23 < iWolf> ANd open one store through their North American side and open a second store through their European side. 13:23 < SyN-dRoMe> perhaps if you divided the operation to three or four major regions and find a vendor that serves the respective region the best 13:24 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Yep, the only major con I can think of for that is the designers needing to upload graphics to multiple stores. It may be a necessary evil though. 13:25 < couf> probably will be the most succesful one, in finding good vendors 13:25 < iWolf> I think spreadshirt could give us a good start if we opened a store for both the Europe region and the North America region. 13:25 < iWolf> That would get us started. As we learn from that, we could potentially expand to serve other regions better as well. 13:25 < SyN-dRoMe> well essentially, the interface for spreadshirt is an swf. with links relevant to that customers account 13:26 < SyN-dRoMe> i imagine if you asked spreadshirt for a generic copy of the source .fla 13:27 < SyN-dRoMe> it would most likely just be a case of modifying a few links in the script 13:27 < iWolf> I think Thomas is familiar with the customization we can do, they did it for the French store. 13:27 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: But you are quite right, with some mods we may be good to go. 13:27 < SyN-dRoMe> mmmhmm 13:28 < iWolf> I think what I would like to do this week is send an email/update the wiki with a more verbose which way can we go page. 13:28 < SyN-dRoMe> if the source of induvidual stores all came from the same place we could ensure uniformity across x many stores 13:29 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Yeah, that would be very nice for the user experience with the store. 13:29 < iWolf> Maybe we can look more into what options SPreadshirt has for look and feel customization. It might influence the opinion a bit. 13:30 < SyN-dRoMe> also i feel optimisation for gnash would be advantageous 13:30 < SyN-dRoMe> i do have the odd issue with web based flash. 13:31 < iWolf> Yeah, are all spreadshirt store interfaces flash based? 13:31 < SyN-dRoMe> they seem to be 13:31 -!- stickster_work is now known as stickster_afk 13:32 -!- mether [n=ask@fedora/mether] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:32 < iWolf> that could be a potential hang-up. 13:33 < SyN-dRoMe> maybe something like an opinion poll on faults 13:33 -!- tc141516 is now known as tc1415 13:33 < SyN-dRoMe> or if we could have a look at the bugzilla entries to see some potential issues 13:34 -!- makghosh [n=Joy(a)117.201.96.50] has joined #fedora-mktg 13:34 < iWolf> I think most people will want a site that doesn't use proprietary tech. 13:34 < SyN-dRoMe> yes there is that also 13:34 < couf> yeah, that's something we really need to flesh out 13:35 < iWolf> We'll add that to the list of things to check into. Customization features of spreadshirt as well as whether flash is required for the storefront. 13:35 < iWolf> couf: I agree. 13:35 < couf> or it should be doable with the swfdec-stuff (or gnash) 13:35 < iWolf> Okay... Unfortunately, it is about time for me to head back into the office. 13:36 < iWolf> Does anyone have anything else to add? I hate to cut it short, but $dayjob calls.... 13:36 < SyN-dRoMe> nothing from me. 13:36 < couf> nah, we can't really get stuff gone, while still checking vendors 13:36 < couf> I'm good 13:36 < SyN-dRoMe> but could you semd me your email address please iwolf? 13:37 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: you can grab it off of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeffreyTadlock 13:37 < iWolf> Feel free to email me at that address. 13:37 < iWolf> Thanks for coming guys! It is much appreciated. 13:37 < SyN-dRoMe> no worries. 13:37 < iWolf> I will get the logs posted and update the wiki. 13:37 < couf> thanks iWolf 13:37 < iWolf> ================ Meeting Adjourned ==================

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Sources for media?
by Jon Stanley 16 Jan '08

16 Jan '08

I'm involved in the freemedia program (just got started this last month). What I was doing was buying blank DVD's and burning them. Then I went to FUDCon last weekend, and there was a box of nice pre-recorded media. I would be willing to buy one of these (since it would be fairly cheap in bulk) and just send those out. It would look a heck of a lot better than just burning DVD's and writing by hand "Fedora 8 x86 DVD" on it :) I know that this goes in with the Store SIG and some of what Jack is doing, but I figured that these things exist today, there's gotta be some way to get our hands on them! :)

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Red Hat at the crossroads
by Rahul Sundaram 16 Jan '08

16 Jan '08

Hi A long look at the evolution with some notable mentions of Fedora http://www.itpro.co.uk/servers/features/155277/red-hat-at-the-crossroads/pa… "The classic downloadable distribution of Red Hat Linux has been replaced by Fedora, which is no longer sold in shrink-wrapped boxes. Enterprise customers are recommended to purchase RHEL, Red Hat's own branded and supported version of Linux. The perceived benefit of this release model is that Red Hat benefits from the traditional community approach fostered by Fedora, while giving a production model, represented by Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) that corresponds with the longer, more stable, upgrade cycle that is more easily implemented and supported within the enterprise. Fedora has pioneered many of the advances that later appear in RHEL. In some ways Red Hat's business model represents a revolution in the computing industry, and is counter intuitive to the dogma of modern business culture." "Red Hat has managed to walk the line between corporate ambition and community ethics, resisting the temptation to compromise in deals with Microsoft and others, and has endeavored to remain honest and true to its community roots, which it has maintained through its dependence on the Fedora community." Rahul

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revitalize, FUDCon results, and an RFC
by Karsten Wade 16 Jan '08

16 Jan '08

We had a great marketing session[0] with Leigh Day at FUDCon, and one of the results is a plan to create a sustainable Fedora marketing plan by March. This gets us ready for Fedora 9. Work can commence here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide To get things started I'm taking on a lead wrangler role for that guide. We also agreed in that meeting that we're going to more carefully enforce on-topic and off-topic for this mailing list. This means some discussions are requested to go to other lists. This will help our collaboration with some of the marketing professionals we've invited to work on Fedora marketing. Finally, I'm proposing that we form a Marketing SIG and have regular IRC meetings to help our collaboration move rapidly. Once we've completed our marketing plan, it should be relatively stable for some time. We can then evaluate maintaining or disbanding the SIG. cheers - Karsten [0] http://iquaid.org/2008/01/13/fedora-marketing-revitalization/ -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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comparison of ambassadors list and marketing list
by Max Spevack 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

For what it's worth: ambassadors-list == 272 members marketing-list == 393 members 202 people are on both lists. I do not attempt to draw any conclusions from this data. I will leave that to others. --Max

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Video: Alan Cox on community and the enterprise.
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

Hi Interesting and concise descriptions of a lot of things. Alan Cox on his involvement in the Linux kernel, working for Red Hat, the value of enterprises, subscription model, staying true to Free software, birth of Fedora and even more. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/14/666/ http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_Alan_Cox_on_community_and_the_enterprise/ Rahul

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Fedora 9 and KDE 4.0.0 in distrowatch article
by Sebastian Vahl 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

A distrowatch article collects some informations about the recently released KDE 4.0.0. But they seems to be a little bit confused about the different spins. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080114 "The Fedora distribution has traditionally been focusing on GNOME as its preferred desktop environments, but with the increasing community participation in the project, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that KDE 4.0.0 is now included in "rawhide" (Fedora's development branch). Not only that, it also appears to be the default KDE (KDE 3.5.8 is present as well, but these packages have been renamed to kdebase3, kdelibs3, etc.). Moreover, the Fedora community has released an installable Fedora live CD containing a base system from the latest rawhide + KDE 4.0.0 - a good way to evaluate the progress Fedora has made since the release of version 8. The live CD is available for download from here: rawhide-KDE4-i686-20080109.4.iso (694MB, SHA1)." Sebastian

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Fedora 9
by Marc Wiriadisastra 14 Jan '08

14 Jan '08

I know there was discussions about what was going to occur by Fedora 9. Can we add some content to here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule Cheers, Marc

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FedoraFamily
by Clint Savage 14 Jan '08

14 Jan '08

Per a discussion with a couple people in #fudcon today, I am sending out an email regarding a discussion that was held at FUDCon this weekend. One of the first sessions I attended was the "Getting your parents to use Fedora" session, which discussed techniques and ideas for helping your family members and friends successfully install and run Fedora. We had quite a lively discussion and a few good ideas were brought up from this discussion. Because of this, I've started a wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraFamily to help collaborate on this issue. If you were involved in this discussion, or would like to participate, I would appreciate your help... Cheers, Clint

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Upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit Fedora Linux without a system reinstall
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi Not sure if this is worth the effort. Maybe we should look at making the transition more easier. http://www.linux.com/feature/123800 "Updating from Fedora 7 i386 to Fedora 8 x86_64 isn't supported, and many folks will tell you to just reinstall in order to move to a 64-bit Linux. However, I managed to resolve the main problems when doing a yum update in a single day. Your mileage will vary depending on what third-party repositories you're using, how much software you've installed by hand, and how dependent your software is on the system libraries." Rahul

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FUDCon
by Jonathan Roberts 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

To all FUDCon attendees - I realise you're all going to be really busy and enjoying it all (just looked over the schedules and it looks like it should be *awesome*) but... Anybody with an interest in marketing there think we should see about putting together reports about what's going on in the hackfests? Or is something like this already being done? This is my own particular focus and if I was there I'd probably be annoying everyone asking questions about their work all the time! Definitely think this is the kind of stuff that needs promotion... Also any information about any of it for promotional purposes would be great!! Sorry if people are already doing it - wish I could have made it myself... Best wishes, Jon

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Fedora gets a new project leader
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9849461-16.html?tag=head "Isn't it interesting that someone could have such a big impact on Red Hat as Paul has...without working for Red Hat? That's the power of open source. Merit before bureaucracy." Rahul

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Fedora 8 review (Russian)
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/107 Rough translation of the summary: "Until recently, I must admit I was not very fond of Fedora as a desktop system but we can say Fedora 8 surpassed all my expectations. All equipment is configured out of the box, the defaults are picked up with taste and menus are all in place. The settings are simple and understandable. The developers have managed to add stability to the system and pay greater attention to security issues. Well Fedora 8 justifies it's title. It really changed my attitude to it. Linux forever!" Rahul

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FUDCon Raleigh 2008 Video
by Rahul Sundaram 12 Jan '08

12 Jan '08

Hi Matt Domsch from Dell talks about his long term involvmement in Fedora and his current work on mirror manager software. J5 and Karsten Wade from Red Hat talks making developers efficient and lowering barrier to entry and J5's new project called MyFedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/MirrorManager http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora http://www.linux.com/feature/124570 "This is a special edition of Weekly Wire, made on location at the Fedora User and Developers Conference (FUDCon) in Raleigh, N. Carolina. This video gives you a look at how FUDCon operates and introduces you to some of the participants." Rahul

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New Fedora Project Leader! Digg it up.
by Mike McGrath 11 Jan '08

11 Jan '08

http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Project_Hires_New_Leader -Mike

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LWN articles on Fedora
by Rahul Sundaram 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Hi Looking back at 2007 http://lwn.net/Articles/262653/ "Fedora will come into its own as a free, community-oriented distribution" has, beyond any doubt, come true. The Fedora 7 release brought community developers in from the margins, and Fedora 8 solidified the new process. The bulk of the packages in Fedora are now maintained by community developers. Red Hat's controlling hand, while still clearly present, is weaker than before. Fedora leader Max Spevack has presided over a crucial transformation of this important project; he will be moving on to other challenges early in 2008, but will be leaving behind a distribution in far better shape than the one he inherited a few years ago. ---- Distributions 2007 review http://lwn.net/Articles/262092/ "Fedora: Fedora made great strides in becoming true community distribution with the merger of Core and Extras. 2007 saw the release of both Fedora 7 and Fedora 8, both excellent desktops/workstations. Max Spevack led the project through the merger and announced his resignation at the end of the year. This week's DistroWatch had the comment that "despite all these positives, the distribution still fails to attract first-time Linux users who sometimes complain about the lack of a central configuration utility or the overly technical nature of the operating system." This led to a discussion on the Fedora Marketing list. There seems to be some agreement that Fedora does expect its users to be somewhat clueful, and that's the way we like it. " ---- Insufficiently Free? This one is primarily about the debate/flamewar between RMS and OpenBSD developers but mentions the nature of Free software distributions too. http://lwn.net/Articles/262400/ "Many of us will be using distributions like Fedora or Debian which are strongly committed to the creation of free systems. The developers behind these distributions have gone to considerable trouble to be sure that everything which is part of their system is truly free software, even when, as has happened at times, the result has been trouble for users. These distributors have clearly advanced the cause of free software greatly through their efforts over many years. One might well wonder just why Mr. Stallman cannot bring himself to recommend the result of this work. Rahul

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Red Hat’s Mugshot
by Rahul Sundaram 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Hi http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=154 "Today I discovered that Red Hat Linux has created a new social networking site call Mugshot. This site is promoted as an “open source” site. I checked the site FAQ to find out that all the software powering Mugshot is, in fact, open source. And indeed it is. The developer site for Mug Shot is right here. I have to say that I was hoping that the very idea of an open source social site would reach beyond the software being open source. I was thinking that maybe the development of the features and interface might also go, somehow, the way of open source. BUT - I am very pleased with what I have seen. This site, in my opinion, goes well beyond that of Myspace and Facebook. " Rahul

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Store SIG Meeting - 1/9
by Jeffrey Tadlock 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

As I will be unable to attend FUDcon this time around, I would like to have a brief Store SIG meeting this Wednesday (1/9) at our normally scheduled time, 18:00 UTC in #fedora-mktg. We will cover the open action items listed on the SIG page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store We are still looking for a volunteer for a mock up of the store.fedoraproject.org page. If you are interested, please stop by the meeting or email the list and we can answer any questions you may have. Thanks! Jeffrey

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Re: [Ambassadors] xing - Membership
by Francesco Crippa 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

----- "Gerold Kassube" <gerold(a)lugd.org> wrote: > Dear *, > > I created on XING (former openBC) a new "group" called "Fedora > Ambassadors" in which I want to invite you all to join. > > At the moment this group is only "modereated" by myself, but if you > willing also to do so, please let me know :-) > [...] +1 why don't we open a group also on Linkedin? There're a lot of "fedorans" in mugshot with a Linkedin account... and I think could be a good marketing opportunity to increase fedora visibility into social networks. If you agree (or not disagree) with this idea, I can try to open a new group. (I'm thinking about a script in order to automate mass-scale group subscription... ;-) let me know. Bye Francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Francesco Crippa http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa

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Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you
by Rahul Sundaram 07 Jan '08

07 Jan '08

Hi http://www.linux.com/feature/123869 "Monty says the Theora converter is "obsolete by 10 years," that he's now writing a "real encoder" for Theora, and that it will "be another couple of months until its mainline release." He also says a lot of the problems with the original Theora code and encoder aren't because they're buggy in the usual sense, but because the original codebase was "written by people who were self-taught," and that their lack of experience shows. On the Windows and DirectShow front, Monty says Xiph lost one of its most talented Windows coders -- he went to work for Microsoft -- and that one of his dreams is to be able to hire volunteer Xiph coder Timothy Terriberry to work on the project full-time. (Monty himself works for Red Hat on free media software.)" Rahul

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StoreSIG: Moving Forward
by Jeffrey Tadlock 06 Jan '08

06 Jan '08

With the holidays over and the new year started I wanted to bring this back up. For those not in the loop, I am referring to the Store SIG [1]. I know Max has been busy with FUDcon, so let's see what we can get done on this. A lot of this we should be able to piece together to the point of proposing a solution that we can run by Max and/or the Board. It looks like we have six open action items currently. * "Create mockup/requirements page on the wiki that starts laying out ideas for what a store.fedoraproject.org could look like." I don't think we have a mockup page out there yet. From the IRC meetings late last year I think we have a set of general requirements (still open for discussion at this point), which are: - A simple portal, we want to start simple with a page that helps get people to the right place. - The portal would include links off to a section for Fedora users who just want to order a T-shirt, key ring, stickers, etc. This link will most likely be to someone like Spreadshirt or REVELinux. There would also be link(s) off to a main distributor page listing who can provide Fedora Ambassadors with items in bulk. A distributor list has been already been started [2]. - The main portal page should highlight products from the store site we use for Fedora users - In summary, Max's vision for the portal was: "And I envision store.fp.o as being a fedora-branded page that kind of collects all this stuff up and presents it nicely" * "More in-depth chat with REVElinux as a potential distributor." I am not aware of this chat having happened yet. Does anyone know any different? Does anyone know what specifically we wanted to cover in this chat and work out? * "Publicize and populate the companies that Ambassadors have used to mass-produce Fedora items." - The initial page has been created and an email sent to the Ambassadors list asking for further additions. I will send another email out regarding this page so we can catch people back from the holidays now. The page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors * "Log in to http://fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net/ and see how it operates." I have looked around the site. If we can get a few others to do so and provide feedback that would be good. * "Make a list, based on geography, of potential online distributors." The current list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors Hearing additional feedback on the places listed would be helpful. * "Add to the list of proposed items." We have quite the list going here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/ProposedItems And this brings us to where we left off before the holidays. From where I type I see the following as the things we need to work on in order to continue forward. - We need a mockup of the portal page. Some basic requirements of the page are listed in this email. We have two names associated with the task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. - We need to determine which online vendor to set our store front up with. From our last chats I think the main front runners were Spreadshirt and REVELinux depending on the results of that conversation with them. This is still open for discussion, so please voice your input. Once those two items are figured out we should be well on our way to having a store portal page to help Fedora users and Fedora Ambassadors have a one-stop spot for getting Fedora merchandise. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors

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IcedTea 1.5 Adds PowerPC Java Port
by Rahul Sundaram 06 Jan '08

06 Jan '08

Hi, This is a pretty good news and a solid improvement over OpenJDK. http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=19105 "The IcedTea project added a PowerPC Java port (both 32 and 64 bit) of OpenJDK. IcedTea 1.5 now also tracks the mercurial repo, provides better GNU/Linux integration by using standard system libraries (libpng, libjpeg, zlib, giflib) and can be bootstrapped with the free gcj/ecj/classpath toolchain. OpenJDK just accepted a new porters group and Gary Benson wrote a guide to porting IcedTea that might be the start of a lot of other Java ports." Rahul

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Is Red Hat still relevant? You bet.
by Rahul Sundaram 05 Jan '08

05 Jan '08

Hi, http://www.montanalinux.org/redhat-relevent.html "Many Linux users don't seem to realize just how much Red Hat contributes back to the Linux community. They are major software developers on a number of projects not the least of which is the Linux kernel. The Fedora Project site has a page entitled Red Hat contributions to Free and Open Source software which lists most of Red Hat's contributions." Rahul

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"For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war"
by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira 05 Jan '08

05 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Very interesting! http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1848 Rodrigo Padula -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHezUlPg3HAC1vlg4RAidwAKCgAiz9HkqZleRPHotY7zfBeKf65wCeNhbe QhVM3DRzAvObXFv7HMqa9qo= =OxH7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fwd: closing out old bugs of unmaintained releases
by Jon Stanley 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

As part of a re-launch of the bug triage project [1,2], I believe that it would be beneficial to mass close the bugs that are for releases that are no longer maintained. Please find my proposal for this below. Sorry for cross-posting, but it's relevant across multiple communities within Fedora. I will be at FUDCon in order to discuss the very topic of the re-launch of the triage project. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-January/msg00009… [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-January/msg00000… ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com> Date: Jan 4, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: closing out old bugs of unmaintained releases To: fedora-advisory-board(a)redhat.com I can put some time this weekend into closing out old bugs, however, before doing so, I wanted to make sure that our messaging is crystal clear. What I had been doing for kernel bugs is placing them in NEEDINFO_REPORTER and asking if the problem still existed, etc after manually reviewing the bugs (some I changed to a current release because it was mentioned in comments, but not in the version metadata). However, this won't scale - there's no way that I or anybody else can reasonably review 3600 bugs for ones that are incorrectly tagged. This leaves us with ~9000 bugs (F7, F8, and rawhide) to deal with (still a monumental task). I propose doing something similar with rawhide bugs that haven't been touched in ~6 months, not sure of the number of those, haven't looked yet. Here's the proposed comment to WONTFIX these. I want to get the most input possible before doing this: <begin> Hello, Thank you for taking the time to report this bug. Unfortunately, this version of Fedora has reach end-of-life and is no longer maintained. Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle for an explanation of the Fedora lifecycle policy. We therefore regret the necessity of closing this bug report WONTFIX. Please upgrade to a currently maintained release of Fedora, currently either Fedora 7 or Fedora 8, and attempt to reproduce this bug. If the bug still exists, feel free to re-open this bug report, changing the version accordingly, or file a new bug report (you can use the 'Clone as Bug' link at the top of this bug report in order to preserve the content of this bug in the new one). We regret any inconvenience that this may cause you, and thank you for your continued support of Fedora! <end> I propose starting with FC6, since that recently reached EOL and people would be understanding about it (hopefully). Comments/thoughts/suggestions/flames welcome. -- Jon Stanley Fedora Ambassador jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org

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FOSDEM 08 FEDORA SPEAKERS
by Frederic Hornain 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

Dear *, The Fedora speakers recruitment for FOSDEM 08 started few weeks ago and I still not have any candidate from Fedora/Red Hat community -except Pawel for a presentation of Fedora - So, in order to be fair and nice with our friend of CentOs and FOSDEM visitors, I would need proposals from you. If you can spread the words... You can register at the Fedora FOSDEM 08 wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008 In addition, I have received a speaker proposition from someone outside of .Fedora community. For my part, I think it is not a bad idea to let one session from outside in oder to have other Fedora experiences returns What do you think about that ? Best Regards Frederic Hornain http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain

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dormant bugs and our perception
by Jon Stanley 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure alot of us are on both. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <bugzilla(a)redhat.com> Date: Dec 31, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [Bug 204883] Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) To: jonstanley(a)gmail.com Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204883 grgoffe(a)yahoo.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Flag|needinfo?(grgoffe(a)yahoo.com)| ------- Additional Comments From grgoffe(a)yahoo.com 2007-12-31 18:48 EST ------- Jon, Thanks for your input. I've pretty much given up with my efforts to further the Fedora cause. Here are my reasons: 1) I opened this case OVER a year ago. NO responses til now. Not exactly what I would call a timely response I'm sure you'll agree. 2) I have joined several of the fedora lists (fedora-dev comes to mind off the top of my head. I have posted to the list several times but have NOT received any responses except from Rahul. I'm NOT a developer but I HAVE a lot of experience working with systems (> 40 years) of all kinds. I will NEVER tell anyone that I know it all because I just don't. I do expect to be listened to when I request info or make a suggestion. EVEN if it's just to tell me to go to hell. This is not unreasonable, I do listen AND reply to other people when they address me. I just expect the same treatment. Regards, George... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. -- Jon Stanley Fedora Ambassador jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org

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Installing Fedora 8 on Hyper-V
by Rahul Sundaram 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

Hi Microsoft developer's article about Fedora as a guest in a Windows virtualized environment. http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/12/31/installing-fedora-c… Rahul

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Fedora 9 Feature Status
by John Poelstra 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

Happy New Year! I've updated http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Dashboard to reflect the latest proposed features. Lots of good things are happening. I've added a new section for features I've found on the wiki that say that they are targeted for Fedora 9, yet haven't been brought forward for official acceptance. In many cases the feature pages are really close, yet some sections are still blank. In order to have your feature accepted for Fedora 9 it does not have to be fully complete at this time. A completed feature page (all sections--including "not applicable" as necessary) is needed by so that FESCo has all the information it needs for consideration. The accepted feature page for Fedora 9 continues to grow here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList Thank you feature page owners and Fedora innovators! John

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Image licence required by wikipedia
by Thomas Canniot 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

Hi everybody I uploaded this image [1] on the French Fedora Wikipedia page [2] and I received this message [3]. Where can I get the required info ? Thanks 1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiGraphics?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=… 2: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora 3: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrTom&diff=0&oldid…

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Fedora 10 Presentations
by Markus McLaughlin 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

Happy 2008! We have six to eight months on how to best put out the word about Fedora 10! I think small Newspaper ADs showing the NEW Fedora 10 Logo and what event would present it might be the way to go! Something like a type of Expo that shows what Fedora 10 AND Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 can do for a home, small business, or enterprise. There should be give- aways of Fedora 10 with a DEMO of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 attached! There should be low cost laptops, desktops, & servers sold there that can run Fedora or Red Hat. There should be inexpensive sweatshirts, t-shirts, baseball caps, & usb flash drives all bearing either the Fedora 10 Logo or the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Logo. There should be sausage, hot dogs, popcorn, brownies, and soda available to all who come, with the proceeds going to the OLPC project. Fedora 10 must be on par with Ubuntu 8 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 that can run older Windoze Games, has optional MAC OS X-like features, a longer life cycle, GIMP 2.6, OpenOffice 2.4, GNOME 2.22 or 2.4, Audacity, KompoZer, Inkscape, Scribus, and some type of Video Editor. I hope I can get some insight and/or help about starting a Linux Magazine right here in Boston! I contacted Karlie Robinson at on-disk.com about such a bold project! It's important that a North American based Linux Magazine is available on newsstands everywhere! Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA

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Fedora Core (doing time)
by Marc Wiriadisastra 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

Quite a funny read. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Core If you have time and have a sense of humor read the bits about other distro's as well. Especially Debian's one. Cheers, Marc

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Multiple distro reviews
by Valent Turkovic 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

In this multiple disto review: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071203#review Fedora got second worst score, I can't imagine why but still I wanted to share the link. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

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