January 2008 - [MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing

comparison of ambassadors list and marketing list
by Max Spevack 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

For what it's worth: ambassadors-list == 272 members marketing-list == 393 members 202 people are on both lists. I do not attempt to draw any conclusions from this data. I will leave that to others. --Max

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Video: Alan Cox on community and the enterprise.
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

Hi Interesting and concise descriptions of a lot of things. Alan Cox on his involvement in the Linux kernel, working for Red Hat, the value of enterprises, subscription model, staying true to Free software, birth of Fedora and even more. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/14/666/ http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_Alan_Cox_on_community_and_the_enterprise/ Rahul

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Fedora 9 and KDE 4.0.0 in distrowatch article
by Sebastian Vahl 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

A distrowatch article collects some informations about the recently released KDE 4.0.0. But they seems to be a little bit confused about the different spins. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080114 "The Fedora distribution has traditionally been focusing on GNOME as its preferred desktop environments, but with the increasing community participation in the project, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that KDE 4.0.0 is now included in "rawhide" (Fedora's development branch). Not only that, it also appears to be the default KDE (KDE 3.5.8 is present as well, but these packages have been renamed to kdebase3, kdelibs3, etc.). Moreover, the Fedora community has released an installable Fedora live CD containing a base system from the latest rawhide + KDE 4.0.0 - a good way to evaluate the progress Fedora has made since the release of version 8. The live CD is available for download from here: rawhide-KDE4-i686-20080109.4.iso (694MB, SHA1)." Sebastian

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Fedora 9
by Marc Wiriadisastra 14 Jan '08

14 Jan '08

I know there was discussions about what was going to occur by Fedora 9. Can we add some content to here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule Cheers, Marc

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FedoraFamily
by Clint Savage 14 Jan '08

14 Jan '08

Per a discussion with a couple people in #fudcon today, I am sending out an email regarding a discussion that was held at FUDCon this weekend. One of the first sessions I attended was the "Getting your parents to use Fedora" session, which discussed techniques and ideas for helping your family members and friends successfully install and run Fedora. We had quite a lively discussion and a few good ideas were brought up from this discussion. Because of this, I've started a wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraFamily to help collaborate on this issue. If you were involved in this discussion, or would like to participate, I would appreciate your help... Cheers, Clint

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Upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit Fedora Linux without a system reinstall
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi Not sure if this is worth the effort. Maybe we should look at making the transition more easier. http://www.linux.com/feature/123800 "Updating from Fedora 7 i386 to Fedora 8 x86_64 isn't supported, and many folks will tell you to just reinstall in order to move to a 64-bit Linux. However, I managed to resolve the main problems when doing a yum update in a single day. Your mileage will vary depending on what third-party repositories you're using, how much software you've installed by hand, and how dependent your software is on the system libraries." Rahul

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FUDCon
by Jonathan Roberts 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

To all FUDCon attendees - I realise you're all going to be really busy and enjoying it all (just looked over the schedules and it looks like it should be *awesome*) but... Anybody with an interest in marketing there think we should see about putting together reports about what's going on in the hackfests? Or is something like this already being done? This is my own particular focus and if I was there I'd probably be annoying everyone asking questions about their work all the time! Definitely think this is the kind of stuff that needs promotion... Also any information about any of it for promotional purposes would be great!! Sorry if people are already doing it - wish I could have made it myself... Best wishes, Jon

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Fedora gets a new project leader
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9849461-16.html?tag=head "Isn't it interesting that someone could have such a big impact on Red Hat as Paul has...without working for Red Hat? That's the power of open source. Merit before bureaucracy." Rahul

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Fedora 8 review (Russian)
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/107 Rough translation of the summary: "Until recently, I must admit I was not very fond of Fedora as a desktop system but we can say Fedora 8 surpassed all my expectations. All equipment is configured out of the box, the defaults are picked up with taste and menus are all in place. The settings are simple and understandable. The developers have managed to add stability to the system and pay greater attention to security issues. Well Fedora 8 justifies it's title. It really changed my attitude to it. Linux forever!" Rahul

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FUDCon Raleigh 2008 Video
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Jan '08

13 Jan '08

Hi Matt Domsch from Dell talks about his long term involvmement in Fedora and his current work on mirror manager software. J5 and Karsten Wade from Red Hat talks making developers efficient and lowering barrier to entry and J5's new project called MyFedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/MirrorManager http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora http://www.linux.com/feature/124570 "This is a special edition of Weekly Wire, made on location at the Fedora User and Developers Conference (FUDCon) in Raleigh, N. Carolina. This video gives you a look at how FUDCon operates and introduces you to some of the participants." Rahul

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New Fedora Project Leader! Digg it up.
by Mike McGrath 12 Jan '08

12 Jan '08

http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_Project_Hires_New_Leader -Mike

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LWN articles on Fedora
by Rahul Sundaram 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Hi Looking back at 2007 http://lwn.net/Articles/262653/ "Fedora will come into its own as a free, community-oriented distribution" has, beyond any doubt, come true. The Fedora 7 release brought community developers in from the margins, and Fedora 8 solidified the new process. The bulk of the packages in Fedora are now maintained by community developers. Red Hat's controlling hand, while still clearly present, is weaker than before. Fedora leader Max Spevack has presided over a crucial transformation of this important project; he will be moving on to other challenges early in 2008, but will be leaving behind a distribution in far better shape than the one he inherited a few years ago. ---- Distributions 2007 review http://lwn.net/Articles/262092/ "Fedora: Fedora made great strides in becoming true community distribution with the merger of Core and Extras. 2007 saw the release of both Fedora 7 and Fedora 8, both excellent desktops/workstations. Max Spevack led the project through the merger and announced his resignation at the end of the year. This week's DistroWatch had the comment that "despite all these positives, the distribution still fails to attract first-time Linux users who sometimes complain about the lack of a central configuration utility or the overly technical nature of the operating system." This led to a discussion on the Fedora Marketing list. There seems to be some agreement that Fedora does expect its users to be somewhat clueful, and that's the way we like it. " ---- Insufficiently Free? This one is primarily about the debate/flamewar between RMS and OpenBSD developers but mentions the nature of Free software distributions too. http://lwn.net/Articles/262400/ "Many of us will be using distributions like Fedora or Debian which are strongly committed to the creation of free systems. The developers behind these distributions have gone to considerable trouble to be sure that everything which is part of their system is truly free software, even when, as has happened at times, the result has been trouble for users. These distributors have clearly advanced the cause of free software greatly through their efforts over many years. One might well wonder just why Mr. Stallman cannot bring himself to recommend the result of this work. Rahul

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Red Hat’s Mugshot
by Rahul Sundaram 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Hi http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=154 "Today I discovered that Red Hat Linux has created a new social networking site call Mugshot. This site is promoted as an “open source” site. I checked the site FAQ to find out that all the software powering Mugshot is, in fact, open source. And indeed it is. The developer site for Mug Shot is right here. I have to say that I was hoping that the very idea of an open source social site would reach beyond the software being open source. I was thinking that maybe the development of the features and interface might also go, somehow, the way of open source. BUT - I am very pleased with what I have seen. This site, in my opinion, goes well beyond that of Myspace and Facebook. " Rahul

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Store SIG Meeting - 1/9
by Jeffrey Tadlock 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

As I will be unable to attend FUDcon this time around, I would like to have a brief Store SIG meeting this Wednesday (1/9) at our normally scheduled time, 18:00 UTC in #fedora-mktg. We will cover the open action items listed on the SIG page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store We are still looking for a volunteer for a mock up of the store.fedoraproject.org page. If you are interested, please stop by the meeting or email the list and we can answer any questions you may have. Thanks! Jeffrey

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Re: [Ambassadors] xing - Membership
by Francesco Crippa 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

----- "Gerold Kassube" <gerold(a)lugd.org> wrote: > Dear *, > > I created on XING (former openBC) a new "group" called "Fedora > Ambassadors" in which I want to invite you all to join. > > At the moment this group is only "modereated" by myself, but if you > willing also to do so, please let me know :-) > [...] +1 why don't we open a group also on Linkedin? There're a lot of "fedorans" in mugshot with a Linkedin account... and I think could be a good marketing opportunity to increase fedora visibility into social networks. If you agree (or not disagree) with this idea, I can try to open a new group. (I'm thinking about a script in order to automate mass-scale group subscription... ;-) let me know. Bye Francesco -- -------------------------------------------- Francesco Crippa http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa

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Improved Ogg Theora coming soon to an Internet near you
by Rahul Sundaram 07 Jan '08

07 Jan '08

Hi http://www.linux.com/feature/123869 "Monty says the Theora converter is "obsolete by 10 years," that he's now writing a "real encoder" for Theora, and that it will "be another couple of months until its mainline release." He also says a lot of the problems with the original Theora code and encoder aren't because they're buggy in the usual sense, but because the original codebase was "written by people who were self-taught," and that their lack of experience shows. On the Windows and DirectShow front, Monty says Xiph lost one of its most talented Windows coders -- he went to work for Microsoft -- and that one of his dreams is to be able to hire volunteer Xiph coder Timothy Terriberry to work on the project full-time. (Monty himself works for Red Hat on free media software.)" Rahul

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StoreSIG: Moving Forward
by Jeffrey Tadlock 07 Jan '08

07 Jan '08

With the holidays over and the new year started I wanted to bring this back up. For those not in the loop, I am referring to the Store SIG [1]. I know Max has been busy with FUDcon, so let's see what we can get done on this. A lot of this we should be able to piece together to the point of proposing a solution that we can run by Max and/or the Board. It looks like we have six open action items currently. * "Create mockup/requirements page on the wiki that starts laying out ideas for what a store.fedoraproject.org could look like." I don't think we have a mockup page out there yet. From the IRC meetings late last year I think we have a set of general requirements (still open for discussion at this point), which are: - A simple portal, we want to start simple with a page that helps get people to the right place. - The portal would include links off to a section for Fedora users who just want to order a T-shirt, key ring, stickers, etc. This link will most likely be to someone like Spreadshirt or REVELinux. There would also be link(s) off to a main distributor page listing who can provide Fedora Ambassadors with items in bulk. A distributor list has been already been started [2]. - The main portal page should highlight products from the store site we use for Fedora users - In summary, Max's vision for the portal was: "And I envision store.fp.o as being a fedora-branded page that kind of collects all this stuff up and presents it nicely" * "More in-depth chat with REVElinux as a potential distributor." I am not aware of this chat having happened yet. Does anyone know any different? Does anyone know what specifically we wanted to cover in this chat and work out? * "Publicize and populate the companies that Ambassadors have used to mass-produce Fedora items." - The initial page has been created and an email sent to the Ambassadors list asking for further additions. I will send another email out regarding this page so we can catch people back from the holidays now. The page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors * "Log in to http://fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net/ and see how it operates." I have looked around the site. If we can get a few others to do so and provide feedback that would be good. * "Make a list, based on geography, of potential online distributors." The current list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors Hearing additional feedback on the places listed would be helpful. * "Add to the list of proposed items." We have quite the list going here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/ProposedItems And this brings us to where we left off before the holidays. From where I type I see the following as the things we need to work on in order to continue forward. - We need a mockup of the portal page. Some basic requirements of the page are listed in this email. We have two names associated with the task now, one of which is Max who I am sure is swamped. My mockup skills are near non-existent, but I can work on getting the general requirements up on the Wiki for reference. If anyone wants to jump in and help with a basic mockup, that would be much appreciated. - We need to determine which online vendor to set our store front up with. From our last chats I think the main front runners were Spreadshirt and REVELinux depending on the results of that conversation with them. This is still open for discussion, so please voice your input. Once those two items are figured out we should be well on our way to having a store portal page to help Fedora users and Fedora Ambassadors have a one-stop spot for getting Fedora merchandise. Thanks! Jeffrey [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorVendors

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IcedTea 1.5 Adds PowerPC Java Port
by Rahul Sundaram 06 Jan '08

06 Jan '08

Hi, This is a pretty good news and a solid improvement over OpenJDK. http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=19105 "The IcedTea project added a PowerPC Java port (both 32 and 64 bit) of OpenJDK. IcedTea 1.5 now also tracks the mercurial repo, provides better GNU/Linux integration by using standard system libraries (libpng, libjpeg, zlib, giflib) and can be bootstrapped with the free gcj/ecj/classpath toolchain. OpenJDK just accepted a new porters group and Gary Benson wrote a guide to porting IcedTea that might be the start of a lot of other Java ports." Rahul

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Is Red Hat still relevant? You bet.
by Rahul Sundaram 05 Jan '08

05 Jan '08

Hi, http://www.montanalinux.org/redhat-relevent.html "Many Linux users don't seem to realize just how much Red Hat contributes back to the Linux community. They are major software developers on a number of projects not the least of which is the Linux kernel. The Fedora Project site has a page entitled Red Hat contributions to Free and Open Source software which lists most of Red Hat's contributions." Rahul

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"For 2008 media will create Red Hat-Ubuntu war"
by Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira 05 Jan '08

05 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Very interesting! http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1848 Rodrigo Padula -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHezUlPg3HAC1vlg4RAidwAKCgAiz9HkqZleRPHotY7zfBeKf65wCeNhbe QhVM3DRzAvObXFv7HMqa9qo= =OxH7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fwd: closing out old bugs of unmaintained releases
by Jon Stanley 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

As part of a re-launch of the bug triage project [1,2], I believe that it would be beneficial to mass close the bugs that are for releases that are no longer maintained. Please find my proposal for this below. Sorry for cross-posting, but it's relevant across multiple communities within Fedora. I will be at FUDCon in order to discuss the very topic of the re-launch of the triage project. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-January/msg00009… [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-January/msg00000… ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com> Date: Jan 4, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: closing out old bugs of unmaintained releases To: fedora-advisory-board(a)redhat.com I can put some time this weekend into closing out old bugs, however, before doing so, I wanted to make sure that our messaging is crystal clear. What I had been doing for kernel bugs is placing them in NEEDINFO_REPORTER and asking if the problem still existed, etc after manually reviewing the bugs (some I changed to a current release because it was mentioned in comments, but not in the version metadata). However, this won't scale - there's no way that I or anybody else can reasonably review 3600 bugs for ones that are incorrectly tagged. This leaves us with ~9000 bugs (F7, F8, and rawhide) to deal with (still a monumental task). I propose doing something similar with rawhide bugs that haven't been touched in ~6 months, not sure of the number of those, haven't looked yet. Here's the proposed comment to WONTFIX these. I want to get the most input possible before doing this: <begin> Hello, Thank you for taking the time to report this bug. Unfortunately, this version of Fedora has reach end-of-life and is no longer maintained. Please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle for an explanation of the Fedora lifecycle policy. We therefore regret the necessity of closing this bug report WONTFIX. Please upgrade to a currently maintained release of Fedora, currently either Fedora 7 or Fedora 8, and attempt to reproduce this bug. If the bug still exists, feel free to re-open this bug report, changing the version accordingly, or file a new bug report (you can use the 'Clone as Bug' link at the top of this bug report in order to preserve the content of this bug in the new one). We regret any inconvenience that this may cause you, and thank you for your continued support of Fedora! <end> I propose starting with FC6, since that recently reached EOL and people would be understanding about it (hopefully). Comments/thoughts/suggestions/flames welcome. -- Jon Stanley Fedora Ambassador jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org

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FOSDEM 08 FEDORA SPEAKERS
by Frederic Hornain 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

Dear *, The Fedora speakers recruitment for FOSDEM 08 started few weeks ago and I still not have any candidate from Fedora/Red Hat community -except Pawel for a presentation of Fedora - So, in order to be fair and nice with our friend of CentOs and FOSDEM visitors, I would need proposals from you. If you can spread the words... You can register at the Fedora FOSDEM 08 wiki page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2008 In addition, I have received a speaker proposition from someone outside of .Fedora community. For my part, I think it is not a bad idea to let one session from outside in oder to have other Fedora experiences returns What do you think about that ? Best Regards Frederic Hornain http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FredericHornain

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dormant bugs and our perception
by Jon Stanley 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a reporter. While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a problem for us rather than QA - though probably both, and I'm sure alot of us are on both. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <bugzilla(a)redhat.com> Date: Dec 31, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [Bug 204883] Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) To: jonstanley(a)gmail.com Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Boot fails in insmod after upgrade from fc5 (x86) to fc6t2 (x86_64) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204883 grgoffe(a)yahoo.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Flag|needinfo?(grgoffe(a)yahoo.com)| ------- Additional Comments From grgoffe(a)yahoo.com 2007-12-31 18:48 EST ------- Jon, Thanks for your input. I've pretty much given up with my efforts to further the Fedora cause. Here are my reasons: 1) I opened this case OVER a year ago. NO responses til now. Not exactly what I would call a timely response I'm sure you'll agree. 2) I have joined several of the fedora lists (fedora-dev comes to mind off the top of my head. I have posted to the list several times but have NOT received any responses except from Rahul. I'm NOT a developer but I HAVE a lot of experience working with systems (> 40 years) of all kinds. I will NEVER tell anyone that I know it all because I just don't. I do expect to be listened to when I request info or make a suggestion. EVEN if it's just to tell me to go to hell. This is not unreasonable, I do listen AND reply to other people when they address me. I just expect the same treatment. Regards, George... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. -- Jon Stanley Fedora Ambassador jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org

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Installing Fedora 8 on Hyper-V
by Rahul Sundaram 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

Hi Microsoft developer's article about Fedora as a guest in a Windows virtualized environment. http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/12/31/installing-fedora-c… Rahul

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Fedora 9 Feature Status
by John Poelstra 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

Happy New Year! I've updated http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Dashboard to reflect the latest proposed features. Lots of good things are happening. I've added a new section for features I've found on the wiki that say that they are targeted for Fedora 9, yet haven't been brought forward for official acceptance. In many cases the feature pages are really close, yet some sections are still blank. In order to have your feature accepted for Fedora 9 it does not have to be fully complete at this time. A completed feature page (all sections--including "not applicable" as necessary) is needed by so that FESCo has all the information it needs for consideration. The accepted feature page for Fedora 9 continues to grow here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList Thank you feature page owners and Fedora innovators! John

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Image licence required by wikipedia
by Thomas Canniot 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

Hi everybody I uploaded this image [1] on the French Fedora Wikipedia page [2] and I received this message [3]. Where can I get the required info ? Thanks 1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiGraphics?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=… 2: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora 3: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrTom&diff=0&oldid…

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Fedora 10 Presentations
by Markus McLaughlin 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

Happy 2008! We have six to eight months on how to best put out the word about Fedora 10! I think small Newspaper ADs showing the NEW Fedora 10 Logo and what event would present it might be the way to go! Something like a type of Expo that shows what Fedora 10 AND Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 can do for a home, small business, or enterprise. There should be give- aways of Fedora 10 with a DEMO of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 attached! There should be low cost laptops, desktops, & servers sold there that can run Fedora or Red Hat. There should be inexpensive sweatshirts, t-shirts, baseball caps, & usb flash drives all bearing either the Fedora 10 Logo or the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Logo. There should be sausage, hot dogs, popcorn, brownies, and soda available to all who come, with the proceeds going to the OLPC project. Fedora 10 must be on par with Ubuntu 8 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 that can run older Windoze Games, has optional MAC OS X-like features, a longer life cycle, GIMP 2.6, OpenOffice 2.4, GNOME 2.22 or 2.4, Audacity, KompoZer, Inkscape, Scribus, and some type of Video Editor. I hope I can get some insight and/or help about starting a Linux Magazine right here in Boston! I contacted Karlie Robinson at on-disk.com about such a bold project! It's important that a North American based Linux Magazine is available on newsstands everywhere! Mark McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA

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Fedora Core (doing time)
by Marc Wiriadisastra 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

Quite a funny read. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Core If you have time and have a sense of humor read the bits about other distro's as well. Especially Debian's one. Cheers, Marc

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Multiple distro reviews
by Valent Turkovic 01 Jan '08

01 Jan '08

In this multiple disto review: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071203#review Fedora got second worst score, I can't imagine why but still I wanted to share the link. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

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[MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing January 2008