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IBM Teams with Linux Distros, Promises Windows-Free PC by 2009
by Saadaldine AlSaidi 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

I read this news, and I just wanted to ask where are we "As fedora" in this campaign, knowing that RedHat is also taking part. http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/njl/?p=237&nr=LOS -- Saadaldine AlSaidi IT Manager AlShora International Tayyouneh Rotary Old Saida Road - Princess Buldg. Beirut - Lebanon Tel: +961 1 391140 Fax: +961 1 381140 Mob: +961 3 934285

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LinuxWorld Video: Karsten Wade on Fedora
by Rahul Sundaram 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

Hi http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/linuxworld_video_karsten_wade_on_… "Fedora Community Manager Karsten Wade describes the highlights of the past year and gazes into the future of the Fedora Project" Rahul

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FOSSCON in San Diego, California
by Larry Cafiero 11 Aug '08

11 Aug '08

Is Fedora going to be at this event? If so, I can probably staff a booth there. http://fosscon.org/ Larry Cafiero http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Lcafiero

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[Linux Day Italy] Fedora Distribution Kit
by Luca Foppiano 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

Hi all, I'm Luca and, with other Italian ambassadors I'm organizing Linux Day 2008 (planned on October 25th). A more detailed description can be founded here [1][2]. Italian Linux day is distributed and a more bit complicated than centalized events like, for example, Linux Tag. We wish to deliver to every events (but we most probably reduce it on a subset due to budget and interest) a box that contains all necessary to build a fedora USB station (It's like Ikea [4] furniture). We need to decide a nice name for the box, right now the proposal are: * fedora starter kit * fedora distribution kit * fedora usb kit which name do you prefer? if you have another ideas about it, just write it ;-) We need also artworks; I spoke with Samuele Storari about it and he was very enthusiast ;-) I also made a request here [3] which i composed by: * box artwork: a small sticker, which will be attached on container box (probably we need a new logo, or something can remember people this product) * DVD artwork (same of above) * Fedora 10 USB kit artwork (which will similar to fedora 9 arwork but with new fedora theme, when will be ready ;-)) I haven't any idea about what we can represent on artworks. I hope you can help us. Thanks in advance for all feedback Luca [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00320.… [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxDay/LinuxDay2008 [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_USB_Distributio… [4] http://www.ikea.com/ -- Today is Boomtime, the 3rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks.

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Linux patent pool to push for 'defensive publication'
by Rahul Sundaram 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

Hi, http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/080808-linux-patent-pool-to-push.html "The more we can mobilize this community, the fewer patents that will actually be granted," said Keith Bergelt, who recently became CEO of the Open Invention Network. "Whatever happens in the patent reform world in the next [U.S.] administration is great, but we have to act now to stop the granting of patents that threaten Linux and open-source in general." Rahul

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Why Microsoft and Intel tried to kill the XO $100 laptop
by Rahul Sundaram 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

Hi http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4472654.ece "Negroponte had also hooked a spectacular range of backers: Red Hat, Google, AMD, Brightstar and News Corporation (the parent company of The Sunday Times). These each contributed $2m upfront and then a further $500,000. All the companies put in money as sponsorship rather than investment" "Microsoft may have used words and a refusal to co-operate as its weapons against the XO; Intel used brute force. The company dominates global computer hardware in the way that Microsoft dominates the software. And, like Microsoft, it is a fierce protector of its ascendancy. " Rahul

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Fwd: Proposing fedora to govt dept
by Vidur Mittal 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

HI, I am trying to give presentation of FEDORA to few of the govt. deptt.. I am trying to make a presentation over fedora i want all the team to come forward and help in this regards.The points which i am thinking to include in presentation are as follows: 1. Objective 2. Benefits 3.Comparison between Windows and Linux 4.Comparison between different flavour of Unix 5.Why use fedora 6.A short introduction of redhat and fedora project 7.Help and support of fedora. Now i want every one to come and help me in this regards so that i can complete the presentation. Please also guide me that i have included all the point for the presentation. Thanks in advance -- With Best Regards Vidur Mittal Meerut

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Comedy: On Art and, Specifically, Fedora Art Concepts
by Rahul Sundaram 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Hi http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/07/comedy-on-art-and-specifically-fed… " It is interesting to look at the differences in the styles of different distributions. This is often best represented in looking at the art proposals for upcoming versions of various distributions. For example, a typical theme proposal for Fedora looks something like this: “I was laying in my hammock one night gazing up at the infinite stars when suddenly an idea occurred to me. Gazing out at the vastness of the stars, it seemed to be that those stars perfectly represented Fedora, since Fedora 9 was called “Sulfur” and there has got to be some sulfur out there somewhere.” A typical Ubuntu art submission, on the other hand, looks more like this: “ubuntu rulz!!! see my awesum desktop: ubuntu should totally look like dis” Rahul

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Meeting Summary 2008-08-07
by David Nalley 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Attendees Paul Frields (stickster) led the meeting and the following attended: * ke4qqq, David Nalley * ianweller, Ian Weller * mizmo, Mairin Duffy * rharrison, Russell Harrison * kushal, Kushal Das * ria, Ria Das * tw2113, Michael Beckwith * mether, Rahul Sundaram Meeting Summary * David Nalley stated that he was a few days behind schedule with the next installment of blog posts on the Four Foundations, but that it should be out by Friday. * Mairin Duffy indicated that a rough mock up of the drawing idea had been done for the new steamboat-themed Four Foundations posters, but that work still remained to 'graphic-ify' the images. * Rahul Sundaram indicated that he had not heard from Jon Roberts regarding reusing overview and release summary. * Mairin Duffy provided an update on stickers. Essentially a single quote is still outstanding and an email reminder would be sent. * On the instanbul videos front, Michael Beckwith stepped back from leading that effort due to time and interest constraints. Kushal Das announced that he was working on a PyQt4 series of videos and might explore 'Maintaining a Package' as his next series. * Michael Beckwith said he'd look at the possibility of working on docs.fp.o CSS. See summary and log here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_2008-08-07

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Meeting Log
by David Nalley 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

My apologies for sending it to the docs list Summary to follow [15:04] <stickster> <meeting> [15:04] <stickster> Roll call! [15:04] <ke4qqq> DavidNalley [15:05] * ianweller [15:05] <stickster> Is mizmo around? [15:05] <mizmo> hiii [15:05] <stickster> eeeeeeggscellent. [15:06] <stickster> And I'm Paul Frields. [15:06] <ianweller> :-o [15:06] <stickster> You might remember me from such hit shows as, "Bosom Buddies." [15:06] * rharrison accounts for himself [15:06] <stickster> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks [15:06] <stickster> There's our task list. [15:07] <mizmo> im mizmo. u might remember me as the girl in the funny hat in the video on redhatmagazine.com right now :-p [15:07] <stickster> mizmo: baby ur a star [15:07] <kushal> KushalDas [15:07] <stickster> (That was my Prince voice, but you couldn't hear it from there.) [15:07] <mizmo> lol [15:07] <stickster> OK. Unless someone has an objection, [15:07] <stickster> I'm going to start down the priority 1 items on the task list. [15:07] <kushal> stickster, thank you a lot for the nice microphone [15:08] <stickster> kushal: You're welcome. :-) [15:08] <stickster> kushal: Now go out and produce thee some videos! :-) [15:08] <kushal> stickster, working on them :) [15:08] <stickster> OK, I see that task #1 on our list is the 4 foundations posts. [15:08] <stickster> ke4qqq: I think you did a second one already, yes? [15:08] <ke4qqq> yes [15:09] <stickster> ke4qqq: slap that URL in here, I'll capture it to the page too. [15:09] <ke4qqq> next will be done by tomorrow [15:09] <ke4qqq> http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 [15:10] <stickster> Awesome. That's "Features"? [15:10] <ke4qqq> yes, Features is next - rough draft already done, just needs to be cleaned up a bit [15:10] <stickster> ke4qqq: Let me know if you need any supplementary info -- since poelcat and I work on that pretty much daily or so. [15:10] <ke4qqq> k [15:11] <stickster> Well, that's well underway, so on to the next item, unless there are objections or questions about the 4 Foundations [15:11] <stickster> OK. [15:11] <ria> Ria Das [15:11] <stickster> Hi Ria, thanks for coming. [15:11] <stickster> mizmo: The next item is one that we discussed a bit in Artwork [15:11] <ria> :) [15:11] <mizmo> posterz!!11 [15:11] <ianweller> nowai [15:12] <stickster> There had been some brainstorming, and it included... STEAMBOATZ! [15:12] <mizmo> yeh [15:12] <ianweller> steamboatz????// [15:12] <mizmo> i think the consensus was that we want a more graphic and less photo feel [15:12] <mizmo> so i gotta get offs my duff and graphic-ify [15:12] <stickster> What was really interesting to me was that you guys came up with some killer ideas for how to tie the boats into each of the foundations [15:13] <stickster> With Freedom, it was just the idea of boating down the river, unfettered [15:13] <stickster> (or ocean) [15:13] <ianweller> a giant boat sitting on a earth thing [15:13] <stickster> This struck a deep chord with me because I *just* got done reading "Huck Finn" with my daughter. [15:13] <stickster> ianweller: Failboat? [15:13] <ianweller> heh [15:14] <stickster> The freedom of Huck and Jim rafting down the river was a big theme in that novel. [15:14] <stickster> So anyhow... [15:14] <stickster> Friends was the crew all having a beer on deck, or pulling oars together, or something to that effect [15:14] <stickster> Features was the awesomeness of the engine room [15:14] <stickster> And Future was landing on the destination island, for example. [15:15] * stickster shuts up and lets mizmo pontificate now [15:15] <mizmo> well [15:15] <stickster> oops, one other thing: some of those ideas may have been mine, so if they suck, blame me. [15:15] <mizmo> i think the status is just that we gotta do it [15:15] <mizmo> which was the status last week [15:15] <stickster> :-D [15:15] <mizmo> except this week we gots a rough mock for one [15:15] <mizmo> :) [15:16] <stickster> mizmo: If you or some other intrepid artiste can establish a "look" for one, the others might be easier to fall into place from other helpers [15:17] <mizmo> yep i hope os! [15:17] <mizmo> s/os/so [15:17] <stickster> superb [15:17] --> tw2113 has joined this channel (n=tw2113(a)host-17-36-107-208-static.midco.net) [15:18] <stickster> Is JonRob around? [15:18] <stickster> I think not. [15:18] [Error] JonRob: No such nick/channel. [15:18] <ianweller> i also think not [15:18] <stickster> Great minds think alike, apparently, since he ain't here. [15:18] <stickster> OK then. [15:19] <stickster> *skritch skritch skratch* [15:19] <tw2113> meeting isn't it? [15:19] <stickster> If mether were around, he could tell us whether JonRob talked to him. [15:19] <stickster> tw2113: Yes, welcome! [15:19] <mether> stickster: whats the discussion about [15:19] <tw2113> split shift today so i get to come in late and possibly make the rest of it [15:20] <stickster> mether: Did JonRob talk to you about reusability of the Release Notes Overview in the Release Summary? [15:20] <stickster> That was his banner to take up. [15:20] <mether> nope [15:20] <stickster> OK. [15:20] <mether> not offlist atleast [15:21] <stickster> We'll just have to give that a miss this time, then. He had a sort of master plan in mind and I don't really know what it entailed. [15:21] <stickster> ke4qqq: If you could CC JonRob on the summary, and include that bit for his benefit, it would be a big help [15:21] <stickster> Thanks! [15:22] <stickster> Oops, gotta call mizmo on the carpet yet again then. [15:22] <stickster> OMZG STICKERZ!!!!!1!!! [15:22] <mizmo> stickster, OMGZ!!!11 [15:22] <mizmo> stickster, yeh so ive been a bad girl here [15:22] <mizmo> stickster, um gdk met someone at oscon who does stickers and who is also a fedora fan [15:23] <mizmo> i emailed him last week for quotes, he said he'd look into it but hasn't gotten back to me yet so ill send him a reminder today [15:23] <tw2113> zomg [15:23] <tw2113> :D [15:23] <stickster> OK, fair enough. I hadn't seen the new, better-for-diecutting version yet [15:23] <stickster> *very* nice! [15:23] <ianweller> only nitpicky thing i say: why are there colons after "write your own"? [15:24] *** adrianalves is now known as adrianalves|away. [15:24] <stickster> ianweller: Better digestion? [15:24] * ianweller sticks one of the blank stickers on stickster's forehead and writes "better digestion" in the bubble [15:25] <kushal> :) [15:25] <ianweller> :P [15:25] <ianweller> but seriousl. [15:25] <ianweller> seriously* [15:25] <stickster> Looks like an easy enough fix in inkscape [15:25] <-- mthompson has left this server ("l8r"). [15:27] <stickster> OK, without JonRob that's really the end of the priority 1 tasks. [15:27] <stickster> tw2113: Since you're here, want to talk about the first task on the priority 2 list? [15:27] <tw2113> ack, not sure what it is [15:27] <kushal> stickster, I have few input for Fedora TV [15:27] <tw2113> link plz [15:27] <kushal> tw2113, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks [15:27] <stickster> tw2113: See the task list --> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks#Active_.28Assigned.29_Tasks [15:28] <stickster> Oh, thanks kushal :-) [15:28] <kushal> :) [15:28] <stickster> kushal: In the meantime, yes, please talk about Fedora TV. [15:28] <mizmo> write your own: [15:28] <mizmo> i dont see anything wrong with that? [15:28] <mizmo> its indicating, below is where u write your own no? [15:28] <kushal> I am out of ideas for screencasts [15:28] <ianweller> mizmo: it might be firefox's rendering. i see "write your own:" *under* the sticker [15:29] <kushal> the one in wiki page, i don't know them properly so can not work on them [15:29] <mizmo> ianweller, oh weird [15:29] <tw2113> i must chime in that i've been a bad boy and haven't touched the topic in a long time [15:29] <stickster> ianweller: No, it's there in the source afaict [15:29] <stickster> mizmo: I just moved them up, I can send you the SVG. [15:29] <mizmo> ianweller, yeh firefox might be funkifying the vertical alignment if u are looking at the svg [15:29] <mizmo> or maybe i screwed it up! not sure [15:29] <kushal> today created few on python, how to copy files to fedorapeople.org account [15:29] <ianweller> mizmo: if it's above the sticker then it's cool. [15:29] <mizmo> yeh i was thinking they were above [15:29] <mizmo> i agree if they below we should take : out [15:29] <mizmo> or move them up [15:29] <ianweller> ok. [15:30] <tw2113> if we need to push the istanbul video topic more, it might be best to give it to someone else. I'm just dropping the ball here [15:30] <kushal> So, I need to application list people want to see in the videos or workflow [15:30] <kushal> like how to create a patch may be [15:30] <stickster> tw2113: Is it a lack of time thing, or a lack of interest thing? [15:30] <tw2113> a bit of both [15:31] <kushal> I also started a series on PyQt4 programming [15:31] <tw2113> i'm juggling my fair amount of balls over here plus a bit of lack of interest [15:31] <kushal> tw2113, do you have ideas ? [15:31] <stickster> kushal: Do you think you might be working toward an overall "How to Maintain a Package" video set? [15:31] <tw2113> no i don't sadly [15:32] <kushal> stickster, ok, next task in pool :) [15:32] <kushal> tw2113, ok [15:32] <stickster> kushal: That was more of a question :-) [15:32] <kushal> stickster, like for Fedora packaging ? [15:32] <stickster> kushal: Is that your goal? [15:32] <kushal> stickster, oh, :p [15:32] <kushal> stickster, goal ,means ? [15:32] <kushal> for what ? [15:32] <stickster> kushal: Something you're trying to achieve with your videos [15:33] <kushal> stickster, I goal is simple .... [15:33] <kushal> people do not get chance to meet people in real life to learn from them, only option is irc and RTFM [15:33] <stickster> kushal: Oh yes, I understand why we create the videos :-) [15:33] <kushal> if they can see on videos how to do things, it becomes very easy [15:33] <stickster> kushal: I didn't do a very good job of explaining myself. [15:34] <stickster> kushal: Let me try again :-) [15:34] <kushal> ok [15:34] <stickster> I was thinking that, since you're creating lots of videos, and they seem to be about some development topics... [15:34] <stickster> ...and... [15:34] <stickster> ...because you maintain some packages... [15:34] <stickster> ...the larger theme of "How to Maintain a Package" might be interesting to you, as a video-maker. [15:34] <kushal> yes, of course :) [15:35] <stickster> In other words, a series, one at a time, showing the essential skills [15:35] <stickster> (or more than one at a time if you like) :-) [15:35] <kushal> plus I want to do more for simple users [15:35] <kushal> but as I don't know most of the user tools or options, that is difficult for me :P [15:35] <stickster> tw2113: Is there a marketing task that *does* grab you by the lapels, which wouldn't take much of your time to achieve? [15:36] <mizmo> we're hoping to have my fedora tools ready for f10 that are focused on package maintainers [15:36] <stickster> tw2113: Ooo. I have an idea. [15:36] <mizmo> so the process might be changing (for the better) as soon as f10 [15:36] <-- bpepple|lt has left this server ("Ex-Chat"). [15:36] <tw2113> hit me [15:36] <mizmo> (something to keep in mind for that video) [15:36] <stickster> mizmo: Oh, that's true. [15:36] <kushal> mizmo, oh, ok [15:36] <stickster> So if kushal creates a lot of videos, they might all change :-\ [15:36] <stickster> s/change/need to change/ [15:36] <stickster> That would be silly [15:36] <stickster> tw2113: Are you a CSS guy? [15:36] <kushal> stickster, then I will work on that after f10 :) [15:37] <tw2113> i like to believe so, and have studied it in college [15:37] <tw2113> :) [15:37] <stickster> kushal: Whatever happens, make yourself happy doing videos, first and foremost :-0 [15:37] <stickster> :-) [15:37] <kushal> stickster, that I am :) [15:37] <stickster> tw2113: How would you like to fix the docs.fp.o CSS? [15:37] <stickster> tw2113: 'Coz we need it badly. [15:38] <tw2113> fancy it up and make it smashing? [15:38] <stickster> tw2113: Take a look at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ [15:38] <stickster> 2002 called, and they want their styles back. [15:38] <ianweller> *that* is a domain that needs love. [15:38] <kushal> stickster, btw, I am uploading my ogg files to fedorapeople account [15:38] <stickster> tw2113: Now compare that to http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ [15:38] <kushal> soon I will be out of space [15:38] <stickster> tw2113: Which uses the newer, canonical styles. [15:38] <stickster> kushal: We can get you more, just ask in #fedora-admin [15:38] <stickster> kushal: And let them know I sent you ;-) [15:38] <kushal> stickster, then I will use my own space for both flvs and ogg [15:39] <kushal> stickster, oh, ok [15:39] <stickster> tw2113: So the objective is to match the docs.fp.o site to the newer official Fedora styling. [15:39] <kushal> stickster, my idea of keeping flvs on fedorapeople is nothing but advertisement [15:39] <kushal> that we *support* ogg [15:39] <tw2113> sounds like parts of that would be just copying new into old [15:39] <stickster> kushal: Hm, let me think on that. [15:39] <kushal> eh [15:39] <stickster> tw2113: Possibly. [15:40] <kushal> s/flv/ogg [15:40] <stickster> tw2113: The rub is, we need someone to *do* it who knows what he's doing :-) [15:40] <kushal> stickster, my idea of keeping oggs on fedorapeople is nothing but advertisement [15:40] <tw2113> yeah [15:40] <stickster> mizmo: That's the official styling, yes? [15:40] <tw2113> sure, i'll take on that task [15:40] <stickster> mizmo: e.g. what's on http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ ? [15:40] * stickster almost 100% sure of that, but JIC... [15:40] <stickster> tw2113: Awesome. [15:41] <stickster> tw2113: How long do you think you need for that? [15:41] <tw2113> how about we agree that i'll get on it asap [15:41] <stickster> tw2113: Do you want to try for next week, then? [15:42] <stickster> tw2113: Or does two weeks sound better for your schedule/time constraints? [15:42] <stickster> Or...? [15:42] <tw2113> it'll be my first official chance to push stuff live for Fedora, so i'd need a bit of help figuring out how to download the uptodate files and then pushing live etc [15:42] <tw2113> yeah, lets aim for 2 week [15:42] <stickster> ianweller may be able to help you with that [15:42] <tw2113> i'm sure i could find some help easy [15:42] <stickster> ianweller: Can I call on you for help in that regard? [15:42] <stickster> ugh. [15:42] <stickster> That was the crappiest sentence ever. [15:42] * ianweller yells at the government for making him go to school [15:42] <stickster> ianweller: Will you help with that? [15:43] <ianweller> stickster: possibly. [15:43] <kushal> ianweller, lol [15:43] <tw2113> i just have to work around a schedule that isn't the same every week [15:43] <stickster> tw2113: In fact, quaid or I may be able to help with that. [15:43] <ianweller> i have to work around school, and homework, and ughhhhhh [15:43] <stickster> The changes are made to a site to which we have access [15:43] <stickster> ianweller: no problem [15:43] <ianweller> i'll do what i can. [15:43] <tw2113> i can pester ricky for some help too if i need to [15:44] * ianweller wishes summer lasted 11 months [15:44] <stickster> tw2113: OK, I'll put in a 2-week status call [15:44] <tw2113> k [15:44] <stickster> Cool! [15:44] <stickster> Well, that's it for the agenda. [15:44] <stickster> Open floor! [15:44] <ianweller> oh goody, my computer's keyboard and mouse just locked up again [15:44] * stickster sure if gregdek were here, he'd have something sage to say, but I'm spent for the day. [15:44] <tw2113> who ordered the 15 pizzas? [15:45] * stickster edits Tasks page while others talk about marketing stuff (hopefully) [15:45] <ianweller> stickster: what's the status of trademark guidelines for business cards? [15:45] <stickster> ianweller: Actually, we discussed that at the Board meeting this week [15:45] <ianweller> i saw that in the notes, that's why i ask :P [15:45] <stickster> ah [15:45] <stickster> Well, what we were thinking is that we *want* everyone to use the standard cards [15:45] <stickster> *and* [15:46] <stickster> We would like people to include on the cards something that indicates how they can be "found" on our system, so recipients can verify the person is in Fedora [15:46] <ianweller> i wonder if there's a command line tool i can use to get my keyboard and mouse unfrozen. [15:46] <stickster> ianweller: yum install unbreakmydevices [15:46] <ianweller> stickster: i wish! [15:47] <stickster> Then you SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!!! [15:47] <tw2113> just throw them out the window ianweller [15:47] <tw2113> the higher up you are, the better [15:47] <ianweller> i know it's not a hardware problem [15:47] <ianweller> it's a fedora problem. [15:47] <ianweller> and that's what makes me mad [15:47] <kushal> ianweller, same here [15:47] * ianweller sshes in and init 3;init 5 [15:47] <stickster> OK, are we done with marketing then? [15:47] <kushal> my personal lappy gets in same condition any time [15:47] <kushal> stickster, seems so :) [15:48] <stickster> 5 [15:48] <stickster> 4 [15:48] --> jesolato has joined this channel (i=jesolato(a)64-238-187-68.cty.apt.gru.net) [15:48] <stickster> 3 [15:48] <stickster> 2 [15:48] <stickster> 1 [15:48] <stickster> </meeting [15:48] <stickster> >

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