Greetings, o virt devs!
You're getting this email because you're listed as one of the owners for
a virt-related feature we'd like to spotlight in Fedora 12. We're
working on in-depth feature profiles for the F12 release
would love to interview you about the features you've been working on.
Interviews usually take about 20-30 minutes, though I'm certainly happy
to listen to you talk about your feature as long as you want. ;) Pop
into #fedora-mktg on Freenode and ping me (mchua) and we can have the
interview right then and there; I'm almost always around (including
during weird/late/early hours). If you want to set up a specific time to
talk in advance, just email me and let me know. If we get multiple virt
devs in at the same time for a panel-style conversation, that's fantastic!
Aside from popping into IRC for 30 minutes and (optionally) sending a
pic or two of yourself you'd like to post up for the article, that
should be it - I'll do the editing and the screenshot walkthrough and
let you know when drafts (and then the final article) go up. We're
hoping to go live early next week, so find me on IRC for 30 min anytime
before this Friday noon EST and we'll be all set.
Thanks - looking forward to the interviews!
(Ccing the Marketing list for transparency/suggestions for improvement;
this is my first feature profile. I'm planning on turning this into a
HOWTO similar to Paul's HOWTO do a podcast interview after this release
cycle is over.)
The call for proposals in out. The important dates are:
Oct-2009 | Call for Participation and start of submissions
26-Oct-2009 | End of submissions proposals
31-Oct-2009 | List of accepted submissions published
15-Nov-2009 | Due date for final slides & talk materials
01-Dec-2009 | Conference begins
As you can see, you only got a very short period for submitting a
proposal for a talk/workshop/workout. We have a Fedora Project day
proposed to the organizers. Details at
We have a limited budget to sponsor participants. If you are planning
to present or attend the event edit the wiki (with your Fedora account)
and add in more details. Go to http://foss.in and register as a speaker
following the directions in the website. If you have any questions, let
>> Is Moblin worth adding to it?
>I would say yes I did a 'spin' and installed it on my ASUS EEE it run
>great still has some needed things but runs great and have had 2 other
>people intrested enough in wanting to know how
>to try it on there laptops..
>might want it to be a anounce for in f12 for testing out the desktop;
>and comments wish list etc.. but a 'spin' for f13 ..
I missed the cut off for an official spin for F-12 because I wasn't
aware the cut off was the alpha release. So for F-12 I'm planning a
remix or what ever its called LiveCD. I should have a beta one up very
shortly after the official F-12 beta. I've been testing the first
couple of cuts on various hardware over the last week or so.
Firstly sorry for screwing up the threading, I've not prev been on
fedora-marketing list but someone pointed me to the thread but as the
Moblin Maintainer I figured it was worth jumping in!
>>> Is Moblin worth adding to it?
>> It's not something that will be usable by most people in this release -
>> not many applications on it yet.
># yum install @moblin-desktop gives you a fairly complete desktop. I did
>a quick comparison with what is available in moblin.org and didn't find
It is basically complete as per Moblin upstream. The main missing
feature is the Moblin Browser and I'm planning to speak to the Fedora
Mozilla guys @ FUDCon to see what I need to do to get support for
this. And there's nothing to stop people using Firefox or Epiphany in
the mean time, I use both without issues.
Most of the other 'apps' are actually just standard gnome apps or I
have them already in rawhide. There's one or two minor ones missing
but nothing I'm overly bothered about.
I have pondered over the question of; 'where to start?'
After receiving the comments on this list which were supplemented by emails
supporting the fact that there is not much coordination in the area of
marketing, but more so the unwillingness to see the relevance of it, it
makes this a difficult mission. That combined with the questions I have
asked through email to the group leader who never replies to those mails
makes this impossible.
There has been talk of people not wanting to look inside the organization,
but just want to focus on the outside. Like a doctor who takes care of the
sick but never takes care of themselves. He may help a lot of people, but
when he neglects his own health, he eventually ends up in a position where
he can no longer help others.
I can really say that as a newbie to the FOSS community and someone who is
not a "techie" or paid to do this but looks at it as one of this social
responsibilities, I am really not too impressed. There is widespread
disagreement, as their is in many other FOSS communities also which leads me
to believe that this is a "members club" only. Those members being the
technically inclined. These technical people have jobs that either support
you to work on Fedora with their time and money or you are actually paid by
Fedora/Redhat.Those of "us" who do not fall under those categories are
putting all of our time with no supplemental payment.
Therefore, I suggest you keep this a technical distro only, that way
everyone entering the community as well as it's users will have a foundation
to start from. Wider user bases than that need not apply.
After many hours contemplating it and some sleepless nights, I have decided
where to start: Removing myself from this group!
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One of the first things I see in order to help in marketing is the
establishment of measurement systems. Measurement systems allow us
internally to gauge how we are doing, and what needs to be improved. This is
true also for the those viewing the community from an external standpoint.
These measurements will provide us with more legitimacy and provide a
platform where we are transparent about our results and that our results are
measurable (and not some abstract way that no one can understand). I can
see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research that we have begun to
start an formulate research that will be used to produce these statistics,
but fail to see any methodologies that are used to base these questionnaires
One thing I would like to start with to help all of you form a marketing
mindset is to ask the question of "What happened in June of 2009 within the
As you can see: https://fedorahosted.org/fama/wiki/AmbassadorMetrics views
that we have had a steady increase since measurement began in January of
2006. That is until June of 2009.
Once we can answer this question, we can begin to answer these
1) Who were these ambassadors?
2) What specific contributor groups were they apart of?
3) Where did they go after they left the ambassador group?
Please feels free to give me your comments and suggestions regarding this
issue, so we can start to problem solve some issues to help us provide
better and more improved results, as we do technically with every release.
All the best,
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