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Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Meeting - Monday 2009-07-23 @ 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT)
by John Poelstra 24 Jul '09

24 Jul '09

It looks like the best time and date is Monday, July 23rd at 17:00 UTC (1 PM EDT). At that time please call into FedoraTalk and join conference 2009 (at the prompt enter 2009#). Please also join gobby where I will have a skeleton version of the schedule in text format that we can work with and talk about. See you all then. Thanks, John http://talk.fedoraproject.org/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo

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Fedora 12 Marketing Schedule Review
by John Poelstra 24 Jul '09

24 Jul '09

Hi Marketing People, I recently came across https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule . I would like to add all the good information you have there to the master Fedora schedule we have for all the teams. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/ To do this we also need to add real dates for all of the TBD items, etc. The advantage of this approach is that you won't have to recreate a new wiki page for each release and new schedules can be generated automatically. We can also create iCal versions of the schedule for importing to online calendars. To accomplish all this we've found it works best to use use Gobby and FedoraTalk to discuss and clarify everything in real time. Other methods can work, but I have yet to see them work in a reasonably efficient way. I've set up a calendar http://whenisgood.net/marketing Please indicate the times you are available and add your name. Once we get enough responses I'll send out another email with the time to meet. I'd like to meet w/in the next week. Thanks, John

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Comments about Microsoft and the GPL
by Yaakov Nemoy 23 Jul '09

23 Jul '09

Hey All, While this isn't 100% Fedora related, being such fans of upstream that we are, we can definitely go somewhere with this. You've probably seen in the news by now that Microsoft is making a pretty substantial contribution to the Linux kernel. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/072009-microsoft-linux-source-code.ht… And if you need a good laugh: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/1643251/Microsoft-Releases-Linux-De… The way i see it, is that we can do one or more of several things based on this. Of course we can continue talking about upstream as a path to success, but i'm wondering, being no marketing expert myself, what else can we do with such a message? Is this a message we can try to take around to various different people and push extensively as proof that the system works? Is this even something we can take to mainstream media even though we're so fond of staying out of it for the very minimal real effect we have? Or do we ignore it because it's not Fedora? Cheers, Yaakov

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Please Help: Voice Wanted!
by Jonathan Roberts 22 Jul '09

22 Jul '09

In response to Mel's awesome e-mail, if anybody is interested in helping me with some podcast interviews, particularly anyone who isn't so shy about hearing their own voice, then get in touch. I'm currently preparing an interview with the infrastructure team, working on getting a time together right now, so the next few steps for me are: a) finalise some times b) get some great questions put together c) record it d) edit/transcribe it e) publish If anyone is interested in doing any of these, particularly c) and d) (I'll probably keep a) and e) for myself, would probably just get messy with more than one person doing those!), I would be very grateful :) Cheers, Jon

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Slogan task for schedule
by Paul W. Frields 22 Jul '09

22 Jul '09

Jack et al., In putting together the Design schedule, Mo Duffy, John Poelstra, and I identified a marketing task that needs to be included. I'm dropping the note here so you can add the dates in all the appopriate places. F12 release slogan: 2009-08-27 -- open the call for suggestions 2009-09-17 -- final slogan is ready for websites/design The process we used in F11 seemed to work well, and that should occur in between those dates. Any required intermediate deadlines can be set by the Marketing team but should also be included in the schedule. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Re: Comments about Microsoft and the GPL [OFF TOPIC]
by Yaakov Nemoy 22 Jul '09

22 Jul '09

2009/7/21 Kamin Horvath <mohaas05(a)fedoraproject.org>: > I don't see that happening. Switching from the NT kernel to a *nix kernel > would break compatibility with all existing windows applications. That's why > the goal here is in virtualization. We're getting off topic, but here we go. The NT kernel is one of those fabled microkernels that everyone who isn't Tannenbaum loves to hate. There's a single service that runs on top of the NT bits that provide all the functionality in windows. FWIW, the NT kernel is a very well designed stable, and fast kernel, which is the pay off of microsoft using some of its billions to hire some of the best engineering out there. Considering that drivers tend to run in the space above the NT kernel, the stability issues that Windows is known for suffering are technically user space issues, which is where windows comes no where near the quality of many other OSes. That said, Microsoft could switch kernels all they want, provided they havea run time system that provides certain user space and 'kernel' functionality to windows programs. They could also virtualize an older stripped down version of windows using one of the many fine VT technologies out there on top of a *nix kenel (or any other kernel for that matter). There has even been research into providing modules in the Linux Kernel to provide the same process management features that Windows provides in order to run windows programs natively on top of Linux. Finally, last i checked, MS still hires a number of very bright developers, and if they wanted to, they could switch their kernels any time they wanted. They were originally planning on doing just about the same work in Midori. But yes, you're right, the goal here is virtualization. It has nothing to do with MS and the GPL, just that their GPL contribution is a set of drivers for Virtualization. -Yaakov > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Affix <affix(a)ihack.co.uk> wrote: >> >> With microsoft contributing to the kernel does this mean we may see a >> unix based windows version. Personally I think windows should be unix >> based as with mac OSX it will greatly increase stability and security. >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 21, 2009, Nicolas Chauvet <kwizart(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > 2009/7/21 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro>: >> >> On 07/21/2009 12:04 PM, Keiran Smith wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Well looks like us linux users can look forward to some of the >> >>> instabilities of windows in our Own Operating Systems. What are >> >>> microsoft thinking >> >> >> >> I don't think you will be affected by this code unless you run a >> >> virtualized >> >> Linux guest on a Windows host and if you do that... well, probably you >> >> already have bigger problems :p >> > And that could be a problem for us, since the opposite (Windows on top >> > of linux) isn't that equivalent. >> > That's because of the hardware coverrage isn't the same. (3D graphics >> > / raid drivers / others). >> > >> > One could say, it will be easier for Linux to live on top of windows. >> > That way drivers could remains closed sources and linux not a real OS >> > anymore, just providing few services on top of the real OS. >> > >> > While the European Union is presuring to remove out IE from the next >> > windows bundle, /me think it would have been more valuable to only >> > keep the very basic hardware support layers from the OS, so everything >> > else could have been optional. >> > >> > At least I can see one way to have the announcement turn into our >> > favour. It would be to have it compared with other opensourcing >> > announcement such the AMD/ATI one. Even if the reasons behind have >> > nothing to be compared, it could present theses as a success story for >> > the free software development scheme. >> > That should have be directed to end-users asking them to keep >> > presuring on hardware vendosr for free software solutions over >> > proprietary ones. >> > >> > Nicolas (kwizart) >> > >> > -- >> > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >> > >> >> -- >> Keiran Smith >> - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - <affix(a)fedoraproject.org> >> - Free Software Foundation Associate - <keiran.smith(a)member.fsf.org> >> - http://keiran-smith.net >> - Call me on +44 (0) 131 208 4347 >> >> -- >> Fedora-marketing-list mailing list >> Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > -- > Kamin Horvath > Fedora Ambassadors USA > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mohaas05 > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list >

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Meeting notes 2009-07-21
by Mel Chua 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Awesome meeting, everyone - thanks to all who attended and a big welcome back to Jack, who'll be stepping back in to pick up on things as soon as I hit the send button on this email. Thanks for tolerating my three weeks of learning on the job, folks. You are awesome. --Mel Updated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule Logs: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#2009 Notes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-21/fedora-meeting.2… Action Items, by person (aka mchua loves meetbot): 1. ianweller 1. ianweller to ping design list for help with FI 2. ianweller to eat this banana 3. stickster and ianweller to continue watching logistics/docs zikula discussion, push Marketing specs/reqs up as needed 4. mchua to poke various groups for final spec requests for FI, pass to stickster and ianweller 2. JonRob 1. JonRob to make workflow/content plan 2. JonRob and pcalarco to meet and discuss News workflow for FI 3. mchua 1. mchua to poke various groups for final spec requests for FI, pass to stickster and ianweller 2. mchua find out if SeanDaly wants to teach a Classroom class on marketing 3. mchua to take spevack's eloquence and update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints and redirect [[Talking Points]] to that 4. moixs 1. moixs to report back on news distribution network next week 5. pcalarco 1. JonRob and pcalarco to meet and discuss News workflow for FI 6. spevack 1. mchua to take spevack's eloquence and update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints and redirect [[Talking Points]] to that 7. stickster 1. stickster and ianweller to continue watching logistics/docs zikula discussion, push Marketing specs/reqs up as needed 2. mchua to poke various groups for final spec requests for FI, pass to stickster and ianweller 3. stickster kicking off a T-minus-1-week "What's looking cool" thread 8. themayor 1. themayor to schedule F12 schedule sync-up with poelcat and others who should attend 2. themayor to report on Alpha Readiness Meeting prep next week 3. themayor to report back on Publications List progress

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[[Talking points]] updated
by Mel Chua 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

A little wiki cleanup I said I'd do, for those who (like me a few hours ago) are confused about this "Talking Points" thing. [[Talking points]], [[TalkingPoints]], and [[Talking Points]] all redirect to the refurbished https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Announcements/TalkingPoints which contains Max's description from today's meeting, and an (incomplete) list of past talking points. Yay docs! Sanity check from someone who's been around since F6 or so would be good. That page is old; it had F9 stuff on it. --Mel

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Reminder: Fedora Marketing weekly meeting, 20:00UTC #fedora-meetings
by Mel Chua 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

I'll be chairing for one more week as Jack recovers from jetlag. (Welcome back, Jack!) Meeting channel info and logging instructions have been updated (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings) thanks to Steven Moix for pointing out the needed fix. The fastest way to catch up on last week's meeting, this week's events, and the upcoming meeting's agenda all at the same time is to look at these two sections of the F12 schedule (which I've just updated): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule#General_tasks_not_tie… https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule#The_6_weeks_leading_u… You see last week's meeting logs in full at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-14/fedora-meeting.2…. Since we're short on prep time (sorry, my fault!) I'm not going to be sending out individual taskpings like I have before, but these are the people who are listed on the F12 schedule page as having stuff this week, and status as far as I know it - we're going to mention and then skip the stuff marked "Done" unless someone chooses to bring it up in-meeting. * ianweller: choose FooBar platform (Done: zikula) * JonRob: choose FooBar name (Done: Fedora Insight) * mchua: see what we can do to help Fedora Classroom (done, but could be done better) * Sparks: Docs/Marketing 1-pg shiny release notes workflow (unknown status) * poelstra, with spevack: integrate Marketing F12 schedule into main F12 schedule (unknown completion date, unknown status) * moixs: renew the news distribution network (in progress) --Mel

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Open Source Activity Map (for Red Hat marketing)
by Valent Turkovic 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

http://www.redhat.com/about/where-is-open-source/activity/ The map that Red Hat produced is really nice, but it is a shame that www.openstreetmap.org maps aren't used and promoted. It is strange to see Red Hat promote Google maps when more open data is available but closed data is used. There is openlayers package in Fedora repositories, and it would be nice to see it used on Red Hat servers and on Open Source Activity page. Cheers. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

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