April 2010 - [MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing

FYI - Fedora Insight Freeze dates
by Robyn Bergeron 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Caught this in IRC a bit ago - 17:23 < mmcgrath> mchua_afk: any timeline on insight? We unfroze today and will freeze again on the 4th. If it's going to go live it should do so well in advance of that. I'd say April 26th at the latest.

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One Page Release Notes Sprint
by Tyler Torbet 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

My name is Tyler Torbet. I am a student at Allegheny College and our group is working with the Fedora Project. We are working on One Page Release Notes and would like to have a sprint tonight at 6:00pm in order to get some more ideas. The chat room will be: #OPRN-sprint. Some of our group members will be there about 5:45-5:50pm. Anyone is welcome! Tyler

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[in the news] Fedora 13 Beta Gnome LiveCD First Look
by Kara Schiltz 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

This Week in Linux 4.15.10 Fedora 13 Beta Gnome LiveCD First Look http://www.thisweekinlinux.com/2010/04/this-week-in-linux-fedora-13-beta-gn…

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[in the news] Register: Fedora tempts fate with Apollo 13 beta
by Adam Williamson 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/13/fedora_13_beta/ -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Linux Foundation MeeGo partners: Fedora MIA
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6145 Linux Foundation has recently announced a long list of distributions as partners to boost their MeeGo effort. Fedora (and Ubuntu) is not in that list. Any idea, why? We have folks like Peter Robinson and others very engaged in this sub community of netbook development and "Fedora Mini" stuff. Rahul

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Re: Advertising "open core" software
by Jan Wildeboer 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

If community version is different from what we have in fedora, it makes my point about user expectations even stronger. So I remain on my position. It should be mentioned but not promoted. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Thu Apr 15 06:44:45 2010 Subject: Re: Advertising "open core" software On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as "All advantages > of Micrososft Exchange at 50% of the costs" [1]. The version we have in > the repos also seems to have a limit of 3 outlook users according to > [2]. So in this specific case I do have some pain in promoting it. I > would even go as far as saying that if the version of Zarafa in Fedora > really has this 3 user limit it is against the philosophy and spirit of > Fedora. Get a clue of Zarafa, please. Fedora is shipping the Zarafa Open Source Collaboration, which doesn't include any proprietary software, that means there is no Outlook support at all in Fedora, even not the three mentioned Outlook users from the community edition. The community edition contains proprietary software which can be used up to three Outlook users. And the community edition of Zarafa is the Open Source edition plus the proprietary Outlook support with these given three users. Community != Open Source. Greetings, Robert

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Re: Advertising "open core" software
by Jan Wildeboer 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

You learn to behave friendly and I start listening. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Thu Apr 15 06:44:45 2010 Subject: Re: Advertising "open core" software On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Jan Wildeboer wrote: > Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as "All advantages > of Micrososft Exchange at 50% of the costs" [1]. The version we have in > the repos also seems to have a limit of 3 outlook users according to > [2]. So in this specific case I do have some pain in promoting it. I > would even go as far as saying that if the version of Zarafa in Fedora > really has this 3 user limit it is against the philosophy and spirit of > Fedora. Get a clue of Zarafa, please. Fedora is shipping the Zarafa Open Source Collaboration, which doesn't include any proprietary software, that means there is no Outlook support at all in Fedora, even not the three mentioned Outlook users from the community edition. The community edition contains proprietary software which can be used up to three Outlook users. And the community edition of Zarafa is the Open Source edition plus the proprietary Outlook support with these given three users. Community != Open Source. Greetings, Robert

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[In the news] Fedora 13 Holds Strong Promise For Developers
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://www.efytimes.com/e1/creativenews.asp?edid=43668 "However, the road to this progress was bumpy. One of the major challenges of this release was the choice made by the Fedora team to branch Fedora 13 content earlier from the constantly moving development branch called 'Rawhide'. The challenge was well approached and conquered. "Doing that allowed us to better separate out things that are changing drastically, from those whose changes are slowing down as they get ready for the release," says Frields." Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13: Beta and graphics driver test week
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi, http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-13-Beta-and-graphics-driver-t… "Since the distribution, advertised with the release slogan "Rock it", went into feature freeze before the alpha version, the beta doesn't offer any major surprises; instead, the developers have focused on completing the more than 40 most important new features and on fixing bugs." Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora Study Seeks Feedback
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-Study-Seeks-Feedback Rahul

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Advertising "open core" software
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi, Open core, for those not familiar with the term is the business model of keeping some key features closed and selling a proprietary product where the "core" functionality is free and open source. Two features in the feature list are such software http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList Zarafa groupware and IntelliJ IDEA, IDE for Java have a number of features that is only available in their proprietary product. http://www.zarafa.com/content/editions http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html Do we care? I am concerned about this. Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13 beta looks to streamline Linux
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://www.techworld.com.au/article/343083/fedora_13_beta_looks_streamline_… "Work contributed back to original open source projects" is a good tagline. Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13 Beta Available for Download and USB Testing
by Rahul Sundaram 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

Hi http://lifehacker.com/5516818/fedora-13-beta-available-for-download-and-usb… Rahul

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[in the news] Fedora 13 "Goddard" Beta Emphasizes Automation
by Kara Schiltz 15 Apr '10

15 Apr '10

eWeek/DesktopLinux.com 4.14.10 Fedora 13 "Goddard" Beta Emphasizes Automation By Eric Brown The Fedora project released a beta version of Fedora 13 (codenamed "Goddard"). The updated community Linux distribution <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5419916040.html#> is touted for features including automatic print-driver installation, the Btrfs filesystem, enhanced 3D <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5419916040.html#> driver support, revamped Python bindings, and the Zarafa groupware package, says the project. Full post: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5419916040.html

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Re: Advertising "open core" software
by Jan Wildeboer 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

This discussion gets out of hand and doesn't belong here. The original question was if fedora marketing material should promote open core software or not. We are not discussing feature wars of whatever project/product. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <marketing-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> To: Robert Scheck <robert(a)fedoraproject.org> Cc: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Wed Apr 14 18:08:58 2010 Subject: Re: Advertising "open core" software On 04/15/2010 03:23 AM, Robert Scheck wrote > Having this said, I'm pretty sure, that only less Fedora users care about > whether Zarafa in Fedora has support for Outlook or not, because most of > our Fedora users don't use Windows as their main operating system. We really don't know much about our users. They might be using Windows or they might be working on a environment where a number of *other users* are using Windows. > Maybe > you should see the benefit of what Zarafa open sourced so far: There is a > full-featured Open Source MAPI implementation and library by Zarafa, while > OpenChange provides in comparision only a few less percent of the overall > functionalities and features - they're providing basics, but did you ever > try something more extended? It doesn't work or it crashes. OpenChange is > not usable in Enterprise so far, while Zarafa (even without the > proprietary > features) is. > The whole point of MAPI is to talk to folks using Windows. So you can't really argue that Windows is irrelevant to our discussions. Even in a groupware deployment within Red Hat, blackberry integration was considered a blocker for example. No doubt that open source features are useful by itself but it should be taken into consideration that a large scale deployment very likely would have to be buying the proprietary version and IMO that should factor into our considerations of what we promote within Fedora regardless of whether you consider your work in Fedora as a "test bed". I understand you are associated with Zarafa and worked on integrating it into Fedora but my position on this concern around the model we are implicitly promoting rather than anything against the software itself. The question boils down to one simple thing: Should we promote "open core" software prominently within Fedora? You can take Zarafa completely out of the equation and still answer that meaningfully. > By the way, wasn't it you some time ago promoting the Omega Fedora Remix > containing closed source software via the Fedora mailing lists? > Common confusion. There is no "closed source" software in Omega. What I include by default is the some software from the RPM Fusion - free repo which are entirely free and open source software. Being patent encumbered in some regions doesn't make it non-free. Anyway this is off-topic to the current discussion. If you have questions on Omega, feel free to mail me offlist about it and I can discuss any concerns in length. Rahul -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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[Fwd: Re: Interview Regarding NetworkManager]
by Nelson Marques 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Hi, I've got a very nice interview from Dan, which has very good contents for my work. I've taken the liberty of attaching the full email non-edited. I've got enough information to pull a non-technical article. By merging this with the already existent information of NetworkManager, this be fun actually a very fun thingie. I will report soon, with 24 hours as I said earlier, it's going to be done. Right after we advertise it, please wait for my "go" as I would like to give Dan the time to review and provide some editorial-cuts if applicable. Thanks in advance, Nelson

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release notes: allegheny students
by Daniel Eiben 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Here are some of our ideas for the one page release notes. please comment!

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Marketing ticket # 110
by bhutto aamir 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

"Categorize and possibly rename virtualization articles" Done :P Regards Aamir A Bhutto

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Alpha --> Beta logo on http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease
by Robyn Bergeron 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Can we swap out the Alpha banner for the Beta banner? Just thinking it would be awesome to not confuse people.... :) (I'm assuming the beta banner on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Artwork is finalized?) -Robyn

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Interview with Dan Williams
by Nelson Marques 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Hey, I've mailed now my interview to Dan Williams. Once I get the reply I'll be needing 24 hours most to write the article. Regarding to this, something else came into my mind. Would it be welcome if we prepared a new category on our wiki to group all this interviews being done? Something in the scope of "Meet fedora contributors" > pointer. At some point gathering all interviews in single webpages indexed by the people who gave the interview and possibily establishing a timeline based on the release ? Other thing, I've swapped the orientation of the interview I've sent to Dan in order to get a more human approach and provide a different kind of content (will try to promote actually people joining to Fedora as developers). I'll be giving new soons, hopefully by the end of the week this should be accomplished. I'm also considering sending a small interview to people behind KNetworkManager as it's also important. Most likely also covering nm-applet. nelson -- Nelson Marques PGP Fingerprint: 53E1 731B 85A4 A098 8382 8CFF 1AC7 AF01 7717 8063

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Python in F13: David Malcolm interview (so far)
by Mel Chua 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

A cleaned-up transcript of our interview with David is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Python_in_Fedora_13#David_Malcolm It needs to be shortened and moved to its own page for cleanup, and I'd like to have two supplementary screencasts made (next time I have a spare moment, I'll try my hand at it) to demo some of the features, but I'd say it's maybe 80% ready to ship if we need something soon, and that there'll be more Python-in-F13 content coming out shortly. --Mel

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[In the news] Fedora 13 Beta Is Set To Sail
by Rahul Sundaram 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Hi http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=14766 Fairly detailed look with a bunch of screenshots. Rahul

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[In the news] Fedora 13 beta goes live
by Rahul Sundaram 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Hi, http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-13-beta-goes-live "With Goddard comes a number of updates and new features for end users and developers alike. For the first time in Fedora history it's possible to install a Python 3 stack in parallel to the current Python 2.6, allowing developers to better optimize and increase the compatibility of their work. Another treat for developers is an improved GNU debugger that allows unified information for C/C++ libraries and Python, all in the same running process" Rahul

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Re: Btrfs feature profile
by Hannah Kowen 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Hello everyone, The best time for an interview is Thursday between 11am and 12pm Eastern time or next Tuesday April 20 at the same time can work as well. Which ever medium of interview is most convenient for both Chris and Josef is fine with me, please just let me know. And if neither of those times work, we can set up another time. I'm excited to learn more about Btrfs and thanks for your time. -Hannah Kowen On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Josef Bacik <josef(a)redhat.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 02:29:49PM -0430, David Nalley wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Hannah Kowen <kowenh(a)allegheny.edu> > wrote: > > > Dear Chris and Josef, > > > > > > My name is Hannah Kowen and I am a student at Allegheny College working > with > > > the Fedora 13 release. I am interested in working on the Btrfs feature > > > profile. > > > > > > > > > David- I saw that you started to work on the Btrfs feature profile, > and if > > > there is anything specific you'd like me to start working on, please > let me > > > know. > > > > > > Regarding the interview: > > > * Can be done by IRC, email, video conference, voice. Feel free to > choose > > > the method that better suits you. > > > * The interview wouldn't be that long, just long enough for me to get > a > > > feel of how Btrfs works (and for someone without very much technical > > > expertise.) > > > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > Hannah Kowen > > > > > > -- > > > marketing mailing list > > > marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > > > > > > Hi Hannah: > > > > Nice to see you jumping in. > > > > Here are my thoughts on the matter - though it sounds like you'll be > > doing the work, so feel free to ignore me. (Those doing the work get > > to make the decisions :) ) > > > > I personally would like to see an audio interview of Chris or Josef > > and have him explain what btrfs is, and specifically what this feature > > means. Sadly, I am a poor person to do this as I have a decent > > understanding of btrfs, and having managed large network storage, > > snapshots aren't foreign to me either. That means I am probably a poor > > choice for eliciting the information that a non-technical end user > > would need to know to understand this feature, and how it benefits > > them. That of course makes it IDEAL for you. > > Once you have the audio interview, I'd like to see if we can get it > > transcribed to text as well. > > Sorry I forgot about this email. I can do whatever you want, IRC and email > obviously work better, but I can do a voice thing as well if needed. Just > let > me know when/where/how you want to do the interview and I will show up. > Thanks, > > Josef >

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[In the news] Fedora 13 - Ubuntu's smart but less attractive cousin
by Rahul Sundaram 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Hi http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/13/fedora_13_beta_review/ Perspective: We need to advertise the end user facing features more loudly. Ubuntu includes gwibber and a applet and advertises it as social networking built-in. We do have similar features: Pino is default for Fedora 13. If we can get the one page release notes effort pushed forward, it would help. Factual corrections: Feel free to post them to the site. I don't have a account there yet. mesa-dri-drivers-experimental is not a separate driver. GNOME version is 2.30 Release notes: Does Anaconda create a separate /home only if the available space is more than 50 GB? Such details need to go into the release notes. Rahul

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[MOVED TO DISCOURSE] Fedora Marketing - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/marketing April 2010