On 08/05/2015 04:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 04:00:41PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> I wasn't thinking of it as "pressing", but showcasing all the
>> interesting and fun parts of the community.
> Whatever verbiage is used, wouldn't such a flyer and accompanying
> pitch is and would be perceived as an upsell? (to convert them from
> a (not even yet?) user to a contributor?)
Well, I guess at some level it *is* marketing, sure. Is that inherently
Not just 'marketing' though, an upsell. Maybe I am viewing this all too
much from the POV of someone with a toddler and daily life choices of
pick 2: [ sleep | shower | eat ]... but "try the software" is asking for
a chunk of the person's time, and then to add on "contribute back" is
asking for a much bigger chunk on top of that.... in the same way that I
sign up for cable internet (they get some of my money) and they try to
upsell me to also sign up for cable TV and phone (to get even more of my
I think an 'upsell' is a bit more aggressive than basic marketing, and I
do think 'please contribute' on top of 'please try us' -- to the flyer
audience, which is mostly newcomers -- is going to be perceived as an
I've been thinking about our presence at some of the big,
well-established Linux/Open Source shows — SCALE, OSCON, LinuxCon,
FOSDEM, etc. Most of the people in the audience have a general
awareness of Fedora already. They may have tried it, or are even Fedora
users. I've heard from several people that our presence at these is
valuable simply to maintain visibility — that if Fedora isn't there, it
looks like we're not a going concern anymore. I guess I agree that
there's a little to that, but I'd like us to get more out of the time
At SCALE in particular, the commercial booths are very much "job fair".
We aren't playing at that game (although *Red Hat* is!), but over on
the community projects side, I think showing the fun, interesting,
cool, useful, meaingful ways to get involved *could* be valuable.
At some of these events, maybe focusing on all of (or one of) the
Fedora editions might be the best thing, at least especially while the
idea of cloud/server/workstation is still novel. But at a lot of them,
I think the users walking by already have a pretty good idea of what
Fedora is as a distribution, which is why I'd be interested in trying
to sell the *project* to them, too.
(Now, again, maybe flyers aren't the best way to do that; I don't know.)
While I agree this makes sense, I don't think flyers are the way to do
that, if for any reason because of the pipeline issues we have that I
How do you get a savvy, great potential contributor with some knowledge
of Fedora to get interested in contributing when you run into them at a
conference? You introduce them *in person* to someone with at *least*
some remote experience in the same area of contribution the person might
be interested in working in, the conversation goes well, they continue
the relationship 'offline' (which is actually online, of course, but...
you know what I mean :) )
I think we just don't have the pipeline to get someone like that into
the contributor pool and having a positive experience, at least, not the
way things are today. And there are way too many opportunities for
falling off the rails and giving up when you start with a flyer than
with a real human connection.
I guess in the same way I would rather see us put out no materials than
poorly-designed materials... I'd rather us not try to onboard a
potential contributor at all than try to onboard them and they have a
terrible (confusing, frustrating, dead-end, etc) experience.
The limited case where I think contributor-recruiting flyers can work
well is, depending on the timing / availability, if we have 'job
openings' flyers posted for Fedora-related Google Summer of Code,
Outreachy, or even Red Hat internship opportunities available in the
booth. Those are programs with strong, well-defined pipelines where we
have built-in mentorship and a high success rate of productive and
positive experiences for both sides.
Does that make sense?