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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting (Chris Roberts)
2. Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting (Ryan Lerch)
3. Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting (Ryan Lerch)
4. Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
(Jaroslav Reznik)
5. Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
(Jiri Eischmann)
6. Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting (Joe Brockmeier)
7. Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting (Ryan Lerch)
8. Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
(Jared K. Smith)
9. Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
(Jiri Eischmann)
10. Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21 (Josh Boyer)
11. Magazine down? (Matthew Miller)
12. Re: Magazine down? (Matthew Miller)
13. Re: Magazine down? (Ryan Lerch)
14. Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
(Paul W. Frields)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:05:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Roberts <chris.roberts@croberts.org>
To: Fedora Marketing team <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
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I would totally be up for this. I really think we can get some good ideas going and make for better consistent content pushes.
- Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lamourine" <markllama@gmail.com>
To: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:50:38 AM
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
I'm in as Sysadmin.....
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Amita Sharma < amsharma@redhat.com > wrote:
Great Idea, I will love to join :)
Thanks,
Amita
On 09/11/2014 03:53 AM, Zacharias Mitzelos wrote:
Count me in as well Ryan ;)
Zacharias
On 11/09/2014 01:01 πμ, Rikki Endsley wrote:
Sounds great, count me in.
I'm switching from CentOS to Fedora on my work laptop this week (have Fedora on a home laptop currently), which should make coming up with ideas and writing articles easier.
Rikki Endsley | Community Evangelist
Open Source and Standards (OSAS), Red Hat
http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @redhatopen | @rikkiends
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul W. Frields" < stickster@gmail.com >
To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject. org
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:34:49 PM
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 03:58:19PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
Hi all,
Just wondering what people think about a fortnightly meeting specially
dedicatied to the magazine, where we can pitch and discuss ideas for posts
on the magazine. Obviously not all articles on the mag would come from such
a meeting (ie the ones that are more "newsy" and are written when something
is announced)
I would love to participate in this meeting, since I'd like to broaden
my Magazine participation as well.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:15:06 -0400
From: Ryan Lerch <rlerch@redhat.com>
To: Fedora Marketing team <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
Message-ID: <5411AE6A.5010500@redhat.com>
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On Thu 11 Sep 2014 09:05:48 AM EDT, Chris Roberts wrote:
> I would totally be up for this. I really think we can get some good ideas going and make for better consistent content pushes.
>
> - Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Lamourine" <markllama@gmail.com>
> To: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:50:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
>
> I'm in as Sysadmin.....
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Amita Sharma < amsharma@redhat.com > wrote:
>
>
> Great Idea, I will love to join :)
>
> Thanks,
> Amita
> On 09/11/2014 03:53 AM, Zacharias Mitzelos wrote:
>
>
> Count me in as well Ryan ;)
>
> Zacharias
> On 11/09/2014 01:01 πμ, Rikki Endsley wrote:
>
>
> Sounds great, count me in.
>
> I'm switching from CentOS to Fedora on my work laptop this week (have Fedora on a home laptop currently), which should make coming up with ideas and writing articles easier.
>
>
> Rikki Endsley | Community Evangelist
> Open Source and Standards (OSAS), Red Hat
>
> http://community.redhat.com/
> Twitter: @redhatopen | @rikkiends
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Paul W. Frields" < stickster@gmail.com >
> To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject. org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:34:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 03:58:19PM -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering what people think about a fortnightly meeting specially
> dedicatied to the magazine, where we can pitch and discuss ideas for posts
> on the magazine. Obviously not all articles on the mag would come from such
> a meeting (ie the ones that are more "newsy" and are written when something
> is announced)
> I would love to participate in this meeting, since I'd like to broaden
> my Magazine participation as well.
>
Just going to throw a time out here -- what do people think of UTC 1400
- UTC1500 as a time of day for a meeting?
We can pick any day really.
cheers,
ryanlerch
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:16:48 -0400
From: Ryan Lerch <rlerch@redhat.com>
To: ankursinha@fedoraproject.org, Fedora Marketing team
<marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
Message-ID: <5411AED0.7050001@redhat.com>
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On 09/11/2014 12:41 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 09:37 +0530, Amita Sharma wrote:
>> Great Idea, I will love to join :)
> I'll turn up when I can too - probably not while I'm still down under,
> but as soon as I move some place with a more convenient time difference.
>
>
I know that feeling well! -- there are not many good times in the AU
timezone that mesh with the US workday :)
That said, the easiest way to participate might be to write up a brief
pitch, and then one of us can pitch the idea in the meeting!
cheers,
ryanlerch
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:45:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@redhat.com>
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
<desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Cc: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
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----- Original Message -----
> Hi everyone,
> Here are some draft notes I prepared to try to help our marketing team
> build up some release notes and press material on the Fedora Workstation
> release.
> Already sent it to the Working Group members, but I thought I send it out to
> these two
> lists for further review and suggestions.
Christian,
thanks for help - for release announcement, once the WG is ok with this draft,
feel free to edit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Alpha_release_announcement
I'm really happy to see this activity happening in working groups, really
working towards the best product marketing materials! Thank you very much!
Jaroslav
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:40:29 +0200
From: Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com>
To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cc: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
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Jared K. Smith píše v St 10. 09. 2014 v 14:09 -0400:
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Eeek. Don't call it an "appstore" else the lawyers get all
> jumpy. I've
> been referring to it all the time as an "application
> installer" as I
> don't fancy fighting that fight.
>
>
>
> I have to agree here -- not so much because I don't want any sort of a
> legal trouble, but because there's no "store" to speak of. (Unless,
> of course, you use "store" to mean "storage", and not "a place to buy
> things".) Since we don't charge money for any of the applications, I
> have a hard time calling it a store. Let's call it an "application
> installer" or a "software installer", but not an application store,
> please.
What about calling it an "app catalog"? It doesn't imply we sell apps
and the name is not currently used or claimed by anyone AFAIK (HP used
to have App Catalog for their webOS, but that's dead now).
Frankly, I don't like calling it an installer because there is a
qualitative difference between an installer and the kind of application
GNOME Software is trying to be.
What comes to my mind when I hear the word "installer" is a program that
installs whatever you ask it to install, but I think GNOME Software is
more than that. It shows in a fashionable way what the platform offers
app-wise. And it also takes care of updates btw.
Jiri
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:26:53 -0500
From: Joe Brockmeier <jzb@redhat.com>
To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
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On 09/11/2014 09:15 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> Just going to throw a time out here -- what do people think of UTC 1400
> - UTC1500 as a time of day for a meeting?
> We can pick any day really.
That's 9 a.m. my time, so - kinda works. I have a lot of meetings from 8
a.m. to 11 a.m. depending on the day of week, but I can usually keep an
eyeball on IRC if I'm at the desk.
I'm fine with the idea of a meeting, but I'd also note - there's nothing
to stop people from pitching ideas on the mailing list 24/7. So - I
would hope that the meeting would be more brainstorming and generating
new ideas, and make sure if someone has a good idea they can run with -
they can do that without waiting for the meeting.
Silly question - any reason not to fold this in with the other marketing
meeting?
Best,
jzb
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:04:00 -0400
From: Ryan Lerch <rlerch@redhat.com>
To: jzb@redhat.com, Fedora Marketing team
<marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal -- fortnightly magazine meeting
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On 09/11/2014 12:26 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 09/11/2014 09:15 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>> Just going to throw a time out here -- what do people think of UTC 1400
>> - UTC1500 as a time of day for a meeting?
>> We can pick any day really.
> That's 9 a.m. my time, so - kinda works. I have a lot of meetings from 8
> a.m. to 11 a.m. depending on the day of week, but I can usually keep an
> eyeball on IRC if I'm at the desk.
>
> I'm fine with the idea of a meeting, but I'd also note - there's nothing
> to stop people from pitching ideas on the mailing list 24/7.
No nothing at all, except we rarely get pitches on the list even though
it is known that it happens this way. The idea of a standalone meeting
is to hopefully get people to collate a few thoughts, then get them to
pitch them as ideas in the brainstorm session. Maybe not the way a
"traditional" pitch works.
regards,
ryanlerch
> So - I
> would hope that the meeting would be more brainstorming and generating
> new ideas, and make sure if someone has a good idea they can run with -
> they can do that without waiting for the meeting.
>
> Silly question - any reason not to fold this in with the other marketing
> meeting?
>
> Best,
>
> jzb
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:39:56 -0400
From: "Jared K. Smith" <jsmith@fedoraproject.org>
To: Fedora Marketing team <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Cc: fedora-desktop <desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com>
wrote:
> What about calling it an "app catalog"?
I'm fine with calling it an "App Catalog" or "Application Catalog" or
"Software Center". I'm just not comfortable with "store" or "market" or
"marketplace" since we're not selling anything.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:50:55 +0200
From: Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com>
To: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
Cc: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
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Michael Catanzaro píše v Čt 11. 09. 2014 v 11:27 -0500:
> On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:40 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > What about calling it an "app catalog"?
>
> How about "software center?"
That's also a good option. A little downside could be that it's used by
Ubuntu already (Ubuntu Software Center).
Jiri
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:31:23 -0400
From: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
<desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Cc: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com> wrote:
> Michael Catanzaro píše v Čt 11. 09. 2014 v 11:27 -0500:
>> On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:40 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>> > What about calling it an "app catalog"?
>>
>> How about "software center?"
>
> That's also a good option. A little downside could be that it's used by
> Ubuntu already (Ubuntu Software Center).
There are only so many names you can call a thing that actually
describe that thing. We shouldn't be afraid to use a generic term
just because Ubuntu uses it.
josh
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:02:27 -0400
From: Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org>
To: Fedora Marketing team <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Magazine down?
Message-ID: <20140911190227.GA16482@mattdm.org>
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The fedora magazine front page is blank -- literally 0 bytes. If I go to
the admin URL, I get a plain old-school HTML page telling me that the
database doesn't need to be upgraded and a link to continue, which takes me
to that blank front page....
--
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<mattdm@fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 15:09:23 -0400
From: Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org>
To: Fedora Marketing team <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Magazine down?
Message-ID: <20140911190923.GA17122@mattdm.org>
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 03:02:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> The fedora magazine front page is blank -- literally 0 bytes. If I go to
> the admin URL, I get a plain old-school HTML page telling me that the
> database doesn't need to be upgraded and a link to continue, which takes me
> to that blank front page....
Huh. Now it's fine.
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm@fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:05:56 -0400
From: Ryan Lerch <rlerch@redhat.com>
To: Fedora Marketing team <marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Cc: Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Magazine down?
Message-ID: <541200A4.3040306@redhat.com>
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On Thu 11 Sep 2014 03:09:23 PM EDT, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 03:02:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> The fedora magazine front page is blank -- literally 0 bytes. If I go to
>> the admin URL, I get a plain old-school HTML page telling me that the
>> database doesn't need to be upgraded and a link to continue, which takes me
>> to that blank front page....
>
> Huh. Now it's fine.
>
It seems it was updated (not sure if by someone, or automatically) --
the wp-admin page is giving me the update database thingo
cheers,
ryanlerch
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:35:29 -0400
From: "Paul W. Frields" <stickster@gmail.com>
To: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org, marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Some suggestions for Marketing notes for FW 21
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On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 09:46:07AM -0400, Christian Schaller wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Here are some draft notes I prepared to try to help our marketing team
> build up some release notes and press material on the Fedora Workstation release.
> Already sent it to the Working Group members, but I thought I send it out to these two
> lists for further review and suggestions.
I took a shot at revising Christian's notes, using the feedback from
the thread thus far. With this revision I tried to reduce the level
of formality, the amount of technical terminology, and overall
sentence length and complexity. I also introduced some bullet points
where I felt it made the text more readable. I also renamed the
Software tool here to "App Catalog" because the ease of the tool does
remind me of e.g. a retail store catalog.
Presented here for your (most welcome!) slings and arrows:
* * *
The Fedora Workstation is a new take on desktop development from the
Fedora Community. Our goal is to pick the best components, and
integrate and polish them. This work results in a more polished and
targeted product than you've previously seen from the Fedora
desktop. We want our desktop operating system to solve your problems,
not be your problem.
Easy access to all your software
The cornerstone of the Fedora Workstation is the App Catalog, which
lets you find all kinds of applications quickly and easily. The
improvements to the App Catalog in Fedora 21 provide a responsive and
fast user experience. In addition, Fedora packagers have worked with
developers around the world to greatly improve the number of featured
applications.
Improvements to the Terminal application
We want developers to have a great experience, so a strong Terminal
application is absolutely important. We've integrated a set of
additional features in the Terminal, such as:
* Support for transparent backgrounds
* Automatic title updates to help you identify different terminals
* A simple toggle for system keybindings in both the Terminal and
GNOME desktop overview to help you search for Terminals by name
Experimental Wayland Support
Wayland is a new and exciting technology that will power Linux
desktops of the future. With Fedora Workstation 21 you can visit the
future now, and see how well your applications work with Wayland. You
can also experiment with making your applications take advantage of
Wayland's new capabilities. Much of the core Wayland development comes
from Fedora Workstation contributors, so this is your chance to try
out Wayland straight from the source.
Developer Assistant
We recognize developers need an easy and straightforward way to set up
many different programming environments. In Fedora Workstation, we
offer the Developer Assistant, which takes care of this setup for a
large number of language runtimes and IDEs. And now, thanks to its
integration with new Fedora Software Collections, multiple versions of
different languages are available to suit your needs.
Ease of installation
We want the installation of the Fedora Workstation to be as
straightforward and simple as possible. In Fedora Workstation we've
distilled this process down to selecting the layout of your physical
media, and then pressing "Install." (In fact, you can even let the
installer choose the disk layout for you.) And because the future of
installations is not optical disks, we ship with an easy to use tool
to help you create bootable USB sticks.
Toolkit integration
We recognize you have a job to do, and you want to use the tools that
let you get it done. That's why we've been working hard to make all
your applications in Fedora Workstation look and feel the same. From
the new theming for Qt to the ability to run HTML5 web services in a
chromeless window, we want all your apps to feel like a natural
extension to your desktop.
Support for extremely high resolution displays (HiDPI)
Technology never stands still, and as a software developer you're used
to using the best technology available. So we've spent a lot of time
and effort on supporting the new generation of HiDPI displays. That's
probably why Fedora has been called "the best of HiDPI."
Exciting roadmap
This Fedora Workstation release is not the end. It's the beginning of
a new era for Fedora on the desktop. We have a roadmap lined up to
bring a range of exciting new technologies to the Linux desktop:
* Containers
* Smarter virtual machines
* Better development tools
* More web integration
* ...and much more
So if you want to be part of the future of the Linux desktop be sure
to get on board now!
* * *
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