2:34 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Heherson Pagcaliwagan
<herson(a)azneita.org>wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:58:58AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
> > I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can,
> > and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More
> > Than I can speak about branding here.
> >
> > To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe
> > conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for
> > myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at
> >
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-September/msg00...
> ,
> > please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.)
> >
> > The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things.
> >
> > 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other
> > words, "us").
> >
> > 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep
> > track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in.
> >
> > 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2
> so
> > far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as
> > http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines).
> > http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was
> > supposed to be a directory for all such homepages.
> >
> > Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two
> > websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be
> > renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust?
> >
>
Why don't we just add a list of *.fedoracommunity.org sites on the sidebar
of Fedora Community Portal which resides on fedoracommunity.org. The portal
already caters to our developers and blogging contributors, can't we do the
same for our local communities. Likewise, it will make the portal more like
a one-stop showcase of what Fedora have - fantastic developers, energetic
contributors and vibrant local communities. That's already Features,
Friends, Freedom, and First for you.
> Some solutions proposed on the list so far:
> >
> >>>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page
> >>>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static
> >>>> content. Ugh.
> >
> >>>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been
> >>>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name
was
> >>>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about
> >>>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear
that we don't
> >>>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content.
> >
> >>> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no
> idea
> >>> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package
> maintainers
> >>> but we're hoping to expand it out more...
> >
> >> developers.fedoracommunity.org ?
> >> makeit.fedoracommunity.org?
> >> I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community.
> >
> > My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have
> > partially been answered in the discussion above.
> >
> > 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2,
> > admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org)
>
> #2 - the portal project using the Moksha framework for roughtly
> real-time, interactive collaboration between contributors; right now
> it serves mainly packagers but the plan is to drastically increase
> its coverage beyond that group
>
> #3 - a domain used to provide subdomains for local communities at
> which localized (translated) original content, forums, etc. are
> provided and maintained outside the Fedora Project; offers both
> appeal from the perspective of native language, and the ability to
> discuss and provide solutions outside Fedora's mission and scope
>
> > 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical
> > reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives,
> > or IRC logs would be great.)
>
> [[Local_community_domains]] is probably the most important from the
> perspective of the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3).
>
> > 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of
> > renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many
> > people would be affected, in what way?)
>
> If #3 is only being used by two groups thus far, and if neither has
> spent considerable money producing literature or publicity, renaming
> that one is probably the better option.
>
> If we really want to know "how did this happen?", my feeling is that
> I'm the person at fault here. I recall being not bowled over by the
> naming of the portal project (#2) to Fedora Community, but I couldn't
> think of why, and I simply failed to put 2 and 2 together with the
> fedoracommunity.org domain name. I would say that there wasn't enough
> interplay between the FAB list and Infrastructure, where #3 was
> discussed and implemented, and Marketing/Moksha, where #2 was going
> through that process. And putting those pieces together really is an
> FPL responsibility. We have the Logistics list now to coordinate such
> things, but didn't back in the winter when #3 was happening (and
> probably #2 too).
>
> Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups
> using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a
> renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that
> with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics?
> Other?
>
I believe all of the other Filipino Fedora Ambassadors will agree on me on
this - we're agreeable to anything the Board deems fit for our local
community domain. This is basically just echoing what Engels posted to the
Board's list a while back [1].
[1]
http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-advisory-board/256150-community-domai...
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