Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to freedom. Its the price you pay for convenience.
Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org marketing-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sat Apr 10 10:17:18 2010 Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok. Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern, and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the audience point of view or distribution.
+1.
nm
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution, as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be distributed online.
I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted. Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video, but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all - YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea that I have come up with is:
- Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
Archive and Dailymotion.
- Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials, features of Fedora, etc).
Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos would be added to the official channel.
- Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based websites.
I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of what people's opinions are.
I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to speak with our class and explain how this open-source community worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
Nick
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 10:57 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to freedom. Its the price you pay for convenience.
What would you suggest for an reliable alternative that can provide:
# user friendliness # decent connectivity # a wide audience as youtube?
Up to this point, it's constructive. From this point on, it's a private view and should be faced as such.
As a personal comment, for a second I saw that "freedom" almost as I see "despotism". It's because of the availability of proprietary software for Linux and close standards that I use it (and that makes of it an alternative to other proprietary OS's), else I would be stuck with Windows (as FOSS doesn't provide everything for users needs). I understand that we should promote open standards, but that will handicap a campaign and will probably not give as much impact as it would. Even for the artists making it, it's a huge cutdown on their efforts. Do we really need to be so narrow? can't we actually provide it both ways and make our official stuff on a non-offending format, but also make it available on youtube?
"In America, through pressure of conformity, there is "freedom of choice", but nothing to choose from" - Peter Ustinov.
nm
PS: This comment translates a personal view.
Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org marketing-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sat Apr 10 10:17:18 2010 Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok. Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern, and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the audience point of view or distribution.
+1.
nm
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution, as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be distributed online.
I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted. Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video, but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all - YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea that I have come up with is:
- Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
Archive and Dailymotion.
- Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials, features of Fedora, etc).
Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos would be added to the official channel.
- Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based websites.
I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of what people's opinions are.
I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to speak with our class and explain how this open-source community worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
Nick
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I'm only facing youtube as a "distribution channel" for contents and how successful it is for the purpose of content diffusion (and considering that most people do actually have such plugins available already and use them nearly daily).
Considering the "Cathedral and Bazaar", if we stripe down all those "offending" stuff availability... people would continue to see our platform as a reliable alternative? If they don't use it... they will contribute for it. Maybe I'm wrong and took the wrong feeling out of it.
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 16:29 +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 10:57 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
Youtube however uses the H.264 codec which is patent encumbered and only viewable on Fedora after installing either (proprietary) Flash or not-so-well-licensed codecs from external repos.
One of the four F's of Fedora is Freedom. Youtube is not adding to freedom. Its the price you pay for convenience.
What would you suggest for an reliable alternative that can provide:
# user friendliness # decent connectivity # a wide audience as youtube?
Up to this point, it's constructive. From this point on, it's a private view and should be faced as such.
As a personal comment, for a second I saw that "freedom" almost as I see "despotism". It's because of the availability of proprietary software for Linux and close standards that I use it (and that makes of it an alternative to other proprietary OS's), else I would be stuck with Windows (as FOSS doesn't provide everything for users needs). I understand that we should promote open standards, but that will handicap a campaign and will probably not give as much impact as it would. Even for the artists making it, it's a huge cutdown on their efforts. Do we really need to be so narrow? can't we actually provide it both ways and make our official stuff on a non-offending format, but also make it available on youtube?
"In America, through pressure of conformity, there is "freedom of choice", but nothing to choose from" - Peter Ustinov.
nm
PS: This comment translates a personal view.
Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: marketing-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org marketing-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Sat Apr 10 10:17:18 2010 Subject: Re: Fedora and Video Sharing
As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok. Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern, and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the audience point of view or distribution.
+1.
nm
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project. My particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution, as I already have my own video-web series. I'm one of five students who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be distributed online.
I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted. Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion. Based off of my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video, but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all - YouTube. As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone. One idea that I have come up with is:
- Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
Archive and Dailymotion.
- Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials, features of Fedora, etc).
Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video to the Account Master(s) for consideration. If accepted, these videos would be added to the official channel.
- Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based websites.
I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those who are interested. I would also be curious to find out what results previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of what people's opinions are.
I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my professors started discussing it in class. Once Mel Chua came to speak with our class and explain how this open-source community worked, I began to understand. Having videos that explain the goals of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
Nick
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