F20 Alpha announcement & release notes

[Jaroslav Reznik]

Hi!
As the F20 Alpha is tomorrow, we need final text ready today to hand it over
to people who do announcement (this time it's nirik). I'm not sure I'll make
today's marketing meeting, so quick recap:

I've done a quick review of current version - changed final release to early
December, removed Vagrant change as it's not yet ready. The other Changes
should be ok - marked as MODIFIED in Bugzilla. IRC chat posted down on the
page is commented out now.

One question - how do we want to reference Changes? When it's clear we talk
about Changes (reference to ChangeSet), we should use it but we also talk a lot
about features in the text...

Otherwise I think it looks good, thanks a lot. Formatting for email is still
needed, Robyn usually does it.

Fedora_20_Alpha_release_notes already points to F20_Alpha_release_announcement.

Thanks
Jaroslav

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 09:39:56AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  One question - how do we want to reference Changes? When it's
> clear we talk
>  about Changes (reference to ChangeSet), we should use it but we also talk a lot
>  about features in the text... 
I think we should be non-dogmatic. Call it a "change" if it really seems
like a behavior change in some way, and a "feature" if it's something new. 

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[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 09:39:56AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > One question - how do we want to reference Changes? When it's clear we talk
>  > about Changes (reference to ChangeSet), we should use it but we also talk a
>  > lot
>  > about features in the text...
>  
>  I think we should be non-dogmatic. Call it a "change" if it really seems
>  like a behavior change in some way, and a "feature" if it's something new.
Well, it's what FESCo asked for to be more dogmatic :). The only thing I'd like
to avoid is more confusion when we have. I think current version makes sense.
Also I remember marketing team was talking about "shines". But yeah, I'm 
silent now :).

Btw., could you please take a look on the sendmail/rsyslog section to clarify
it a bit more - randomuser raised that question how clear/correct it is on
docs meeting.

Jaroslav 

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[Joe Brockmeier]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:28:08AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  Well, it's what FESCo asked for to be more dogmatic :). The only
> thing I'd like
>  to avoid is more confusion when we have. I think current version makes sense.
>  Also I remember marketing team was talking about "shines". But yeah, I'm 
>  silent now :). 
Sorry, "shines"? Can you clarify that?

For the alpha release, I took a pretty dry/straightforward approach for
the most part because the alpha audience is smaller and a little more
technical (I think) than the audience for the final announcement.

>  Btw., could you please take a look on the sendmail/rsyslog section to
> clarify
>  it a bit more - randomuser raised that question how clear/correct it is on
>  docs meeting. 
Happy to take corrections if needed.

Best, 

jzb
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[Robyn Bergeron]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Joe Brockmeier" <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: "For participants of the Documentation Project"
> <docs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Cc: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:53:15 AM
>  Subject: Re: F20 Alpha announcement & release notes
>  
>  On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:28:08AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > Well, it's what FESCo asked for to be more dogmatic :). The only thing I'd
>  > like
>  > to avoid is more confusion when we have. I think current version makes
>  > sense.
>  > Also I remember marketing team was talking about "shines". But yeah,
> I'm
>  > silent now :).
>  
>  Sorry, "shines"? Can you clarify that? 
I think the context here is "Shiny Marketing things" - things that will catch
the eye of folks, like shiny pennies :)

>  
>  For the alpha release, I took a pretty dry/straightforward approach for
>  the most part because the alpha audience is smaller and a little more
>  technical (I think) than the audience for the final announcement.
>  
>  > Btw., could you please take a look on the sendmail/rsyslog section to
>  > clarify
>  > it a bit more - randomuser raised that question how clear/correct it is on
>  > docs meeting.
>  
>  Happy to take corrections if needed.
>  
>  Best,
>  
>  jzb
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[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:28:08AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > I think we should be non-dogmatic. Call it a "change"
> if it really seems
>  > like a behavior change in some way, and a "feature" if it's something
> new.
>  Well, it's what FESCo asked for to be more dogmatic :). The only thing I'd like
>  to avoid is more confusion when we have. I think current version makes sense.
>  Also I remember marketing team was talking about "shines". But yeah, I'm 
>  silent now :). 
I'm in favor of more dogmatic for the _process_, but less so for the
_marketing_. Does that make sense?

>  Btw., could you please take a look on the sendmail/rsyslog section to
> clarify
>  it a bit more - randomuser raised that question how clear/correct it is on
>  docs meeting. 
Yes, I can. :)


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[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:28:08AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > > I think we should be non-dogmatic. Call it a "change" if it really
> seems
>  > > like a behavior change in some way, and a "feature" if it's
> something
>  > > new.
>  > Well, it's what FESCo asked for to be more dogmatic :). The only thing I'd
>  > like
>  > to avoid is more confusion when we have. I think current version makes
>  > sense.
>  > Also I remember marketing team was talking about "shines". But yeah,
> I'm
>  > silent now :).
>  
>  I'm in favor of more dogmatic for the _process_, but less so for the
>  _marketing_. Does that make sense? 
Yep, it makes sense and it was the idea behind the whole proposal :) Just to
implement it!

>  > Btw., could you please take a look on the sendmail/rsyslog
> section to
>  > clarify
>  > it a bit more - randomuser raised that question how clear/correct it is on
>  > docs meeting.
>  
>  Yes, I can. :) 
Thanks!

Jaroslav

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[Robyn Bergeron]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Jaroslav Reznik" <jreznik(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base"
> <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Cc: "For participants of the Documentation Project"
> <docs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:39:56 AM
>  Subject: F20 Alpha announcement & release notes
>  
>  Hi!
>  As the F20 Alpha is tomorrow, we need final text ready today to hand it over
>  to people who do announcement (this time it's nirik). I'm not sure I'll make
>  today's marketing meeting, so quick recap:
>  
>  I've done a quick review of current version - changed final release to early
>  December, removed Vagrant change as it's not yet ready. The other Changes
>  should be ok - marked as MODIFIED in Bugzilla. IRC chat posted down on the
>  page is commented out now.
>  
>  One question - how do we want to reference Changes? When it's clear we talk
>  about Changes (reference to ChangeSet), we should use it but we also talk a
>  lot
>  about features in the text... 
I think using the word Features is largely okay. Changes can be features or just changes;
it's a feature simply by virtue of the fact that we are choosing to feature that
information in the release announcement :)

If there are just straight-up changes we are highlighting for some purpose (because
it's really important to point out but not necessarily exciting marketing-ish things)
then those are usually captured somewhere anyhow.

Thoughts?

>  
>  Otherwise I think it looks good, thanks a lot. Formatting for email is still
>  needed, Robyn usually does it. 
Yup, I was going to show jzb how to do this while we were at linuxcon, but I can totally
explain it to him today (it's pretty straightforward).

>  
>  Fedora_20_Alpha_release_notes already points to
>  F20_Alpha_release_announcement.
>  
>  Thanks
>  Jaroslav
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[Jaroslav Reznik]

>  > 
>  > Otherwise I think it looks good, thanks a lot. Formatting for email is
>  > still
>  > needed, Robyn usually does it.
>  
>  Yup, I was going to show jzb how to do this while we were at linuxcon, but I
>  can totally explain it to him today (it's pretty straightforward). 
Sorry, I wasn't able to attend yesterday's meeting as I expected - was
formatted announcement handed out to nirik already? It probably makes
sense sending it to the logistics list too as we discussed on the
readiness meeting.

/me will recheck

Jaroslav

>  > 
>  > Fedora_20_Alpha_release_notes already points to
>  > F20_Alpha_release_announcement.
>  > 
>  > Thanks
>  > Jaroslav
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[Joe Brockmeier]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 07:43:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  Sorry, I wasn't able to attend yesterday's meeting as I
> expected - was
>  formatted announcement handed out to nirik already? It probably makes
>  sense sending it to the logistics list too as we discussed on the
>  readiness meeting. 
Argh, sorry. I sent the announcement to Kevin. Will send to Nirik and
logistics list. 

Best, 

jzb
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:11:32 -0500
Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 07:43:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > Sorry, I wasn't able to attend yesterday's meeting as I expected -
>  > was formatted announcement handed out to nirik already? It probably
>  > makes sense sending it to the logistics list too as we discussed on
>  > the readiness meeting.
>  
>  Argh, sorry. I sent the announcement to Kevin. Will send to Nirik and
>  logistics list.  
FYI, Kevin == nirik :) 

More eyes the better on it, but I already sent it out, so any
adjustments we should look at for Beta. 

kevin

[Robyn Bergeron]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Joe Brockmeier" <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  To: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Cc: "For participants of the Documentation Project"
> <docs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:11:32 AM
>  Subject: Re: F20 Alpha announcement & release notes
>  
>  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 07:43:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > Sorry, I wasn't able to attend yesterday's meeting as I expected - was
>  > formatted announcement handed out to nirik already? It probably makes
>  > sense sending it to the logistics list too as we discussed on the
>  > readiness meeting.
>  
>  Argh, sorry. I sent the announcement to Kevin. Will send to Nirik and
>  logistics list. 
Kevin == Nirik

I totally spaced on teh logitics list discussion. Sorry.

>  
>  Best,
>  
>  jzb
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[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 07:43:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > Sorry, I wasn't able to attend yesterday's meeting as I expected - was
>  > formatted announcement handed out to nirik already? It probably makes
>  > sense sending it to the logistics list too as we discussed on the
>  > readiness meeting.
>  
>  Argh, sorry. I sent the announcement to Kevin. Will send to Nirik and
>  logistics list. 
No, it was perfect - sent to the right person!
Thanks!

Jaroslav

>  Best,
>  
>  jzb
>  --
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