[Fedora-marketing-list] Legally correct term.

[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

  As some friends and me are preparing a series of Fedora events to take 
place in the coming months, we were wondering what is the correct term 
for "Fedora Linux" legally speaking. We will be making some stickers 
which amongst other things will feature the legend "Fedora Linux", and 
since Linux when used in certain contexts can be referred to as Linux®, 
also I remember that Red Hat refers to Fedora as Fedora™, so when put 
together both terms, what is the correct way to put them:

Fedora™ Linux®
Fedora Linux®
Fedora® Linux®

?

I do believe that the same applies to the Logo, where the Infinity Logo 
is accompanied by the ® symbol, but I'm not sure.

Thanks in advance for your inputs and clarifications.

[Rahul Sundaram]

Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>   As some friends and me are preparing a series of Fedora events to
> take 
>  place in the coming months, we were wondering what is the correct term 
>  for "Fedora Linux" legally speaking. We will be making some stickers 
>  which amongst other things will feature the legend "Fedora Linux", and 
>  since Linux when used in certain contexts can be referred to as Linux®, 
>  also I remember that Red Hat refers to Fedora as Fedora™, so when put 
>  together both terms, what is the correct way to put them:
>  
>  Fedora™ Linux®
>  Fedora Linux®
>  Fedora® Linux®
>  
>  ?
>  
>  I do believe that the same applies to the Logo, where the Infinity Logo 
>  is accompanied by the ® symbol, but I'm not sure.
>  
>  Thanks in advance for your inputs and clarifications. 
We dont call the distribution "Fedora Linux". We currently call it 
"Fedora Core". There is currently a discussion about merging core and 
extras (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraSummit) and the new name 
post merger hasnt been decided yet but "Fedora" and "Fedora Linux" are

potential candidates.

Currently you can call it Fedora Core™ but I would avoid the "TM" in 
normal references. The logo doesnt have any registered trademarks 
associated with it and the names are more casual.

Rahul

[Christopher Aillon]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> >  As some friends and me are preparing a series of Fedora events to 
> > take place in the coming months, we were wondering what is the correct 
> > term for "Fedora Linux" legally speaking. We will be making some 
> > stickers which amongst other things will feature the legend "Fedora 
> > Linux", and since Linux when used in certain contexts can be referred 
> > to as Linux®, also I remember that Red Hat refers to Fedora as 
> > Fedora™, so when put together both terms, what is the correct way to 
> > put them:
> >
> > Fedora™ Linux®
> > Fedora Linux®
> > Fedora® Linux®
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I do believe that the same applies to the Logo, where the Infinity 
> > Logo is accompanied by the ® symbol, but I'm not sure.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your inputs and clarifications.
>  
>  We dont call the distribution "Fedora Linux". We currently call it 
>  "Fedora Core". There is currently a discussion about merging core and 
>  extras (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraSummit) and the new name 
>  post merger hasnt been decided yet but "Fedora" and "Fedora Linux"
> are 
>  potential candidates.
>  
>  Currently you can call it Fedora Core™ but I would avoid the "TM" in 
>  normal references. The logo doesnt have any registered trademarks 
>  associated with it and the names are more casual. 

Just because the logo or names aren't registered does not mean they 
can't have the trademark symbol.  (R) is registered trademark.  TM is 
(unregistered) trademark.  And we certainly do have a trademark on 
Fedora, Fedora Core, etc. and enforce our trademarks.  Our marks should 
not be treated casually.  They are among the most important things we own.

[Jeffrey Tadlock]

Christopher Aillon wrote:
> > Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Currently you can call it Fedora Core™ but I would avoid the "TM" in
> > normal references. The logo doesnt have any registered trademarks
> > associated with it and the names are more casual.
>  
>  Just because the logo or names aren't registered does not mean they
>  can't have the trademark symbol.  (R) is registered trademark.  TM is
>  (unregistered) trademark.  And we certainly do have a trademark on
>  Fedora, Fedora Core, etc. and enforce our trademarks.  Our marks should
>  not be treated casually.  They are among the most important things we own. 
And all the logos on the Logo Usage Guideline page:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines

reflect the use of TM.

--Jeffrey

[Rahul Sundaram]

Christopher Aillon wrote:
>  Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> > We dont call the distribution "Fedora Linux". We currently call it 
> > "Fedora Core". There is currently a discussion about merging core and 
> > extras (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraSummit) and the new name 
> > post merger hasnt been decided yet but "Fedora" and "Fedora
> Linux" are 
> > potential candidates.
> >
> > Currently you can call it Fedora Core™ but I would avoid the "TM" in 
> > normal references. The logo doesnt have any registered trademarks 
> > associated with it and the names are more casual.
>  
>  
>  Just because the logo or names aren't registered does not mean they 
>  can't have the trademark symbol.  (R) is registered trademark.  TM is 
>  (unregistered) trademark.  And we certainly do have a trademark on 
>  Fedora, Fedora Core, etc. and enforce our trademarks.  Our marks should 
>  not be treated casually.  They are among the most important things we own. 
When I was talking about logo, I was referring to the name "Infinity" as 
being a casual one. Not the logo itself which already has the guidelines 
associated with them.

Rahul

[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

Rahul Sundaram escribió:
>  Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> >  As some friends and me are preparing a series of Fedora events to 
> > take place in the coming months, we were wondering what is the 
> > correct term for "Fedora Linux" legally speaking. We will be making 
> > some stickers which amongst other things will feature the legend 
> > "Fedora Linux", and since Linux when used in certain contexts can be 
> > referred to as Linux®, also I remember that Red Hat refers to Fedora 
> > as Fedora™, so when put together both terms, what is the correct way 
> > to put them:
> >
> > Fedora™ Linux®
> > Fedora Linux®
> > Fedora® Linux®
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I do believe that the same applies to the Logo, where the Infinity 
> > Logo is accompanied by the ® symbol, but I'm not sure.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your inputs and clarifications.
>
>  We dont call the distribution "Fedora Linux". We currently call it 
>  "Fedora Core". There is currently a discussion about merging core and 
>  extras (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraSummit) and the new name 
>  post merger hasnt been decided yet but "Fedora" and "Fedora Linux"
> are 
>  potential candidates.
>
>  Currently you can call it Fedora Core™ but I would avoid the "TM" in 
>  normal references. The logo doesnt have any registered trademarks 
>  associated with it and the names are more casual.
>
>  Rahul
>  
Thanks for the clarification, Rahul. So it is pefectly OK that the 
Stickers only mention Fedora? I thought of tossing the "Linux" there as 
to point out that we're using Linux, strictly for users unfamiliar with 
Linux in general and Fedora in particular, we are still in the "design" 
phase, so we can change the stickers quite a bit. Thanks again for your 
input!

[Rahul Sundaram]

Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:

> >
>  Thanks for the clarification, Rahul. So it is pefectly OK that the 
>  Stickers only mention Fedora? 
Yes. It is better to retain the same name for consistency.

  I thought of tossing the "Linux" there as
>  to point out that we're using Linux, strictly for users
> unfamiliar with 
>  Linux in general and Fedora in particular, we are still in the "design" 
>  phase, so we can change the stickers quite a bit. Thanks again for your 
>  input! 
Maybe adding some wording in there would help. On banners, we used to 
print the definition to help end users understand what it means. If you 
need any help with the design, you can post to the fedora-art list.

Rahul

[Christopher Aillon]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>  
> >>
> > Thanks for the clarification, Rahul. So it is pefectly OK that the 
> > Stickers only mention Fedora?
>  
>  Yes. It is better to retain the same name for consistency.
>  
>   I thought of tossing the "Linux" there as
> > to point out that we're using Linux, strictly for users unfamiliar 
> > with Linux in general and Fedora in particular, we are still in the 
> > "design" phase, so we can change the stickers quite a bit. Thanks 
> > again for your input!
>  
>  Maybe adding some wording in there would help. On banners, we used to 
>  print the definition to help end users understand what it means. If you 
>  need any help with the design, you can post to the fedora-art list. 
It might even be wise to submit the final work for approval, just to 
catch any potential problems.

[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

Rahul Sundaram escribió:
>  Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>
> >>
> > Thanks for the clarification, Rahul. So it is pefectly OK that the 
> > Stickers only mention Fedora?
>
>  Yes. It is better to retain the same name for consistency.
>
>   I thought of tossing the "Linux" there as
> > to point out that we're using Linux, strictly for users unfamiliar 
> > with Linux in general and Fedora in particular, we are still in the 
> > "design" phase, so we can change the stickers quite a bit. Thanks 
> > again for your input!
>
>  Maybe adding some wording in there would help. On banners, we used to 
>  print the definition to help end users understand what it means. If 
>  you need any help with the design, you can post to the fedora-art list.
>
>  Rahul
>  
Thanks again, Rahul. Your input is very appreciated, as always. I have 
one basic design for "case stickers" as we'll be holding an Install-Fest 
(as we have grown fond to call the event) focused on Fedora Core 6 and 
as such we wanted to give the participants not only Fedora related 
media, but also a computer case sticker as I've seen a couple for Ubuntu 
systems, and I thought why didn't we have some. When we're set on the 
final design I'll post pics here.

[Rahul Sundaram]

Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:

> >
>  Thanks again, Rahul. Your input is very appreciated, as always. 
Welcome.

  I have
>  one basic design for "case stickers" as we'll be
> holding an Install-Fest 
>  (as we have grown fond to call the event) focused on Fedora Core 6 and 
>  as such we wanted to give the participants not only Fedora related 
>  media, but also a computer case sticker as I've seen a couple for Ubuntu 
>  systems, and I thought why didn't we have some. When we're set on the 
>  final design I'll post pics here. 
I am not sure how you guys are doing the design but the source format in 
a liberal license would be quite useful for the Fedora Artwork team to 
reuse it if we can. I am pretty sure we are going to do a set of branded 
items for every release based on the theme concept for that release like 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt and we might as well as 
include case stickers in that.

Rahul