Fedora 23 Alpha Readiness

[Joe Brockmeier]

Hey all,

There's a readiness meeting for this Thursday, how're we doing on
marketing tasks? Any folks interested in taking up the announcements
this time around?

Best,

jzb
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[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno lun, 03/08/2015 alle 12.52 -0400, Joe Brockmeier ha scritto:
>  Hey all, 
Hello,

>  
>  There's a readiness meeting for this Thursday, how're we doing on
>  marketing tasks?  
> From marketing tasks [0]: 
- Cleanup Marketing wiki from previous releases -> I think it's related
to this page [1] and seems ok (except for the screenshots still F21).

- Cycle Marketing wiki pages for current release -> I don't know if
done (honestly I still have issues to understand what does it mean,
sorry).

- Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) -> as above
 
- Spins Freeze--All Fedora 23 Spins Identified -> not clear yet [2]

- Create Talking Points -> not done 

- Proposed Changes Profiles -> [3]?

- Fedora 23 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting -> anyone will attend? 

- Create Alpha Announcement (Marketing & Docs) -> not done. 



>  Any folks interested in taking up the announcements
>  this time around? 
I'm going to take up the announcement and the talking point pages, is
there any draft? Or can I follow the previous [4]?


>  
>  Best,
>  
>  jzb
>  --  
Gabri

[0] 
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-marketing-tasks.html
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Spins
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/ChangeSet
[4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F22_Alpha_release_announcement


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[Joe Brockmeier]

On 08/03/2015 02:47 PM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
>  I'm going to take up the announcement and the talking point
> pages, is
>  there any draft? Or can I follow the previous [4]? 
I haven't started a draft. I'd probably start with the previous release
or from scratch.

It may help to have the talking points first, though we may need to
develop them simultaneously since we're very close to the deadline for
the announcement.

Best,

jzb
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[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno lun, 03/08/2015 alle 14.55 -0400, Joe Brockmeier ha scritto:

>  
>  It may help to have the talking points first, though we may need to
>  develop them simultaneously since we're very close to the deadline 
>  for
>  the announcement. 
Here's the draft 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_talking_points
I tried to split up features/changes in the right flavours, but if you
take a look, I'll be more pleased.

There's to check out the state of "Fedora 23 Boost 1.59 Uplift".

Thanks.

Gabri

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 08/03/2015 04:57 PM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> > > It may help to have the talking points first, though we may
> need to
> > > develop them simultaneously since we're very close to the deadline 
> > > for
> > > the announcement.
>  Here's the draft 
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_talking_points
>  I tried to split up features/changes in the right flavours, but if you
>  take a look, I'll be more pleased.
>  
>  There's to check out the state of "Fedora 23 Boost 1.59 Uplift". 
Haven't had a chance to look yet, but we also need to get this in front
of the cloud, server, and workstation groups.
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[Gabriele Trombini]

>  Il giorno 03/ago/2015, alle ore 23:24, Joe Brockmeier
> <jzb(a)redhat.com&gt; ha scritto:
>  
>  On 08/03/2015 04:57 PM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> >>> It may help to have the talking points first, though we may need to
> >>> develop them simultaneously since we're very close to the deadline 
> >>> for
> >>> the announcement.
> > Here's the draft 
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_talking_points
> > I tried to split up features/changes in the right flavours, but if you
> > take a look, I'll be more pleased.
> > 
> > There's to check out the state of "Fedora 23 Boost 1.59 Uplift".
>  
>  Haven't had a chance to look yet, but we also need to get this in front
>  of the cloud, server, and workstation groups. 
Ok, here's late, I'll do tomorrow.
Have a good day.
Gabri

[Ankur Sinha]

On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 20:47 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
>  Hello, 
Hiya!

Before I begin working on screenshots for F23, do we need them? I ask
because we didn't do them for F22.

I've created an empty wiki page already, but thought I'd confirm before
I started getting screenshots.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_screenshots_library
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 17:00 +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  Hiya! 
I can work on the one page release notes if we want to do them this
release. Do we? They were done last for F15 from the looks of it:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:One_page_release_notes

Here is the SOP:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes_SOP

Just so I understand this correctly, the release notes that docs do are
most detailed. Then, we summarise them into talking points (which
mailga did), and then we further summarise these into a page which
becomes the one page release notes?
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno mar, 04/08/2015 alle 17.09 +0100, Ankur Sinha ha scritto:
>  On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 17:00 +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  > Hiya!
>  
>  I can work on the one page release notes if we want to do them this
>  release. Do we? They were done last for F15 from the looks of it:
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:One_page_release_notes
>  
>  Here is the SOP:
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/One_page_release_notes_SOP
>  
>  Just so I understand this correctly, the release notes that docs do 
>  are
>  most detailed. Then, we summarise them into talking points (which
>  mailga did), and then we further summarise these into a page which
>  becomes the one page release notes?
>  -- 
I think the one page release notes is unnecessary.
We skipped them for many previous releases. 
As you detected is a redundancy of the talking points, that are the
starting points for ambassadors.

The release announcement will summarize the features as well as talking
points do, so we can avoid to report again the same things.

IMHO.

Gabri

[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno mar, 04/08/2015 alle 17.00 +0100, Ankur Sinha ha scritto:
>  On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 20:47 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  
>  Hiya!
>  
>  Before I begin working on screenshots for F23, do we need them? I ask
>  because we didn't do them for F22.
>  
>  I've created an empty wiki page already, but thought I'd confirm 
>  before
>  I started getting screenshots.
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_screenshots_library 
Hello Ankur,

correct; your page is linked in the main marketing wikipage 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing.

You can upload screenshot there.

Thanks.

Gabri

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 18:13 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
>  Hello Ankur, 
Heya Mailga,


>  correct; your page is linked in the main marketing wikipage 
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing.
>  
>  You can upload screenshot there. 
I'm asking if we really want a library of screen-shots - are they used
at all? Or is this another legacy deliverable that we are no longer
interested in?
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno mar, 04/08/2015 alle 17.21 +0100, Ankur Sinha ha scritto:
>  On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 18:13 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote: 
>  I'm asking if we really want a library of screen-shots - are they
>
>  used
>  at all? Or is this another legacy deliverable that we are no longer
>  interested in? 
I think they still have worth for the users. E.g. many of them need the
screenshot when are going to write installation notes in their locale
or also are useful to see in advance the desktop and so on.

Its also a question of brand: doesn't provide screenshots may appear as
a lack of care.

Gabri

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 18:34 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
>  I think they still have worth for the users. E.g. many of them need 
>  the
>  screenshot when are going to write installation notes in their locale
>  or also are useful to see in advance the desktop and so on. 
Well, I don't know how many users pick screenshots from the wiki. We
didn't have them for F22 and we received no complaints. Unfortunately,
we have no metrics on this, so I'm just assuming that the screenshots
aren't used too much. It's much easier for people to take screenshots
on their own systems than to fetch them from our wiki page which isn't
well advertised.

>  
>  Its also a question of brand: doesn't provide screenshots may appear 
>  as
>  a lack of care. 
getfedora.org does have images on the products. If we do a screenshot
library, could we maybe have a link to this on getfedora.org? Something
like "See more screenshots!". 

The one issue I have with this is that the wiki isn't the most posh
place to host a screenshot library if we're thinking of advertising it
to users. Should we use the wiki as an image dump for ourselves and
then put the best up on Flickr or something with CC licenses? (Flickr
or another open source image platform)
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

[Chris Roberts]

Hi,

I think going back to the other email post, about screenshots, since we have Fedora Next I
would like to get away from the wiki and have something that would match the theme of the
Fedora Next web pages. Maybe Design could come up with some cool pictures or some banners
for the article on the Magazine.

- Chris Roberts

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ankur Sinha" <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com&gt;
To: marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:43:14 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora 23 Alpha Readiness

On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 18:34 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
>  I think they still have worth for the users. E.g. many of them need 
>  the
>  screenshot when are going to write installation notes in their locale
>  or also are useful to see in advance the desktop and so on. 
Well, I don't know how many users pick screenshots from the wiki. We
didn't have them for F22 and we received no complaints. Unfortunately,
we have no metrics on this, so I'm just assuming that the screenshots
aren't used too much. It's much easier for people to take screenshots
on their own systems than to fetch them from our wiki page which isn't
well advertised.

>  
>  Its also a question of brand: doesn't provide screenshots may appear 
>  as
>  a lack of care. 
getfedora.org does have images on the products. If we do a screenshot
library, could we maybe have a link to this on getfedora.org? Something
like "See more screenshots!". 

The one issue I have with this is that the wiki isn't the most posh
place to host a screenshot library if we're thinking of advertising it
to users. Should we use the wiki as an image dump for ourselves and
then put the best up on Flickr or something with CC licenses? (Flickr
or another open source image platform)
-- 
Thanks,
Regards,
Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

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[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 05:43:14PM +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  Well, I don't know how many users pick screenshots from the wiki.
> We
>  didn't have them for F22 and we received no complaints. Unfortunately,
>  we have no metrics on this, so I'm just assuming that the screenshots
>  aren't used too much. It's much easier for people to take screenshots
>  on their own systems than to fetch them from our wiki page which isn't
>  well advertised. 
We also didn't get much press _at all_ on Fedora 22. I don't know if
this is related — screenshot-tour articles have historically been
common. I guess worth looking back at those to see if those are their
own screenshots (in which case we're really just competing with our own
press!) or if they used ours (resulting in more articles).

>  The one issue I have with this is that the wiki isn't the most
> posh
>  place to host a screenshot library if we're thinking of advertising it
>  to users. Should we use the wiki as an image dump for ourselves and
>  then put the best up on Flickr or something with CC licenses? (Flickr
>  or another open source image platform) 
Yeah I think a good rule is: we should *never* send end-users to the
wiki.



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<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 08/04/2015 12:00 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  Before I begin working on screenshots for F23, do we need them? I
> ask
>  because we didn't do them for F22. 
We didn't? Yes, we want screenshots for each release.

Best,

jzb
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