7:36 p.m.
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
So, what was the result of the conversations we had about this?
I've been too much on planes and trains and not enough on mailing lists.
Did we ever *have* a public conversation about this? Perhaps it was in
the last Fedora Marketing meeting. I'll have to go back and check the
meeting minutes.
--Max
2:41 p.m.
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 20:36 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> So, what was the result of the conversations we had about this?
I've been too much on planes and trains and not enough on mailing lists.
Did we ever *have* a public conversation about this? Perhaps it was in
the last Fedora Marketing meeting. I'll have to go back and check the
meeting minutes.
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago.
No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around.
- Karsten
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2:42 a.m.
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago.
No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around.
Cheers.
In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com
blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on
news.fp.o.
I know we'll get there eventually with a Fedora/Red Hat hosted
solution, but I think just getting started now will be well worth the
effort.
Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours,
I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write
some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to
planet.
Jon
11:30 a.m.
2008/10/10 Jonathan Roberts <jonrob(a)fedoraproject.org>:
> Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago.
>
> No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around.
Cheers.
In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com
blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on
news.fp.o.
I know we'll get there eventually with a Fedora/Red Hat hosted
solution, but I think just getting started now will be well worth the
effort.
Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours,
I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write
some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to
planet.
Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for
fedoramagazine.wordpress.com.
========
What's This All About?
It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to
establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's
dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora
community. We've been working with various members of the
infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own
servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to
arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test
installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set
up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping
can work together to develop a good work flow and practice creating
content that is of a consistently high quality.
This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own
infrastructure, just that that's no longer such a pressing concern and
it can happen when it happens.
What Can We Expect?
Over the past few months there have been lots of different ideas
thrown around about what kind of content we might want to post to a
Fedora Magazine, and we'll probably see a lot of experimentation with
different formulas over the next few months too, but the picture I
post here is how we're going to start.
Our primary content will be structured around the days of the week,
with each one having a theme:
* Mondays: Fedora Weekly News - your chance to catch up on
Fedora's mailing lists and blogs from all across the community.
* Tuesdays: Developer Interview - find out what exciting features
Fedora developers are working on for the next release.
* Wednesdays: Hints & Tips - discover lots of little ways to get
more out of your system, tackling common annoyances as well as cool
how-tos.
* Thursdays: Fedora Weekly Webcomic - take an alternative look at
Fedora goings-on with Nicu's webcomic.
* Fridays: Contributor Guides - want to start contributing to
Fedora but don't know how; look here.
Hopefully this content will form the core of what we'll do. Much of it
is already being regularly produced from a number of community
members, helping us to get off to a running start! It may be that not
all of it will be in place from the very beginning, but hopefully over
the next few weeks things will fall into place.
Around this core there will be extra posts from time to time, covering
all sorts from release announcements, to editorial content to tutorial
series. We hope that readers will enjoy what we produce, and hopefully
become contributors themselves at some point. If you have any ideas
for articles, or even for a series of posts, drop an email to jonrob
AT fedoraproject DOT org and we'll take it from there.
We'll see you on Monday!
=======
Further feedback is *welcome*, whether on the post or the idea.
Editing is definitely welcome on the post...
Jon
4:05 a.m.
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>
> Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours,
> I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write
> some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to
> planet.
Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for
fedoramagazine.wordpress.com.
I don't want to stop you but why isn't the blog being hosted in Fedora
infrastructure? Did we run into any problems?
Rahul
4:16 a.m.
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours,
>> I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write
>> some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to
>> planet.
>
> Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for
> fedoramagazine.wordpress.com.
I don't want to stop you but why isn't the blog being hosted in Fedora
infrastructure? Did we run into any problems?
It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post, this
isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of
facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like
this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is
probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join
and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to
Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress
respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want
to do this.
"This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own
infrastructure, just that that's no longer such a pressing concern and
it can happen when it happens."
Should perhaps say:
"This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own
infrastructure, just that now we have somewhere to start that
particular concern no longer needs to limit us: the move to Fedora's
infrastructure can happen when it happens."
Or something along those lines.
Jon
4:27 a.m.
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post,
this
isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of
facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like
this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is
probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join
and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to
Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress
respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want
to do this.
Ok. How does the workflow look like though? Do you share the same
password with many editors or you want to act as a gateway by asking
people to mail you the content?
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
Rahul
4:45 a.m.
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post, this
> isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of
> facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like
> this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is
> probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join
> and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to
> Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress
> respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want
> to do this.
Ok. How does the workflow look like though? Do you share the same password
with many editors or you want to act as a gateway by asking people to mail
you the content?
WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same
workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to
contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be
added in any number of different roles such as editor, author,
contributor etc.
I'd rather not act as a single gateway as that's a sure fire way to
kill a project like this, I'm going to get busier over the next few
months and relying on just me to post content would be a big mistake!
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
Hadn't considered it actually. Not convinced it's necessary at the
moment, but maybe it's a good idea.
Jon
6:55 a.m.
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same
workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to
contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be
added in any number of different roles such as editor, author,
contributor etc.
Alright. Registered at http://rahulsundaram.wordpress.com/
I'd rather not act as a single gateway as that's a sure fire
way to
kill a project like this, I'm going to get busier over the next few
months and relying on just me to post content would be a big mistake!
> Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
Hadn't considered it actually. Not convinced it's necessary at the
moment, but maybe it's a good idea.
Yeah.
Rahul
7:12 a.m.
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>
> WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same
> workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to
> contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be
> added in any number of different roles such as editor, author,
> contributor etc.
Alright. Registered at http://rahulsundaram.wordpress.com/
What email address did you use to register? That's the part I need to
know. Will add this information to the initial post and put that up
later today I think.
After you send me your email address, I'll add you as an
administrator. Think we could do with discussing some guides about
how/when to post, criteria for adding users for each of the different
roles etc?
Jon
7:38 a.m.
Updated introductory text below:
========================
What's This All About?
It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to
establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's
dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora
community. We've been working with various members of the
infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own
servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to
arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test
installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set
up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping
can develop a good work flow and start creating content that is of a
consistently high quality.
This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own
infrastructure, just that now we have somewhere to start that
particular concern no longer needs to limit us: the move to Fedora's
infrastructure can happen when it happens.
What Can We Expect?
Over the past few months there have been lots of different ideas
thrown around about what kind of content we might want to post to a
Fedora Magazine, and we'll probably see a lot of experimentation with
different formulas over the next few months too, but the picture I
post here is how we're going to start.
Our primary content will be structured around the days of the week,
with each one having a theme:
* Mondays: Fedora Weekly News - your chance to catch up on
Fedora's mailing lists and blogs from all across the community.
* Tuesdays: Developer Interview - find out what exciting features
Fedora developers are working on for the next release.
* Wednesdays: Hints & Tips - discover lots of little ways to get
more out of your system, tackling common annoyances as well as cool
how-tos.
* Thursdays: Fedora Weekly Webcomic - take an alternative look at
Fedora goings-on with Nicu's webcomic.
* Fridays: Contributor Guides - want to start contributing to
Fedora but don't know how; look here.
Hopefully this content will form the core of what we'll do. Much of it
is already being regularly produced from a number of community
members, helping us to get off to a running start! It may be that not
all of it will be in place from the very beginning, but hopefully over
the next few weeks things will develop nicely.
Around this core there will be extra posts from time to time, covering
all sorts from release announcements, to editorial content to tutorial
series. We hope that readers will enjoy what we produce, and hopefully
become contributors themselves at some point.
How Do I Become A Contributor?
We will make more details available about how to get involved with
this project over the coming days, as we figure out for ourselves how
we want to add new contributors and decide what to post outside of the
core content described above. If you'd like to help hash out these
details, join us on the fedora-marketing-list where these discussions
are happening.
The most likely outcome is that it will be a combination of email
submissions for one-time contributions, and adding as a blog member
for those who wish to be a more permanent part of the project. The
latter will probably take advantage of WordPress's roles feature, with
a combination of editor and contributor roles used for the majority of
users based upon interests, reputation and open spaces.
==============================
Jon
3:05 a.m.
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Updated introductory text below:
========================
What's This All About?
It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to
establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's
dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora
community. We've been working with various members of the
infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own
servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to
arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test
installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set
up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping
can develop a good work flow and start creating content that is of a
consistently high quality.
I see you included my webcomic in this schedule, I wonder if this is
supposed to involve some changes, like an editorial review, me being
less silly or poking less fun at Ubuntu?
Or just be trying to be more disciplined and have it always ready one
day in advance?
--
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro
3:49 a.m.
I see you included my webcomic in this schedule, I wonder if this is
supposed to involve some changes, like an editorial review, me being less
silly or poking less fun at Ubuntu?
Or just be trying to be more disciplined and have it always ready one day in
advance?
Should have been clearer about this I guess:
everything I've included in the schedule is either content that will
need to be created as original material, or like your webcomic is
under an open license. For the latter, I didn't intend to ask for any
changes to the material, just to make use of what is already available
to us in the best possible way.
If you'd like, however, I hope that through this project we might be
able to establish the team and resources that we could help out with
some kind of editorial review. Like I've been saying however, this is
very much a test, it is very open to change and tweaking, whether to
accommodate us or creators of content, so feedback is most welcome :)
I hope this is OK?
Jon
8:21 a.m.
On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 13:12 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>:
> Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>>
>> WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same
>> workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to
>> contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be
>> added in any number of different roles such as editor, author,
>> contributor etc.
>
> Alright. Registered at http://rahulsundaram.wordpress.com/
What email address did you use to register? That's the part I need to
know. Will add this information to the initial post and put that up
later today I think.
After you send me your email address, I'll add you as an
administrator. Think we could do with discussing some guides about
how/when to post, criteria for adding users for each of the different
roles etc?
I have an account too, using this email address, at stickster.wp.c.
--
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3 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
I think you should ask ASAP for a subdomain redirection from fp.o to
fm.wp.c: if you change the domain name later, all the PageRank
accumulated in the meantime will be practically lost.
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Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
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