So, what was the result of the conversations we had about this?
Jon
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
So, what was the result of the conversations we had about this?
I've been too much on planes and trains and not enough on mailing lists. Did we ever *have* a public conversation about this? Perhaps it was in the last Fedora Marketing meeting. I'll have to go back and check the meeting minutes.
--Max
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 20:36 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
So, what was the result of the conversations we had about this?
I've been too much on planes and trains and not enough on mailing lists. Did we ever *have* a public conversation about this? Perhaps it was in the last Fedora Marketing meeting. I'll have to go back and check the meeting minutes.
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago.
No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around.
- Karsten
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago.
No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around.
Cheers.
In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on news.fp.o.
I know we'll get there eventually with a Fedora/Red Hat hosted solution, but I think just getting started now will be well worth the effort.
Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours, I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to planet.
Jon
2008/10/10 Jonathan Roberts jonrob@fedoraproject.org:
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago.
No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around.
Cheers.
In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on news.fp.o.
I know we'll get there eventually with a Fedora/Red Hat hosted solution, but I think just getting started now will be well worth the effort.
Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours, I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to planet.
Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for fedoramagazine.wordpress.com.
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What's This All About?
It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora community. We've been working with various members of the infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping can work together to develop a good work flow and practice creating content that is of a consistently high quality.
This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own infrastructure, just that that's no longer such a pressing concern and it can happen when it happens.
What Can We Expect?
Over the past few months there have been lots of different ideas thrown around about what kind of content we might want to post to a Fedora Magazine, and we'll probably see a lot of experimentation with different formulas over the next few months too, but the picture I post here is how we're going to start.
Our primary content will be structured around the days of the week, with each one having a theme:
* Mondays: Fedora Weekly News - your chance to catch up on Fedora's mailing lists and blogs from all across the community. * Tuesdays: Developer Interview - find out what exciting features Fedora developers are working on for the next release. * Wednesdays: Hints & Tips - discover lots of little ways to get more out of your system, tackling common annoyances as well as cool how-tos. * Thursdays: Fedora Weekly Webcomic - take an alternative look at Fedora goings-on with Nicu's webcomic. * Fridays: Contributor Guides - want to start contributing to Fedora but don't know how; look here.
Hopefully this content will form the core of what we'll do. Much of it is already being regularly produced from a number of community members, helping us to get off to a running start! It may be that not all of it will be in place from the very beginning, but hopefully over the next few weeks things will fall into place.
Around this core there will be extra posts from time to time, covering all sorts from release announcements, to editorial content to tutorial series. We hope that readers will enjoy what we produce, and hopefully become contributors themselves at some point. If you have any ideas for articles, or even for a series of posts, drop an email to jonrob AT fedoraproject DOT org and we'll take it from there.
We'll see you on Monday!
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Further feedback is *welcome*, whether on the post or the idea. Editing is definitely welcome on the post...
Jon
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours, I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to planet.
Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for fedoramagazine.wordpress.com.
I don't want to stop you but why isn't the blog being hosted in Fedora infrastructure? Did we run into any problems?
Rahul
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours, I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to planet.
Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for fedoramagazine.wordpress.com.
I don't want to stop you but why isn't the blog being hosted in Fedora infrastructure? Did we run into any problems?
It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post, this isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want to do this.
"This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own infrastructure, just that that's no longer such a pressing concern and it can happen when it happens."
Should perhaps say:
"This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own infrastructure, just that now we have somewhere to start that particular concern no longer needs to limit us: the move to Fedora's infrastructure can happen when it happens."
Or something along those lines.
Jon
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post, this isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want to do this.
Ok. How does the workflow look like though? Do you share the same password with many editors or you want to act as a gateway by asking people to mail you the content?
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
Rahul
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post, this isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want to do this.
Ok. How does the workflow look like though? Do you share the same password with many editors or you want to act as a gateway by asking people to mail you the content?
WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be added in any number of different roles such as editor, author, contributor etc.
I'd rather not act as a single gateway as that's a sure fire way to kill a project like this, I'm going to get busier over the next few months and relying on just me to post content would be a big mistake!
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
Hadn't considered it actually. Not convinced it's necessary at the moment, but maybe it's a good idea.
Jon
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be added in any number of different roles such as editor, author, contributor etc.
Alright. Registered at http://rahulsundaram.wordpress.com/
I'd rather not act as a single gateway as that's a sure fire way to kill a project like this, I'm going to get busier over the next few months and relying on just me to post content would be a big mistake!
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
Hadn't considered it actually. Not convinced it's necessary at the moment, but maybe it's a good idea.
Yeah.
Rahul
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be added in any number of different roles such as editor, author, contributor etc.
Alright. Registered at http://rahulsundaram.wordpress.com/
What email address did you use to register? That's the part I need to know. Will add this information to the initial post and put that up later today I think.
After you send me your email address, I'll add you as an administrator. Think we could do with discussing some guides about how/when to post, criteria for adding users for each of the different roles etc?
Jon
Updated introductory text below:
========================
What's This All About?
It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora community. We've been working with various members of the infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping can develop a good work flow and start creating content that is of a consistently high quality.
This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own infrastructure, just that now we have somewhere to start that particular concern no longer needs to limit us: the move to Fedora's infrastructure can happen when it happens.
What Can We Expect?
Over the past few months there have been lots of different ideas thrown around about what kind of content we might want to post to a Fedora Magazine, and we'll probably see a lot of experimentation with different formulas over the next few months too, but the picture I post here is how we're going to start.
Our primary content will be structured around the days of the week, with each one having a theme:
* Mondays: Fedora Weekly News - your chance to catch up on Fedora's mailing lists and blogs from all across the community. * Tuesdays: Developer Interview - find out what exciting features Fedora developers are working on for the next release. * Wednesdays: Hints & Tips - discover lots of little ways to get more out of your system, tackling common annoyances as well as cool how-tos. * Thursdays: Fedora Weekly Webcomic - take an alternative look at Fedora goings-on with Nicu's webcomic. * Fridays: Contributor Guides - want to start contributing to Fedora but don't know how; look here.
Hopefully this content will form the core of what we'll do. Much of it is already being regularly produced from a number of community members, helping us to get off to a running start! It may be that not all of it will be in place from the very beginning, but hopefully over the next few weeks things will develop nicely.
Around this core there will be extra posts from time to time, covering all sorts from release announcements, to editorial content to tutorial series. We hope that readers will enjoy what we produce, and hopefully become contributors themselves at some point.
How Do I Become A Contributor?
We will make more details available about how to get involved with this project over the coming days, as we figure out for ourselves how we want to add new contributors and decide what to post outside of the core content described above. If you'd like to help hash out these details, join us on the fedora-marketing-list where these discussions are happening.
The most likely outcome is that it will be a combination of email submissions for one-time contributions, and adding as a blog member for those who wish to be a more permanent part of the project. The latter will probably take advantage of WordPress's roles feature, with a combination of editor and contributor roles used for the majority of users based upon interests, reputation and open spaces.
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Jon
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
Updated introductory text below:
========================
What's This All About?
It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora community. We've been working with various members of the infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping can develop a good work flow and start creating content that is of a consistently high quality.
I see you included my webcomic in this schedule, I wonder if this is supposed to involve some changes, like an editorial review, me being less silly or poking less fun at Ubuntu? Or just be trying to be more disciplined and have it always ready one day in advance?
I see you included my webcomic in this schedule, I wonder if this is supposed to involve some changes, like an editorial review, me being less silly or poking less fun at Ubuntu? Or just be trying to be more disciplined and have it always ready one day in advance?
Should have been clearer about this I guess:
everything I've included in the schedule is either content that will need to be created as original material, or like your webcomic is under an open license. For the latter, I didn't intend to ask for any changes to the material, just to make use of what is already available to us in the best possible way.
If you'd like, however, I hope that through this project we might be able to establish the team and resources that we could help out with some kind of editorial review. Like I've been saying however, this is very much a test, it is very open to change and tweaking, whether to accommodate us or creators of content, so feedback is most welcome :)
I hope this is OK?
Jon
On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 13:12 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be added in any number of different roles such as editor, author, contributor etc.
Alright. Registered at http://rahulsundaram.wordpress.com/
What email address did you use to register? That's the part I need to know. Will add this information to the initial post and put that up later today I think.
After you send me your email address, I'll add you as an administrator. Think we could do with discussing some guides about how/when to post, criteria for adding users for each of the different roles etc?
I have an account too, using this email address, at stickster.wp.c.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog?
I think you should ask ASAP for a subdomain redirection from fp.o to fm.wp.c: if you change the domain name later, all the PageRank accumulated in the meantime will be practically lost.
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