Ref:Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD

[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

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Fecha      : Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:46:42 +0530
Asunto : Re: Some users feedback on F8 LiveCD

>  Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>  > Good night all.
>  > 
>  > I was reviewing some feedback I got back from a few friends and relatives about F8
> LiveCD and F8 in general. I'm trying to put together some sort of a "quick"
> introductory "manual" to Fedora and its key features. I'm not trying to
> imitate what's already been done and users can find on the Internet, but rather go a
> bit more in depth with stuff such as very basic introductions to the several programs that
> conform a default desktop installation (hence the use of LiveCDs both GNOME and KDE) for
> users to get acquainted with the OS, and more importantly, the applications they'll
> find. The final objective is to spend less time talking about "the system" and
> spend the bulk of the reader's time talking about the applications. At any rate, while
> reviewing some of the feedback I got from a few (two, actually) users, is concerning one
> application (of the them actually sent the e-mail with a subject [roughly]
> "undocumented application"), they both were talking about Evince, or
> "Document
>   V
>  >  iewer". What they particularly found funny was that Firefox would prompt to
> open PDF (and other file types) with it, but there was no entry for it in the applications
> menu hierarchy. At first I was kind of "shocked" to read this (I guess I've
> been too used at using Evince launched from web browsers that I didn't notice there
> indeed is no menu entry for it). So I felt compelled to ask: What other applications that
> may actually be part of the Desktop are there in the LiveCDs (and default installs) that
> don't have a menu entry as well?
>  > 
>  > I do believe this is indeed important, I for one did not think about it when first
> thinking on writing this "manual", but now that it's been brought to my
> attention, what other "undocumented apps" are there (in the understanding that
> these may be GUI applications without a menu entry)? I think it might be important to
> notice these (from a marketing point of view), and maybe expose them more in our marketing
> efforts? I know the concrete case of Evince is not very appealing to a lot of people (I
> know many who actually despise the app), but there are other such applications (I
> can't think of any out the tip of my mind, at the moment) it may be a good idea to
> explore how to properly raise awareness of them.
>  > 
>  > Any input appreciated.
>  
>  This is probably a question better suited for fedora-desktop list but if 
>  you need to find out yourself, take a look at .desktop files in 
>  /usr/share/applications and grep for "NoDisplay=true". You can also 
>  right click on the application menu and click "Edit Menus" and browse 
>  through the menus and see which ones are hidden.
>  
>  Rahul
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Thank you very much, Rahul. Much appreciated. I can only wonder now why some were left
hidden, but that's really not the point. I was only transmitting what was said to me
from 'fresh' users. Another recurring theme (though I tried to actually a dress
this one with detailed instructions when giving the LiveCDs) was that of the keyboard
layout in the distribution. I'll try to transmit this feedback to the Desktop or
LiveCD lists in regards of choosing the appropriate keyboard layout upon language
selection in GDM for the LiveCD systems. I'm not sure it would be feasible, but at
least was (as I kind of expected) a common observation and desired feature.

These recent efforts had made me want to try to play around with the LiveCD tools to
create a "respin" with localized OOo, of course I know why it was left out of
the LiveCDs (it simply takes too much disk space, and having all locales amounts almost to
an entire 700Mb CD), I wonder how much it would take with only one extra locale (as I
understand US English is "hardcoded"). At any rate, this is no topic for
marketing, but rather for the LiveCD or Desktop lists. Thanks again for your input.