eeedora 2.0 ?

[Valent Turkovic]

Hi,
are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).

I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
Asus eees?

[1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/
[1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora
[2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile

Cheers,
Valent.

[Christos Bacharakis]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Valent Turkovic 
wrote:
> Hi,
> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).
>
> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
> Asus eees?
>
> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/
> [1b http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/%5B1b]
> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora
> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
>
> Cheers,
> Valent.
>
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Hello, I can help and contribute with pleasure. The only problem is that I
don't have an eeepc to work and test.

[María Leandro]

Hi, I think I can contribute also. Here at my office my boss buy a eeepc;
but have to ask if he can let me borrow his PC.

I'll tell you what about.. have a meeting with him right now :D

2008/7/22 Christos Bacharakis :
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Valent Turkovic <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
> > eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
> > is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).
> >
> > I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
> > coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
> > much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
> > Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
> > Asus eees?
> >
> > [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/
> > [1b http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/%5B1b]
> > http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora
> > [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Valent.
> >
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> Hello, I can help and contribute with pleasure. The only problem is that I
> don't have an eeepc to work and test.
>
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[Mathieu Bridon]

As Nicu said, people are already working on this inside Fedora, instead of
creating a new distribution.

Here is a link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc

Regards,

----------

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
French Fedora Ambassador

----------
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
 deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

[Nicu Buculei]

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> As Nicu said, people are already working on this inside Fedora, instead of
> creating a new distribution.
>
> Here is a link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc

Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about 
the wallpaper size?

In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop 
wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701).

However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch 
this summer models with larger display, 8.9-10", with a resolution of 
1024x600px.
We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to 
include only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized 
vor various aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should 
be 1024x600 (those with 7" displays will show a resized version, it is 
better in such cases to scale down than to scale up).

It is OK to "sacrifice" (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is 
not the "coolest thing" any more (and it has a slightly different aspect 
ratio)?

[Mathieu Bridon]

> Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about
> the wallpaper size?
>
> In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop
> wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701).
>
> However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch
> this summer models with larger display, 8.9-10", with a resolution of
> 1024x600px.
> We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to
> include only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized
> vor various aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should
> be 1024x600 (those with 7" displays will show a resized version, it is
> better in such cases to scale down than to scale up).
>
> It is OK to "sacrifice" (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is
> not the "coolest thing" any more (and it has a slightly different aspect
> ratio)?

I've always wondered why we don't use SVG wallpapers... Is it too much
resources consuming to redraw the wallpaper ?

On the other hand, those tiny-ultra-mini-extra-small-portable are not
racing horses, and they are more (at least to me) some kind of super
electronic note-books (I'm speaking about a real paper note-book, not
about a laptop). So maybe they don't need the animated wallpaper and a
static version could be provided.

Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the
same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't
want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs /
updates would not download the whole big almighty package...

----------

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
French Fedora Ambassador

----------
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
 deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

[Nicu Buculei]

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> I've always wondered why we don't use SVG wallpapers... Is it too much
> resources consuming to redraw the wallpaper ?

The first problem is that sometime we make use of advanced features in 
SVG which are not rendered properly by Nautilus. And yes, for complex 
images the resource consumption *is* a problem.
> On the other hand, those tiny-ultra-mini-extra-small-portable are not
> racing horses, and they are more (at least to me) some kind of super
> electronic note-books (I'm speaking about a real paper note-book, not
> about a laptop). So maybe they don't need the animated wallpaper and a
> static version could be provided.

I am not the expert to talk about that (and probably this is not the 
right place, most likely the desktop or devel list) but I think the 
animation is not a problem.
> Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the
> same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't
> want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs /
> updates would not download the whole big almighty package...

Sometime the space on media is a problem (think about the LiveCD) and 
even the space on your hdd may be a problem (think at first gen Eee PC 
701, with 2-4GB of storage).

And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our 
identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I 
understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small 
resolution version of the default wallpaper).

[Mathieu Bridon]

> > Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the
> > same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't
> > want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs
> > /
> > updates would not download the whole big almighty package...
>
> Sometime the space on media is a problem (think about the LiveCD) and
> even the space on your hdd may be a problem (think at first gen Eee PC
> 701, with 2-4GB of storage).
>
> And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our
> identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I
> understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small
> resolution version of the default wallpaper).

That's exactly why I was suggesting to split the current package, so that
each spin could have its own wallpaper. And on the DVD, I don't think we
are currently running out of space...

----------

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
French Fedora Ambassador

----------
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
 deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

[Nicu Buculei]

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> > And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our
> > identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I
> > understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small
> > resolution version of the default wallpaper).
>
> That's exactly why I was suggesting to split the current package, so that
> each spin could have its own wallpaper. And on the DVD, I don't think we
> are currently running out of space...

Then maybe someone should fill a bug against that package, I doubt the 
desktop guys read this list. Or talk on the spins SIG about which 
defaults are acceptable to be changed in a spin.

As for CD versus DVD, I have the feeling that lately we promote more and 
more the "Desktop" Live CD (where we have a number of package which 
deserve to be included but not enough space for them).

[Valent Turkovic]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Nicu Buculei  wrote:
> Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> > As Nicu said, people are already working on this inside Fedora, instead of
> > creating a new distribution.
> >
> > Here is a link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc
>
> Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about the
> wallpaper size?
>
> In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop
> wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701).
>
> However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch this
> summer models with larger display, 8.9-10", with a resolution of 1024x600px.
> We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to include
> only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized vor various
> aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should be 1024x600
> (those with 7" displays will show a resized version, it is better in such
> cases to scale down than to scale up).
>
> It is OK to "sacrifice" (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is not
> the "coolest thing" any more (and it has a slightly different aspect ratio)?
>
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Because of the price point eee 701 won't go "out of style" that fast.
Newer machines a more expensive and as they come the price for
"original" eee (701) will go even more down. So I guess that more and
more people will have eee 701. So please keep that in mind.

Valent.

[Nicu Buculei]

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).
>
> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
> Asus eees?

My guess is that more people are interested running the "normal" distro 
on that machine (for one, I would be), so maybe probably a better effort 
would be to make Fedora proper work out of the box. Also, the "eeedora 
way" may not be the "best way", on Fedora people are encouraged to work 
upstream (here upstream would be Fedora). How about having it as one of 
the Fedora spins?

On another point, there are a lot of other machines out there (currently 
at least from MSI and Acer) with about the same hardware, it is correct 
to label them as "Eee"? (note: I prospect the buy of such machine 
myself, one not made by Asus, only if they would sell around here 
something *not* pink and my intention is to run the full desktop distro 
on the thing).

[Clint Savage]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic
 wrote:
> Hi,
> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).
>
> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
> Asus eees?
>
> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/
> [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora
> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile

I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about
finished.  Things are working almost perfectly.

I have it working as a LiveCD right now.

Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks

Cheers,

Clint

[Valent Turkovic]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Clint Savage  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
> > eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
> > is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).
> >
> > I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
> > coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
> > much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
> > Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
> > Asus eees?
> >
> > [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/
> > [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora
> > [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
>
> I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about
> finished.  Things are working almost perfectly.
>
> I have it working as a LiveCD right now.
>
> Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clint
>
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I see that you put gnome as the default, but for a such a small laptop
and with limited resources (600Mhz with 512MB RAM) it makes sense to
atleast put some alternative there, I would even go so far to install
gnome but not make it defalt but something that uses less resources.

Valent.

[Valent Turkovic]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Clint Savage  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by
> > eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it
> > is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong).
> >
> > I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a
> > coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a
> > much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using
> > Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their
> > Asus eees?
> >
> > [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/
> > [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora
> > [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
>
> I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about
> finished.  Things are working almost perfectly.
>
> I have it working as a LiveCD right now.
>
> Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clint
>
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Great script!

[Clint Savage]

> > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about
> > finished.  Things are working almost perfectly.
> >
> > I have it working as a LiveCD right now.
> >
> > Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Clint
> >
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>
> Great script!

Thanks Valent, I just wish I had a hundred hours in each day so I
could finish stuff like that as I still feel like its not done...

This is encouraging though, and I have already made improvements on it
since I uploaded.  I will probably work to submit it to the spins git
repository now so that others can help.

Cheers,

Clint

[Valent Turkovic]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Clint Savage  wrote:
> > > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about
> > > finished.  Things are working almost perfectly.
> > >
> > > I have it working as a LiveCD right now.
> > >
> > > Check out the latest ks file --> http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Clint
> > >
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> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
> >
> > Great script!
>
> Thanks Valent, I just wish I had a hundred hours in each day so I
> could finish stuff like that as I still feel like its not done...
>
> This is encouraging though, and I have already made improvements on it
> since I uploaded.  I will probably work to submit it to the spins git
> repository now so that others can help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clint
>
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I'm listening now to Linux Link Tech Show episode 257 [1] and around
28 minutes they start raving about Ubuntu eee version - eeebuntu the
special "Netbook Remix". They loved it. You can see it in action on
youtube [2].

What is your oppinion about it?

Cheers,
Valent.

[1] http://tllts.org/mirror.php?fname=tllts_257-08-06-08.ogg or
http://tllts.org/mirror.php?fname=tllts_257-08-06-08.mp3
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD9vfu5nSe

[David Nielsen]

2008/8/13 Valent Turkovic
> I'm listening now to Linux Link Tech Show episode 257 [1] and around
> 28 minutes they start raving about Ubuntu eee version - eeebuntu the
> special "Netbook Remix". They loved it. You can see it in action on
> youtube [2].
>
> What is your oppinion about it?

I think it suffers from the fundamental design of assuming that it is a good
idea to near verbetum press the same OS experience into a 8.9" screen as I
use on my 20,1" screen. On a netbook I want one app filling the entire
screen as I use it, there shouldn't be windows to move around.. I mean why?

I recently had a chance to play with an eeePC and the default interface
really impressed me. Clean, organised, roughly, after tasks (not like Ubuntu
MID after application groups - e.g. where does email go.. internet or
office?) and when I use an application my machine is dedicated to it with an
easily visble way to slip back and pick a second fullscreen app.

I would much prefer something like Sugar on my upcoming netbook device to
this approach.

That being said I believe we have a deligent volunteer porting Ubuntu MID to
Fedora, and those efforts are naturally great, there will be people who like
this approach and offering it with Fedora branding and love would maybe help
Fedora serve those people and get us into the netbook market (more so than
Acer Aspire Ones Linpus Fedora based system already does).

- David

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