Red Hat Fedora Linux 10 nears 1 million user mark

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi,

Two things:

1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"?
2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora 
10. Should we look into this?

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-near...

"Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, 
and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses 
a system to measure active installations that check the update 
repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use."

Rahul

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Two things:
>  
>  1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? 
Yes.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Steven Moix]

On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Two things:
>  
>  1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"?
>  2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora 
>  10. Should we look into this?
>  
>  http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-near...
>  
>  "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, 
>  and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses 
>  a system to measure active installations that check the update 
>  repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use." 
The stats are from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics but the
methodology got changed since F9. Hard to say what is true :)

Steven

[Andrew Jamison]

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Two things:
>  
>  1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"?
>  2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora
>  10. Should we look into this?
>  
>  http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-near...
>  
>  
>  "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008,
>  and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses
>  a system to measure active installations that check the update
>  repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use."
>  
>  Rahul
>   
Very good news I love seeing Fedora rise in use numbers :)
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[Pablo Barrera]

>  :
>  > 
>  > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? 
This will happen when Fedora reachs the Long Term Support, until this
day will be for others outside community a beta testing distro
concept....

This is the only thing that fedora needs to become a "non Red Hat child"

IMHO

P.

[Larry Cafiero]

That may be, Pablo, but if the reporter/journalist wants to be accurate,
s/he will call it just "Fedora."

Larry Cafiero

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Pablo Barrera <
pablobarrera(a)proyectofedora.org&gt; wrote:

>  > :
>  > >
>  > > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"?
>
>  This will happen when Fedora reachs the Long Term Support, until this
>  day will be for others outside community a beta testing distro
>  concept....
>
>  This is the only thing that fedora needs to become a "non Red Hat child"
>
>  IMHO
>
>  P.
>
>
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 06:54:02PM +0100, Steven Moix wrote:
>  On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > Two things:
>  > 
>  > 1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"? 
Yes, politely and consistently, by pointing out: Fedora is released by
a community of contributors, which includes volunteers and Red Hat
employees.  Red Hat sponsors the project and provides substantial
engineering support, but a great deal of the work for each release,
including bug fixing, packaging, translation, documentation, artwork,
and other work is done in partnership by the entire community."

>  > 2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and
> Fedora 
>  > 10. Should we look into this?
>  > 
>  > http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-near...
>  > 
>  > "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, 
>  > and is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses 
>  > a system to measure active installations that check the update 
>  > repositories in order to determine how many installations are in use."
>  
>  The stats are from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics but the
>  methodology got changed since F9. Hard to say what is true :) 
To which methodology are you referring?  There is a slight difference
in the way that yum update stats are gathered.  But I've added a row
for that metric that shows the difference between the "mixed" version
and the "new" version of the number gathering method, which is
minimal.

Let's also keep in mind that these numbers -- IP address checkins for
updates are cumulative over time.  Fedora 8 has had about 16 months to
gather statistics, Fedora 9 has had about 9 or so, and Fedora 10 has
had 3 months.  Similarly with many of the other statistics.  

It's much better to draw a line between the same point in time for
each release, and if you look at the current statistics, for example,
Fedora 10 is *outpacing* Fedora 9 updates for the same period in time
(12 weeks after release), by about 15%, which is quite substantial.

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[Lisa Hoover]

For what it's worth, it drives me nuts too. :-)

http://twitter.com/LisaH/status/1250731663

Lisa Hoover


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org
>  wrote: 
>  Hi,
>
>  Two things:
>
>  1) Should we get reporters to stop calling it "Red Hat Fedora"?
>  2) The article claims Fedora 8 has more users than Fedora 9 and Fedora 10.
>  Should we look into this?
>
>
>  http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/02/red-hat-fedora-linux-10-near...
>
>  "Red Hat's Fedora Linux 10 has been out since the end of November 2008, and
>  is now hovering around the 1 million installations mark. Fedora uses a
>  system to measure active installations that check the update repositories in
>  order to determine how many installations are in use."
>
>  Rahul
>
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>

[Pablo Barrera]

Hi Larry and all

El mié, 25-02-2009 a las 11:29 -0800, Larry Cafiero escribió:
>  That may be, Pablo, but if the reporter/journalist wants to be
>  accurate, s/he will call it just "Fedora." 
Of course, but this kind of mistakes happens all the time all around the
world. Confusing terms like Open Source with Free Software, Digital
break with Telecenters Concept, is a common mistake from Journalist. 

I think that the mistakes comes from a common issue called " The
Community Edition of Red Hat". This is the first concept that must be
removed. An official communication from FAMSCO to all the known press
sources, attaching i.e the Max spevack comments around that Fedora is
not a Beta of Red Hat, could clarify the situation. 

its true Larry, journalists comits mistakes, anyway...is better to read 
a Fedora ( a RPM based distro) that Red Hat fork, so far :)

So long term support is the definitive solution to that :) 


Regards
P.