Logo guidelines status.

[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

It's been a couple times now that I have sent a request for the Logo 
just like what the "current" guidelines indicate, and have never got 
back the said e-mail with either further instructions, questions or a 
direct rejection, only silence... And i can't help but wonder, what's 
the status of the Fedora Logo guidelines and terms of use, since the 
Wiki simply is not very informative. Any news about it? I'd really like 
to use vector versions of the images instead of plainly copying the 
pixmaps off the site, but apparently that ain't going to happen (not to 
me, at least). In any case, I'm hoping to be able to work on some DVD 
case covers and a manual I am working on (which I would like it to 
feature the logo)... Is there a place where I could obtain a copy of the 
logo (just the bubble+f+infinite) in SVG format?

And another question I had been having was about the whole issue with 
the font, has the font been released as Open and Free yet? I would have 
expected to find it bundled with Core 5, but it did not come, so I 
assume that by the time Core 5 got leaked, the font wasn't yet released...

*rant to self* I still wonder why a proprietary font was used for the 
logo of a project like Fedora *sigh* (sorry, had to get that out of my 
chest).

[Nicu Buculei]

Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>  
>  *rant to self* I still wonder why a proprietary font was used for the 
>  logo of a project like Fedora *sigh* (sorry, had to get that out of my 
>  chest). 
Fortunately, we have big images with the logo and is trivial to trace 
them (Inkscape, potrace, autotrace, etc.) and obtain a version in vector 
format, at least this is what i did for my own use

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[Patrick W. Barnes]

On Thursday 18 May 2006 03:39, Gain Paolo Mureddu <gmureddu(a)prodigy.net.mx&gt; 
wrote:
>  It's been a couple times now that I have sent a request for the
> Logo
>  just like what the "current" guidelines indicate, and have never got
>  back the said e-mail with either further instructions, questions or a
>  direct rejection, only silence... And i can't help but wonder, what's
>  the status of the Fedora Logo guidelines and terms of use, since the
>  Wiki simply is not very informative. Any news about it? I'd really like
>  to use vector versions of the images instead of plainly copying the
>  pixmaps off the site, but apparently that ain't going to happen (not to
>  me, at least). In any case, I'm hoping to be able to work on some DVD
>  case covers and a manual I am working on (which I would like it to
>  feature the logo)... Is there a place where I could obtain a copy of the
>  logo (just the bubble+f+infinite) in SVG format? 
The guidelines are still under construction.  If you haven't gotten 
authorization, it could be that your request has yet to be reviewed, or that 
you have presented a usage case for which a decision has not yet been made.

In order to begin developing your graphics, you can access an SVG form of the 
logo that is probably already on your system:

/usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-sprite.svg

It is part of the fedora-logos package in Fedora Core 5.

Even though you may develop your graphics, you should not publish them 
anywhere until you have proper authorization.

>  And another question I had been having was about the whole issue with
>  the font, has the font been released as Open and Free yet? I would have
>  expected to find it bundled with Core 5, but it did not come, so I
>  assume that by the time Core 5 got leaked, the font wasn't yet released...
>  
There are no plans to purchase and release the font as open.  Last I heard, a 
free font to complement the logo was in the works, but the original font will 
not be made free anytime in the foreseeable future.  It is an unfortunate 
truth, but it is one we must live with for now.

The original font name is Bryant 2.  It is available from Process Type 
Foundry.

http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html

You're welcome to make an offer to them to purchase rights to release the font 
as open, but you'd better have some deep pockets.  ;-)

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[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

Patrick W. Barnes escribió:
>  The guidelines are still under construction.  If you haven't
> gotten 
>  authorization, it could be that your request has yet to be reviewed, or that 
>  you have presented a usage case for which a decision has not yet been made.
>
>  In order to begin developing your graphics, you can access an SVG form of the 
>  logo that is probably already on your system:
>
>  /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-sprite.svg
>     
I've seen it, thank you for pointing it out, though. Found it doing an 
rpm -ql fedora-logos
>  It is part of the fedora-logos package in Fedora Core 5.
>
>  Even though you may develop your graphics, you should not publish them 
>  anywhere until you have proper authorization.
>     
Which is why I'm waiting authorization... It's been a couple times (in 
the past months) that I've requested the logo for the very same purposes 
DVD case covers and brochoures and other stuff... I know I won't be 
doing any harm to the Fedora image, but I still need the green flag to 
do it... just confuses the heck out of me this situation, as I'm not 
free to do what I'd like to do to PROMOTE Fedora (maybe it's just me, 
but that seems paradoxical).
>  There are no plans to purchase and release the font as open.  Last I
> heard, a 
>  free font to complement the logo was in the works, but the original font will 
>  not be made free anytime in the foreseeable future.  It is an unfortunate 
>  truth, but it is one we must live with for now.
>
>  The original font name is Bryant 2.  It is available from Process Type 
>  Foundry.
>
>  http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
>
>  You're welcome to make an offer to them to purchase rights to release the font 
>  as open, but you'd better have some deep pockets.  ;-)
>     
And taht's just what I simply don't get... How did the logo using this 
font got approved in the first place?, of Fedora which advocates use of 
freely available (freedom, no bounds attached, not free as in beer) 
tools, software, docs, etc. The idea of the bubble+f+infinity is 
excellent, but I can't help but wonder why the "fedora" part was 
approved (which is part of the logo, from what I gather), and not only 
that, but USED by the project when the font is not free (why was not 
used a free font instead? It's beyond me)... Anyway, personally I liked 
the old font better, but that's just me...

[Nicu Buculei]

Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>  Patrick W. Barnes escribió:
> >
> > The original font name is Bryant 2.  It is available from Process Type 
> > Foundry.
> >
> > http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
> >
>  And taht's just what I simply don't get... How did the logo using this 
>  font got approved in the first place?, of Fedora which advocates use of 
>  freely available (freedom, no bounds attached, not free as in beer) 
>  tools, software, docs, etc. 
In my understanding, the copyright does not cover how a font face look, 
only the implementation, the "program" (the specific TTF file)  - 
http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis

So implementing something which looks like that font should be OK. Here 
is an *ugly* and unpolished start: 
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/logo/fedora_font.svg (it does not look 
extremely bad at small resolutions). With a few days of work it should 
be possible to create something acceptable for screen (not print) usage.

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[Rodrigo Menezes]

For CD Arts and covers, take a look here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt

Cheers,

Rodrigo Menezes

Gain Paolo Mureddu <gmureddu(a)prodigy.net.mx&gt; escreveu: Patrick W. Barnes escribió:
>  The guidelines are still under construction.  If you haven't
> gotten 
>  authorization, it could be that your request has yet to be reviewed, or that 
>  you have presented a usage case for which a decision has not yet been made.
>
>  In order to begin developing your graphics, you can access an SVG form of the 
>  logo that is probably already on your system:
>
>  /usr/share/pixmaps/fedora-logo-sprite.svg
>     
I've seen it, thank you for pointing it out, though. Found it doing an 
rpm -ql fedora-logos
>  It is part of the fedora-logos package in Fedora Core 5.
>
>  Even though you may develop your graphics, you should not publish them 
>  anywhere until you have proper authorization.
>     
Which is why I'm waiting authorization... It's been a couple times (in 
the past months) that I've requested the logo for the very same purposes 
DVD case covers and brochoures and other stuff... I know I won't be 
doing any harm to the Fedora image, but I still need the green flag to 
do it... just confuses the heck out of me this situation, as I'm not 
free to do what I'd like to do to PROMOTE Fedora (maybe it's just me, 
but that seems paradoxical).
>  There are no plans to purchase and release the font as open.  Last I
> heard, a 
>  free font to complement the logo was in the works, but the original font will 
>  not be made free anytime in the foreseeable future.  It is an unfortunate 
>  truth, but it is one we must live with for now.
>
>  The original font name is Bryant 2.  It is available from Process Type 
>  Foundry.
>
>  http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
>
>  You're welcome to make an offer to them to purchase rights to release the font 
>  as open, but you'd better have some deep pockets.  ;-)
>     
And taht's just what I simply don't get... How did the logo using this 
font got approved in the first place?, of Fedora which advocates use of 
freely available (freedom, no bounds attached, not free as in beer) 
tools, software, docs, etc. The idea of the bubble+f+infinity is 
excellent, but I can't help but wonder why the "fedora" part was 
approved (which is part of the logo, from what I gather), and not only 
that, but USED by the project when the font is not free (why was not 
used a free font instead? It's beyond me)... Anyway, personally I liked 
the old font better, but that's just me...

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[Max Spevack]

On Thu, 18 May 2006, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:

>  It's been a couple times now that I have sent a request for the
> Logo 
>  just like what the "current" guidelines indicate, and have never got 
>  back the said e-mail with either further instructions, questions or a 
>  direct rejection, only silence... And i can't help but wonder, what's 
>  the status of the Fedora Logo guidelines and terms of use, since the 
>  Wiki simply is not very informative. Any news about it? 
Yes, and I take responsibility for you not having heard things sooner. 
It's funny how emails work out sometimes, since I'm getting ready to sit 
down in a meeting with some folks in which we review a draft of all the 
things you're talking about, finalize a lot of the questions that you are 
asking, and get a target date for a final draft.

So I ask for a little more patience as we finalize things, and then you 
can expect a full report and updating of the wiki.

Thanks,
Max

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[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

Max Spevack escribió:
>  On Thu, 18 May 2006, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>
> > It's been a couple times now that I have sent a request for the Logo 
> > just like what the "current" guidelines indicate, and have never got 
> > back the said e-mail with either further instructions, questions or a 
> > direct rejection, only silence... And i can't help but wonder, what's 
> > the status of the Fedora Logo guidelines and terms of use, since the 
> > Wiki simply is not very informative. Any news about it?
>
>  Yes, and I take responsibility for you not having heard things sooner. 
>  It's funny how emails work out sometimes, since I'm getting ready to 
>  sit down in a meeting with some folks in which we review a draft of 
>  all the things you're talking about, finalize a lot of the questions 
>  that you are asking, and get a target date for a final draft.
>
>  So I ask for a little more patience as we finalize things, and then 
>  you can expect a full report and updating of the wiki.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Max
>  
I appreciate you took the time to answer to this e-mail, I also hope the 
situation of the font will solved soon too, as the apparent dichotomy is 
too notorious.