Re: In the news: Zarafa

[Jan Wildeboer]

Now I am not in the "told you so" department, but it unfolds as I expected.

Not much we can do now without harming either Fedora or Zarafa.

Maybe Zarafa can think of renaming the open source edition just as fedora v 
RHEL?

Jan

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Subject: In the news: Zarafa

So, Zarafa is getting a lot of press attention:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6298

some of it is fairly unflattering:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3877446/Fedora-13-Beta-The...

I'm a bit uncomfortable with this myself; the availability of Zarafa in
Fedora seems to be being read in ways in which we certainly didn't
intend it (as an aspect of commercialization, as some kind of Red
Hat-parachuted feature and hence an indication of RH's future
directions, etc).

I'm wondering if perhaps we should pull Zarafa's mention as a 'feature'
of Fedora 13, or if not that, then certainly develop a more coherent
story about its inclusion, what it's for, why it's in Fedora, and the
whole 'open core' angle on it...

What do people think?

In the news: Zarafa

[Joerg Simon]

Hi Jan,

Am Dienstag, 20. April 2010 19:47:22 schrieb Jan Wildeboer:
> Now I am not in the "told you so" department, but it unfolds as I expected.
> Not much we can do now without harming either Fedora or Zarafa.

Harm? This sounds dramatized. Fedora is in the press with zarafa as a feature 
- and we disussed pro and contra already a lot.

It is easy to oppose and disagree on new contributions - i know that it is 
part of your job at Red Hat to be a "pain" to non-FOSS Vendors ;) - but Fedora 
is about enable and encourage people to contribute and i want to see that 
Press, Users,  - the world - get the right message - i already explained in 
detail why it is good that a community driven feature should advertised [1]

Clarification and truth have nothing to do with harming - it is about enlighten 
them and evangelize them to spread it right. We talk about FOSS Software here 
and it seems Paul clarified things already to the author.

cu Joerg

[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-April/012472.html

In the news: Zarafa

[Nelson Marques]

I see much much stuff around Zarafa and miss to see great pieces of FOSS
engineering like Nouveau, ATI drivers (no longer experimental?), Mesa
7.8.

Are we providing free ammunition to the people and failing into
highlight real FOSS featured software?

On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 21:01 +0200, Joerg Simon wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> Am Dienstag, 20. April 2010 19:47:22 schrieb Jan Wildeboer:
> > Now I am not in the "told you so" department, but it unfolds as I expected.
> > Not much we can do now without harming either Fedora or Zarafa.
>
> Harm? This sounds dramatized. Fedora is in the press with zarafa as a feature
> and we disussed pro and contra already a lot.
>
> It is easy to oppose and disagree on new contributions - i know that it is 
> part of your job at Red Hat to be a "pain" to non-FOSS Vendors ;) - but Fedora 
> is about enable and encourage people to contribute and i want to see that 
> Press, Users,  - the world - get the right message - i already explained in 
> detail why it is good that a community driven feature should advertised [1]
>
> Clarification and truth have nothing to do with harming - it is about enlighten 
> them and evangelize them to spread it right. We talk about FOSS Software here 
> and it seems Paul clarified things already to the author.
>
> cu Joerg
>
> [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-April/012472.html
>
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