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Hi, we have a contributor who posted a modified logo with fedora-ve text in it. Is it valid to do such modifications? I dont want to punish him but certainly he has a point on localizing the logo somehow. What's the policy in this case? To encourgae him to make it "the right" or not to modify it at all ?
Guillermo
On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:32, "Guillermo Gómez S." guillermo.gomez@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, we have a contributor who posted a modified logo with fedora-ve text in it. Is it valid to do such modifications? I dont want to punish him but certainly he has a point on localizing the logo somehow. What's the policy in this case? To encourgae him to make it "the right" or not to modify it at all ?
Any modifications must follow the guidelines outlined at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo
The PDF file listed there details how graphics can be created, including specifications for colors, fonts and spacing.
Once you have prepared your modified form, submit it to logo@fedoraproject.org to get usage permission.
Patrick W. Barnes wrote:
On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:32, "Guillermo Gómez S." guillermo.gomez@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, we have a contributor who posted a modified logo with fedora-ve text in it. Is it valid to do such modifications? I dont want to punish him but certainly he has a point on localizing the logo somehow. What's the policy in this case? To encourgae him to make it "the right" or not to modify it at all ?
Any modifications must follow the guidelines outlined at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo
The PDF file listed there details how graphics can be created, including specifications for colors, fonts and spacing.
Once you have prepared your modified form, submit it to logo@fedoraproject.org to get usage permission.
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Graphics Standard Manual confuses me regarding the Typeface of the logo. It says it uses U001 fonts but not even in the manual they look as as the logo. What's the typeface font of the logo?
Guillermo
On Sunday 28 May 2006 07:30, "Guillermo Gómez S." guillermo.gomez@gmail.com wrote:
Graphics Standard Manual confuses me regarding the Typeface of the logo. It says it uses U001 fonts but not even in the manual they look as as the logo. What's the typeface font of the logo?
The U001 font is intended to complement the logo. Any text you use with the logo should be in the U001 font. The logo itself uses a different font, Bryant 2, which is not freely available and should not be used for any additional text.
http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
Patrick W. Barnes wrote:
On Sunday 28 May 2006 07:30, "Guillermo Gómez S." guillermo.gomez@gmail.com wrote:
Graphics Standard Manual confuses me regarding the Typeface of the logo. It says it uses U001 fonts but not even in the manual they look as as the logo. What's the typeface font of the logo?
The U001 font is intended to complement the logo. Any text you use with the logo should be in the U001 font. The logo itself uses a different font, Bryant 2, which is not freely available and should not be used for any additional text.
http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
The lowercase 'a' is completely different ('a' with a 'hat' rather than a 'o|' 'a', and tsome line width variations).
Did Matt make a custom 'a' for the Fedora logotype?
~m
Máirín Duffy escribió:
The lowercase 'a' is completely different ('a' with a 'hat' rather than a 'o|' 'a', and tsome line width variations).
Did Matt make a custom 'a' for the Fedora logotype?
It is a completely different font altogether. The one used in the logotype is the Bryant 2 font, which is not freely available and has to be purchased from http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
I still have some gripes of using a proprietary font for the logotype (I seem to be alone there) instead of either:
- Making from scratch the typeface, like it was the case for Fedora 1-4.
- Using a freely available font.
As I said, I seem to be the only one with such gripes... Guess I'll have to mange and "live with it™", and is not like I'm a FLOSS zealot, just seemed to go against the "FLOSS only" philosophy of Fedora and the reasons why there are no mp3 or DVD support in the distribution, amongst other non-free programs... So non-free programs = no, non-free typefaces = yes for official use? That's what I have a problem with... But, as I said, I'm [albeit slowly] learning to "live with it™".
On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 14:03 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
I still have some gripes of using a proprietary font for the logotype (I seem to be alone there) instead of either:
- Making from scratch the typeface, like it was the case for Fedora 1-4.
This was *not* the case for FC1 - FC4. The logo was created by customizing an Adobe Myriad font.
- Using a freely available font.
As I said, I seem to be the only one with such gripes... Guess I'll have to mange and "live with it™", and is not like I'm a FLOSS zealot, just seemed to go against the "FLOSS only" philosophy of Fedora and the reasons why there are no mp3 or DVD support in the distribution, amongst other non-free programs... So non-free programs = no, non-free typefaces = yes for official use? That's what I have a problem with... But, as I said, I'm [albeit slowly] learning to "live with it™".
You're not the only one with this gripe, but it's frankly a non-starter. A proprietary font in a logo not meant for uncontrolled distribution is very different from code that is very clearly meant for uncontrolled distribution. Requiring the designers to come up with completely original fontwork for this purpose is, to my mind, much like requiring the Fedora Websites team to come up with their own FLOSS BIOS implementation for their Web servers because Dell doesn't publish theirs as open-source.
On 5/28/06, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 14:03 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
I still have some gripes of using a proprietary font for the logotype (I seem to be alone there) instead of either:
- Making from scratch the typeface, like it was the case for Fedora 1-4.
This was *not* the case for FC1 - FC4. The logo was created by customizing an Adobe Myriad font.
Yes and no--the font used in for "old" Fedora logotype was a proprietary Myriad Pro Black Italic: http://www.paratype.com/fstore/fonts/Myriad-Pro.htm
Myriad Pro is one of the fonts used in with the Red Hat "Shadowman" logo.
On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 14:03 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
Máirín Duffy escribió:
The lowercase 'a' is completely different ('a' with a 'hat' rather than a 'o|' 'a', and tsome line width variations).
Did Matt make a custom 'a' for the Fedora logotype?
It is a completely different font altogether. The one used in the logotype is the Bryant 2 font, which is not freely available and has to be purchased from http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
I still have some gripes of using a proprietary font for the logotype (I seem to be alone there) instead of either:
Making from scratch the typeface, like it was the case for Fedora 1-4.
Using a freely available font.
As I said, I seem to be the only one with such gripes... Guess I'll have to mange and "live with it™", and is not like I'm a FLOSS zealot, just seemed to go against the "FLOSS only" philosophy of Fedora and the reasons why there are no mp3 or DVD support in the distribution, amongst other non-free programs... So non-free programs = no, non-free typefaces = yes for official use? That's what I have a problem with... But, as I said, I'm [albeit slowly] learning to "live with it™".
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While it would have been better to use a free font, a font used in a logo that is *not* meant for unlimited and unrestricted distribution is very different from software.
The logo is part of a trademark that need we need to protect from misuse unlike the software which doesnt have such concerns that we provide in Fedora.
SVG files have been provided that implement a similar typeface.
Rahul
Máirín Duffy wrote:
Patrick W. Barnes wrote:
http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/bryant2/index.html
The lowercase 'a' is completely different ('a' with a 'hat' rather than a 'o|' 'a', and tsome line width variations).
It is "Bryant2 Medium Alternate no. 2" (or bold ?) - see it in the "Test Typer": http://www.processtypefoundry.com/testtyper/index.php?loadfont=bryant%20pro
And i think this approximation is quite close: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/logo/fedora_font.svg (it was made from scratch, using Bryant just as a visual reference)
Nicu Buculei escribió:
It is "Bryant2 Medium Alternate no. 2" (or bold ?) - see it in the "Test Typer": http://www.processtypefoundry.com/testtyper/index.php?loadfont=bryant%20pro
And i think this approximation is quite close: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/logo/fedora_font.svg (it was made from scratch, using Bryant just as a visual reference)
Sorry to resurrect a difunct thread, first of all...
When this was first discussed I got that SVG file you linked to, and in recent days I have been working on it, extending the characters and even imported many of the characters into Font Forge, however I want to know a couple of things: Are you the original author of these SVG glyphs? If so, so you have any inconvenience that I do extended work on the glyphs? Now I would openly ask if there would be any inconvenience of having a "fedora" font, which would look like (but not be exactly the same) as the official logotype typeface? Before I do anything with the .sfd I would like to know if it would be OK to do so.
On Sat, 2006-05-27 at 07:32 -0400, "Guillermo Gómez S." wrote:
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Hi, we have a contributor who posted a modified logo with fedora-ve text in it. Is it valid to do such modifications? I dont want to punish him but certainly he has a point on localizing the logo somehow. What's the policy in this case? To encourgae him to make it "the right" or not to modify it at all ?
Not modifying it would make things easier but if any modification is being done, kindly ensure that it follows the guidelines specificied. You can request usage permission by mailing logo@fedoraproject.org
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo
Rahul
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