Coordination in social networks

[Jiri Eischmann]

Hi,
the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place to
spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.

Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its admin?
Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly
Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no posts

There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts. That's
not few and we should leverage it.

It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure that
all important information gets posted at all social networks we're in,
and also persons responsible for individual social networks.

I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been discussed
at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a really
bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
meetings, another would kill me.

Jiri

[Arnav Kalra]

We need to know about the admins before we do anything.
 On Aug 28, 2012 5:12 PM, "Jiri Eischmann" <eischmann(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi,
>  the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
>  participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place to
>  spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
>  pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.
>
>  Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its admin?
>  Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
>  Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly
>  Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no posts
>
>  There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts. That's
>  not few and we should leverage it.
>
>  It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure that
>  all important information gets posted at all social networks we're in,
>  and also persons responsible for individual social networks.
>
>  I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been discussed
>  at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a really
>  bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
>  meetings, another would kill me.
>
>  Jiri
>
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[Christopher Meng]

Who is the admin?

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[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 13:42 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  Hi, 
Hello !

>  the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
>  participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place to
>  spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
>  pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.
>  
>  Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its admin? 
This is what I found on Facebook:

A page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181?sk=info

An account:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782

I've messaged this account, asking who is in-charge. 

An empty fedora page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/376623812340

Another fedora account:
https://www.facebook.com/fedoraproject.org

I've messaged this one asking for the in-charge too.

Another fedora account:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/161955423902383

Dropped this one a message too

The fedora-linux group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fedora.linux/

The fedora community folks group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/127560783969535/


>  Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin? 
Our page on
g+:
https://plus.google.com/112917221531140868607/posts

I can't find a way to message the moderator here. We'll just have to ask
around and figure this one out. 

>  Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly 
Do we know who is in-charge of this yet?

>  Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no
> posts 
Same for this one. We need to find out who is in-charge here.

>  
>  There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts. That's
>  not few and we should leverage it. 
+1

>  
>  It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure that
>  all important information gets posted at all social networks we're in,
>  and also persons responsible for individual social networks. 
I'd like to work on this. I'd prefer a team of 2-3 folks rather than
just a single co-ordinator though: 2-3 folks with access to all the
accounts who'd be tasked with sending out info to the various social
apps? It would be even better if the 2-3 co-ordinators could be from
different time zones, to ensure that data gets posted as soon as it's
received. 2-3 also ensures that they have each other to fall back on
when they're too busy etcetera.

>  
>  I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been discussed
>  at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a really
>  bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
>  meetings, another would kill me. 
Same here. The meeting time doesn't play well with my timezone :/

>  
>  Jiri
>   
I'd also suggest we put up a wiki page that lists the different
in-charges of the social accounts. That would make it easier to hunt
them down in the future.

I found something on the wiki here[1] and here[2]. 

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Buzz

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[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 13:42 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  
>  Hello !
>  
>  > the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
>  > participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place
>  > to
>  > spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
>  > pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.
>  > 
>  > Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its
>  > admin?
>  
>  This is what I found on Facebook: 
We (as KDE SIG) are in charge of
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-KDE-Plasma-Workspaces/169934056512?...

R.

>  A page
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181?sk=info
>  
>  An account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782
>  
>  I've messaged this account, asking who is in-charge.
>  
>  An empty fedora page:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/376623812340
>  
>  Another fedora account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/fedoraproject.org
>  
>  I've messaged this one asking for the in-charge too.
>  
>  Another fedora account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/161955423902383
>  
>  Dropped this one a message too
>  
>  The fedora-linux group:
>  https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fedora.linux/
>  
>  The fedora community folks group:
>  https://www.facebook.com/groups/127560783969535/
>  
>  
>  > Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
>  Our page on g+:
>  https://plus.google.com/112917221531140868607/posts
>  
>  I can't find a way to message the moderator here. We'll just have to
>  ask
>  around and figure this one out.
>  
>  > Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly
>  
>  Do we know who is in-charge of this yet?
>  
>  > Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no posts
>  
>  Same for this one. We need to find out who is in-charge here.
>  
>  > 
>  > There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts.
>  > That's
>  > not few and we should leverage it.
>  
>  +1
>  
>  > 
>  > It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure
>  > that
>  > all important information gets posted at all social networks we're
>  > in,
>  > and also persons responsible for individual social networks.
>  
>  I'd like to work on this. I'd prefer a team of 2-3 folks rather than
>  just a single co-ordinator though: 2-3 folks with access to all the
>  accounts who'd be tasked with sending out info to the various social
>  apps? It would be even better if the 2-3 co-ordinators could be from
>  different time zones, to ensure that data gets posted as soon as it's
>  received. 2-3 also ensures that they have each other to fall back on
>  when they're too busy etcetera.
>  
>  > 
>  > I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been
>  > discussed
>  > at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a
>  > really
>  > bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
>  > meetings, another would kill me.
>  
>  Same here. The meeting time doesn't play well with my timezone :/
>  
>  > 
>  > Jiri
>  > 
>  
>  I'd also suggest we put up a wiki page that lists the different
>  in-charges of the social accounts. That would make it easier to hunt
>  them down in the future.
>  
>  I found something on the wiki here[1] and here[2].
>  
>  [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks
>  [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Buzz
>  
>  --
>  Thanks,
>  Warm regards,
>  Ankur: "FranciscoD"
>  
>  Please only print if necessary.
>  
>  Looking to contribute to Fedora? Look here:
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>  
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>  
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[Jonathan Nalley]

Ankur/Jiri, several of the pieces of information you've requested are
already on the Microblogging SOP page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP

The draft warning on the top is somewhat questionable IMHO, but nevertheless.


On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 13:42 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > Hi,
>
>  Hello !
>
> > the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
> > participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place to
> > spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
> > pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.
> >
> > Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its admin?
>
>  This is what I found on Facebook:
>
>  A page:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181?sk=info
>
>  An account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/7670534782
>
>  I've messaged this account, asking who is in-charge.
>
>  An empty fedora page:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/376623812340
>
>  Another fedora account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/fedoraproject.org
>
>  I've messaged this one asking for the in-charge too.
>
>  Another fedora account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/161955423902383
>
>  Dropped this one a message too
>
>  The fedora-linux group:
>  https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fedora.linux/
>
>  The fedora community folks group:
>  https://www.facebook.com/groups/127560783969535/
>
>
> > Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
>  Our page on g+:
>  https://plus.google.com/112917221531140868607/posts
>
>  I can't find a way to message the moderator here. We'll just have to ask
>  around and figure this one out.
>
> > Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly
>
>  Do we know who is in-charge of this yet?
>
> > Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no posts
>
>  Same for this one. We need to find out who is in-charge here.
>
> >
> > There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts. That's
> > not few and we should leverage it.
>
>  +1
>
> >
> > It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure that
> > all important information gets posted at all social networks we're in,
> > and also persons responsible for individual social networks.
>
>  I'd like to work on this. I'd prefer a team of 2-3 folks rather than
>  just a single co-ordinator though: 2-3 folks with access to all the
>  accounts who'd be tasked with sending out info to the various social
>  apps? It would be even better if the 2-3 co-ordinators could be from
>  different time zones, to ensure that data gets posted as soon as it's
>  received. 2-3 also ensures that they have each other to fall back on
>  when they're too busy etcetera.
>
> >
> > I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been discussed
> > at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a really
> > bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
> > meetings, another would kill me.
>
>  Same here. The meeting time doesn't play well with my timezone :/
>
> >
> > Jiri
> >
>
>  I'd also suggest we put up a wiki page that lists the different
>  in-charges of the social accounts. That would make it easier to hunt
>  them down in the future.
>
>  I found something on the wiki here[1] and here[2].
>
>  [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks
>  [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Buzz
>
>  --
>  Thanks,
>  Warm regards,
>  Ankur: "FranciscoD"
>
>  Please only print if necessary.
>
>  Looking to contribute to Fedora? Look here:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG
>
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha
>  http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/
>
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>  marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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[Arnav Kalra]

> > Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
>  Our page on g+:
>  https://plus.google.com/112917221531140868607/posts
>
>  I can't find a way to message the moderator here. We'll just have to ask
>  around and figure this one out.
>  
You can message the page by sharing a post with that page only. I think the
admin of the page gets a notification when you do so.
If this does not work we can create a new page.

Also, i think we should link these pages on the fedora website.

Just my 2 paise.

Regards,
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>

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 08:35 -0400, Jonathan Nalley wrote:
>  Ankur/Jiri, several of the pieces of information you've requested
> are
>  already on the Microblogging SOP page:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP
>  
>  The draft warning on the top is somewhat questionable IMHO, but
>  nevertheless. 
Hi Jonathan,

I just ran into the page and was in the middle of posting it to the list
when I read your reply :D

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP#Access

has the list of credential holders for twitter/identi.ca accounts. 

* We could start by getting in touch with them to see what the current
status of the various accounts are? 

* The page needs to be updated with other account info, such as
* * Facebook
* * Google+

About the entire co-ordination in social networks, how about something
like this:

- Some "collectors", that keep an eye out on the mailing lists (our
catchment area) and supply this to the marketing list

- Some "posters", that are in-charge of the various social accounts.
They pick up this info that the "collectors" post to the marketing list
and post it to the various social apps? The SOP page provides sufficient
information/guidelines for "posters" already I guess. 

Ideas/Improvements/Volunteers?

/me volunteers for the "collector" group, since I do spend quite a lot
of my time reading mails on the various mailing lists anyway. (I seem to
be on 30 or more fedora mailing lists currently :O )
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[Arnav Kalra]

>  * We could start by getting in touch with them to see what the
> current
>  status of the various accounts are?
>
>  * The page needs to be updated with other account info, such as
>  * * Facebook
>  * * Google+
>
>  About the entire co-ordination in social networks, how about something
>  like this:
>
>  - Some "collectors", that keep an eye out on the mailing lists (our
>  catchment area) and supply this to the marketing list
>
>  - Some "posters", that are in-charge of the various social accounts.
>  They pick up this info that the "collectors" post to the marketing list
>  and post it to the various social apps? The SOP page provides sufficient
>  information/guidelines for "posters" already I guess.
>
>
>  
Even though i am not a member of the marketing team or any other team, i
agree with your suggestions.

[Ruth Suehle]

This has been on my radar too, but I was hoping the people listed on the Microblogging
page on the wiki were still doing things. But I'd been thinking about just what you
guys have--inquiring about whether they're still maintaining, etc.

A social-media mailing list may be in order, separate from the marketing list where we can
have those account admins join and as necessary send mail that says, "Please
faceplustweet this:" so it doesn't get lost in our general mktg list traffic.

Ruth

[Joerg Simon]

On 28.08.2012 15:34, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  This has been on my radar too, but I was hoping the people listed on
>  the Microblogging page on the wiki were still doing things. But I'd
>  been thinking about just what you guys have--inquiring about whether
>  they're still maintaining, etc. A social-media mailing list may be in
>  order, separate from the marketing list where we can have those
>  account admins join and as necessary send mail that says, "Please
>  faceplustweet this:" so it doesn't get lost in our general mktg list
>  traffic. 
i am not sure if this was discussed before - and even if it is a good
idea, but if we really want to have content in g+ etc. why not re-post
our planet content on this places?

cu Joerg

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[Jiri Eischmann]

Joerg Simon píše v Út 28. 08. 2012 v 16:47 +0200:
>  On 28.08.2012 15:34, Ruth Suehle wrote:
>  > This has been on my radar too, but I was hoping the people listed on
>  > the Microblogging page on the wiki were still doing things. But I'd
>  > been thinking about just what you guys have--inquiring about whether
>  > they're still maintaining, etc. A social-media mailing list may be in
>  > order, separate from the marketing list where we can have those
>  > account admins join and as necessary send mail that says, "Please
>  > faceplustweet this:" so it doesn't get lost in our general mktg list
>  > traffic.
>  
>  i am not sure if this was discussed before - and even if it is a good
>  idea, but if we really want to have content in g+ etc. why not re-post
>  our planet content on this places? 
That would be an improvement, but I think if we want to do something
about it we should do it right. I wouldn't degrade social networks just
to RSS readers. They offer much more and we should utilize it. (for
example creating events for every Fedora Test Day, post pictures from
events etc.).

And every social network is somehow specific, so I don't think there is
a tool to rule them all. Writing style for Twitter is definitely
different than writing style for FB/G+. And I personally don't like FB
statuses that are just forwarded tweets from Twitter.

I maintain accounts of Fedora CZ and Red Hat Czech at FB/G+/Twitter. I
used to send the same messages to all of them from one tool and stopped
doing so because people didn't like it. They want Twitter-style messages
at Twitter, events and G+-style messages at G+.

That's why I'd prefer a group of people who would post messages and
create events, add pictures manually instead of just hooking up the
accounts to RSS feeds or using one tool to send messages to all of them.

Jiri

[Arnav Kalra]

I agree with jiri's thoughts. Each social network has a different style so
we need to post in a different way.
Making a separate social marketing list makes sense to me.

[Joerg Simon]

On 28.08.2012 17:47, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
>  That's why I'd prefer a group of people who would post
> messages and
>  create events, add pictures manually instead of just hooking up the
>  accounts to RSS feeds or using one tool to send messages to all of them. 
I agree on the style question. I can not estimate Twitter post styles,
because i do not personally like Twitter - i know that there is
https://twitter.com/planetfedora
but thats it.

And i agree that it would be nice to see events that we have on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events also appear as a event on g+ or
other places where we can place events like at linkedin. I created
Events several times on linkedin and also find me listed as the admin on
http://www.linkedin.com/company/fedora-project ...

i think such things are primary a mentoring job so that people are
active that way by sharing on more places - i do not think having a
group of people and doing the boring work of screening and reposting all
the relevant stuff -just because they are the admins for a g+ site is
the way this will work - maybe a combination of both will work ...

But we actually do parse tags/categories for fedora-only-blogposts on
the planet anyway for the
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet_JustFedora
and i do not see a reason why we should not at least take them to g+ if
there is a need for content - but you already mentioned this would be a
improvement ;)

cu Joerg


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[Vinzenz Vietzke]

Am 28.08.2012 17:47, schrieb Jiri Eischmann:
>  I maintain accounts of Fedora CZ and Red Hat Czech at FB/G+/Twitter.
> I
>  used to send the same messages to all of them from one tool and stopped
>  doing so because people didn't like it. They want Twitter-style messages
>  at Twitter, events and G+-style messages at G+.
>  
>  That's why I'd prefer a group of people who would post messages and
>  create events, add pictures manually instead of just hooking up the
>  accounts to RSS feeds or using one tool to send messages to all of them. 
I totally agree with you Jiri!
Tweets are written totally different from FB oder G+ posts - and vice versa.

Sure resharing links is convenient and sometimes useful. But this
approach is defective by design as it leaves out the most important
factor on social networks: the social thing.
People don't want to consume passively on social networks. If they do
so, they'd visit websites or subscribe RSS feeds. On Twitter, FB or G+
they want to get news as well as help, see funny things, grab a sticker
from a sweepstake and mostly they want to comment on things. They want
to interact with people!

I think it would be worth a mint, to have a team that answers questions,
points out where to get help or tells about new things on the Fedora
Project. (Ok, you're right: normally companies have such a team of paid
employees. ;) )

Mozilla has an somewhat hardcorely open approach on that with their
"Army of Awesome". They collect Mozilla-related tweets and anyone
visiting that website can try to answer or help. [1]

I'd propose a way somewhere in between:
A relatively big team of Ambassadors and Marketeers, maybe around ~20
people. They have a look at the buzz going on at various social networks
an try act on trouble, spread word etc.
Imagine someone ranting on twitter on some "crappy thing in Fedora" and
the social network team could show him where to get help or to find a
solution. That guy would be way less angry, as Fedora at least tried to
help him - even if the problem can't be solved.
--> Big win for all of us!

What'cha think?

[1] http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/army-of-awesome
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[Arnav Kalra]

>  I'd propose a way somewhere in between:
>  A relatively big team of Ambassadors and Marketeers, maybe around ~20
>  people. They have a look at the buzz going on at various social networks
>  an try act on trouble, spread word etc.
>  Imagine someone ranting on twitter on some "crappy thing in Fedora" and
>  the social network team could show him where to get help or to find a
>  solution. That guy would be way less angry, as Fedora at least tried to
>  help him - even if the problem can't be solved.
>  --> Big win for all of us!
>
>  What'cha think?
>  
+1
I would like to help with this. I am active on Google plus.
We can also create a list of people who blog or post about Linux.
We should monitor their content for anything related to fedora and reply if
needed.

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 07:41 +0530, Arnav Kalra wrote:
>  +1 
>  I would like to help with this. I am active on Google plus.
>  We can also create a list of people who blog or post about Linux.
>  We should monitor their content for anything related to fedora and
>  reply if needed.  
We already monitor the webs for fedora postings. Any news/publications
about fedora can be sent to the list with [in the news] in the subject.

We're supposed to be collating them all on the wiki page. Not sure how
that's been going either. Another thing that needs reactivation? :/ 

As you'll see, there isn't even a page for F17[1]! :$

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_press_archive

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[Arnav Kalra]

What about blogs? Google plus posts?

>  We already monitor the webs for fedora postings. Any news/publications
>  about fedora can be sent to the list with [in the news] in the subject. 
>  We're supposed to be collating them all on the wiki page. Not
> sure how
>  that's been going either. Another thing that needs reactivation? :/
>  
I would like to help with this too.

>  As you'll see, there isn't even a page for F17[1]! : 
Who is the marketing team leader ?

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 08:19 +0530, Arnav Kalra wrote:
>  What about blogs? Google plus posts? 
You can get started on them as I described using the [in the news] tag
in the subject line.

>  
>  >
>  > We already monitor the webs for fedora postings. Any
>  news/publications
>  > about fedora can be sent to the list with [in the news] in the
>  subject.
>  
>  
>  > We're supposed to be collating them all on the wiki page. Not sure
>  how
>  > that's been going either. Another thing that needs reactivation? :/
>  >
>  I would like to help with this too.  
Great. If you have the time, please go through the marketing archives
and place stuff related to Fedora 17 on the wiki page :)

>  
>  > As you'll see, there isn't even a page for F17[1]! :
>  
>  Who is the marketing team leader ?
>  
>   
I don't see how this matters. If you see that there is work to be done,
take it up and do it. You don't a "sign off" for this. ;)
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[Robyn Bergeron]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Arnav Kalra <arnavkalra007(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  What about blogs? Google plus posts?
>
> >
> > We already monitor the webs for fedora postings. Any news/publications
> > about fedora can be sent to the list with [in the news] in the subject.
>
> > We're supposed to be collating them all on the wiki page. Not sure how
> > that's been going either. Another thing that needs reactivation? :/
> >
>  I would like to help with this too.
>
> > As you'll see, there isn't even a page for F17[1]! :
>
>  Who is the marketing team leader ? 
Ruth Suehle.  She just took over from me not long ago; she's
previously posted on the mailing list about this.

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[Robyn Bergeron]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 07:41 +0530, Arnav Kalra wrote:
> > +1
> > I would like to help with this. I am active on Google plus.
> > We can also create a list of people who blog or post about Linux.
> > We should monitor their content for anything related to fedora and
> > reply if needed.
>
>  We already monitor the webs for fedora postings. Any news/publications
>  about fedora can be sent to the list with [in the news] in the subject.
>
>  We're supposed to be collating them all on the wiki page. Not sure how
>  that's been going either. Another thing that needs reactivation? :/
>
>  As you'll see, there isn't even a page for F17[1]! :$ 
I am the person who did it for multiple releases. It eventually got to
the point where it was too low of a priority for me to do, when I had
multiple jobs (FPL, program manager).

My main gripes with this are:

* OMG, pain in the butt. Seriously.  Wiki tables aren't awesome fun;
we are collecting the title, the link, the author, the date (not the
date it posted to the list, but the publication date), the language.
That's a lot of back and forth between multiple windows of cut and
pasting.  Not to sound like a wuss, but when I did these in batches,
it would normally take me a number of hours to go through 10-20 posts.

* Return on investment. We collect the articles .... and ??? We never
did follow-up, except for the instances where someone would say
something horribly wrong or incorrect in an article and someone would
generally reach out to the author and try to correct them.  Ideally,
we'd take the list of people and make sure they were all on a press
list for release time, or do something like count the number of news
postings we'd get on a release day, and use that as a benchmark for
the next release to measure if we were getting more press, less press,
etc.  Or identify reasons/causes of attracting press attention,
outside of releases, and fine-tune our outreach. But we don't do
anything right now, except still the occasional "correct the author's
misinformation" type of thing, so going through and manually
collecting things is hard.

In my dream universe, I've always wanted to see a simple web tool
where someone - instead of cutting/pasting into an email - could
cut/paste into a small web app where they could put the title, date,
author, etc. and then it would automagically post that in pretty table
format to a wiki.  Encouraging people to do the wiki entry on their
own when doing an in-the-news posting to the mailing list didn't yield
many results, and making it a requirement I suspect would just cut
down on the number of notifications we receive.  I am a fan of dead
simple and this, while sort of dead simple, assuming you know how to
use wiki tables, still sucks in terms of time/window swapping/omg i
forgot the extra bracket and it hosed my whole page/omg i closed the
window accidentally after entering 4 articles (though this is far less
of a problem now with the reopen closed tab thing, but when that
wasn't around, omg, I wanted to stab little kittens when I did that).

One other thing to consider is that nowadays, there's a fine line
between "news by people who write news articles for news sites" and
"random blog posts/reviews of Fedora on personal blogs" - we often mix
both of these into this list, and though sometimes they'll qualify as
both, or someone's blog post will be so controversial it is news in
and of itself... I don't really consider the latter to be a "news"
type of thing, though perhaps the collection of reviews on its own
might merit some sort of other scrutiny.  I could definitely see
someone going through non-news blog reviews and doing a round-up of
the most common review points/feedback/perceptions that we are seeing
from people, and seeing if there was a way to pass that feedback along
somehow (to fesco, or I don't know who.)

-robyn

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[Arnav Kalra]

Distrowatch collects all this stuff automatically. Maybe we can just link
to it.



>  I am the person who did it for multiple releases. It eventually got
> to
>  the point where it was too low of a priority for me to do, when I had
>  multiple jobs (FPL, program manager).
>
>  My main gripes with this are:
>
>  * OMG, pain in the butt. Seriously.  Wiki tables aren't awesome fun;
>  we are collecting the title, the link, the author, the date (not the
>  date it posted to the list, but the publication date), the language.
>  That's a lot of back and forth between multiple windows of cut and
>  pasting.  Not to sound like a wuss, but when I did these in batches,
>  it would normally take me a number of hours to go through 10-20 posts.
>
>  * Return on investment. We collect the articles .... and ??? We never
>  did follow-up, except for the instances where someone would say
>  something horribly wrong or incorrect in an article and someone would
>  generally reach out to the author and try to correct them.  Ideally,
>  we'd take the list of people and make sure they were all on a press
>  list for release time, or do something like count the number of news
>  postings we'd get on a release day, and use that as a benchmark for
>  the next release to measure if we were getting more press, less press,
>  etc.  Or identify reasons/causes of attracting press attention,
>  outside of releases, and fine-tune our outreach. But we don't do
>  anything right now, except still the occasional "correct the author's
>  misinformation" type of thing, so going through and manually
>  collecting things is hard.
>
>  In my dream universe, I've always wanted to see a simple web tool
>  where someone - instead of cutting/pasting into an email - could
>  cut/paste into a small web app where they could put the title, date,
>  author, etc. and then it would automagically post that in pretty table
>  format to a wiki.  Encouraging people to do the wiki entry on their
>  own when doing an in-the-news posting to the mailing list didn't yield
>  many results, and making it a requirement I suspect would just cut
>  down on the number of notifications we receive.  I am a fan of dead
>  simple and this, while sort of dead simple, assuming you know how to
>  use wiki tables, still sucks in terms of time/window swapping/omg i
>  forgot the extra bracket and it hosed my whole page/omg i closed the
>  window accidentally after entering 4 articles (though this is far less
>  of a problem now with the reopen closed tab thing, but when that
>  wasn't around, omg, I wanted to stab little kittens when I did that).
>
>  One other thing to consider is that nowadays, there's a fine line
>  between "news by people who write news articles for news sites" and
>  "random blog posts/reviews of Fedora on personal blogs" - we often mix
>  both of these into this list, and though sometimes they'll qualify as
>  both, or someone's blog post will be so controversial it is news in
>  and of itself... I don't really consider the latter to be a "news"
>  type of thing, though perhaps the collection of reviews on its own
>  might merit some sort of other scrutiny.  I could definitely see
>  someone going through non-news blog reviews and doing a round-up of
>  the most common review points/feedback/perceptions that we are seeing
>  from people, and seeing if there was a way to pass that feedback along
>  somehow (to fesco, or I don't know who.)
>
>

[Robyn Bergeron]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Arnav Kalra <arnavkalra007(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Distrowatch collects all this stuff automatically. Maybe we can just
> link to
>  it. 
Distrowatch, unless I'm missing a detail, collects/reposts
announcements from the distributions themselves, and reviews from
mainstream press, but they don't aggregate a lot of the other news
that is reported in the mainstream press (reporting and/or dissection
of decisions, interviews with specific contributors, deep dives into
specific features, etc.) So I don't know that we'd necessarily want to
rely on it as a single point of collection.
> >
> > I am the person who did it for multiple releases. It eventually got to
> > the point where it was too low of a priority for me to do, when I had
> > multiple jobs (FPL, program manager).
> >
> > My main gripes with this are:
> >
> > * OMG, pain in the butt. Seriously.  Wiki tables aren't awesome fun;
> > we are collecting the title, the link, the author, the date (not the
> > date it posted to the list, but the publication date), the language.
> > That's a lot of back and forth between multiple windows of cut and
> > pasting.  Not to sound like a wuss, but when I did these in batches,
> > it would normally take me a number of hours to go through 10-20 posts.
> >
> > * Return on investment. We collect the articles .... and ??? We never
> > did follow-up, except for the instances where someone would say
> > something horribly wrong or incorrect in an article and someone would
> > generally reach out to the author and try to correct them.  Ideally,
> > we'd take the list of people and make sure they were all on a press
> > list for release time, or do something like count the number of news
> > postings we'd get on a release day, and use that as a benchmark for
> > the next release to measure if we were getting more press, less press,
> > etc.  Or identify reasons/causes of attracting press attention,
> > outside of releases, and fine-tune our outreach. But we don't do
> > anything right now, except still the occasional "correct the author's
> > misinformation" type of thing, so going through and manually
> > collecting things is hard.
> >
> > In my dream universe, I've always wanted to see a simple web tool
> > where someone - instead of cutting/pasting into an email - could
> > cut/paste into a small web app where they could put the title, date,
> > author, etc. and then it would automagically post that in pretty table
> > format to a wiki.  Encouraging people to do the wiki entry on their
> > own when doing an in-the-news posting to the mailing list didn't yield
> > many results, and making it a requirement I suspect would just cut
> > down on the number of notifications we receive.  I am a fan of dead
> > simple and this, while sort of dead simple, assuming you know how to
> > use wiki tables, still sucks in terms of time/window swapping/omg i
> > forgot the extra bracket and it hosed my whole page/omg i closed the
> > window accidentally after entering 4 articles (though this is far less
> > of a problem now with the reopen closed tab thing, but when that
> > wasn't around, omg, I wanted to stab little kittens when I did that).
> >
> > One other thing to consider is that nowadays, there's a fine line
> > between "news by people who write news articles for news sites" and
> > "random blog posts/reviews of Fedora on personal blogs" - we often mix
> > both of these into this list, and though sometimes they'll qualify as
> > both, or someone's blog post will be so controversial it is news in
> > and of itself... I don't really consider the latter to be a "news"
> > type of thing, though perhaps the collection of reviews on its own
> > might merit some sort of other scrutiny.  I could definitely see
> > someone going through non-news blog reviews and doing a round-up of
> > the most common review points/feedback/perceptions that we are seeing
> > from people, and seeing if there was a way to pass that feedback along
> > somehow (to fesco, or I don't know who.)
> >
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[Arnav Kalra]

Distrowatch, unless I'm missing a detail, collects/reposts
announcements from the distributions themselves, and reviews from
mainstream press, but they don't aggregate a lot of the other news
that is reported in the mainstream press (reporting and/or dissection
of decisions, interviews with specific contributors, deep dives into
specific features, etc.) So I don't know that we'd necessarily want to
rely on it as a single point of collection.

I agree with that but it is better than having nothing. We can add phoronix
to the list because they cover features and other stuff like that.


Regards,
Arnav Kalra
104, Sector 14
Karnal - 132001
Mobile - [phone]
Home - [phone]

>

[María Leandro]

hello all.

I guess problem is not to know *where* to upload/share content, is how to
merge everything in a coherent way that doesn't annoy/bore people reading
each one.

Challenge is not to find people to handle this services, is to have a good
leader that can create a roadmap of how to spread the same news using
an appropriated format for each one.

So, could we just make a list of networks somewhere else and focus now at
the *how*? :)

hugs!

2012/8/29 Arnav Kalra <arnavkalra007(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  Distrowatch, unless I'm missing a detail, collects/reposts
>  announcements from the distributions themselves, and reviews from
>  mainstream press, but they don't aggregate a lot of the other news
>  that is reported in the mainstream press (reporting and/or dissection
>  of decisions, interviews with specific contributors, deep dives into
>  specific features, etc.) So I don't know that we'd necessarily want to
>  rely on it as a single point of collection.
>
>  I agree with that but it is better than having nothing. We can add
>  phoronix to the list because they cover features and other stuff like that.
>
>
>
>  Regards,
>  Arnav Kalra
>  104, Sector 14
>  Karnal - 132001
>  Mobile - [phone]
>  Home - [phone]
>
> >
> >
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[Arnav Kalra]

I agree.

Regards,
Arnav Kalra
104, Sector 14
Karnal - 132001
Mobile - [phone]
Home - [phone]



On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:41 PM, María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;wrote:

>  hello all.
>
>  I guess problem is not to know *where* to upload/share content, is how to
>  merge everything in a coherent way that doesn't annoy/bore people reading
>  each one.
>
>  Challenge is not to find people to handle this services, is to have a good
>  leader that can create a roadmap of how to spread the same news using
>  an appropriated format for each one.
>
>  So, could we just make a list of networks somewhere else and focus now at
>  the *how*? :)
>
>  hugs!
>
>
>

[Ruth Suehle]

On 08/29/2012 08:50 AM, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>  In my dream universe, I've always wanted to see a simple web tool
>
>  where someone - instead of cutting/pasting into an email - could 
>  cut/paste into a small web app where they could put the title, date, 
>  author, etc. and then it would automagically post that in pretty table 
>  format to a wiki. 
It's not quite this and more of an aggregator, but in our last Marketing 
team meeting, Jason Brooks showed the first stage of what he's been 
working on to collect Fedora news automatically:

http://venus1-jeb.rhcloud.com/

[Arnav Kalra]

The tool looks nice.


It's not quite this and more of an aggregator, but in our last Marketing
team meeting, Jason Brooks showed the first stage of what he's been working
on to collect Fedora news automatically:

>  http://venus1-jeb.rhcloud.com/
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>

[María Leandro]

looks nice, maybe we could do a cool design for it.

what about something like paper.li to release a daily resume of every
social network, so people can subscribe and check which updates they want
to add and which SN they want to skip.

would that be helpful?

/me is more worried about people wanting to read than how we would gather
the information... has to be easy, short and attractive so what is plan to
do has a positive effect and massive spread

2012/8/29 Arnav Kalra <arnavkalra007(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  The tool looks nice.
>
>
>
>  It's not quite this and more of an aggregator, but in our last Marketing
>  team meeting, Jason Brooks showed the first stage of what he's been working
>  on to collect Fedora news automatically:
>
> >
> > http://venus1-jeb.rhcloud.com/
> >
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[Arnav Kalra]

Maria your idea looks interesting.
I agree with you that the major problem would be finding an audience.
I think we can and should run a blog like omgubuntu.

[María Leandro]

The base for it is already done with Insight, is just an issue to find the
human resources that can get involve in this and create a SN group.
Marketing is a general team that has to handle not only about spreading and
SN, but also about websites image, marketing items and many more.

As we talk at FUDcon LATAM past week, we are planning to create a small
team inside the Marketing one to handle marketing stuff and shipping inside
LATAM (we hope to take that outside but we need to start small first), so I
guess wouldn't be that crazy to create inside the marketing team for
"spread"or just "press releases"

I think it's needed now :/

2012/8/29 Arnav Kalra <arnavkalra007(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  Maria your idea looks interesting.
>  I agree with you that the major problem would be finding an audience.
>  I think we can and should run a blog like omgubuntu.
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[Arnav Kalra]

You can count me in.

[Adrian Soliard]

What about Diaspora* (http://www.joindiaspora.com), a new social
network, there are not too much users, but I have seen publications
related to GNU/Linux, sometimes especially Fedora.
Since a few days, signing up in Diaspora* it's possible without an
invitation. Sincerely I don't know if pages, groups or something like
that it's possible, but maybe it's a good idea promote Fedora in this
social network too


2012/8/29 Arnav Kalra <arnavkalra007(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  You can count me in.
>
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[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 02:07 +0200, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
>  I'd propose a way somewhere in between:
>  A relatively big team of Ambassadors and Marketeers, maybe around ~20
>  people. They have a look at the buzz going on at various social
>  networks
>  an try act on trouble, spread word etc.
>  Imagine someone ranting on twitter on some "crappy thing in Fedora"
>  and
>  the social network team could show him where to get help or to find a
>  solution. That guy would be way less angry, as Fedora at least tried
>  to
>  help him - even if the problem can't be solved.
>  --> Big win for all of us!
>  
>  What'cha think?  
Hello,

IMO, everyone in the fedora community is already supposed to be doing
this, irrespective of whether they're in the marketing SIG or the
ambassadors SIG. I'd prefer *more* folks leading by example then us
coming up with a team for this really.

Most of us at the facebook group/#fedora irc etc. already talk to users,
help them etc. If everyone would do the same for whatever social app
they prefer, we won't really need a team. :)
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[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 22:20 +1000, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  Another fedora account:
>  https://www.facebook.com/fedoraproject.org
>  
>   
Got a reply from this one. It's handled by Suresh[1] who is involved in
freemedia and l10n :)

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sureshinde

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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:42:08 +0200
Jiri Eischmann <eischmann(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

...snip...

>  Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin? 
I have access to this one. 

I'm not sure I can grant other admins, but I can post there, etc. 

kevin

[Christopher Meng]

I think we can link some account such as facebook with twitter in order to
speed up the announcement spreading.

But I think we should ask the coordinator at first....

[Ruth Suehle]

| I'm not sure I can grant other admins, but I can post there, etc.

Google+ fairly recently changed how the pages work, so you can add multiple admins now.

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 08:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  
>  I have access to this one. 
>  
>  I'm not sure I can grant other admins, but I can post there, etc.  

I've updated the page with whatever info we've found:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks


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[Jiri Eischmann]

OK,
thank you for the discussion. It has brought a lot of new ideas. But I
think we shouldn't go too large at the beginning and rather start with a
humble, but working solution.
Let me summarize the discussion and draw some action items:

* we know who has access to Twitter, Identi.ca, and Google+ accounts, we
need to talk to them about sharing/giving us the access,
* we need to find out who has access to Facebook,
* we're looking for a group of volunteers who would regularly take care
of the accounts, ideally at least 2-3 people. Who's signing up? ;),
* I'd love to see someone in charge, a coordinator, who'd make sure all
necessary steps get done, get access to all accounts etc. Who's signing
up? ;)
* we should have a different approach to each social network to fully
leverage the network, the accounts shouldn't work just as RSS [1],
* things we should start with:
 - posting announcements (releases, new apps, Fedora in media,...)
 - creating events on G+ and FB (I'd start with test days which are
really important for us now)
 - posting pictures from main events such as FUDCons
* I don't think creating a separate mailing list is something that has
to be done at the beginning. When the group of volunteers is created
they can eventually decide what works the best for them. It'd be mainly
for coordination between them.

There are definitely more ideas such as using Hangout, blogs etc., but
I'd start with the ideas above. When this is fairly working we can
broaden our social media activities.

Jiri

[1] Our post should start interaction. For example instead of a simple
post "MATE Desktop goes to Fedora 18" I'd rather see "MATE Desktop
goes
to Fedora 18. Will you give a try or are you OK with GNOME 3?". 

Jiri Eischmann píše v Út 28. 08. 2012 v 13:42 +0200:
>  Hi,
>  the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
>  participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place to
>  spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
>  pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.
>  
>  Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its admin?
>  Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
>  Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly
>  Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no posts
>  
>  There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts. That's
>  not few and we should leverage it.
>  
>  It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure that
>  all important information gets posted at all social networks we're in,
>  and also persons responsible for individual social networks.
>  
>  I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been discussed
>  at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a really
>  bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
>  meetings, another would kill me.
>  
>  Jiri
>

[Arnav Kalra]

>  * we're looking for a group of volunteers who would regularly
> take care
>  of the accounts, ideally at least 2-3 people. Who's signing up? ;),
>  
I would like to help.

* we should have a different approach to each social network to fully
>  leverage the network, the accounts shouldn't work just as RSS
> [1],
>  
For this we need  a person with a lot of experience with that specific
social network.


>  * things we should start with:
>   - posting announcements (releases, new apps, Fedora in media,...)
>   - creating events on G+ and FB (I'd start with test days which are
>  really important for us now)
>   - posting pictures from main events such as FUDCons
>  
+1


>  * I don't think creating a separate mailing list is something
> that has
>  to be done at the beginning. When the group of volunteers is created
>  they can eventually decide what works the best for them. It'd be mainly
>  for coordination between them.
>
> <[e-mail]><https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing>
>
>  We can use specific tags for this.

[Jiri Eischmann]

There doesn't seem to be anyone to step up and become a social media
coordinator. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do it because of all my
other roles in Fedora Project. But Kevin Fenzi gave me admin rights to
"Fedora Project" page at Google+ and because I already take care of
"Fedora CZ" page I can take care of this one, too.

I started creating events for all Fedora test days, posting news etc.
There are 12,000 people following the page and the response to test days
has been big so far. We'll see how many of them will actually
participate in test days, but it's a good start.
If you want to help, you can pick another social network, get access to
our page/account, and do the same. We've discussed it a lot, instead of
bringing more and more ideas on the table we should focus on executing
those we have now. Stuff never gets done by discussions.

Jiri
 
Jiri Eischmann píše v St 29. 08. 2012 v 14:16 +0200:
>  OK,
>  thank you for the discussion. It has brought a lot of new ideas. But I
>  think we shouldn't go too large at the beginning and rather start with a
>  humble, but working solution.
>  Let me summarize the discussion and draw some action items:
>  
>  * we know who has access to Twitter, Identi.ca, and Google+ accounts, we
>  need to talk to them about sharing/giving us the access,
>  * we need to find out who has access to Facebook,
>  * we're looking for a group of volunteers who would regularly take care
>  of the accounts, ideally at least 2-3 people. Who's signing up? ;),
>  * I'd love to see someone in charge, a coordinator, who'd make sure all
>  necessary steps get done, get access to all accounts etc. Who's signing
>  up? ;)
>  * we should have a different approach to each social network to fully
>  leverage the network, the accounts shouldn't work just as RSS [1],
>  * things we should start with:
>   - posting announcements (releases, new apps, Fedora in media,...)
>   - creating events on G+ and FB (I'd start with test days which are
>  really important for us now)
>   - posting pictures from main events such as FUDCons
>  * I don't think creating a separate mailing list is something that has
>  to be done at the beginning. When the group of volunteers is created
>  they can eventually decide what works the best for them. It'd be mainly
>  for coordination between them.
>  
>  There are definitely more ideas such as using Hangout, blogs etc., but
>  I'd start with the ideas above. When this is fairly working we can
>  broaden our social media activities.
>  
>  Jiri
>  
>  [1] Our post should start interaction. For example instead of a simple
>  post "MATE Desktop goes to Fedora 18" I'd rather see "MATE Desktop
> goes
>  to Fedora 18. Will you give a try or are you OK with GNOME 3?". 
>  
>  Jiri Eischmann píše v Út 28. 08. 2012 v 13:42 +0200:
>  > Hi,
>  > the test season starts and our goal for this release is to get more
>  > participants in test days. Social networks are a really good place to
>  > spread the word about our test days. Unfortunately, Fedora
>  > pages/accounts in social networks are not in a good shape.
>  > 
>  > Facebook - several pages, which one is official and who is its admin?
>  > Google+ - no one has posted there since May, admin?
>  > Twitter - the only account that gets new posts regularly
>  > Identi.ca - the account "Fedora Users" is there, but no posts
>  > 
>  > There are tens of thousands people subscripted to our accounts. That's
>  > not few and we should leverage it.
>  > 
>  > It'd be great to have a social media coordinator who'd make sure that
>  > all important information gets posted at all social networks we're in,
>  > and also persons responsible for individual social networks.
>  > 
>  > I'm sorry if I'm talking about something that has already been discussed
>  > at weekly meetings. I can't attend them. Thursday evening is a really
>  > bad time for me and I already spend two evenings a week at Fedora
>  > meetings, another would kill me.
>  > 
>  > Jiri
>  > 
>  
>