FUDCon Marketing?

[John Poelstra]

I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  I 
haven't seen any external press.

Some folks have mentioned spreading the word via blog postings, but that 
seems to be more announcing to ourselves instead of the outside world.

Could we get some help from the RHT Communications people to start a 
campaign now that builds up to the actual event?  Maybe first starting 
with a press release?

This seems like a great opportunity to call attention to what is 
different about Fedora conferences... things like the admission fee 
being approximately $895 USD less than what it cost to attend the other 
distro's recent conference in Portland, Oregon in July 2007?

But then maybe it isn't fair to compare these two conferences because 
they have a different purpose as do the distributions? ;-)

John

[Kerrin Catallozzi]

John-
>  Could we get some help from the RHT Communications people to start a
>
>  campaign now that builds up to the actual event?  Maybe first starting 
>  with a press release? 
I would suggest a blog on www.press.redhat.com.  We use this
press blog 
to distribute news to our reporters, analysts and others, and we've 
posted multiple blogs from the "Fedora Team" about Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 
that Max has contributed.  This would be a great place to start the 
conversation and be able to continue it later with updates.  We just 
need someone to volunteer to either send along main points to include, 
and our team will draft the blog, or to write up the initial draft and 
send to me.  Let me know if you have questions.

thanks,
Kerri

Kerri Catallozzi
Red Hat Corporate Communications
o: 919.754.4268
More news, more often: www.press.redhat.com

[Karsten Wade]

Here's an initial draft.  Once we have consensus, we can move it over to
the RHT press blog.  I *think* I am a writer on that blog, so I can do
the byline if Kerri et al wish.

I wrote this from a personal viewpoint, since that is the flavor at
www.press.redhat.com, which I happen to agree with. :)  But the facts
should be general.  Also, if anyone has a better approach, go for it!
In fact, we could publish several postings from several perspectives.

### begin

The <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon">FUDCon</a>
(Fedora
User and Developer Conference) has once again sprung to life, this time
coming to Raleigh, NC 11 to 13 January 2008 for a meeting of the minds
near Red Hat HQ.  <a href="http://barcamp.org/FUDConRaleigh2008">Sign
up</a> is easy and <em>zero cost</em>.  If you can get yourself to
Raleigh, you are welcome to attend.  We're serious.  Come.

Started a few years ago as a grassroots conference with a bootstrappers
budget, FUDCon has slowly grown in size and importance.  These days at a
FUDCon, decisions are made about the next few releases of Fedora,
hackfests are held to produce code, content, and design, and leaders,
doers, and users meet to talk about just what they want.

<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon#Past_FUDCons">Past
FUDCons</a> were held in Boston (<a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2007">...;,
<a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2006">...;,
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon1">2005</a>),
<a
href="">Berlin</a>, <a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrussels2007"&...;,
<a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006">...;,
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon3">London&l...;,
<a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon2">Karlsruh...;, and
<a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF8">virtual...;.

At FUDCon Boston 2007 we had what I felt was one of our most successful
FUDCons.  The conference sessions were held as a <a
href="http://barcamp.org">BarCamp</a>-style, with session topics and
schedule finalized the morning of the event.  Over the weekend we held a
big hackfest, with hacks held by everyone from <a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure">Fedora
Infrastructure</a> to <a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging">packagers<... doing
final
reviews for a merged Core and Extras.  For me, the hackfest started
Saturday morning and finished Sunday night when we all started to fall
asleep in someone's hotel room.

The hackfest event I was most involved in resulted in a new, streamlined
process for <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join">joining Fedora
as a contributor</a>.  We worked out the target audiences via use cases
on a whiteboard with comments from Fedorans who joined us or happened to
be in our corner of the room, and while <a
href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MairinDuffy">Mo</a> drew up the
cool
icons, I whipped together the wiki pages to make it all happen.  By the
next day we were announcing new pages and a new process for all projects
to follow, helping to improve new contributors joining experience.

At previous FUDCons, this happened, and so did that.

At LinuxTag FUDCon, organizers did that, and this was the result

[[Help with more cool FUDCon history.]]

While I can't make any <em>forward looking statements</em> for the
Project in general, the future of FUDCon is definitely looking good to
me.  One thing I'd like to hear about is a more fixed schedule for at
least some of the FUDCons, such as the one(s) held in the United States.

Bio -- Karsten Wade is a Fedora Project Board member, currently leads
the Fedora Documentation Project, and works as a developer community
manager for Red Hat.

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[John Poelstra]

Karsten Wade said the following on 12/12/2007 01:03 PM Pacific Time:
>  Here's an initial draft.  Once we have consensus, we can move it
> over to
>  the RHT press blog.  I *think* I am a writer on that blog, so I can do
>  the byline if Kerri et al wish.
>  
>  I wrote this from a personal viewpoint, since that is the flavor at
>  www.press.redhat.com, which I happen to agree with. :)  But the facts
>  should be general.  Also, if anyone has a better approach, go for it!
>  In fact, we could publish several postings from several perspectives.
>   
It looks good.  I say send it out! Thanks for taking the time to write 
it up.

John

>  ### begin
>  
>  The <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon">FUDCon</a>
> (Fedora
>  User and Developer Conference) has once again sprung to life, this time
>  coming to Raleigh, NC 11 to 13 January 2008 for a meeting of the minds
>  near Red Hat HQ.  <a href="http://barcamp.org/FUDConRaleigh2008">Sign
>  up</a> is easy and <em>zero cost</em>.  If you can get yourself to
>  Raleigh, you are welcome to attend.  We're serious.  Come.
>  
>  Started a few years ago as a grassroots conference with a bootstrappers
>  budget, FUDCon has slowly grown in size and importance.  These days at a
>  FUDCon, decisions are made about the next few releases of Fedora,
>  hackfests are held to produce code, content, and design, and leaders,
>  doers, and users meet to talk about just what they want.
>  
>  <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon#Past_FUDCons">Past
>  FUDCons</a> were held in Boston (<a
>
> href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2007">...;,
>  <a
>
> href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2006">...;,
>  <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon1">2005</a>),
> <a
>  href="">Berlin</a>, <a
>
> href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrussels2007"&...;,
> <a
> href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConDelhi2006">...;,
> <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon3">London&l...;,
> <a
> href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon2">Karlsruh...;, and
> <a
> href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF8">virtual...;.
>  
>  At FUDCon Boston 2007 we had what I felt was one of our most successful
>  FUDCons.  The conference sessions were held as a <a
>  href="http://barcamp.org">BarCamp</a>-style, with session topics and
>  schedule finalized the morning of the event.  Over the weekend we held a
>  big hackfest, with hacks held by everyone from <a
>  href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure">Fedora
>  Infrastructure</a> to <a
>  href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging">packagers<... doing
> final
>  reviews for a merged Core and Extras.  For me, the hackfest started
>  Saturday morning and finished Sunday night when we all started to fall
>  asleep in someone's hotel room.
>  
>  The hackfest event I was most involved in resulted in a new, streamlined
>  process for <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join">joining Fedora
>  as a contributor</a>.  We worked out the target audiences via use cases
>  on a whiteboard with comments from Fedorans who joined us or happened to
>  be in our corner of the room, and while <a
>  href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MairinDuffy">Mo</a> drew up the
> cool
>  icons, I whipped together the wiki pages to make it all happen.  By the
>  next day we were announcing new pages and a new process for all projects
>  to follow, helping to improve new contributors joining experience.
>  
>  At previous FUDCons, this happened, and so did that.
>  
>  At LinuxTag FUDCon, organizers did that, and this was the result
>  
>  [[Help with more cool FUDCon history.]]
>  
>  While I can't make any <em>forward looking statements</em> for the
>  Project in general, the future of FUDCon is definitely looking good to
>  me.  One thing I'd like to hear about is a more fixed schedule for at
>  least some of the FUDCons, such as the one(s) held in the United States.
>  
>  Bio -- Karsten Wade is a Fedora Project Board member, currently leads
>  the Fedora Documentation Project, and works as a developer community
>  manager for Red Hat.
>  
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>  
>  
>

[sankarshan]

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John Poelstra wrote:

>  Could we get some help from the RHT Communications people to start a
>  campaign now that builds up to the actual event?  Maybe first starting
>  with a press release? 
Without taking anything away from a BOS FUDCon - the user base for
Fedora has been on the upswing across Asia - so, a typical lame question
would be - what does it take to propose a FUDCon somewhere in Asia (note
: I am not specifically saying India) and when does that process begin ?

:sankarshan

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[Mike McGrath]

John Poelstra wrote:
>  I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
>  banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  
>  I haven't seen any external press. 
For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new mechanism 
for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.

    -Mike

[John Poelstra]

Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
>  John Poelstra wrote:
> > I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
> > banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  
> > I haven't seen any external press.
>  
>  For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
>  http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new mechanism 
>  for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
>  
>     -Mike
>   
It is being blocked by AdBlock on Firefox3b1 for me.  I really think we 
need to add the specific dates... "2008" is too vague and the event is 
less than 30 days away!

John

[Clint Savage]

John Poelstra wrote:
>  Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
> > John Poelstra wrote:
> >> I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
> >> banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  
> >> I haven't seen any external press.
> >
> > For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new 
> > mechanism for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
> >
> >    -Mike
> >
>  
>  It is being blocked by AdBlock on Firefox3b1 for me.  I really think we 
>  need to add the specific dates... "2008" is too vague and the event is 
>  less than 30 days away!
>  
>  John
>   
Adblock is blocking it for me as well...

Clint

[Shawn Kaplan]

I'm a bit new to this thread, hope you don't mind me tossing in my two cents. 
Couple of thoughts:

- we need to think clearly about the target audience of the event, and why they would want
to attend.
- determine our budget, organize our resources and then execute
- time is growing short, so finding a rapid way to spread the word is critical.
- banner ads on appropriate venues is most certainly a good idea, though not. often not
free.  But sure a lot cheaper, quicker, and easier to produce than print ads.
- another excellent method is PR, which is often free and brings with it a multiplier
effect.  If we can seed this with an 'announcement', or quotes from a recent
success story or key note speaker then all the better.  Kerrin and karsten already have a
head start on this.
- direct email is likely a winner as well, as I'd expect we have links to most of our
target audience anyway.  We'll need to identify some target lists.

Thoughts?
Is there a budget we're working to?  Is it zero?  Or is there an opportunity to make a
business case and get a bit?
Have we written down our goals or target audience anywhere yet?

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Savage <clints(a)utos.org&gt;

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:31:38 
To:For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base
<fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Subject: Re: FUDCon Marketing?


John Poelstra wrote:
>  Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
> > John Poelstra wrote:
> >> I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
> >> banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  
> >> I haven't seen any external press.
> >
> > For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new 
> > mechanism for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
> >
> >    -Mike
> >
>  
>  It is being blocked by AdBlock on Firefox3b1 for me.  I really think we 
>  need to add the specific dates... "2008" is too vague and the event is 
>  less than 30 days away!
>  
>  John
>   
Adblock is blocking it for me as well...

Clint

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[Mike McGrath]

Clint Savage wrote:
>  John Poelstra wrote:
> > Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
> >> John Poelstra wrote:
> >>> I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
> >>> banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about 
> >>> FUDCon?  I haven't seen any external press.
> >>
> >> For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating 
> >> on http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new 
> >> mechanism for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
> >>
> >>    -Mike
> >>
> >
> > It is being blocked by AdBlock on Firefox3b1 for me.  I really think 
> > we need to add the specific dates... "2008" is too vague and the 
> > event is less than 30 days away!
> >
> > John
> >
>
>  Adblock is blocking it for me as well... 
In fairness... it is an ad :)

    -Mike

[Jonathan Roberts]

On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 08:27 -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
>  Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
>  > John Poelstra wrote:
>  >> I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
>  >> banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  
>  >> I haven't seen any external press.
>  > 
>  > For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new mechanism 
>  > for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
>  > 
>  >    -Mike
>  > 
>  
>  It is being blocked by AdBlock on Firefox3b1 for me.  I really think we 
>  need to add the specific dates... "2008" is too vague and the event is 
>  less than 30 days away! 
I've made a version which says "11-13 Jan 2008" if anybody thinks
that's
any better:

http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-date-banner.png

Best,

Jon
>  
>  John
>

[John Poelstra]

Jonathan Roberts said the following on 12/13/2007 09:39 AM Pacific Time:

>  I've made a version which says "11-13 Jan 2008" if
> anybody thinks that's
>  any better:
>  
>  http://questionsplease.org/fedora/fudcon-date-banner.png
>   
Looks great!  I was just afraid someone would read it as 2008 without 
taking the time to find out exactly when.

Thanks,
John

[John Poelstra]

Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
>  John Poelstra wrote:
> > I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
> > banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  
> > I haven't seen any external press.
>  
>  For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
>  http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new mechanism 
>  for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
>  
>     -Mike
>   
Can we rotate in the new banner that has the exact dates of FUDCon?

Thanks,
John

[Mike McGrath]

John Poelstra wrote:
>  Mike McGrath said the following on 12/13/2007 08:14 AM Pacific Time:
> > John Poelstra wrote:
> >> I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
> >> banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about 
> >> FUDCon?  I haven't seen any external press.
> >
> > For those that haven't seen it we do have a fudcon banner rotating on 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/  refresh it a few times.  Its a new 
> > mechanism for us so if you don't see it or its broken let us know.
> >
> >    -Mike
> >
>
>  Can we rotate in the new banner that has the exact dates of FUDCon? 
Just added it, should be in rotation within the next 30 minutes.

    -Mike

[Robert 'Bob' Jensen]

John Poelstra wrote:
>  I thought Mike McGrath started a good idea with the thread about a 
>  banner ad... what else are we doing to spread the word about FUDCon?  I 
>  haven't seen any external press.
>  
>  Some folks have mentioned spreading the word via blog postings, but that 
>  seems to be more announcing to ourselves instead of the outside world.
>  
>  Could we get some help from the RHT Communications people to start a 
>  campaign now that builds up to the actual event?  Maybe first starting 
>  with a press release?
>  
>  This seems like a great opportunity to call attention to what is 
>  different about Fedora conferences... things like the admission fee 
>  being approximately $895 USD less than what it cost to attend the other 
>  distro's recent conference in Portland, Oregon in July 2007?
>  
>  But then maybe it isn't fair to compare these two conferences because 
>  they have a different purpose as do the distributions? ;-)
>  
>  John
>   
I asked daMaestro to add a banner to all the Fedora Unity Sites tonight 
and as always he came through for me.

Thanks to all those that worked on the banner, we used the version from 
Jonathan Roberts BTW.

Robert 'Bob' Jensen
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen
KC0WYC
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/AmateurRadio
Fedora Unity Project
http://fedoraunity.org/

FUDCon *PLANNING* [was Re: FUDCon Marketing?]

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 06:30:59AM -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
>  Could we get some help from the RHT Communications people to start a
>
>  campaign now that builds up to the actual event?  Maybe first starting 
>  with a press release? 
This is a great idea, but another place where we really need to be working
more in advance. It's almost too late for the current one. Anyone who needs
to convince their employer to send them, justify expenses, and book a plane
ticket is probably already out of luck.

If we want to have serious events, we need to have all the proverbial ducks
in a row with their Ts dotted and Is crossed (or something like that) at
least two months in advance. Preferably three or more.

Since we already know the basic release schedule that far in advance, this
really shouldn't be impossible.




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FUDCon *PLANNING* [was Re: FUDCon Marketing?]

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Matthew Miller wrote:

>  On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 06:30:59AM -0800, John Poelstra wrote:
> > Could we get some help from the RHT Communications people to start a
> > campaign now that builds up to the actual event?  Maybe first starting
> > with a press release?
>
>  This is a great idea, but another place where we really need to be working
>  more in advance. It's almost too late for the current one. Anyone who needs
>  to convince their employer to send them, justify expenses, and book a plane
>  ticket is probably already out of luck.
>
>  If we want to have serious events, we need to have all the proverbial ducks
>  in a row with their Ts dotted and Is crossed (or something like that) at
>  least two months in advance. Preferably three or more.
>
>  Since we already know the basic release schedule that far in advance, this
>  really shouldn't be impossible. 
Well, then, we should announce the summer FUDCon now, since we know it'll 
be in Boston in conjunction with the Red Hat Summit.

--g

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FUDCon *PLANNING* [was Re: FUDCon Marketing?]

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:38:39AM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
>  Well, then, we should announce the summer FUDCon now, since we know
> it'll 
>  be in Boston in conjunction with the Red Hat Summit. 
Yes, totally we should. Give me a minute here though. :)

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FUDCon *PLANNING* [was Re: FUDCon Marketing?]

[Jon Stanley]

On Dec 19, 2007 10:38 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Well, then, we should announce the summer FUDCon now, since we know
> it'll
>  be in Boston in conjunction with the Red Hat Summit. 
Which brings up another interesting point - the Summit will attract a
crowd (myself included) that is interested in both the Summit and
FUDCon.  Have the logistics/scheduling been worked out with the Summit
folks yet?  The fear that I have is that I'll have to take precious
time away from the sessions at the Summit in order to attend FUDCon?
Maybe we could do the Barcamp style thing that's occurring on Saturday
this FUDCon on Tuesday 6/17 if there's space available?

Just a thought.

-Jon

FUDCon *PLANNING* [was Re: FUDCon Marketing?]

[inode0]

On Dec 20, 2007 5:06 PM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Dec 19, 2007 10:38 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk(a)redhat.com&gt;
> wrote:
>
>  > Well, then, we should announce the summer FUDCon now, since we know it'll
>  > be in Boston in conjunction with the Red Hat Summit.
>
>  Which brings up another interesting point - the Summit will attract a
>  crowd (myself included) that is interested in both the Summit and
>  FUDCon.  Have the logistics/scheduling been worked out with the Summit
>  folks yet?  The fear that I have is that I'll have to take precious
>  time away from the sessions at the Summit in order to attend FUDCon?
>  Maybe we could do the Barcamp style thing that's occurring on Saturday
>  this FUDCon on Tuesday 6/17 if there's space available? 
+1

The summit typically doesn't leave one with a lot of free time if one
is there for the summit. I'm in the same boat and would love to be
able to attend the barcamp without skipping a day of the summit.

John

FUDCon *PLANNING* [was Re: FUDCon Marketing?]

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 05:06:49PM -0600, Jon Stanley wrote:
>  > Well, then, we should announce the summer FUDCon now, since we
> know it'll
>  > be in Boston in conjunction with the Red Hat Summit.
>  Which brings up another interesting point - the Summit will attract a
>  crowd (myself included) that is interested in both the Summit and
>  FUDCon.  Have the logistics/scheduling been worked out with the Summit
>  folks yet?  The fear that I have is that I'll have to take precious 
Right, I hope that's obvious to everyone involved -- we want to use that
synergy to our advantage, not create a competing event.

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