The future of Shotwell in Fedora

[charles profitt]

Hello everyone,

I just finished a draft of an Article about the discussion concerning
the potential replacement of Shotwell in future versions of Fedora.

You will need to log in with your FAS account[1] before you can view
the article.

https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11005&preview_id=11005&preview=true

I think I have covered the major points in the thread and the two
potential replacements that have been mentioned. I was not sure about
referencing a similar previous look at image viewers that was in Fedora
Magazine in 2014. 

https://fedoramagazine.org/17-alternatives-to-your-default-image-viewer
-on-fedora/

This is potentially my first article for Fedora Magazine so I welcome
all feedback.

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Thanks,

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Charles Profitt
Open Source Advocate
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 05:40:49PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  Hello everyone,
>  
>  I just finished a draft of an Article about the discussion concerning
>  the potential replacement of Shotwell in future versions of Fedora.
>  
>  You will need to log in with your FAS account[1] before you can view
>  the article.
>  
>  https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11005&preview_id=11005&preview=true
>  
>  I think I have covered the major points in the thread and the two
>  potential replacements that have been mentioned. I was not sure about
>  referencing a similar previous look at image viewers that was in Fedora
>  Magazine in 2014. 
>  
>  https://fedoramagazine.org/17-alternatives-to-your-default-image-viewer
>  -on-fedora/
>  
>  This is potentially my first article for Fedora Magazine so I welcome
>  all feedback.
>  
>  ref
>  ---
>  [1] - http://fedoramagazine.org/logging-into-fedora-magazine-with-fas/ 
I read this draft but I wasn't sure how this figured into our
publishing strategy for the coming weeks.  Personally I think a story
that says "we don't know yet what the next photo app will be, or if
there'll be one" isn't very interesting for the audience.  I don't
think it's helpful to direct thousands of readers to a conversation
where they don't have a lot of context.

It's more useful to me to have a newer look at image viewers than the
previous article.  People already know they have choices, maybe a good
revision would be to show them updates there?


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[Bryan Sutherland]

From: Paul W. Frields
Sent: November 30, 2015 16:18
To: marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: The future of Shotwell in Fedora


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 05:40:49PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  Hello everyone,
>  
>  
>  https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11005&preview_id=11005&preview=true
>  
>  I think I have covered the major points in the thread and the two
>  potential replacements that have been mentioned. I was not sure about
>  referencing a similar previous look at image viewers that was in Fedora
>  Magazine in 2014. 
>  
>  https://fedoramagazine.org/17-alternatives-to-your-default-image-viewer
>  -on-fedora/
>   
I read this draft but I wasn't sure how this figured into our
publishing strategy for the coming weeks.  Personally I think a story
that says "we don't know yet what the next photo app will be, or if
there'll be one" isn't very interesting for the audience.  I don't
think it's helpful to direct thousands of readers to a conversation
where they don't have a lot of context.

It's more useful to me to have a newer look at image viewers than the
previous article.  People already know they have choices, maybe a good
revision would be to show them updates there?


I have to agree with Paul. Perhaps it would be good to angle it as “With Shotwell being
forked, it’s future in Fedora may be limited... These {X number of} replacement options
are vying for top spot...”

It would be great to include Darktable in with the options as well as it’s one of the most
capable tools available to manage photos.

Bryan


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[charles profitt]

On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 16:27 -0500, Bryan Sutherland wrote:
>  I have to agree with Paul. Perhaps it would be good to angle it as
>  “With Shotwell being forked, it’s future in Fedora may be limited...
>  These {X number of} replacement options are vying for top spot...”
>   
>  It would be great to include Darktable in with the options as well as
>  it’s one of the most capable tools available to manage photos.
>    
Thanks for the feedback. I was looking at it from a different angle
when writing it - more of a call to action for contributors to give
feedback. Let me look at the other angle and see how I can change the
point of view and add a few more options that have not been mentioned
in that mailing list discussion.


-- 
Charles Profitt
Open Source Advocate
https://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/

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[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:36:50PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  Thanks for the feedback. I was looking at it from a different angle
>  when writing it - more of a call to action for contributors to give
>  feedback. Let me look at the other angle and see how I can change the
>  point of view and add a few more options that have not been mentioned
>  in that mailing list discussion. 
The "call to action" angle might be something for
communityblog.fedoraproject.org?


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Justin W. Flory]

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=             Quick Summary               =
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1) Why not both Magazine + CommBlog?
2) Magazine: Looking at other software
3) CommBlog: Contributors to give feedback
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On 12/01/2015 08:36 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:36:50PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
> > Thanks for the feedback. I was looking at it from a different angle
> > when writing it - more of a call to action for contributors to give
> > feedback. Let me look at the other angle and see how I can change the
> > point of view and add a few more options that have not been mentioned
> > in that mailing list discussion.
>
>  The "call to action" angle might be something for
>  communityblog.fedoraproject.org? 
I think maybe this could be a double post of sorts for the Magazine and 
the CommBlog?

For the Magazine, the article could have a focus on making users aware 
of other software that is available as an alternative to Shotwell, 
without necessarily saying the end is nigh for Shotwell. This way, users 
can be informed about possible alternatives and they might actually find 
something they like better anyways. This way, whenever Shotwell is faded 
out, we can easily refer back to this article in the future and say, 
"Here, look at these alternatives" too.

As for the CommBlog, there could be a shorter post for contributors 
explaining that feedback is needed and this is the opportunity to help 
shape an impact on the tool that is shipped by default with Fedora and 
so on. The CommBlog article could also point to the Magazine article as 
a reference for checking out alternatives.

This is my take on it, what do you all think?

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Cheers,
Justin W. Flory
jflory7(a)gmail.com

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:36:50PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 16:27 -0500, Bryan Sutherland wrote:
>  > I have to agree with Paul. Perhaps it would be good to angle it as
>  > “With Shotwell being forked, it’s future in Fedora may be limited...
>  > These {X number of} replacement options are vying for top spot...”
>  >  
>  > It would be great to include Darktable in with the options as well as
>  > it’s one of the most capable tools available to manage photos.
>  >  
>  
>  Thanks for the feedback. I was looking at it from a different angle
>  when writing it - more of a call to action for contributors to give
>  feedback. Let me look at the other angle and see how I can change the
>  point of view and add a few more options that have not been mentioned
>  in that mailing list discussion. 
To be clear -- I would like to see the article focus more on helping
users choose something they like to use, as opposed to having hundreds
of people "drop in" to the list to give random opinions.  That can
break down the mailing list discussion value quickly.  I'd probably
drop the angle of the mailing list discussion except as a side note.



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[charles profitt]

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To be clear -- I would like to see the article focus more on helping

users choose something they like to use, as opposed to having hundreds

of people "drop in" to the list to give random opinions. That can

break down the mailing list discussion value quickly. I'd probably

drop the angle of the mailing list discussion except as a side note.




Sounds good. I will work on that over the next week... I need to get some additional apps
installed on my testing machine and take some screenies; review features.



Charles