10:41 p.m.
Problem is the symbol does not really attract anyone. We have
seen the reactions on fedoraforum.org. I even show it to
my family and friend, overall they didn't like it.
We are on November yet there is no other draft available before
Fedora Core 5 Test 2. Making a set of three or five logo drafts would be
a better way to receive a feedback then choose to enhance that draft.
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Tejas,
all,
I have recoverd the files and they are all available again at the
FUDCon Karslruhe 2005 page:
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon2
Sorry about the mixup, won't happen again :)
Cheers,
a
On 10/29/05, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex Maier wrote:
>
> >Great job Tejas!
> >
> >
> Thanks Alex
>
> >If you are looking for ready-made presentations and ideas for talks,
> >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon
> >will help you.
> >
> >Please follow the links to the individual FUDCons to download slides,
> >wherever availabe.
> >
> >I will gladly go over your slides when you have a draft ready. Simply
> >contact me off-list.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >a
> >
> Unfortunately, all of the links on this page:
> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDCon2
>
> return a 404
>
> Is there anyway I can borrow Mr Warren Togami's Slides (fedora overview)
> so that I can base my own on them?
>
> Thanks Again
> Tejas Dinkar
>
> Perhaps just mail it to this email, if slides are under 10Mb, else put
> it up online
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:01:31 -0500
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Hey folks,
Here is what I've done:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive
If you see media covering us, please post a link to the article, a
webcast, etc to this page!
Thank you,
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:15:08 -0500
From: Alex Maier <lxmaier(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How about in Strasbourg ?
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Chitesh,
Thank you very much for your request. If you wish to represent Fedora
to Europeans and to French people in particular, this can be arranged
:)
You can become Fedora Ambassador and we will help you out with
materials as far as we can.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Ambassadors
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/HowTo
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct
Please read the HowTo page carefully and be sure you have the time and
resources to be an Ambassador. If you think you are up for it, please
send me an email off-list and I will get you all set up.
Please also pay special attention to who else is already active in
your region. You may want to get in touch with them for guidance as
you get started.
Thank you,
Alex
On 11/6/05, Chitlesh GOORAH <cgoorah(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Hai there,
> my profile in brief can be found at :
> http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Chitlesh_Goorah
> Well its not the first that im in search for information how to market
> fedora in France.
> below is what i wrote to fedora-marketing list, but no one answered to me:
>
> I read a linux magazine. In this particular magazine, it compared between
> some various Linux OS.
> In the fedora section, it identifies fedora as a least-stable OS of any RPM
> Based OS.
> And fedora has not yet really impressed europeans.
> In my local LUG, im the only one with the FC OS, most of them are using
> debian based OS.
> We are planning in this february an "OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE DAY" on 5-7
May
> 2006. similar to the german's "LINUXTAG". Im not yet communicated
about the
> amount of money being invested.
>
> In June 2005, in karlsruhe there was a linuxtag. And fedora core was part
> of the red-hat advertissement team. some developpers were present. Since i
> stated before (from the particular magazine) that fedora core has not yet
> impressed europeans, I wonder if there is a way to advertise fedora core. I
> mean if i can ask some kind of association/company to send me free stickers
> or any promotional material associated to FC to this open source event.
>
> Yes, I live in France (Strasbourg ).
> I wish to know a little more about how it goes with the invitation of the
> FC developpers and Marketing teams to our event knowing the fact that we
> don't have a big budget, so that I could talk to the other members of my lug
> about my plan to have a Fedora Core booth with real FC developpers and
> Marketing teams.
>
> The presence of a Fedora Core booth (even if its with the Red Hat Team)
> could really attract and make aware to the public that Fedora Core is not
> only a platform for developping the RHEL.
> I did wrote to
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=83407
>
> till you have any suggestions to help me with it
> Thanks
> Chitlesh GOORAH
>
> ps: the schedule days for the event day is conflicting with the linuxtag in
> Wiesbaden, so consider it as temporary
>
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I have also started a page where you can post links to news coverag of Fedora:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive
Kennards story is up there already :)
Cheers,
a
On 11/4/05, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Stephen Krenzel wrote:
>
> > Submitted the story to slashdot, I guess we'll see if it gets through.
> > Regards,
> > Steve
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks. Other news sites which can be used to spread the news
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SpreadingNews
>
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> Rahul
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1:14 a.m.
New subject: Fedora Logo: Modifications and a new one
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 20:41 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
Problem is the symbol does not really attract anyone. We have
seen the reactions on fedoraforum.org. I even show it to
my family and friend, overall they didn't like it.
I've been catching up on the discussions from last week on this subject.
I sympathize with people who are coming later into this discussion and
still feel there is a wide open field for debate.
However, your comment above is in the category of saying, "Most people
feel that ..." Really, the only person you can talk about is yourself.
Even if you read every single forum entry looking for feedback on the
logo, you are still drawing from a self-selected survey. These are
people who cared enough to write something. It could be that the people
who liked the logo said, "Looks great," and went on with their day.
We'll never really know.
Where is the real traction? It is from the people who read
announcements, came to this mailing list, and got involved. Nothing
occurred in secret, a good effort was made to seek out feedback Back
then, when it was time for All New Ideas.
Now we are here.
I'm interested in seeing actual layouts using the new logo. Anyone have
some drafts they care to share?
- Karsten
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1:34 a.m.
New subject: Fedora Logo: Modifications and a new one
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 23:14 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 20:41 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Problem is the symbol does not really attract anyone. We have
> seen the reactions on fedoraforum.org. I even show it to
> my family and friend, overall they didn't like it.
I've been catching up on the discussions from last week on this subject.
I sympathize with people who are coming later into this discussion and
still feel there is a wide open field for debate.
However, your comment above is in the category of saying, "Most people
feel that ..." Really, the only person you can talk about is yourself.
Even if you read every single forum entry looking for feedback on the
logo, you are still drawing from a self-selected survey. These are
people who cared enough to write something. It could be that the people
who liked the logo said, "Looks great," and went on with their day.
We'll never really know.
Where is the real traction? It is from the people who read
announcements, came to this mailing list, and got involved. Nothing
occurred in secret, a good effort was made to seek out feedback Back
then, when it was time for All New Ideas.
Now we are here.
I'm interested in seeing actual layouts using the new logo. Anyone have
some drafts they care to share?
- Karsten
I have to admit I did not care for the the logo in the beginning. But as
time has gone on I have either started to like it or just resigned my
self to living with it. I am really not sure which.
Karsten you asked for example layouts, a few of us from #fedora have
started a project to bring content together under one roof if you will.
We are just getting started but we have our main site up but have yet to
pick a CMS that we want to live with. http://fedoraunity.org/ I pilfered
the header background from the Wiki and modified the final logo to work
on the dark background. Feel free to give us feed back on the site.
Robert 'Bob' Jensen
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Fedora Community Member
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5:15 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
Hello Everyone,
Every time I read a post from this list I ask myself "why do we keep
banging our heads against the wall?"
Truly, for how many months have we been discussing the logo???
I believe I am not the only person here feeling that this is a lovely
place to discuss ideas, but a "not very lovely" place to get things
done, am I?
The only answer I could find is "because we don't have cut-clear project
management guidelines", thus the decisions are not based on previously
agreed frames.
If you are with me keep reading, otherwise just press delete and add my
email address to your filters.
In some previous posts I suggested we have a more professional approach
towards our activities. What I meant by that is defining a few variables
before every project execution. In other words, carefully planning and
backing our moves, and understanding its consequences.
Say the project is NEW FC LOGO (just brainstorming, ok?):
PROJECT VISION: establish a new FC visual identity in accordance with
the Fedora Foundation goals and community aspirations
PROJECT OVERVIEW:
. discuss, vote, and agree upon FC new logo and visual identity
PROJECT GOALS:
. create a new FC logo
. create a new FC visual identity (logo variants)
. establish usage guidelines
PROJECT SCOPE:
. discuss main logo aspects
. produce layouts
. layouts voting by community
. layout final definition by advisory board
. create logo usage guidelines
. promote new FC logo and visual identity worldwide
PROJECT TIMELINE:
. define EXACT DATES for each of the steps outlined in the scope
(this way we have a base schedule for our activities, and avoid "going
backwards"
ACTION PLAN:
. break down each of the scope tasks into smaller and detailed
activities, and again: establish exact dates, considering possible
delays
COMMUNICATION TOOLS:
. outline all communications tools and their purposes within the project
scenario, so all members know how to interact in the project
PROJECT RESOURCES:
. outline all participants and their responsibilities for the project
completion
## COMMITMENT IS KEY!
. also include all other resources to be utilized
PROJECT COSTS:
. better talk to finance geek, not me...but I cannot imagine a
successful project without a defined budget
PROJECTS RISKS:
. nominate all, even the ones with lesser probability to occur, and
study their consequences
. counter actions, contention plans, etc
I didn't get these guidelines out of my mind. They are part of the PMI
(Project Management Institute) courses, world widely known and
recognized.
So, are we changing our approach or continue wondering about the new FC
logo for another semester?
Thanks for listening!
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2:14 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 17:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
>So, are we changing our approach or continue wondering about the new FC
>logo for another semester?
>
>
Nope. we arent. Whats the next items on the agenda?
Hello Everyone!
I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
This is in 3 weeks time...
Cheers,
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2:35 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
Hi
Hello Everyone!
I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
This is in 3 weeks time...
I am not sure if you are following all the discussions in the list but we met the
deadline about a week or so back.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
regards
Rahul
2:43 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I am not sure if you are following all the discussions in the list
but we met the deadline about a week or so back.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
Hi Rahul,
Sorry if I misunderstood the wiki content "What about the source
formats, font, logo license and guidelines?
We are working on providing these after we discuss the requirements in
detail carefully. We request your patience."
Thanks for the update,
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2:48 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
Hi
Hi Rahul,
Sorry if I misunderstood the wiki content "What about the source
formats, font, logo license and guidelines?
Yes. The guidelines have not been decided but the logo has been.
Deciding on the proper guidelines probably requires some legal advice
and we dont decide the deadline on that. Lets talk about agendas which
arent Dependant on external factors such as these.
regards
Rahul
3:06 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Yes. The guidelines have not been decided but the logo has been.
Deciding on the proper guidelines probably requires some legal advice
and we dont decide the deadline on that. Lets talk about agendas which
arent Dependant on external factors such as these.
Sure! I thought of creating some simple step-by-step instructions for
someone willing to promote FC in their market from scratch. Some basic
grassroots stuff...
E.g.
1) Get together 5 people from your language and send an email to
blah@blah requesting the creation of a translation list (without having
the distro in their own language I cannot see the point for promoting it
in the country)
2) Get familiar with translation process.....
3) Promote the yourlanguage translation project
4) Mingle with other OSS-enthusiasts in your country (union brings
power) and invite them to participate...
5) Create a localized website....
6) Ambassadors...
Friday night here and I gotta go. Hope these are of interest.
Have an awesome weekend everyone!
Best,
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1:36 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 19:06 +1000, David Barzilay wrote:
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Yes. The guidelines have not been decided but the logo has been.
> Deciding on the proper guidelines probably requires some legal advice
> and we dont decide the deadline on that. Lets talk about agendas which
> arent Dependant on external factors such as these.
Sure! I thought of creating some simple step-by-step instructions for
someone willing to promote FC in their market from scratch. Some basic
grassroots stuff...
[snip ideas]
Maybe you want to populate a Wiki page with these ideas?
Perhaps,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GettingStarted ?
(Just a name suggestion.)
Hopefully Alex and others are watching the content that is created in
the Ambassadors namespace. They do this by putting Ambassadors.* in
their list of subscribed pages through this page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences
Then it is easy to watch the changes you make and make their own changes
to the same page.
Similarly, per-language pages could be created under Ambassadors/, or by
language code, e.g., wiki/ptBR/ ... or ?
- Karsten
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1:56 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
Hi Karsten,
Thanks for your feedback and suggestions!
I'll create the document locally in the next two weeks, then think of
its best fit.
Is anyone else interested in co-writing or editing this document?
Stories and experiences for promoting FC in other countries are welcome!
Best,
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On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 23:36 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 19:06 +1000, David Barzilay wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Yes. The guidelines have not been decided but the logo has been.
> > Deciding on the proper guidelines probably requires some legal advice
> > and we dont decide the deadline on that. Lets talk about agendas which
> > arent Dependant on external factors such as these.
>
> Sure! I thought of creating some simple step-by-step instructions for
> someone willing to promote FC in their market from scratch. Some basic
> grassroots stuff...
[snip ideas]
Maybe you want to populate a Wiki page with these ideas?
Perhaps,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GettingStarted ?
(Just a name suggestion.)
Hopefully Alex and others are watching the content that is created in
the Ambassadors namespace. They do this by putting Ambassadors.* in
their list of subscribed pages through this page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences
Then it is easy to watch the changes you make and make their own changes
to the same page.
Similarly, per-language pages could be created under Ambassadors/, or by
language code, e.g., wiki/ptBR/ ... or ?
- Karsten
7:43 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
>Hello Everyone!
>
>I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
>This is in 3 weeks time...
>
I am not sure if you are following all the discussions in the list but we met the
deadline about a week or so back.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
Sorry if I missed it, but I have a question about the logo. Is this now
the official logo? If so, could someone like myself, who has written a
book that describes Fedora (and actually delivers it with the book) use
that logo on the book cover?
For example, I know I can use the Open Use Debian logo because it says
so here:
http://www.debian.org/logos/
Any guidance would be appreciated.
-- Chris Negus
7:45 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
Chris Negus wrote:
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>Hi
>
>
>
>>Hello Everyone!
>>
>>I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
>>This is in 3 weeks time...
>>
>>
>>
>I am not sure if you are following all the discussions in the list but we met the
deadline about a week or so back.
>
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
>
>
Sorry if I missed it, but I have a question about the logo. Is this now
the official logo? If so, could someone like myself, who has written a
book that describes Fedora (and actually delivers it with the book) use
that logo on the book cover?
For example, I know I can use the Open Use Debian logo because it says
so here:
http://www.debian.org/logos/
Any guidance would be appreciated.
See the FAQ in the link above. You would have to wait for the
guidelines to be published.
regards
Rahul
8:21 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 19:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Chris Negus wrote:
>Sorry if I missed it, but I have a question about the logo. Is this now
>the official logo? If so, could someone like myself, who has written a
>book that describes Fedora (and actually delivers it with the book) use
>that logo on the book cover?
See the FAQ in the link above. You would have to wait for the
guidelines to be published.
Yes, I see the line you are referring to now. No problem, I can wait. I
don't need to know for another week. ;-)
-- Chris
5:44 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, David Barzilay wrote:
Hello Everyone!
I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
This is in 3 weeks time...
I can appreciate your sense of urgency, David, but what deadline are you
looking for, exactly? We have a logo. Are you looking specifically for
an announcement of the new logo? Usage guidelines?
We'll be putting up the new logo on f.r.c and fp.o within the next several
days, I think.
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9:18 p.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
Hi Greg and All,
Would be great to know how to use the new logo in the Brazilian Fedora
users website ;)
Many thanks,
Dave
On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 06:44 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, David Barzilay wrote:
> Hello Everyone!
>
> I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
> This is in 3 weeks time...
I can appreciate your sense of urgency, David, but what deadline are you
looking for, exactly? We have a logo. Are you looking specifically for
an announcement of the new logo? Usage guidelines?
We'll be putting up the new logo on f.r.c and fp.o within the next several
days, I think.
--g
7:22 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
I've got a discussion with our counsel tomorrow afternoon. Logo usage
policy is item number one on the discussion list. After that meeting,
I'll have a better answer for you -- promise.
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, David Barzilay wrote:
Hi Greg and All,
Would be great to know how to use the new logo in the Brazilian Fedora
users website ;)
Many thanks,
Dave
On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 06:44 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, David Barzilay wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone!
> >
> > I want to suggest a deadline for the new FC logo. How about 9 December?
> > This is in 3 weeks time...
>
> I can appreciate your sense of urgency, David, but what deadline are you
> looking for, exactly? We have a logo. Are you looking specifically for
> an announcement of the new logo? Usage guidelines?
>
> We'll be putting up the new logo on f.r.c and fp.o within the next several
> days, I think.
>
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5:46 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
David Barzilay wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Every time I read a post from this list I ask myself "why do we keep
banging our heads against the wall?"
Truly, for how many months have we been discussing the logo???
I believe I am not the only person here feeling that this is a lovely
place to discuss ideas, but a "not very lovely" place to get things
done, am I?
The only answer I could find is "because we don't have cut-clear project
management guidelines", thus the decisions are not based on previously
agreed frames.
If you are with me keep reading, otherwise just press delete and add my
email address to your filters.
In some previous posts I suggested we have a more professional approach
towards our activities. What I meant by that is defining a few variables
before every project execution. In other words, carefully planning and
backing our moves, and understanding its consequences.
Say the project is NEW FC LOGO (just brainstorming, ok?):
PROJECT VISION: establish a new FC visual identity in accordance with
the Fedora Foundation goals and community aspirations
PROJECT OVERVIEW:
. discuss, vote, and agree upon FC new logo and visual identity
PROJECT GOALS:
. create a new FC logo
. create a new FC visual identity (logo variants)
. establish usage guidelines
PROJECT SCOPE:
. discuss main logo aspects
. produce layouts
. layouts voting by community
. layout final definition by advisory board
. create logo usage guidelines
. promote new FC logo and visual identity worldwide
PROJECT TIMELINE:
. define EXACT DATES for each of the steps outlined in the scope
(this way we have a base schedule for our activities, and avoid "going
backwards"
ACTION PLAN:
. break down each of the scope tasks into smaller and detailed
activities, and again: establish exact dates, considering possible
delays
COMMUNICATION TOOLS:
. outline all communications tools and their purposes within the project
scenario, so all members know how to interact in the project
PROJECT RESOURCES:
. outline all participants and their responsibilities for the project
completion
## COMMITMENT IS KEY!
. also include all other resources to be utilized
PROJECT COSTS:
. better talk to finance geek, not me...but I cannot imagine a
successful project without a defined budget
PROJECTS RISKS:
. nominate all, even the ones with lesser probability to occur, and
study their consequences
. counter actions, contention plans, etc
I didn't get these guidelines out of my mind. They are part of the PMI
(Project Management Institute) courses, world widely known and
recognized.
So, are we changing our approach or continue wondering about the new FC
logo for another semester?
Thanks for listening!
Best,
--
David Barzilay
Red Hat Asia-Pacific
+1
We really need to come up with more formal processes than what we have
in place. Improvement in this area has been slow. We've jumped in to
several different projects without really knowing where we are going.
There are obviously some things we can't predict, and we are doing a bit
of experimentation, but we really need to work on formalizing and
outlining our strategy. I know that waiting for the logo and other
'official' materials and information have put some projects on the
back-burner, but it's time to start moving forward. No more excuses.
The Ambassadors and Mentors programs are started, now we need to get
them moving. We've got the logo now, so we need to start using it.
We've got coordinated efforts coming together for the website and other
things, we need to start producing more content. Everyone should pick
something and exercise some initiative to make it happen. We've got a
lot of talent going to waste, and a lot of projects waiting for that
talent. I realize that many of us are already taking on some new and
interesting projects, so we should try to build these into a framework
to make sure nothing is forgotten about or dropped aside. Anyone else
have any thoughts on how we can better organize our projects into a
structured framework?
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6:16 a.m.
New subject: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:46:11 -0600, "Patrick Barnes" <nman64(a)n-man.com>
said:
We really need to come up with more formal processes than what we
have
in place. Improvement in this area has been slow. We've jumped in to
several different projects without really knowing where we are going.
I think that processes in themselves don't get things done...
Ultimately, things happen when a small group of people have a common
goal, and do whatever tunrs out to be necessary to make it happen. The
processes and infrastructure tend to follow after, e.g there is now a
mailing list for Websites because enough people became committed to the
idea of sorting out Fedora's Web presence.
There are obviously some things we can't predict, and we are
doing a bit
of experimentation, but we really need to work on formalizing and
outlining our strategy.
One way would be start with five or six concrete goals that have
support, and then go from there, e.g. "Have a Fedora presence at every
major Linux event in 2006", or "Hit 10,000 maintained packages in
Extras". What needs to be done then becomes obvious. It almost doesn't
matter if the goals aren't achieved - they provide focus. Example:
GNOME's 10x10. Will GNOME actually have 10% share by 2010 ? Dunno, but
it gives the project specific something to shoot for.
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12:42 p.m.
New subject: FEDORA AMBASSADORS. (Was: Slow actions? Time to move on!)
Kudos to David Barzilay on his impatience about Fedora Marketing efforts.
My comments inline below:
* * *
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Stuart Ellis wrote:
I think that processes in themselves don't get things done...
Ultimately, things happen when a small group of people have a common
goal, and do whatever turns out to be necessary to make it happen. The
processes and infrastructure tend to follow after, e.g there is now a
mailing list for Websites because enough people became committed to the
idea of sorting out Fedora's Web presence.
This is exactly right. PMI ideals are great, but they are secondary.
Leadership comes first. I haven't had much time to participate; I've been
mostly an observer, with some items on my plate, but mostly my focus has
been on other things. That's about to change.
One way would be start with five or six concrete goals that have
support, and then go from there, e.g. "Have a Fedora presence at every
major Linux event in 2006".
I have come to believe that the marketing list, as useful a forum as it is
for exchanging ideas, is not a project, has not been a project, and will
not be a project. If someone wants to step up to lead Fedora Marketing as
a project, I'm happy to be proven wrong. But for now, realistically: it's
a mailing list.
Fedora Ambassadors, on the other hand, has CLEAR AND QUANTIFIABLE GOALS:
* HAVE A PRESENCE AT EVERY LINUX EVENT WORLDWIDE IN 2006. That means:
+ Know where the events are and document them on the wiki.
+ Match up at least one Ambassador to every one of those events.
+ Make sure that every one of those Ambassadors has what they need
to represent Fedora: a good message, DVDs, schwag, signage... and
ideally, in the future, ca$h to make things happen.
* REPRESENT FEDORA LOCALLY. That means:
+ Getting Fedora installed on systems.
+ Going to your local LUG/school/church/whatever and representing
Fedora.
+ Spreading the word about Fedora in ANY WAY YOU SEE FIT.
+ Keeping the other ambassadors up-to-date on your doings.
To further those goals, we need:
* A chair. For now, Alex Maier is it, because she has put together the
past two FUDCons, essentially by herself. If there are disagreements,
join the Ambassadors project, and let's discuss it.
* A steering committee. This should be the group of people who (a)
(a) can meet every week or two, (b) can take action items and
*complete* them, and (c) can attend events and act as the exemplars
of the Ambassador program generally. Therefore: let me announce the
official formation of the Fedora Ambassadors Project Management
Committee. If you want to be part of this committee, please let
Alex know.
* Work items on a standing agenda. What do we need to do *every week*?
Extras and Docs both have this, and have been very successful in
driving these agendas.
* A weekly meeting. Where we hold one another accountable, *every
week*. Extras and Docs both have this, and they've been effective.
Time zone is an issue, particularly for a worldwide ambassador
program. For now, we've got a meeting time, but I think that we
may want to alternate meeting times to suit different geos.
===
So. If this approach makes sense to you, then join the Ambassadors
program RIGHT NOW:
1. SUBSCRIBE!
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list
2. PUT YOUR NAME ON THE WIKI!
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
3. BE AT OUR FIRST IRC MEETING!
WHERE: irc.freenode.net, channel #fedora-mktg.
WHEN: Thursday 17 November. 16:00 UTC, 11:00 Eastern US time.
(Your timezone: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html)
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1:58 p.m.
New subject: FEDORA AMBASSADORS. (Was: Slow actions? Time to move on!)
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:42 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
Kudos to David Barzilay on his impatience about Fedora Marketing
efforts.
That said ...
One cannot be overly impatient with volunteers. It is all well and good
to put forward our best effort, to follow good project management
practices, and the like. But don't forget ...
Grassroots projects are successful without excessive project planning.
They do this creatively and spontaneously.
This is orthogonal to the way military, corporate, and other formal and
professional organizations do it.
The latter works because the human element is buried underneath the
organization structure.
For grassroots efforts, we need to embrace that difference. It is the
nature of our success, and part of what makes us attractive to humans.
What I suggest to David and others who are impatient, stop saying how
impatient you are. Just do something.
For example, it has been in your power all along to form a Brasilian
based mailing list. You've never needed permission. It helps to
discuss with others to agree upon our naming convention, but otherwise,
what is holding you back?
3. BE AT OUR FIRST IRC MEETING!
WHERE: irc.freenode.net, channel #fedora-mktg.
WHEN: Thursday 17 November. 16:00 UTC, 11:00 Eastern US time.
(Your timezone: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html)
According to Alex via f-amb-l, this is actually 24 November, next week,
which is a holiday in the US, during a different time (14:00 UTC).
- Karsten
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