Fedora and Video Sharing

[Nicholas Ozorak]

Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,

My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project.  My
particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
as I already have my own video-web series.  I'm one of five students
who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
distributed online.

I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion.  Based off of
my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
YouTube.  As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.

I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone.  One idea
that I have come up with is:

* Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
Archive and Dailymotion.

* Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
features of Fedora, etc).

* Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.

* Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
to the Account Master(s) for consideration.  If accepted, these videos
would be added to the official channel.

* Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
websites.

I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
who are interested.  I would also be curious to find out what results
previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
what people's opinions are.

I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
professors started discussing it in class.  Once Mel Chua came to
speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
worked, I began to understand.  Having videos that explain the goals
of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.

Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!

Nick

[threethirty]

On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
>
> My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project.  My
> particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> as I already have my own video-web series.  I'm one of five students
> who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> distributed online.

Ahoy Nick, I'm Justin aka threethirty
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Threethirty)
> I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion.  Based off of
> my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> YouTube.  As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
>
> I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone.  One idea
> that I have come up with is:
> Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
>
> Archive and Dailymotion.
> Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
>
> officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> features of Fedora, etc).
>
> Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
>
> Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
>
> Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> to the Account Master(s) for consideration.  If accepted, these videos
> would be added to the official channel.
> Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
>
> having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> websites.
>
> I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> who are interested.  I would also be curious to find out what results
> previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> what people's opinions are.
>
> I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> professors started discussing it in class.  Once Mel Chua came to
> speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> worked, I began to understand.  Having videos that explain the goals
> of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
>
> Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
>
> Nick

There are some concerns [mostly mine, I don't think anyone cares :)] We
should run the TOS by Legal to make sure there is nothing in there that
we (the project) find offensive.  We also need to dig through the FUD on
the licensing for h.264, I remember reading somewhere there that if
there weren't proper licenses all the way through the chain the video
creator could be liable. (Yes I know this sounds like bollocks but we
should have a look at it; better safe than sorry)

The other concern is that we are less than 60 days till a release and we
don't want to take an resources from the main goal.

Nick, if I seem like an overly careful a nutter, that's because I am,
but I'm mostly harmless.

The only thing we have so far. Is the archive.org account.  But we
haven't done anything with it yet.

[Nicu Buculei]

threethirty wrote:
> There are some concerns [mostly mine, I don't think anyone cares :)] We
> should run the TOS by Legal to make sure there is nothing in there that
> we (the project) find offensive.  We also need to dig through the FUD on
> the licensing for h.264, I remember reading somewhere there that if
> there weren't proper licenses all the way through the chain the video
> creator could be liable. (Yes I know this sounds like bollocks but we
> should have a look at it; better safe than sorry)

I don't think h.264 is of concern *now*, AFAIK YouTube still uses h.263 as
default and we will start by using Archive.org/Dailymotion anyway. On top
of that, we will not upload h.264 to YouTube, will let them make the
conversion.
> The other concern is that we are less than 60 days till a release and we
> don't want to take an resources from the main goal.

Well, not everybody works on the release... if someone has the time and
will to get the project running, then more power to them. We that may be
involved in the release, may join the party when we can.

[Ryan Rix]

On Fri 9 April 2010 1:23:23 pm Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
>
> My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project.  My
> particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> as I already have my own video-web series.  I'm one of five students
> who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> distributed online.

Hey Nick!

Thanks for taking this on, it's great to see all of you getting involved!
I enjoy doing videos when I have something to actually say, as rare as 
that is ;) i enjoy editing videos using kdenlive, regardless of whether I 
am in them or not, though. :)
> I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion.  Based off of
> my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> YouTube.  As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
>
> I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone.  One idea
> that I have come up with is:
> Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
>
> Archive and Dailymotion.
> Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
>
> officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> features of Fedora, etc).
>
> Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
>
> Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
>
> Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> to the Account Master(s) for consideration.  If accepted, these videos
> would be added to the official channel.
> Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
>
> having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> websites.

All awesome ideas! YouTube is something that, whether we want to or not, 
simply cannot ignore :/

This isn't something that I brought up in the original discussion in IRC I 
had with Justin O'brien about using blip.tv to host videos, but there is 
something to be said that blip.tv could be used as a central distribution 
hub... here it is lazily spliced together by /me

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rrix/4506860088/sizes/l/

By leveraging this we could take just a little bit of a load off of the 
account managers and lessen the mauled-by-raptors/hit-by-bus factor 
involved with having a single person manage shared accounts. The Freedom 
aspect is definitely something that we want to take thought of though, and 
I think that dual-hosting on archive.org and blip.tv (and all the places 
it distributes to) is a Very Good Thing! Thanks for taking this one, Nick 
and everyone else involved!
> I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> who are interested.  I would also be curious to find out what results
> previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> what people's opinions are.
>
> I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> professors started discussing it in class.  Once Mel Chua came to
> speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> worked, I began to understand.  Having videos that explain the goals
> of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.

Yes, +1! Once we have this infrastructure laid out, these would be some 
awesome videos to help introduce people to Fedora. We may even need 
someone with previous experience in webcasting *hinthint* ;)
> Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
>
> Nick

Ryan

[Nelson Marques]

As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok.
Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.

The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern,
and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the
audience point of view or distribution.

+1.

nm

On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
>
> My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project.  My
> particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> as I already have my own video-web series.  I'm one of five students
> who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> distributed online.
>
> I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion.  Based off of
> my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> YouTube.  As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
>
> I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone.  One idea
> that I have come up with is:
> Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
>
> Archive and Dailymotion.
> Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
>
> officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> features of Fedora, etc).
>
> Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
>
> Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
>
> Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> to the Account Master(s) for consideration.  If accepted, these videos
> would be added to the official channel.
> Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
>
> having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> websites.
>
> I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> who are interested.  I would also be curious to find out what results
> previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> what people's opinions are.
>
> I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> professors started discussing it in class.  Once Mel Chua came to
> speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> worked, I began to understand.  Having videos that explain the goals
> of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
>
> Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
>
> Nick

[wonderer]

Hy there,

@Nick: You facing a problem that we talked some days ago also: How to
manage video distribution for the large crowd out there?! As you can
imagine we not only have ONE actual video of e.g. Fedora12 its more like
having also updated versions of F12, features on special programs, etc.
So, if you want to distribute them over the web for as many people as
you want you also have to promote them. Therefore it is wise to choose a
good platform, but not as important as to tell the people where to find
them (Blogposts, wiki, Websites, Links, articles, etc.).
Another thing would be if you want to distribute a video to as many
people as you want you must put it in as many platforms at the same
time. So you do not have to handle only one account you have to handle
many accounts (also you have to look the user restrictions of have
multiple users to one user account...)... It is not an easy job, I know.
I also think of the other way: YouTube is so big that our videos will
not be much recogniced. When a normal User came to youtube and search
for "fedora" (even if our statement is or should be "Fedoraproject")
there are also videos about "the hat" and sometimes for new people it
can be confusing. On Dailymotion The first hits was about some boxing.
Only at archive.org there where videos back to Fedora Core 4. But thats
only one of many thoughts we have to think over if to make a decision in
that way if we want.

@all
I think more important is the way the platform (if we are not have a
platform for such media as video, audio, photos of ourself) handles the
license we gave and youtube clearly violates so much user restrictions
and loss of freedom that youtube not would be my kind of choice. I would
more go for archive.org and miro. Also because its as far as I know
based on OpenSource and as said before we should use / maintain
Opensource and Opensource based plattforms / standards as much as we
can. And we definitely can ! :-)

But I clearly would NOT propose Youtube as our first choice of
distributing videos.

mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards
Henrik Heigl - [e-mail]

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Am 10.04.2010 16:17, schrieb Nelson Marques:
> As long as the website offers good connectivity worldwide should be ok.
> Youtube should be nice since it has akamai behind also.
>
> The importance of prime channels of distribution should be a concern,
> and Youtube provides the necessary points for it, either from the
> audience point of view or distribution.
>
> +1.
>
> nm
>
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 16:23 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote:
> > Dear Anyone with an interest in video distribution,
> >
> > My name is Nick Ozorak, and I am one of the students from Allegheny
> > College who has just come in to help with the Fedora Project.  My
> > particular field of expertise is in video creation and distribution,
> > as I already have my own video-web series.  I'm one of five students
> > who's looking into the issue of how videos about Fedora can be
> > distributed online.
> >
> > I saw in the archives that there was recently a discussion about
> > Fedora and where videos showcasing the project should be hosted.
> > Internet Archive was mentioned, as well as Dailymotion.  Based off of
> > my experience, both of these websites are decent places to host video,
> > but they don't receive as much traffic as the granddaddy of them all -
> > YouTube.  As a consumer, when I am looking for videos regarding
> > technological developments, YouTube is where I go first.
> >
> > I am aware that some people are uncomfortable with relying on YouTube
> > and Flash, but there may be a solution to satisfy everyone.  One idea
> > that I have come up with is:
> > Set up official Fedora Project accounts on websites like Internet
> >
> > Archive and Dailymotion.
> > Create videos on these accounts to establish them as being
> >
> > officially part of the Fedora Project (welcome videos, tutorials,
> > features of Fedora, etc).
> >
> > Designate people to be official Fedora Project Video Account Managers.
> >
> > Allow other video creators and content developers to showcase their
> >
> > Fedora-related work on the official channel(s) by sending their video
> > to the Account Master(s) for consideration.  If accepted, these videos
> > would be added to the official channel.
> > Open a YouTube account, and ask people if they are comfortable with
> >
> > having their work(s) displayed on YouTube and/or other Flash-based
> > websites.
> >
> > I'd be more than happy to discuss this idea in an IRC chat with those
> > who are interested.  I would also be curious to find out what results
> > previous discussions about this issue have yielded and get a sense of
> > what people's opinions are.
> >
> > I will also add that I had never heard of Fedora before one of my
> > professors started discussing it in class.  Once Mel Chua came to
> > speak with our class and explain how this open-source community
> > worked, I began to understand.  Having videos that explain the goals
> > of the Fedora Project to those who have heard little to nothing about
> > the project would be extremely beneficial with regards to outreach.
> >
> > Thanks for reading, and good luck with preparing for the big release!
> >
> > Nick