6:57 p.m.
http://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/282996-choosing-the-best-linux-distri...
<snip>
To help users discover the Linux distribution that's best for them,
this resource will definitively list the best candidates for the
various types of Linux users to try. The use-case categories will be:
Best Desktop Distribution
Best Laptop Distribution
Best Enterprise Desktop
Best Enterprise Server
Best LiveCD
Best Security-Enhanced Distribution
Best Multimedia Distribution
</snip>
Note: Fedora isn't listed for any of the above.
Would have been interesting to see something like "Best Distro for
Community Participation" or "Best Distro for Engineers".....
5:38 a.m.
Robyn Bergeron schrieb:
http://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/282996-choosing-the-best-linux-distri...
<snip>
To help users discover the Linux distribution that's best for them,
this resource will definitively list the best candidates for the
various types of Linux users to try. The use-case categories will be:
Best Desktop Distribution
Best Laptop Distribution
Best Enterprise Desktop
Best Enterprise Server
Best LiveCD
Best Security-Enhanced Distribution
Best Multimedia Distribution
</snip>
Note: Fedora isn't listed for any of the above.
<Snip> (first paragraph at the Desktop section):
Ubuntu edges out its closest contenders, Fedora
<http://fedoraproject.org/> and openSUSE <http://www.opensuse.org/en/>;,
because its development team is constantly focused on the end-user
experience. Canonical and the Ubuntu community have spent a lot of time
and resources on bringing ease-of-use tools to this distribution,
particularly in the area of installing Ubuntu and installing
applications within Ubuntu.
</snap>
So, maybe we have the opportunity to get (more) in touch with those
editorial staff members. Maybe next time we are the No.1 choosen Distro...
mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards
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5:47 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 05:57:38PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
http://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/282996-choosing-the-best-linux-distri...
<snip>
To help users discover the Linux distribution that's best for them,
this resource will definitively list the best candidates for the
various types of Linux users to try. The use-case categories will be:
Best Desktop Distribution
Best Laptop Distribution
Best Enterprise Desktop
Best Enterprise Server
Best LiveCD
Best Security-Enhanced Distribution
Best Multimedia Distribution
</snip>
Note: Fedora isn't listed for any of the above.
Would have been interesting to see something like "Best Distro for
Community Participation" or "Best Distro for Engineers".....
Since I get different answers for each of these categories, depending
on whose article I'm reading today, are any of these articles truly
useful? Maybe not. But more importantly, why isn't Fedora chosen for
any of these categories? Does the author disclose on what basis each
distro was rated? Were some distros not considered? I have more
questions than answers after reading the article, although at the same
time, I'd be happy to see us more often mentioned in these articles.
I'm thinking about changing distros on my main workstation for a week
or so just to experience what other people think is a clear
differentiation between them.
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5:53 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 05:57:38PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>
http://www.linux.com/learn/docs/ldp/282996-choosing-the-best-linux-distri...
>
> <snip>
> To help users discover the Linux distribution that's best for them,
> this resource will definitively list the best candidates for the
> various types of Linux users to try. The use-case categories will be:
>
> Best Desktop Distribution
> Best Laptop Distribution
> Best Enterprise Desktop
> Best Enterprise Server
> Best LiveCD
> Best Security-Enhanced Distribution
> Best Multimedia Distribution
>
> </snip>
>
> Note: Fedora isn't listed for any of the above.
>
> Would have been interesting to see something like "Best Distro for
> Community Participation" or "Best Distro for Engineers".....
Since I get different answers for each of these categories, depending
on whose article I'm reading today, are any of these articles truly
useful? Maybe not. But more importantly, why isn't Fedora chosen for
any of these categories? Does the author disclose on what basis each
distro was rated? Were some distros not considered? I have more
questions than answers after reading the article, although at the same
time, I'd be happy to see us more often mentioned in these articles.
I'm thinking about changing distros on my main workstation for a week
or so just to experience what other people think is a clear
differentiation between them.
I found this to be useful in the past... (ok when Mandrake was going
to take out Red Hat Linux and Debian was the server OS everyone who
was anyone was using). It usually takes about 2-3 weeks though to be
able to turn off internal filters that people have about something to
see the things that differ and are useful. The best procedure is if
you can get someone to take notes while you are doing this but if you
can note personal bias you can take the notes yourself. Things that
should be noted are:
1) Installation (this is a rare thing and for people buying a
preinstalled somehting they wont run into)
2) Initial user creation and provisioning.
3) Menus and workflow
a) Email
b) Web browsing
c) Document reading
d) Music listening
e) Movie watching
f) Work related activities
etc
in the past it got a lot of ideas of "well that was something we could
do better.. or I have no fing clue why anyone would do that..."
--
Stephen J Smoogen.
Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for?
-- Robert Browning
2:57 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 05:57:38PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> Note: Fedora isn't listed for any of the above.
>
> Would have been interesting to see something like "Best Distro for
> Community Participation" or "Best Distro for Engineers".....
Ah, but the best community participation distro isn't very interesting
for anybody who's not participating. :-) Unfortunately, it's the
finished product that users (and typically reviewers) care about.
Well, actually, not "unfortunately" -- having a great community is
wonderful, but if the finished product is lacking, that's a problem.
Not saying that Fedora is lacking, just saying that "community
participation" is not likely to be interesting to readers who aren't
going to be participating.
Since I get different answers for each of these categories,
depending
on whose article I'm reading today, are any of these articles truly
useful? Maybe not. But more importantly, why isn't Fedora chosen for
any of these categories? Does the author disclose on what basis each
distro was rated? Were some distros not considered? I have more
questions than answers after reading the article, although at the same
time, I'd be happy to see us more often mentioned in these articles.
Depends on what you consider useful. Obviously, it at least has
sparked discussion about the relative merits of the distros amongst
some in the Fedora community, and probably in other distros as well,
and raised awareness of the differences between distros with some
percentage of users... so probably a bit useful.
Having been on all sides of these kinds of reviews (writing them,
assigning/editing them, reading them, and being on the distro end as
well) it's clear that they do have some impact and while it'd be nice
if there were more objective measures that's usually not the case.
These often depend on the very subjective view of the writer and
sometimes personal and political biases as well. If you have a writer
who doesn't like the company or persons involved with a distro, that
sometimes influences things just as much as any technical merits.
But I doubt that's going on here, as I know Brian and he tends to be
as fair and even-handed as they come. It just doesn't look like
Fedora's strengths are in the categories that were chosen for this
piece.
I'm thinking about changing distros on my main workstation for a
week
or so just to experience what other people think is a clear
differentiation between them.
A very good idea. I've been using some of this week to test drive
distros other than openSUSE, including Fedora, on bare metal and in
VMs. It's not something I had a lot of time to do previously, and
wanted to see how other distros had evolved over the last two years.
--
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http://twitter.com/jzb
5:30 p.m.
Well, actually, not "unfortunately" -- having a great
community is
wonderful, but if the finished product is lacking, that's a problem.
Not saying that Fedora is lacking, just saying that "community
participation" is not likely to be interesting to readers who aren't
going to be participating.
+1
> Since I get different answers for each of these categories,
depending
> on whose article I'm reading today, are any of these articles truly
> useful? Maybe not. But more importantly, why isn't Fedora chosen for
> any of these categories? Does the author disclose on what basis each
> distro was rated? Were some distros not considered? I have more
> questions than answers after reading the article, although at the same
> time, I'd be happy to see us more often mentioned in these articles.
These articles are useful, as a reader I can vouch.
Fedora has been considered but the author clearly mentioned what
considerations made his choice.
I would really liked to see Fedora as the Best for Desktop and Laptop.
But sadly it is not currently.
> I'm thinking about changing distros on my main workstation
for a week
> or so just to experience what other people think is a clear
> differentiation between them.
A very good idea. I've been using some of this week to test drive
distros other than openSUSE, including Fedora, on bare metal and in
VMs. It's not something I had a lot of time to do previously, and
wanted to see how other distros had evolved over the last two years.
+1 very good idea.
I have been using Fedora, Ubuntu, openSUSE on my desktop and laptops
for many years, since Red Hat 8 era.
Lately, I spend most of my time in Ubuntu installations. Major reason
for me is stability (don't crash) .
Though Fedora never prioritized "stability" but certain level of
stability is needed to continuously run my laptop at work.
cheers // Imtiaz Rahi
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7:28 a.m.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
<xonker(a)gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Paul W. Frields
<stickster(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 05:57:38PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
>> Note: Fedora isn't listed for any of the above.
>>
>> Would have been interesting to see something like "Best Distro for
>> Community Participation" or "Best Distro for Engineers".....
Ah, but the best community participation distro isn't very interesting
for anybody who's not participating. :-) Unfortunately, it's the
finished product that users (and typically reviewers) care about.
+1 Spot on.
Well, actually, not "unfortunately" -- having a great community is
wonderful, but if the finished product is lacking, that's a problem.
Not saying that Fedora is lacking, just saying that "community
participation" is not likely to be interesting to readers who aren't
going to be participating.
+1
> Since I get different answers for each of these categories,
depending
> on whose article I'm reading today, are any of these articles truly
> useful? Maybe not. But more importantly, why isn't Fedora chosen for
> any of these categories? Does the author disclose on what basis each
> distro was rated? Were some distros not considered? I have more
> questions than answers after reading the article, although at the same
> time, I'd be happy to see us more often mentioned in these articles.
Depends on what you consider useful. Obviously, it at least has
sparked discussion about the relative merits of the distros amongst
some in the Fedora community, and probably in other distros as well,
and raised awareness of the differences between distros with some
percentage of users... so probably a bit useful.
Having been on all sides of these kinds of reviews (writing them,
assigning/editing them, reading them, and being on the distro end as
well) it's clear that they do have some impact and while it'd be nice
if there were more objective measures that's usually not the case.
These often depend on the very subjective view of the writer and
sometimes personal and political biases as well. If you have a writer
who doesn't like the company or persons involved with a distro, that
sometimes influences things just as much as any technical merits.
Yes, we are all humans and to be 100% unbiased is impossible.
But I doubt that's going on here, as I know Brian and he tends to be
as fair and even-handed as they come. It just doesn't look like
Fedora's strengths are in the categories that were chosen for this
piece.
> I'm thinking about changing distros on my main workstation for a week
> or so just to experience what other people think is a clear
> differentiation between them.
A very good idea. I've been using some of this week to test drive
distros other than openSUSE, including Fedora, on bare metal and in
VMs. It's not something I had a lot of time to do previously, and
wanted to see how other distros had evolved over the last two years.
+1 I think this should be something that all concerned parties should do.
From a marketing point of view, you need to know the strengths and
weaknesses of your product in relation to your "competitor's"
One thing that the Fedora Marketing team, as well as, other Fedora community
members can do is to devise a "distro test' when we form a methodology and
criteria for how these distro's are tested. We should be able to identify
Fedora's strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats in comparison to
other distro's we use for this pilot test.
Overall most community members seem to be locked in to one distribution and
take a blind eye and even refuse to hear that any other distro than theirs
is of use. I personally have taken the time to try out all of the major
distro's and see weakness and strengths for all that I have tried.
A lot of the times these articles posted are written as a general guide to
users that have the interest in trying and possibly switching to linux as
their primary os. In addition, from a non-technical standpoint Fedora is a
very developer oriented distro and I have continually tried to explain to
many of those technical people who are heavily involved with Fedora that
sometimes they forget that one has to be a user first before they can be a
contributer/developer.
My 2 cents
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gregory Zysk <gmzysk(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Overall most community members seem to be locked in to one
distribution and
take a blind eye and even refuse to hear that any other distro than theirs
is of use. I personally have taken the time to try out all of the major
distro's and see weakness and strengths for all that I have tried.
A lot of the times these articles posted are written as a general
guide to
users that have the interest in trying and possibly switching to linux as
their primary os. In addition, from a non-technical standpoint Fedora is a
very developer oriented distro and I have continually tried to explain to
many of those technical people who are heavily involved with Fedora that
sometimes they forget that one has to be a user first before they can be a
contributer/developer.
My 2 cents
+1 very much true. Today's users will/may turn to tomorrow's contributor.
Even if they may not turn to direct contributor, they create greater
userbase which should be good for Fedora.
cheers // Imtiaz
2:36 p.m.
On 02/08/2010 12:41 PM, Imtiaz Rahi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gregory
Zysk<gmzysk(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Overall most community members seem to be locked in to one distribution and
> take a blind eye and even refuse to hear that any other distro than theirs
> is of use. I personally have taken the time to try out all of the major
> distro's and see weakness and strengths for all that I have tried.
I'd actually love to see these notes if you have them written up
somewhere - the stories of how various folks in the Fedora community
ended up there (and how Fedora users ended up using Fedora) is something
that would be fascinating to capture for Fedora Insight.
--Mel
7:17 a.m.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Mel Chua <mel(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/08/2010 12:41 PM, Imtiaz Rahi wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gregory Zysk<gmzysk(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>> Overall most community members seem to be locked in to one distribution
and
>> take a blind eye and even refuse to hear that any other distro than
theirs
>> is of use. I personally have taken the time to try out all of the major
>> distro's and see weakness and strengths for all that I have tried.
I'd actually love to see these notes if you have them written up
somewhere - the stories of how various folks in the Fedora community
ended up there (and how Fedora users ended up using Fedora) is something
that would be fascinating to capture for Fedora Insight.
I do not have any notes per say, since I have not done the formal research.
Opinions in the eyes of research are irrelevant, only a non-biased method of
collecting data will yield factual results. So, I was just expressing my
experiences within the Fedora community and what I have also gained by
speaking to other members of other communities. I was also just suggesting a
way that the marketing team could tackle this topic and provide better
exposure to the Fedora community and it's distro :-)
--Mel
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