11:56 a.m.
Hey guys,
It must be the Holidays, I have contacted a dozen or so publishers,
but I am totally not hearing from anyone. Usually these people treat anyone interested
like a ham in the Amazon; with them as the piranha.
Ian Weller wrote:
we can pretty much do anything with the design,
I would like to NOT have to pages with the same layout: one on top, another on bottom,
another on side, another on the other side, maybe another over the photo... each with its
own height or width.
Exactly, we can basically do anything. We can bring web graphics to book-form. We
don't have to use a lot of color; or we can do all color. Color text, pictures,
widgets, borders and shaded areas, superimposed text or thought bubbles on top of the
pictures. And we don't have make it a bound book. We could do a magazine, or bound
magazine sized book. Or think corporate report type book; some of these are artworks, and
of course, executive types are not going to want to look at Xerox copies. The point is
anything you can do on a rectangular computer screen, you can do on a rectangular book
page. Or square, sans the LOVE Book.
A couple of other considerations:
Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do not think we will need them. Under the Book version of
the Copy Right Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go to a
public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be photographers taking
photographs, and you get your picture taken, you do not have a case. And there is always
the quick aural release form, as long as you have a witness.
Captions under photos: When we use a photo we should note the photographer's name and
try to identify the people in the photo if possible. Captions can be small text and could
be something like: A photo by Mairin Duffy, shows Ian Weller, at a recent FUDCON,
explaining the Anaconda Installer to a crowd of enthralled passersby. The more names we
get into the book the more personal it will become for the reader.
Ian mentioned, and something we will have to work out is a way or place for people to
submit their photos and stories. We can set up an on line drop (can we use fpaste for
that?) and then send an announcement to all the Red Hat lists, Open Submission for two
weeks or 300 photos, which ever come first. Someone with expertise will have to handle the
logistics on that. Then those of us listed on the Picture Book wiki ( or any others ), can
each choose our favorites, then meet sometime on #fedora-meeting to hash it out.
Remember, anything I suggest here or anywhere is optional. This should totally be a team
effort with input from everybody
-- w Douglas Berry --
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1:56 a.m.
New subject: Picture Book
Doug Berry wrote:
It must be the Holidays, I have contacted a dozen or so publishers,
but I am totally not hearing from anyone. Usually these people treat anyone interested
like a ham in the Amazon; with them as the piranha.
Yeah, everything is very slow this time of the year.
Ian Weller wrote:
That was me...
we can pretty much do anything with the design,
I would like to NOT have to pages with the same layout: one on top, another on bottom,
another on side, another on the other side, maybe another over the photo... each with its
own height or width.
Exactly, we can basically do anything. We can bring web graphics to book-form. We
don't have to use a lot of color; or we can do all color. Color text, pictures,
widgets, borders and shaded areas, superimposed text or thought bubbles on top of the
pictures. And we don't have make it a bound book. We could do a magazine, or bound
magazine sized book. Or think corporate report type book; some of these are artworks, and
of course, executive types are not going to want to look at Xerox copies. The point is
anything you can do on a rectangular computer screen, you can do on a rectangular book
page. Or square, sans the LOVE Book.
A couple of other considerations:
Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do not think we will need them. Under the Book version of
the Copy Right Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go to a
public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be photographers taking
photographs, and you get your picture taken, you do not have a case. And there is always
the quick aural release form, as long as you have a witness.
I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal.
Captions under photos: When we use a photo we should note the
photographer's name and try to identify the people in the photo if possible. Captions
can be small text and could be something like: A photo by Mairin Duffy, shows Ian Weller,
at a recent FUDCON, explaining the Anaconda Installer to a crowd of enthralled passersby.
The more names we get into the book the more personal it will become for the reader.
And have both stories and captions?
Ian mentioned, and something we will have to work out is a way or
place for people to submit their photos and stories. We can set up an on line drop (can we
use fpaste for that?)
Can't we use the wiki for this?
and then send an announcement to all the Red Hat lists, Open
Submission for two weeks or 300 photos, which ever come first. Someone with expertise will
have to handle the logistics on that. Then those of us listed on the Picture Book wiki (
or any others ), can each choose our favorites, then meet sometime on #fedora-meeting to
hash it out.
Since we may get swamped with a lot of photos, I would be tempted to not
sent it to *all* the lists. However, I would like some more time for
submission, so you have a chance to prepare your photo session. Even
more if it will include some props (stickers, buttons).
--
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7:02 a.m.
New subject: Picture Book
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:56:52AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Doug Berry wrote:
> A couple of other considerations: Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do
> not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy Right
> Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go
> to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be
> photographers taking photographs, and you get your picture taken, you
> do not have a case. And there is always the quick aural release form,
> as long as you have a witness.
I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal.
If you're taking pictures of people specifically for inclusion in a
copyrighted work, as opposed to catching a random person in a
photograph who is not the subject, you do need a release form. There
are examples of release forms all around the web that should suffice.
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7:27 a.m.
New subject: Picture Book
Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:56:52AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Doug Berry wrote:
>> A couple of other considerations: Release forms: I (not a lawyer) do
>> not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy Right
>> Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is: if you go
>> to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed there will be
>> photographers taking photographs, and you get your picture taken, you
>> do not have a case. And there is always the quick aural release form,
>> as long as you have a witness.
> I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal.
If you're taking pictures of people specifically for inclusion in a
copyrighted work, as opposed to catching a random person in a
photograph who is not the subject, you do need a release form. There
are examples of release forms all around the web that should suffice.
OK, since we got an authoritative voice saying we need release forms,
here is something minimal, taken from
http://www.nyip.com/ezine/techtips/model-release.html
=====================================================================
MODEL RELEASE
In exchange for consideration received, I hereby give permission to
[_____your name here_____] to use my name and photographic likeness in
all forms and media for advertising, trade, and any other lawful purposes.
Print Name: _________________________
Signature: _________________________
Date: _________________________
=====================================================================
If we stay away from models under 18, it may be all we need. If people
think it is enough, I can format it in a nice PDF.
Note: we may turn "all forms and media" into "Fedora related forms and
media".
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7:40 a.m.
New subject: Picture Book
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 03:27:11PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:56:52AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>> Doug Berry wrote:
>>> A couple of other considerations: Release forms: I (not a lawyer)
>>> do not think we will need them. Under the Book version of the Copy
>>> Right Laws, there is the Fair Use Exception. One aspect of it is:
>>> if you go to a public event, where it can be reasonably assumed
>>> there will be photographers taking photographs, and you get your
>>> picture taken, you do not have a case. And there is always the
>>> quick aural release form, as long as you have a witness.
>> I think we can abuse Paul here for asking the question to Red Hat legal.
>
> If you're taking pictures of people specifically for inclusion in a
> copyrighted work, as opposed to catching a random person in a
> photograph who is not the subject, you do need a release form. There
> are examples of release forms all around the web that should suffice.
OK, since we got an authoritative voice saying we need release forms,
here is something minimal, taken from
http://www.nyip.com/ezine/techtips/model-release.html
=====================================================================
MODEL RELEASE
In exchange for consideration received, I hereby give permission to
[_____your name here_____] to use my name and photographic likeness in
all forms and media for advertising, trade, and any other lawful
purposes.
Print Name: _________________________
Signature: _________________________
Date: _________________________
=====================================================================
If we stay away from models under 18, it may be all we need. If people
think it is enough, I can format it in a nice PDF.
Note: we may turn "all forms and media" into "Fedora related forms and
media".
In case of a model who's a minor, there are release forms out there
that can be signed by a parent or guardian. I'm pretty sure we have a
few Fedora contributors who have not yet reached the age of majority.
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10:55 a.m.
New subject: Picture Book
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 08:40:46AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 03:27:11PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> MODEL RELEASE
>
> In exchange for consideration received, I hereby give permission to
> [_____your name here_____] to use my name and photographic likeness in
> all forms and media for advertising, trade, and any other lawful
> purposes.
>
> Print Name: _________________________
>
> Signature: _________________________
>
> Date: _________________________
> =====================================================================
>
> If we stay away from models under 18, it may be all we need. If people
> think it is enough, I can format it in a nice PDF.
>
> Note: we may turn "all forms and media" into "Fedora related forms
and
> media".
In case of a model who's a minor, there are release forms out there
that can be signed by a parent or guardian. I'm pretty sure we have a
few Fedora contributors who have not yet reached the age of majority.
Hi! At the TV station here there's just an extra blank for a parent's
signature.
http://mediaserver.salnet.org/forms_and_docs/Appearance_Release.pdf
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6 p.m.
New subject: Picture Book
Ian mentioned, and something we will have to work out is a way or place
> for people to submit their photos and stories. We can set up an on line drop
> (can we use fpaste for that?)
>
Can't we use the wiki for this?
Since we are expecting a large number of replies, a dedicated submission
form just for this project will be way more streamlined for both submitters
and editors. And as a bonus, we can also roll in validation to help ensure
submissions include all the necessary information. There is some software
already available, but I haven't found anything F/OSS (but I'm asking
around). Even a google docs form would help a ton (but user would be
responsible for hosting his / her submission and submitting a URL).
and then send an announcement to all the Red Hat lists, Open Submission
> for two weeks or 300 photos, which ever come first. Someone with expertise
> will have to handle the logistics on that. Then those of us listed on the
> Picture Book wiki ( or any others ), can each choose our favorites, then
> meet sometime on #fedora-meeting to hash it out.
>
Since we may get swamped with a lot of photos, I would be tempted to not
sent it to *all* the lists. However, I would like some more time for
submission, so you have a chance to prepare your photo session. Even more if
it will include some props (stickers, buttons).
Agreed regarding timing. We should focus on quality of responses, not
quantity. Is there any major event next year where we could "launch" the
published book (and therefore count back the schedule from then)?
Preferrably something that a lot of people in the book would be attending,
and that gives us the opportunity for some fun launch contests. Maybe
something like where the person who gets the most autographs from other
people in the book wins a prize, but people in the book can make others earn
their signature by solving riddles / hacking challenges / donating to $cause
/ etc.
Another thing I wanted to throw in here while I've got some time to think
about it...for this book to have any impact outside of the Ambassadors
included in it, we should start thinking about how to use the book to
generate buzz OUTSIDE of the Fedora community. Otherwise, from a marketing
aspect, this book will just be preaching to the choir. =] As someone new
to the marketing team, I'm not sure who Fedora is most interested in
targeting...linux users who use other distros, non F/OSS users, or
developers to contribute to the project. The book can engage all three, but
we'll definitely need different strategies to reach each type of user.
(Note: This is the kind of conversations I'm most interested in having with
more experienced Ambassadors if I can make it to FUDCon.)
--
Lisa Brewster
http://www.sophistechate.com
1:12 a.m.
New subject: Picture Book
Lisa Brewster wrote:
Since we are expecting a large number of replies, a dedicated submission
form just for this project will be way more streamlined for both
submitters and editors. And as a bonus, we can also roll in validation
to help ensure submissions include all the necessary information. There
And hook it with our account system to ensure submitter identity and CLA?
is some software already available, but I haven't found anything
F/OSS
(but I'm asking around). Even a google docs form would help a ton (but
user would be responsible for hosting his / her submission and
submitting a URL).
I don't think a Google Docs form is better than a wiki page
Agreed regarding timing. We should focus on quality of responses,
not
quantity. Is there any major event next year where we could "launch"
the published book (and therefore count back the schedule from then)?
Preferrably something that a lot of people in the book would be
attending, and that gives us the opportunity for some fun launch
contests. Maybe something like where the person who gets the most
autographs from other people in the book wins a prize, but people in the
book can make others earn their signature by solving riddles / hacking
challenges / donating to $cause / etc.
This sounds like a FUDCon... there should be a FUDCon in the US this
summer and maybe we will have one in Europe again.
Another thing I wanted to throw in here while I've got some time
to
think about it...for this book to have any impact outside of the
Ambassadors included in it, we should start thinking about how to use
the book to generate buzz OUTSIDE of the Fedora community. Otherwise,
from a marketing aspect, this book will just be preaching to the choir.
=] As someone new to the marketing team, I'm not sure who Fedora is
most interested in targeting...linux users who use other distros, non
F/OSS users, or developers to contribute to the project. The book can
engage all three, but we'll definitely need different strategies to
reach each type of user. (Note: This is the kind of conversations I'm
most interested in having with more experienced Ambassadors if I can
make it to FUDCon.)
Generally Fedora targets potential contributors. Not developers
exclusively, but people who would join the project and contribute in
some way (code, packaging, documentation, artwork, infrastructure).
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