So here's the meat of the argument:
On the one hand, you want to recognize people. Why? * To thank them for their achievements. * To hold them up to the world as exemplary. * To encourage others to follow their example.
But on the other hand, such recognition is inherently exclusionary -- because some achieve, and some don't.
The letterman's jacket is, I see clearly now, too highly charged for too many people. I liked the idea because of the "geeks inherit the earth" message, all the way down to the letterman jackets, but I see clearly that it's too easily misinterpreted, and as much as I'd like to disagree, I can't.
Still, I think that the notion of pins/letters/merit badges/etc. is a good one, and I would argue that it *should* be exclusionary. Either you earned it, or you didn't.
So maybe just the pins, awarded for excellence. Wear them on your Fedora ballcap brim, or your T-shirt, or hanging from your pierced left nipple. How does that idea feel to people? A bit less ugly-clique-ish?
***
As an aside: to me, this is the real value of this group -- discussing ideas like this. Figuring out "all of the messaging behind Fedora" is a strategic problem that will take time to figure out. But working out tactical questions like "better schwag" and "names for FC5" and "fund-raising activities" is an ideal use of this group's time, IMHO.
So thanks for all of your helpful input. Thanks even to Seth for the public ass-whipping. :)
--g
_____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan
On 6/28/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
So maybe just the pins, awarded for excellence. Wear them on your Fedora ballcap brim, or your T-shirt, or hanging from your pierced left nipple. How does that idea feel to people? A bit less ugly-clique-ish?
As long as each pin or merit badge comes with defense and attacks statistics... so you can use them to battle against other fedora contributors at conferences or bars.
Or, if the badges and pins have to be collected to unlock the secret gps co-ordinates of the Fedora Core Steering Committee Conference Room.
-jef
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
As long as each pin or merit badge comes with defense and attacks statistics... so you can use them to battle against other fedora contributors at conferences or bars.
If I say that this is a brilliant idea, does that make me a sad, sad human being?
Hey, let's all play a big game of Fedora: The Gathering!
--g
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On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 13:27 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
As long as each pin or merit badge comes with defense and attacks statistics... so you can use them to battle against other fedora contributors at conferences or bars.
If I say that this is a brilliant idea, does that make me a sad, sad human being?
No, that's not what makes you a sad, sad human being..
:-D
-sv
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 11:22 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
So maybe just the pins, awarded for excellence. Wear them on your Fedora ballcap brim, or your T-shirt, or hanging from your pierced left nipple. How does that idea feel to people? A bit less ugly-clique-ish?
Here is an idea. Contributers get red felt Fedoras that are currently available.
Each distribution they participate in earns them a new rather decent (not crappy) looking versioned pin for the (rawhide) band on the fedora. Specific project leaders get a specific pin as well, like a big 'Extras' pin for Seth and such.
Red Fedoras are rather noticeable in a crowd, and there is no mistaking what project you come from, and then the pins have a certain reference and meaning.
Thoughts?
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Jesse Keating wrote:
Here is an idea. Contributers get red felt Fedoras that are currently available.
Each distribution they participate in earns them a new rather decent (not crappy) looking versioned pin for the (rawhide) band on the fedora. Specific project leaders get a specific pin as well, like a big 'Extras' pin for Seth and such.
Red Fedoras are rather noticeable in a crowd, and there is no mistaking what project you come from, and then the pins have a certain reference and meaning.
Thoughts?
Will people object to the red hat? Or do people crave that red hat?
--g
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Red Hat's are cool of course ;-) but I would prefer having Fedora having its own branding
I'd love to make it a blue fedora, myself. But that idea continues to go over like a fart in church.
--g
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On 6/28/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
I'd love to make it a blue fedora, myself. But that idea continues to go over like a fart in church.
Give me a list of people who need "convincing", and I'll send my uncle Nikko over for a re-education session.
-jef
On 6/28/05, Jesse Keating jkeating@j2solutions.net wrote:
Here is an idea. Contributers get red felt Fedoras that are currently available.
I'm not particularly excited about 'officially' reusing those "red" hats since they have been used previously for other promotional endeavors. I'm also not sure how much of an upfront cost issuing every contributor a hat or anything else is going to end up being.
Of course if you mean each contributor is free to get their own hat of whatever color and shape and this is just a suggestion as to which hat each person should prefer getting for themselves... instead of trying to issue each contributor a hat in an official way,then no problem.
-jef"off to get his Imperial Star Destroyer bridge uniform out of the closet and replace the plastic colored bars with Fedora merit pins"spaleta
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 09:13 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
So maybe just the pins, awarded for excellence. Wear them on your Fedora ballcap brim, or your T-shirt, or hanging from your pierced left nipple. How does that idea feel to people? A bit less ugly-clique-ish?
Here is an idea. Contributers get red felt Fedoras that are currently available.
Define contributors ? Those fedoras aren't cheap
Red Fedoras are rather noticeable in a crowd, and there is no mistaking what project you come from, and then the pins have a certain reference and meaning.
True, but they also get airport security to look at you funny, and on occassion it doens't really look smart (okay, it'd be smarter to pack it in checked luggage)
Thoughts?
I'm pimpin in the black trenchcoat and red fedora ;-)
The letterman's jacket is...too highly charged...[but] I would argue that it *should* be exclusionary.
If that's a correct paraphrase, then I agree with you, Greg. Something original, such as a pin or badge, is a classy idea. Especially when associated with some level of excellence or skill that has proved to benefit Fedora. In that case, in/exclusion (maybe a better word is distinction) is positive.
Wear them on your Fedora ballcap brim...
Maybe first you get the special cap, then the first award pin, second award pin, and so on. Then we get that merit badge feel, without the politics. If people want to involve their nipples, that's their call. :-P
MPF
Wear them on your Fedora ballcap brim...
Maybe first you get the special cap, then the first award pin, second award pin, and so on. Then we get that merit badge feel, without the politics. If people want to involve their nipples, that's their call. :-P
My suggestions for recognizing people that contribute: - send them an email - a personal email thanking them for their contribution. - see about bringing them along to a conference - make them feel like they aren't "outside" of the process.
Then you'll recognize the fedora contributors b/c they're the people responding to emails on lists and checking in packages and code. They're the ones who are excited and pleased to be involved.
That's how you'll recognize them, that's how they'll stand out in a crowd. :)
-sv
- send them an email - a personal email thanking them for their
contribution.
+1. I see this happen from time to time in other groups.
- see about bringing them along to a conference
Unlikely. I'll leave it at that.
- make them feel like they aren't "outside" of the process.
Intangible, but I agree nonetheless.
MPF
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 11:22 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
As an aside: to me, this is the real value of this group -- discussing ideas like this. Figuring out "all of the messaging behind Fedora" is a strategic problem that will take time to figure out. But working out tactical questions like "better schwag" and "names for FC5" and "fund-raising activities" is an ideal use of this group's time, IMHO.
... and how to get a logo :)
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
Jeremy
On 6/28/05, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
... and how to get a logo :)
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
You want a logo? YOU WANT A LOGO!?! I got your logo right HERE!
http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Scapegoat.png
-jef"i'm going to remove inkscape from my system now... to avoid causing any further harm "spaleta
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
... and how to get a logo :)
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
You want a logo? YOU WANT A LOGO!?! I got your logo right HERE!
http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Scapegoat.png
-jef"i'm going to remove inkscape from my system now... to avoid causing any further harm "spaleta
Thats it. Thats exactly what I wanted. Maybe we should threaten people about making this official to provide them incentives to do a "better" one
regards Rahul
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 02:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
... and how to get a logo :)
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
You want a logo? YOU WANT A LOGO!?! I got your logo right HERE!
http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Scapegoat.png
-jef"i'm going to remove inkscape from my system now... to avoid causing any further harm "spaleta
Thats it. Thats exactly what I wanted. Maybe we should threaten people about making this official to provide them incentives to do a "better" one
I can put it up on the front of fedoraproject.org :) Would that be a threat?
Maybe I'll make it my signature and send html-only mail :)
-sv
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 17:27 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
Maybe I'll make it my signature and send html-only mail :)
// /..\ / __/--------/ ()/ /\ /\ / \ / \
Good idea. No need to use HTML, though.
I'm glad that, after several failed attempts, I can finally contribute something concrete to the Fedora Project. (I think I still need to work on the hat a bit.)
-- Chris Negus
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
You want a logo? YOU WANT A LOGO!?! I got your logo right HERE!
Do you mind if I try to join the joke? http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/goat.png or http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/goat_blue.png
-jef"i'm going to remove inkscape from my system now... to avoid causing any further harm "spaleta
On 6/29/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Do you mind if I try to join the joke?
I've added crucially important details to the orignal scapegoat image. Not all the way where I want it to be.. but close. I'd like to replace the yellow,orange,red scheme with a blue scheme before anyone who has been begging me for t-shirts gets to re-produce this... but I can't seem to find a set of blues that really looks as good as the orange-ish colors.
-jef"new scapegoat! Now with anus!"spaleta
Jeremy Katz wrote:
... and how to get a logo :)
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
Indeed, I toyed with the idea of creating some web banners, but without a cool logo is hard to not make them boring: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/
On 6/28/05, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
Joke mascots aside..... people like to complain about a lack of a logo.. but nobody is making a serious attempt at either creating a set of design contraints as to what any contributing artist is suppose to be aiming for or contributing potential artwork for feedback.
Scapegoat was my small technical nuke attempt at jump starting CONSTRUCTIVE discussion about wtf a logo is actually suppose to look like for this project. At the very least i expected to see discussion about "scapegoat can't work as a logo.. its too busy for a baseball cap or small graphic sizes"
A logo would be nice.. but until the people who are complaining about a lack of one actually pony up some reasonable discussion as to the design to guide any artists.. its absolutely POINTLESS to talk about it like its something important to get done. So from now on. I expect anyone who wants to bring up the subject to aim their comments at either specific design points to shoot for... or offering up drafts of a logo for review. If i see another "a logo would be good post" without constructive comment to move the discussion forward.. I will be doing the mailinglist equivalent of ripping out your spleen.
So on that note... here is my somewhat less humorous attempt at a draft for a reusable logo. http://jef.is-a-geek.com/path3079.png http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Fedora-Logos.png the idea being a re-usable style motif, the path3079.png is more stylized example of where i think this can go. Its rough, but the sytle i'm going for here is meant to feel like a blowing flag effect. The bottom of the letters are pretty close to the effect I'm going for but I need to continue that upward into the top of the letters.
The idea is you can interchange the C for Core the E for extras the L for legacy the F for foundation. While keeping the first F nearly the same. Should work well on paper materials or even a letterman jacket. I'm not sure if this design has space for cross-branding. Scapegoat on the other hand... has lots of room for crossbranding via another earring.
Clearly people already have "blue" associated with fedora. The C is red because well... Core is Red hat controlled. Legacy has a green thing going on already. And Extras.. i have no idea wtf to do about extras coloring scheming so its a place holder for now.
-jef"desperately hoping a serious artist makes an attempt at appeasing the people who wont shutup about needing a logo"spaleta
We should outline the rules as you say, and then have an open contest. Maybe even a $$ prize. Conversely, Greg could work with RH's stellar design team to deliver something within whatever guidelines we agree on. The Shadowman cost what, $500?
In any case, as a stab at some rules/guidelines:
-no Red Hat derivatives (hard to get blessed, harder to differentiate for users) -Fedora blue (needs a published Pantone, RGB and Hex) -I like the goat, but I'm twisted, I'd vote against avatars/mascots in general -very close to being a non-brand (e.g. the less elements there are in it, the less usage guidelines we need) -keep the name[tm] and logo[tm] seperate from the lookfeel[tm] (e.g. don't make people have to hire a lawyer and designer just to legally debrand or rebrand it for spin offs) -should evoke the spirit of the product/project somehow (fast moving, free, maverick, etc)
And/or whatever RH marketing and legal have to say on the matter.
All that said, I like where your FC, FL text based logos are heading. Simple. Or if we like the goat, a more stylized goat. Or a stylized Kudzu leaf, or a photo of Seth's birthmark which is shaped like Greenland.
Or whatever, it's better in the abstract since it will have whatever meaning we infuse it with, so it doesn't matter if it's as perfect as the Nike swoop, b/c that *became* the perfect logo for them.
--jeremy
On 6/30/05, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
Joke mascots aside..... people like to complain about a lack of a logo.. but nobody is making a serious attempt at either creating a set of design contraints as to what any contributing artist is suppose to be aiming for or contributing potential artwork for feedback.
Scapegoat was my small technical nuke attempt at jump starting CONSTRUCTIVE discussion about wtf a logo is actually suppose to look like for this project. At the very least i expected to see discussion about "scapegoat can't work as a logo.. its too busy for a baseball cap or small graphic sizes"
A logo would be nice.. but until the people who are complaining about a lack of one actually pony up some reasonable discussion as to the design to guide any artists.. its absolutely POINTLESS to talk about it like its something important to get done. So from now on. I expect anyone who wants to bring up the subject to aim their comments at either specific design points to shoot for... or offering up drafts of a logo for review. If i see another "a logo would be good post" without constructive comment to move the discussion forward.. I will be doing the mailinglist equivalent of ripping out your spleen.
So on that note... here is my somewhat less humorous attempt at a draft for a reusable logo. http://jef.is-a-geek.com/path3079.png http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Fedora-Logos.png the idea being a re-usable style motif, the path3079.png is more stylized example of where i think this can go. Its rough, but the sytle i'm going for here is meant to feel like a blowing flag effect. The bottom of the letters are pretty close to the effect I'm going for but I need to continue that upward into the top of the letters.
The idea is you can interchange the C for Core the E for extras the L for legacy the F for foundation. While keeping the first F nearly the same. Should work well on paper materials or even a letterman jacket. I'm not sure if this design has space for cross-branding. Scapegoat on the other hand... has lots of room for crossbranding via another earring.
Clearly people already have "blue" associated with fedora. The C is red because well... Core is Red hat controlled. Legacy has a green thing going on already. And Extras.. i have no idea wtf to do about extras coloring scheming so its a place holder for now.
-jef"desperately hoping a serious artist makes an attempt at appeasing the people who wont shutup about needing a logo"spaleta
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My take:
The project is called fedora.
The project needs a fedora.
I'm fighting for a fedora.
I'll get back to you.
--g
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Jeremy Hogan wrote:
We should outline the rules as you say, and then have an open contest. Maybe even a $$ prize. Conversely, Greg could work with RH's stellar design team to deliver something within whatever guidelines we agree on. The Shadowman cost what, $500?
In any case, as a stab at some rules/guidelines:
-no Red Hat derivatives (hard to get blessed, harder to differentiate for users) -Fedora blue (needs a published Pantone, RGB and Hex) -I like the goat, but I'm twisted, I'd vote against avatars/mascots in general -very close to being a non-brand (e.g. the less elements there are in it, the less usage guidelines we need) -keep the name[tm] and logo[tm] seperate from the lookfeel[tm] (e.g. don't make people have to hire a lawyer and designer just to legally debrand or rebrand it for spin offs) -should evoke the spirit of the product/project somehow (fast moving, free, maverick, etc)
And/or whatever RH marketing and legal have to say on the matter.
All that said, I like where your FC, FL text based logos are heading. Simple. Or if we like the goat, a more stylized goat. Or a stylized Kudzu leaf, or a photo of Seth's birthmark which is shaped like Greenland.
Or whatever, it's better in the abstract since it will have whatever meaning we infuse it with, so it doesn't matter if it's as perfect as the Nike swoop, b/c that *became* the perfect logo for them.
--jeremy
On 6/30/05, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/28/05, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
Come on, how can we do cool pins without a logo?
Joke mascots aside..... people like to complain about a lack of a logo.. but nobody is making a serious attempt at either creating a set of design contraints as to what any contributing artist is suppose to be aiming for or contributing potential artwork for feedback.
Scapegoat was my small technical nuke attempt at jump starting CONSTRUCTIVE discussion about wtf a logo is actually suppose to look like for this project. At the very least i expected to see discussion about "scapegoat can't work as a logo.. its too busy for a baseball cap or small graphic sizes"
A logo would be nice.. but until the people who are complaining about a lack of one actually pony up some reasonable discussion as to the design to guide any artists.. its absolutely POINTLESS to talk about it like its something important to get done. So from now on. I expect anyone who wants to bring up the subject to aim their comments at either specific design points to shoot for... or offering up drafts of a logo for review. If i see another "a logo would be good post" without constructive comment to move the discussion forward.. I will be doing the mailinglist equivalent of ripping out your spleen.
So on that note... here is my somewhat less humorous attempt at a draft for a reusable logo. http://jef.is-a-geek.com/path3079.png http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Fedora-Logos.png the idea being a re-usable style motif, the path3079.png is more stylized example of where i think this can go. Its rough, but the sytle i'm going for here is meant to feel like a blowing flag effect. The bottom of the letters are pretty close to the effect I'm going for but I need to continue that upward into the top of the letters.
The idea is you can interchange the C for Core the E for extras the L for legacy the F for foundation. While keeping the first F nearly the same. Should work well on paper materials or even a letterman jacket. I'm not sure if this design has space for cross-branding. Scapegoat on the other hand... has lots of room for crossbranding via another earring.
Clearly people already have "blue" associated with fedora. The C is red because well... Core is Red hat controlled. Legacy has a green thing going on already. And Extras.. i have no idea wtf to do about extras coloring scheming so its a place holder for now.
-jef"desperately hoping a serious artist makes an attempt at appeasing the people who wont shutup about needing a logo"spaleta
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On 6/30/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
My take...fedora...fedora...fedora.
I agree. While Jeremy's comments make *a lot* of sense, when I picture the Fedora fedora, I think about it's connection to Red Hat, but also it's distinct difference. It's akin to auto designers' notion of "DNA." Here's my mental picture made png: http://mattfrye.net/fedora_mpf.png
MPF
On 6/30/05, Matt Frye mattfrye@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. While Jeremy's comments make *a lot* of sense, when I picture the Fedora fedora, I think about it's connection to Red Hat, but also it's distinct difference. It's akin to auto designers' notion of "DNA." Here's my mental picture made png: http://mattfrye.net/fedora_mpf.png
Ah.. but how do you work in the subcomponent differences in the bare "hat"? Certainly Fedora Legacy would like to use the base logo but be able to add something to it to denote "legacy" at a glance. The same with Extras or Core or even differentiating the foundation from the distribution.
-jef
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:22 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Ah.. but how do you work in the subcomponent differences in the bare "hat"? Certainly Fedora Legacy would like to use the base logo but be able to add something to it to denote "legacy" at a glance. The same with Extras or Core or even differentiating the foundation from the distribution.
Different "Press" like cards tucked into the band?
On 6/30/05, Jesse Keating jkeating@j2solutions.net wrote:
Different "Press" like cards tucked into the band?
for large format that could work... but small icons.... if you are relying on more than one letter it gets really busy really fast. Even one letter becomes hard to see and just makes the icon look busy if the letter is relatively small compared to the overall design... at icon sizes.
color coded bans on the brin? Always with a majority of the Fedora blue... but with additional color stripes or checks for subcomponents?
-jef
My brief fight for the hat ended abruptly when I ran into Matthew in the hall. And he said "no hat." Therefore, no hat. :)
I therefore officially open the floodgates for CRACKPOT IDEAS. No logo idea too insane!
As for giving the winner $500, I hardly think it's necessary, given the number of people who give me their crackpot ideas for free.
--g
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:22 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Ah.. but how do you work in the subcomponent differences in the bare "hat"? Certainly Fedora Legacy would like to use the base logo but be able to add something to it to denote "legacy" at a glance. The same with Extras or Core or even differentiating the foundation from the distribution.
Different "Press" like cards tucked into the band?
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On 6/30/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
My brief fight for the hat ended abruptly when I ran into Matthew in the hall. And he said "no hat." Therefore, no hat. :)
Does "no hat" mean "no fedora," or "no kind of hat?" That seems a little unreasonable.
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:50 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
My brief fight for the hat ended abruptly when I ran into Matthew in the hall. And he said "no hat." Therefore, no hat. :)
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
-sv
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
That's what I am thinking. But what sense does it make to have a project named for a hat, but not be allowed to illustrate said hat. We might as well call it "The Swim Trunks Project."
MPF
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:08 -0400, Matt Frye wrote:
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
That's what I am thinking. But what sense does it make to have a project named for a hat, but not be allowed to illustrate said hat. We might as well call it "The Swim Trunks Project."
I think a logo that has a number of characters and the placement of the characters describe the shape of a hat in their positioning. So the hat exists in the blank space left by the other characters of the logo!
or maybe I'm kinda wonko
-sv
On 6/30/05, seth vidal skvidal@phy.duke.edu wrote:
I think a logo that has a number of characters and the placement of the characters describe the shape of a hat in their positioning. So the hat exists in the blank space left by the other characters of the logo!
or maybe I'm kinda wonko
Please don't mix subjects, start a new thread to discussion your wonkiness. I think I could probably come up with an abstract representation of "shapes" that allowed for exactly the blank space effect you describe.
-jef"Hi ho Inkscape! Away!"spaleta
On 6/30/05, seth vidal skvidal@phy.duke.edu wrote:
I think a logo that has a number of characters and the placement of the characters describe the shape of a hat in their positioning. So the hat exists in the blank space left by the other characters of the logo!
http://jef.is-a-geek.com/blank-hat.png
can you see the hat in the blank space in there? Very rough. I could probably abstract the bounding shapes a lot better so they are each individually a little more pleasant to look at. It will however be extreme hard to do this sort of thing with detailed "characters" and still have it look reasonable at icon sizes.
But the basic question for Greg is... is the hat from blank space acceptable?
-jef
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:46 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 6/30/05, seth vidal skvidal@phy.duke.edu wrote:
I think a logo that has a number of characters and the placement of the characters describe the shape of a hat in their positioning. So the hat exists in the blank space left by the other characters of the logo!
http://jef.is-a-geek.com/blank-hat.png
can you see the hat in the blank space in there? Very rough. I could probably abstract the bounding shapes a lot better so they are each individually a little more pleasant to look at. It will however be extreme hard to do this sort of thing with detailed "characters" and still have it look reasonable at icon sizes.
But the basic question for Greg is... is the hat from blank space acceptable?
I'm pretty sure you just drew the gateway computer logo.
-sv
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:46 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
http://jef.is-a-geek.com/blank-hat.png
can you see the hat in the blank space in there?
I would have to drink a lot more in order to see the hat in there. The problem with a angled view of a hat is that there isn't enough negative space to represent the shape in an easy manner. An angled view has too much shading and other distinguishable elements inside the positive space to represent the image.
On 6/30/05, Jesse Keating jkeating@j2solutions.net wrote:
I would have to drink a lot more in order to see the hat in there.
And I think... thats exactly the line that designates a "hat" from the impression of a hat. If its obviously a hat.. I'm pretty sure we can't get away with it.
Or to put it another way. I think we need to "fool" whomever Greg has to get internal okay from. Which means at a minimum.. at quick glance..on a white background.. they don't see a hat. Of course, seeing a gateway logo isn't going to cut it for obvious other reasons.
-jef
I love the idea of putting a hat in negative space.
Like a fedora inside the O of a type treatment.
--g
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, seth vidal wrote:
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:08 -0400, Matt Frye wrote:
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
That's what I am thinking. But what sense does it make to have a project named for a hat, but not be allowed to illustrate said hat. We might as well call it "The Swim Trunks Project."
I think a logo that has a number of characters and the placement of the characters describe the shape of a hat in their positioning. So the hat exists in the blank space left by the other characters of the logo!
or maybe I'm kinda wonko
-sv
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On 6/30/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
I love the idea of putting a hat in negative space.
You also loved the idea of an actual blue fedora....... I just want to know if its worth perusing. Which means you get to ambush someone in the hall again.
-jef
Matt Frye wrote:
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
That's what I am thinking. But what sense does it make to have a project named for a hat, but not be allowed to illustrate said hat. We might as well call it "The Swim Trunks Project."
MPF
huh, when did legal stuff ever make sense to J.Random person. why should this one be any different?. let it pass along with the flow
regards Rahul
On 6/30/05, Matt Frye mattfrye@gmail.com wrote:
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
That's what I am thinking. But what sense does it make to have a project named for a hat, but not be allowed to illustrate said hat. We might as well call it "The Swim Trunks Project."
Let's change the project name to "comb over".
--jeremy
Am Donnerstag, den 30.06.2005, 16:08 -0400 schrieb Matt Frye:
so the project is named fedora - but no hats in the logo.
/me thinks being suggestive of a hat like a hatbox - or a giant hatpin might be a bit too subtle :)
That's what I am thinking. But what sense does it make to have a project named for a hat, but not be allowed to illustrate said hat. We might as well call it "The Swim Trunks Project."
Well I think many people outside the US (like me) would never had combined the name Fedora wit a hat. In Europe the hat is called trilby. So this is not really a global name.
see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora
for more meanings.
On 6/30/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
As for giving the winner $500, I hardly think it's necessary, given the number of people who give me their crackpot ideas for free.
GET OFF YER WALLET YOU RICH BASTARD!
Actually, the money would be for the winning design, not the crackpot idea itself. Unless we know of some decent design folk involved in Fedora already, we may have to bait them into it (maybe with something other than cash.)
--jeremy
Ah.. but how do you work in the subcomponent differences in the bare "hat"? Certainly Fedora Legacy would like to use the base logo but be able to add something to it to denote "legacy" at a glance. The same with
Lots of patches? :)
On 6/30/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
My take: The project is called fedora. The project needs a fedora. I'm fighting for a fedora. I'll get back to you.
The obvious choice.. is always sooooo boring.
-jef"is thankful he doesn't have to attempt to translate the name mandriva into a logo"spaleta
On 6/30/05, Jeremy Hogan jeremy.hogan@gmail.com wrote:
We should outline the rules as you say, and then have an open contest. Maybe even a $$ prize. Conversely, Greg could work with RH's stellar design team to deliver something within whatever guidelines we agree on. The Shadowman cost what, $500?
Personally... i'd rather see.. "community".. make a stab at roughing out a design concept before handing it off to paid professionals to polish up. I definitely don't want to see something magically appear completely formed as a paid work. I'd much rather see this "community" come to an agreement first on a crappy unprofessional draft of a concept and then let the professionals clean it up with artistic skill.
So everyone break out the napkins and the crayons. Draw some crap, scan it into a scanner and post the results with an explanation as to what themes you are trying to touch on with the design.
-jef
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
So on that note... here is my somewhat less humorous attempt at a draft for a reusable logo. http://jef.is-a-geek.com/path3079.png http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Fedora-Logos.png
this is something drawn about one year ago: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fedora_logo_hat.png
I propose a wiki page where anybody can add his logo ideas (drawings)
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
this is something drawn about one year ago: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fedora_logo_hat.png
Sadly, its been deemed that anything with a hat is going to be unacceptable. We need to get a bit more abstract.
My suggestion is we have some sort of brainstorming excersize where all we do is come up with a bunch of words or phrases that describe fedora the project, and then go back and try to sketch out an icon to match something in that word/concept association list. Without some sort of new focus, we are going to keep circling around "hats" because its just too damn obvious.
-jef
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
this is something drawn about one year ago: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fedora_logo_hat.png
Sadly, its been deemed that anything with a hat is going to be unacceptable. We need to get a bit more abstract.
I understand the reasoning for "no hat" (this does not means I agree) but this have not stopped me to try a different hat, a more abstract one: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/simple_hat.png
My suggestion is we have some sort of brainstorming excersize where all we do is come up with a bunch of words or phrases that describe fedora the project, and then go back and try to sketch out an icon to match something in that word/concept association list. Without some sort of new focus, we are going to keep circling around "hats" because its just too damn obvious.
Well, no hat, no mascot, no fun. I believe a logo should be fun, something people will *want* to put on their wallpaper, t-shirt, cap etc. I expect if the official logo will not be fun enough (like the actual http://fedora.redhat.com/images/header-fedora_logo.png) people will just use some alternative ones, which they will consider fun enough (for example I know of some uses of my alternate hats - the ones published at http://openclipart.org/cgi-bin/navigate/people/clothing/hats )
I am pretty bad at English so I guess I will wait for such a description of the project to be done and see if I find something fun in it.
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
--g
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
this is something drawn about one year ago: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fedora_logo_hat.png
Sadly, its been deemed that anything with a hat is going to be unacceptable. We need to get a bit more abstract.
I understand the reasoning for "no hat" (this does not means I agree) but this have not stopped me to try a different hat, a more abstract one: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/simple_hat.png
My suggestion is we have some sort of brainstorming excersize where all we do is come up with a bunch of words or phrases that describe fedora the project, and then go back and try to sketch out an icon to match something in that word/concept association list. Without some sort of new focus, we are going to keep circling around "hats" because its just too damn obvious.
Well, no hat, no mascot, no fun. I believe a logo should be fun, something people will *want* to put on their wallpaper, t-shirt, cap etc. I expect if the official logo will not be fun enough (like the actual http://fedora.redhat.com/images/header-fedora_logo.png) people will just use some alternative ones, which they will consider fun enough (for example I know of some uses of my alternate hats - the ones published at http://openclipart.org/cgi-bin/navigate/people/clothing/hats )
I am pretty bad at English so I guess I will wait for such a description of the project to be done and see if I find something fun in it.
-- nicu
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Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
That is indeed a cute logo, it would only need a creative person to do a story about the relationship between the pup and the distro. You say to put a hat on him: so what is the final resolution, hats are allowed or forbidden?
When defining the rules for the logo we may want or not to impose certain technical restrictions, like low number of colors (to not have something expensive to print), the image to allow a monochrome variant (to be possible to put in on faxes) etc.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
That is indeed a cute logo, it would only need a creative person to do a story about the relationship between the pup and the distro. You say to put a hat on him: so what is the final resolution, hats are allowed or forbidden?
A straight hat as a logo is clearly forbidden. A hat that is an element of another logo may be acceptable. It'll certainly be easier to lobby for.
When defining the rules for the logo we may want or not to impose certain technical restrictions, like low number of colors (to not have something expensive to print), the image to allow a monochrome variant (to be possible to put in on faxes) etc.
I'll say this for everyone's benefit: the design folks at RH are perfectly happy to spend cycles on this, and they understand these issues deeply. So no worries there.
The one big rule, though: this logo needs to be extensible, right?
--g
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On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 09:40 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
you could name the dog fedora.
-sv
On 7/1/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
Pup is nice. One caution: I think you would definitely have to recast Pup in a blue theme. While this logo doesn't look like YellowDog's logos at all, I'd have to cause undue confusion by having people talk about Fedora's "yellow dog"
One suggestion: Replace the package with a hatbox.
Two suggestions: Rework the puppy to be peering into an open hatbox. tagline "Fedora: look inside"
-jef
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 7/1/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
Pup is nice. One caution: I think you would definitely have to recast Pup in a blue theme. While this logo doesn't look like YellowDog's logos at all, I'd have to cause undue confusion by having people talk about Fedora's "yellow dog"
One suggestion: Replace the package with a hatbox.
Two suggestions: Rework the puppy to be peering into an open hatbox. tagline "Fedora: look inside"
BRILLIANT!
--g
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How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
Explain something to me: why does it have to be cute? "Look inside" is good, but I don't get the cute puppy bit. To paraphrase David Mamet, "Does it have to be a cute anything?"
MPF
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Matt Frye wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
Explain something to me: why does it have to be cute? "Look inside" is good, but I don't get the cute puppy bit. To paraphrase David Mamet, "Does it have to be a cute anything?"
Nope. Doesn't have to be a cute anything.
Using pup, however, has a few advantages that I can see:
1. Instantly recognizable as a pup; 2. Correlates to a new technology that will be central to Fedora; 3. Is generating some ideas.
Of course, there's an obvious downside:
1. Might be a little close to "yellow dog" for comfort.
And Mister Frye, now that you've thrown your rock at this idea, you are hereby *obliged* to put a new idea in the hat. :)
--g
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On 7/1/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
- Might be a little close to "yellow dog" for comfort.
I dare you to stick some horns and hooves on it and call it scapegoat.
-jef"perhaps a double dog dare would have been more appropriate"spaleta
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Matt Frye wrote:
Explain something to me: why does it have to be cute? "Look inside" is good, but I don't get the cute puppy bit. To paraphrase David Mamet, "Does it have to be a cute anything?"
Nope. Doesn't have to be a cute anything.
Using pup, however, has a few advantages that I can see:
- Instantly recognizable as a pup;
- Correlates to a new technology that will be central to Fedora;
- Is generating some ideas.
Is this pup cute enough? http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/pup_in_a_box.png I reused *a lot* from the pup (the application) logo
Hi
Is this pup cute enough? http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/pup_in_a_box.png I reused *a lot* from the pup (the application) logo
I like this one. The pup has a interesting expression though it looks almost annoyed. Maybe you should try brushing that up to look a bit more expectant or eager to please
regards Rahul
On 7/2/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Is this pup cute enough? http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/pup_in_a_box.png I reused *a lot* from the pup (the application) logo
I think thats a pretty good draft for a puppy related logo. Could you re-invent that in the abstract minimal line stroke form? Ah whats the word im looking for.. there is a style of japanese art that encompasses exactly what i mean.
What would be really cool if we are going to end up using the puppy.. is to create sort of a set of mix and match puppy faces, puppy bodies and props in svg. So anyone who has a valid need to make a fedora related graphic can put one together without a lot of tweaking. Just drag and around pre-existing pieces to create a new related graphic.
One use for this type of thing, docs subgroup can use the mix and match svg components to create emotive puppy graphics that are obviously related to the base logo. example: The docs people want to make a new puppy based alert icon... they use the exlamation point prop and use the puppy's "alert" face with ears perked up and the puppy standing up body. The docs people want to make a puppy based question icon.. they use a question mark prop and use the puppy "confused" face with the sitting down on its hauches body.
i think you could get away with faces: "happy" "sad" "scared" "confused" "constipated" "asleep" "alert/excited" "bad dog guilty" "angry" bodies: "begging" "standing" "sitting on haunches" "laying down" "rolled over belly exposed" "standing on back feet"
-jef" and of coursing the "biting" face and the "leg up peeing" body"spaleta
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
What would be really cool if we are going to end up using the puppy.. is to create sort of a set of mix and match puppy faces, puppy bodies and props in svg. So anyone who has a valid need to make a fedora related graphic can put one together without a lot of tweaking. Just drag and around pre-existing pieces to create a new related graphic.
I get it, something like the "Potato Head" game: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2005/05/one-potato-two-potatos.html
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 09:40:35AM -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
How about we steal the logo for pup and put a little bitty hat on him?
Make it a yarmulke. That way, if RH complains about it being a hat, we can tell them they're violating the puppy's freedom of religion. :)
I for one like the puppy logo, assuming Paul N doesn't mind him being dognapped. It's extremely eye-catching, it's cute, and (as has been noted) it can fairly easily be adapted for a variety of use scenarios. Paint him blue, give him a collar with a big F on it, voila.
- Paul
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
I understand the reasoning for "no hat" (this does not means I agree) but this have not stopped me to try a different hat, a more abstract one: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/simple_hat.png
Anyway at all you can make an abstract hat out of stylized versions of the F and C characters, and have it still look like a hat? I've utterly failed in any attempt. I look at your abstract hat sideways and I see an S and a B. If only those letters had significance for the project I think we could fool the powers that be that it really wasn't a hat at all.
-jef
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Anyway at all you can make an abstract hat out of stylized versions of the F and C characters, and have it still look like a hat? I've utterly failed in any attempt. I look at your abstract hat sideways and I see an S and a B. If only those letters had significance for the project I think we could fool the powers that be that it really wasn't a hat at all.
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fc.png this look a little too abstract to me, is not very clear neither "FC", nor a hat
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 17:14 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Anyway at all you can make an abstract hat out of stylized versions of the F and C characters, and have it still look like a hat? I've utterly failed in any attempt. I look at your abstract hat sideways and I see an S and a B. If only those letters had significance for the project I think we could fool the powers that be that it really wasn't a hat at all.
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fc.png this look a little too abstract to me, is not very clear neither "FC", nor a hat
umm - it's not just Fedora Core.
so using FC to make it seems a bit silly.
-sv
seth vidal wrote:
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 17:14 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fc.png this look a little too abstract to me, is not very clear neither "FC", nor a hat
umm - it's not just Fedora Core.
so using FC to make it seems a bit silly.
The "C" can be easily transformed into an "E" and with a little work into a "L" too, but I don't like it enough to consider worthy pursuing this.
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fc.png this look a little too abstract to me, is not very clear neither "FC", nor a hat
I actually like that a lot. I think you'd have to try to make the strokes a bit thicker or accentuate the shape of the letters a little more, something to make the F and C view a little better at small scales. but I "see" the hat and i "see" the f and c. I think thats a pretty close to what a best effort to create a hat out of something else is going to give us.
I bet.. you could probably mock up similar hats with F F for foundation F E for extras and even F L if you tried real hard.
The question remains... is an abstract "hat" out of lettering acceptible or not?
-jef
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
I actually like that a lot. I think you'd have to try to make the strokes a bit thicker or accentuate the shape of the letters a little more, something to make the F and C view a little better at small scales. but I "see" the hat and i "see" the f and c. I think thats a pretty close to what a best effort to create a hat out of something else is going to give us.
if needed, is *very easy* to adjust the shapes as needed (or draw them again from the scratch in the same idea, probably a 5 or 10 minutes job)
I bet.. you could probably mock up similar hats with F F for foundation F E for extras and even F L if you tried real hard.
if it is any use for you, the source is in the same place: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fc.svg
The question remains... is an abstract "hat" out of lettering acceptible or not?
On 7/1/05, Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
I understand the reasoning for "no hat" (this does not means I agree) but this have not stopped me to try a different hat, a more abstract one: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/simple_hat.png
Anyway at all you can make an abstract hat out of stylized versions of the F and C characters, and have it still look like a hat? I've utterly failed in any attempt.
Here's one of my attempts at using an F and C to make a "hat" http://jef.is-a-geek.com/F-C-hat.png the F and C are standing upright http://jef.is-a-geek.com/F-C-hat2.png rotated 90 degrees into a "hat"
again.. its rough.. but I think i can get an equally rough "hat" using an L for legacy or an E for extras instead of the C.
Something like this gives us the abstract hat without it meaning to be a hat at first glance and might be able to pass the "no hat" criteria.
-jef
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Here's one of my attempts at using an F and C to make a "hat" http://jef.is-a-geek.com/F-C-hat.png the F and C are standing upright http://jef.is-a-geek.com/F-C-hat2.png rotated 90 degrees into a "hat"
again.. its rough.. but I think i can get an equally rough "hat" using an L for legacy or an E for extras instead of the C.
Something like this gives us the abstract hat without it meaning to be a hat at first glance and might be able to pass the "no hat" criteria.
Right, it looks very abstract, so it may pass the "no hat" criteria, but it would pass the coolness criteria? Personally, for me the (subjective) coolness criteria is something along the lines of: "I would proudly put this on my t-shirt?"
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Personally, for me the (subjective) coolness criteria is something along the lines of: "I would proudly put this on my t-shirt?"
I think there is room for for more than one "logo" a graphics heavy logo like a mascot works in some situations an abstract minimal logo works in others
the puppy probably makes a very good t-shirt. a stylized F C or F F or F E or F L or even the single re-usable F is probably going to work in situations where you need a single color or you need to embroider... like a baseball cap.
-jef"can you make an abstract hat out of an F and a U for user? I want a cleverly sneaky way to wear FU on a t-shirt"spaleta
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
-jef"can you make an abstract hat out of an F and a U for user? I want a cleverly sneaky way to wear FU on a t-shirt"spaleta
one minute with the same base shape and "FU" is something like this: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fu.png
On 7/1/05, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote: one minute with the same base shape and "FU" is something like this: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fu.png
I think thats good enough to show the concept meets a certain threshold of extensibility.
so assuming the puppy fills the role of a strong graphics logo and assuming something like the abstract hat initials can be used for situations like letterhead or anywhere where simple stencils are prefered...
is there any drasticly different ideas bouncing around inside your head? Something that doesn't reference a hat all all? Perhaps an idea for a heavy graphic that isn't a mascot?
-jef
is there any drasticly different ideas bouncing around inside your head? Something that doesn't reference a hat all all? Perhaps an idea for a heavy graphic that isn't a mascot?
The word "Fedora" comes from the greek Theodoros, literally. "gift of god," from theos "god" + doron "gift." How about a gift box with a blue ribbon and the word Core, Extras, etc on the tag or side of the box, respectively? Something similar?
I'm thinking we should leave the god part out, since the "Theo" is reduced to "Fe."
MPF
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 11:25 -0400, Matt Frye wrote:
is there any drasticly different ideas bouncing around inside your head? Something that doesn't reference a hat all all? Perhaps an idea for a heavy graphic that isn't a mascot?
The word "Fedora" comes from the greek Theodoros, literally. "gift of god," from theos "god" + doron "gift." How about a gift box with a blue ribbon and the word Core, Extras, etc on the tag or side of the box, respectively? Something similar?
I'm thinking we should leave the god part out, since the "Theo" is reduced to "Fe."
Fe is Iron on the periodic table of elements.
a little table of elements box with Fe in it might be cute.
-sv
On 7/1/05, seth vidal skvidal@phy.duke.edu wrote:
Fe is Iron on the periodic table of elements.
a little table of elements box with Fe in it might be cute.
cute... and a similar style is already being used by "element computing" as part of their branding... http://www.elementcomputer.com/mambo/images/stories/outlets_web.jpg
I think greg would have to check out the trademark situation around this idea.
-jef"Fc: fedoracorium, Fe: iron Fl: fedoralegacium"spaleta
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 11:30:45AM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
Fe is Iron on the periodic table of elements. a little table of elements box with Fe in it might be cute.
And the box could be held by Dora the Explorer! http://www.nickjr.com/home/shows/dora/index.jhtml
Now, we just have to get the cross-licensing deal with Viacom worked out....
i am sure i am violating at least a thousand copyrights, but what the heck-- http://people.redhat.com/amaier/fedoralogos.html
Uttered Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com, spake thus:
Something like this gives us the abstract hat without it meaning to be a hat at first glance and might be able to pass the "no hat" criteria.
The distinguishing characteristic that makes a "hat" into a "fedora" is the creased crown and the pinched crease on either side of the front point of the top crease.
Could somebody design us a "fedora font" where the letters all have the fedora crease and then just make the logo the "Fedora" word?
Any takers?
On 7/1/05, Tommy Reynolds Tommy.Reynolds@megacoder.com wrote:
The distinguishing characteristic that makes a "hat" into a "fedora" is the creased crown and the pinched crease on either side of the front point of the top crease.
Could somebody design us a "fedora font" where the letters all have the fedora crease and then just make the logo the "Fedora" word?
clever......
-jef
Uttered Jeff Spaleta jspaleta@gmail.com, spake thus:
Could somebody design us a "fedora font" where the letters all have the fedora crease and then just make the logo the "Fedora" word?
clever......
and make the official slogan: "Fedora, it's not about just the hat."
Cheers
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 08:43 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
So on that note... here is my somewhat less humorous attempt at a draft for a reusable logo. http://jef.is-a-geek.com/path3079.png http://jef.is-a-geek.com/Fedora-Logos.png
this is something drawn about one year ago: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/fedora_logo_hat.png
I propose a wiki page where anybody can add his logo ideas (drawings)
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
The big ones are too big for this page, but I can't do HTML <img> resizing on them. If you want to resize the source URL, go for it.
- Karsten
On 7/1/05, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/
Other than extensibility is there a specific feature the doc group needs in a re-usable graphic? So far I think a new variant on the puppy would work for your needs. You can have the puppy biting on an exclamation point or peeing on a question mark.
-jef
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 11:04 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 7/1/05, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/
Other than extensibility is there a specific feature the doc group needs in a re-usable graphic?
Documentation needs match everyone elses -- has to look good very-teeny- tiny and in B&W.
So far I think a new variant on the puppy would work for your needs. You can have the puppy biting on an exclamation point or peeing on a question mark.
"Fedora, we peese on your questeonne!"
Nice.
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/LogoIdeas
The big ones are too big for this page, but I can't do HTML <img> resizing on them. If you want to resize the source URL, go for it.
yes you can.
Look at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiSandBox
notice the ImageLink mechanism being used on the big picture of the barn.
-sv
Uttered Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com, spake thus:
Here's an idea we kicked around a couple of weeks ago. It's a hat, so that's out ("No hats, no men" == "No Men With Hats" == "Un-Safety Dance") but here it is just for lusting:
http://www.megacoder.com/fdsc/logo.jpg http://www.megacoder.com/fdsc/logo.svg
Cheers
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