Hey all,
I just completed a first draft of the upgrade article for Fedora 24. This article will be different from past ones because of the GNOME Software upgrade method. I have tried to cover both angles in the article. See it at the link below.
https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13090&preview=1&_ppp=68bc6904e9
I have also reached to Richard Hughes, the developer of the GNOME Software upgrade method, to review the article and possibly offer some screenshots of the GNOME Software upgrade screens too.
Is there anyone we could also forward this to from the QA / testing side of things? I know last release we had a couple of flags incorrect, and I want to make sure we get this a good technical review before publishing it.
Thanks everyone!
Hey Justin,
Thanks for taking your time to write up this article!
Just trying to nitpick the details a little:
- Minor inconsistency: under "DNF Upgrade Plugin", the command lines do not have the "$" whereas the other commands had "$" infront of it.
- Minor confusion: under "Update software and back up your system", "To upgrade your system, use GNOME Software or enter the following command in a terminal." imo should be "To update your software..."
Once again, thanks! :)
PS: I saw a few articles you had on opensource.com and the latest one was about "Imagine RIT", fantastic articles! :)
Best Regards, Woo Huiren Fedora Ambassador & Marketing | Open Organization Ambassador
Hey Woo,
On 06/08/2016 12:49 PM, Huiren Woo wrote:
Hey Justin,
Thanks for taking your time to write up this article!
Just trying to nitpick the details a little:
- Minor inconsistency: under "DNF Upgrade Plugin", the command lines
do not have the "$" whereas the other commands had "$" infront of it.
- Minor confusion: under "Update software and back up your system",
"To upgrade your system, use GNOME Software or enter the following command in a terminal." imo should be "To update your software..."
Thanks for catching these, they were both confusing. I've update the original draft to fix both of these!
Once again, thanks! :)
PS: I saw a few articles you had on opensource.com and the latest one was about "Imagine RIT", fantastic articles! :)
Glad to hear you enjoyed those reads! Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it. :)
Best Regards, Woo Huiren Fedora Ambassador & Marketing | Open Organization Ambassador
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Hi Justin!
I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect.
Cheers, Sylvia
On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" lailahfsf@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Justin!
I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect.
The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon" target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method.
We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead.
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Justin!
I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect.
The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon" target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method.
We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead.
Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out.
We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready.
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
I just said about an image because this way the article looks a bit boring at first sight. It was just that.
Cheers, Sylvia
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Justin!
I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect.
The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon" target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method.
We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead.
Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out.
We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready.
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
Yup we do need some imagery! Imagery is good :)
If no one does it before me I'll fire up a VM today or tomorrow and grab some screenshots from both Hughsie's new stuff and the CLI dnf system-upgrade method
We have a little breathing room BTW as Adam mentioned yesterday it'll be a NOGO decision today due to an outstanding blocker which will cause a slip.
On 9 June 2016 at 01:30, Sylvia Sánchez lailahfsf@gmail.com wrote:
I just said about an image because this way the article looks a bit boring at first sight. It was just that.
Cheers, Sylvia
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Justin!
I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect.
The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon" target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method.
We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead.
Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out.
We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready.
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
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On 06/08/2016 08:30 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
I just said about an image because this way the article looks a bit boring at first sight. It was just that.
Cheers, Sylvia
Hey Sylvia,
We'll definitely be sure to add in some more images (both featured image and screenshots) to liven it up a bit. I know jhogarth said he was working on screenshots, and we should be able to pull together a featured image fairly easily for this (from past releases).
It also looks like we might have an extra week to work on prettying up too, since F24 might slip another week. Thanks for the feedback! :)
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Justin W. Flory <jflory7@gmail.com mailto:jflory7@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote: On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Justin! I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect. The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon" target... Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method. We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead. Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out. We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready. -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
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You're welcome, anytime. Sorry if I sounded too harsh or something.
Cheers, Sylvia
On Thursday, 9 June 2016, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/08/2016 08:30 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
I just said about an image because this way the article looks a bit boring at first sight. It was just that.
Cheers, Sylvia
Hey Sylvia,
We'll definitely be sure to add in some more images (both featured image and screenshots) to liven it up a bit. I know jhogarth said he was working on screenshots, and we should be able to pull together a featured image fairly easily for this (from past releases).
It also looks like we might have an extra week to work on prettying up too, since F24 might slip another week. Thanks for the feedback! :)
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Justin W. Flory <jflory7@gmail.com mailto:jflory7@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote: On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Justin! I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect. The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon"target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method. We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead. Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out. We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready. -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
Lots of screenshots!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4cGZbZj-DxyekR4YUNPazFtLU0
The archive includes screenshots from various stages from both the dnf system-upgrade method and from the new GUI upgrade...
As a brief walk through we have:
DNF system-upgrade plugin: Installing the DNF plugin Using the download option Accepting the GPG key The message after all the packages downloaded Using the reboot option The messages at start, part way through and upgrade complete
Gnome Software GUI update: Notification banner of new Fedora release The banner image in Gnome Software on the upgrades tab with the download button The progress bar part way through the package download The notification that the upgrade is ready to be installed, with the install button visible The polkit prompt for admin credential to start the upgrade The final prompt to actually reboot and carry out the upgrade The progress notification of the upgrade taking place The notice message the upgrade complete and reboot about to happen automatically
As you can see lots to choose from for this, or the other, article depending on the detail desired ;)
On 9 June 2016 at 21:17, Sylvia Sánchez lailahfsf@gmail.com wrote:
You're welcome, anytime. Sorry if I sounded too harsh or something.
Cheers, Sylvia
On Thursday, 9 June 2016, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/08/2016 08:30 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
I just said about an image because this way the article looks a bit boring at first sight. It was just that.
Cheers, Sylvia
Hey Sylvia,
We'll definitely be sure to add in some more images (both featured image and screenshots) to liven it up a bit. I know jhogarth said he was working on screenshots, and we should be able to pull together a featured image fairly easily for this (from past releases).
It also looks like we might have an extra week to work on prettying up too, since F24 might slip another week. Thanks for the feedback! :)
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Justin W. Flory <jflory7@gmail.com mailto:jflory7@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote: On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Justin! I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect. The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is that the graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon"target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method. We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead. Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out. We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready. -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
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Great! Thank you!
Cheers, Sylvia
On Saturday, 11 June 2016, James Hogarth james.hogarth@gmail.com wrote:
Lots of screenshots!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4cGZbZj-DxyekR4YUNPazFtLU0
The archive includes screenshots from various stages from both the dnf system-upgrade method and from the new GUI upgrade...
As a brief walk through we have:
DNF system-upgrade plugin: Installing the DNF plugin Using the download option Accepting the GPG key The message after all the packages downloaded Using the reboot option The messages at start, part way through and upgrade complete
Gnome Software GUI update: Notification banner of new Fedora release The banner image in Gnome Software on the upgrades tab with the download button The progress bar part way through the package download The notification that the upgrade is ready to be installed, with the install button visible The polkit prompt for admin credential to start the upgrade The final prompt to actually reboot and carry out the upgrade The progress notification of the upgrade taking place The notice message the upgrade complete and reboot about to happen automatically
As you can see lots to choose from for this, or the other, article depending on the detail desired ;)
On 9 June 2016 at 21:17, Sylvia Sánchez <lailahfsf@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lailahfsf@gmail.com');> wrote:
You're welcome, anytime. Sorry if I sounded too harsh or something.
Cheers, Sylvia
On Thursday, 9 June 2016, Justin W. Flory <jflory7@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jflory7@gmail.com');> wrote:
On 06/08/2016 08:30 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
I just said about an image because this way the article looks a bit boring at first sight. It was just that.
Cheers, Sylvia
Hey Sylvia,
We'll definitely be sure to add in some more images (both featured image and screenshots) to liven it up a bit. I know jhogarth said he was working on screenshots, and we should be able to pull together a featured image fairly easily for this (from past releases).
It also looks like we might have an extra week to work on prettying up too, since F24 might slip another week. Thanks for the feedback! :)
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Justin W. Flory <jflory7@gmail.com mailto:jflory7@gmail.com> wrote:
On 06/08/2016 03:48 PM, James Hogarth wrote: On 8 Jun 2016 19:30, "Sylvia Sánchez" <lailahfsf@gmail.com <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Justin! I would say it needs an image or two. Besides that, I find it perfect. The last I recall from the previous editorial meeting is thatthe graphical update method would not be highlighted as a primary supported update and would at best be a "this thing is coming soon" target...
Then a later more detailed article would be published to coincide with FESCO being happy with that as a supported update method. We should check with FESCO on this before publishing as nirik was pretty clear I thought that we should not publish such an article until they give the go ahead. Hey James, I thought the decision would be to highlight this for upgrading as long as it was ready, tested, tried, and true. In either case, including this method in the article is completely dependent on the FESCo decision, and in the event that it is not ready in time for release, we will modify and strip this part of the article out. We definitely will not publish this method unless we have a clear answer from FESCo and can be assured that the large majority of users will be able to upgrade using this method successfully. For now, the way the article is structured, it will be easy to remove this method if it isn't ready. -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
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