ESR gives up on Fedora

[Francesco Ugolini]

Read this article:
http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&...
.
I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him,
directly or indirectly.

I hope that some developers can help us understand deeper the objections
and work together to change the situation.

Thanks very much

Francesco Ugolini

-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini

[hymno]

Op wo, 21-02-2007 te 15:54 +0100, schreef Francesco Ugolini:
>  Read this article:
>  http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&...
>  .
>  I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him,
>  directly or indirectly.
>  
>  I hope that some developers can help us understand deeper the objections
>  and work together to change the situation.
>  
>  Thanks very much
>  
>  Francesco Ugolini
>  
>  -- 
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FrancescoUgolini
>   

OMG!
Weep and cry, o beloved brethren, His Überhackerness Eric S. Raymond had
a dependency problem!
Yikes!

And what happened?
ESR has just left the building...
... well, nothing lost there.

His Überhackerness is so happy with Click 'n' Run, let him play with
that.

And, to my great surprise, he closes the deal with a little praise of
Ubuntu! Where have I seen thát before? Not without having pissed a
little on "free software", which is the well he bloody well knows he
drinks from.

Well Eric, you just have to wait for two more releases and Ubuntu will
load your favourite blob by default! Congratulations, dude!

regards,
Herman

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 03:54:46PM +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>  Read this article:
>  http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&...
>  .
>  I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him,
>  directly or indirectly. 
I think Alan Cox's short answer was the best. Beyond that, there's not much
to say.


-- 
Matthew Miller           mattdm(a)mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>
Boston University Linux      ------>              <http://linux.bu.edu/>

[Gregory Maxwell]

On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Read this article:
>  http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/07/02/21/1340237.shtml?tid=23&...
>  .
>  I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him,
>  directly or indirectly.
>
>  I hope that some developers can help us understand deeper the objections
>  and work together to change the situation. 
Before I loaded the URL I knew he would be complaining because we have
not accepted proprietary and patent encumbered formats.

I think the fact that he still harps on that point diminishes the
credibility of the rest of his arguments.

I am personally quite glad that Fedora has a long term vision of a
world of truly free software, one which can't exist if in order to get
useful things done we must load up on non-free formats. Non-free
formats carry a high price even if they cost no money directly.

It is unfortunate that a more long term perspective seems
irreconcilable with ESR's short term wishes for desktop domination.

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini  wrote:
>  I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer
> him,
>  directly or indirectly. 
Hello there,
Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally
wanted to make mass publicity of his actions. See the CC: of his mail.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006....

Don't feed the troll. See Christian Iseli made us a wonderful picture
with some flowers.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01009....

Some users leave fedora, other new users download and install fedora.
Our statistics show us the progress the overall fedora project has
made. ESR is just a normal user, just like millions of linux users.

Chitlesh.
-- 
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[Tejas Dinkar]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH sent out 0.9K bytes to say:
>  Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally
Although I do not approve of ESR's public display of affection, i do not
think the above comment is appropriate.

Let us not forget he is a founding member of the OSI, an a former
president, and has pushed open source when it was still an infant.
-- 
Tejas Dinkar
http://gja.in

[Tony Guntharp]

I myself do not agree with ESR's methodology. That said having known  
ESR for 9 years or so it doesn't surprise me either. ESR is pretty  
egomaniacal and likes to cause waves. This is just another one of his  
waves.

Regardless of his credentials lot's of people have pushed open source  
since it's infancy without causing as much as a stir or without  
having to take issues public.

-t

-- 
Tony Guntharp
Co-Founder SourceForge.net
fusion94(a)gmail.com


On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Tejas Dinkar wrote:

>  On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH sent out 0.9K bytes to say:
> > Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally
>
>  Although I do not approve of ESR's public display of affection, i  
>  do not
>  think the above comment is appropriate.
>
>  Let us not forget he is a founding member of the OSI, an a former
>  president, and has pushed open source when it was still an infant.
>  -- 
>  Tejas Dinkar
>  http://gja.in
>
>  -- 
>  Fedora-marketing-list mailing list
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[Jeremy Hogan]

Yeah, I wouldn't call him a loser. He's just fresh outta relevance.

--jeremy

On 2/21/07, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH sent out 0.9K bytes to say:
>  > Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally
>
>  Although I do not approve of ESR's public display of affection, i do not
>  think the above comment is appropriate.
>
>  Let us not forget he is a founding member of the OSI, an a former
>  president, and has pushed open source when it was still an infant.
>  --
>  Tejas Dinkar
>  http://gja.in
>
>  --
>  Fedora-marketing-list mailing list
>  Fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
>

[Prarit Bhargava]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
>  On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini  wrote:
> > I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer him,
> > directly or indirectly.
>
>  Hello there,
>  Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser.  
Calling him a loser is out of line.

IMO.

P.

R: ESR gives up on Fedora

[Giuseppe Pignataro]

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Oggetto: Re: ESR gives up on Fedora

On 2/21/07, Francesco Ugolini  wrote:
>  I think we have to reflect on this pamphlet, and we have to answer 
>  him, directly or indirectly. 
Hello there,
Please do not reply to him, he is just a loser. He intentionnally wanted to
make mass publicity of his actions. See the CC: of his mail.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.htm
l

Don't feed the troll. See Christian Iseli made us a wonderful picture with
some flowers.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01009.htm
l

Some users leave fedora, other new users download and install fedora.
Our statistics show us the progress the overall fedora project has made. ESR
is just a normal user, just like millions of linux users.

Chitlesh.

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