12:58 p.m.
So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of
the wiki.
But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good.
Compare:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/
http://www.mozilla.com/
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org
Here's my vision for the front page of our wiki. But I don't have time to
do it myself. So I want to give it to you, and help make it *our* vision.
Expand on it, critisize it, etc.
I think that a comparatively small amount of effort could make a *huge*
difference in the professional look and feel, and ease of use, of our
wiki.
This is only going to look right in plain text email readers:
------------------------------------------------------------
Stuff that comes at the top of the wiki
------------------------------------------------------------
Two column layout
FC6 screenshot Fedora logo
Download FC6
torrents, x86, etc.
Download FC%
torrents, x86, etc.
basically the way it is right now, some sort of box around it to set it
apart from the rest of the FedoraMain
------------------------------------------------------------
Two column layout
Left column, in white Right column, some sort of color bg
Fedora Projects General Information
now we list the "biggest" stuff like FAQ, Communicate,
Projects, with just a few Press queries, etc, one or two
words about each "latest news" blurbs, weekly
reports, etc.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Legal/Trademark
Powered by Dell
1:12 p.m.
Hi Max,
Max Spevack wrote:
So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page
of
the wiki.
But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good.
So we've had discussions about making the wiki a lot nicer in the past,
and some mockups have floated around, but I guess nothing ever came from
it because of moinmoin or some other technical limitations?
One idea I remember in particular was to have little banner ads on the
right nav bar thing to point absolute beginners to things, for example -
Want to contribute Fedora and don't know how? Find a mentor! or maybe
quick links to downloads, etc.
Also we don't actually have a persistent navbar, although this is
possible with moinmoin (see http://linux-mm.org/ which Rik van Riel
runs). If we had a persistent navbar that was designed well it would be
a great benefit as well.
Anyway, I can offer my services as far as graphics, mocking things up,
and html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about
getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the
appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current
system?
~m
1:22 p.m.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Máirín Duffy wrote:
html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about
getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the
appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current
system?
So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and that's
a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but that's a
different conversation.
But what I'm trying to get at here is that I honestly believe that one
person who's decent with moinmoin and html could do a pretty good stopgap
measure in like 2 hours time, and then at least the wiki's front page will
be a bit more useful *until* a more complete job can be done.
We're gonna get a ton of traffic when FC6 comes out. I just want to put
the *most important stuff* on the front page of the wiki, and clear off
all the cruft. That's the "could be done by the weekend if someone really
cares" goal.
The 2 month goal is more along the lines of what you're talking about.
Both are good goals!
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9:57 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:22 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about
> getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the
> appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current
> system?
So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and that's
a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but that's a
different conversation.
I used the "random quote" moin feature to make a "tip-a-day" feature
quite some time ago, and sent to it a couple folks on the Websites team
for review. My CSS was not up to snuff but no one ever put an
improvement on it. If such an expert steps up, please feel free to
include this; it would be a great way to show off new *and* existing
features of the OS. The Docs team already agreed to help provide
content.
If you want to see a *WORKING* mockup of the feature, go to:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/TipTest
Refresh the page a couple times to see it at work. The layout is the
old one, and it's obviously subpar; too crowded and confusing. But I
really believe this simple feature is a neat, super-low-drag way to help
make the front page a little bit dynamic.
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6:34 a.m.
Is a great idea. +1
2006/9/23, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>:
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:22 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about
> > getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from the
> > appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our current
> > system?
>
> So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and that's
> a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but that's a
> different conversation.
I used the "random quote" moin feature to make a "tip-a-day" feature
quite some time ago, and sent to it a couple folks on the Websites team
for review. My CSS was not up to snuff but no one ever put an
improvement on it. If such an expert steps up, please feel free to
include this; it would be a great way to show off new *and* existing
features of the OS. The Docs team already agreed to help provide
content.
If you want to see a *WORKING* mockup of the feature, go to:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/TipTest
Refresh the page a couple times to see it at work. The layout is the
old one, and it's obviously subpar; too crowded and confusing. But I
really believe this simple feature is a neat, super-low-drag way to help
make the front page a little bit dynamic.
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5:10 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 14:12 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Max,
Max Spevack wrote:
> So I did some minor changes last night to FedoraMain, the front page of
> the wiki.
>
> But I think we need to do a lot more to make it look good.
So we've had discussions about making the wiki a lot nicer in the past,
and some mockups have floated around, but I guess nothing ever came from
it because of moinmoin or some other technical limitations?
Two things here:
i. We need to update our Moin Moin instance; we'll get some new layout
features (and problems) when that happens. Fedora Infrastructure is
accountable here, and they are working on it (big up to mmcgrath).
ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more control
over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is
resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get it
done sooner:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo
So, where Max pointed out two target points (by-next-weekend, 2 months),
there are really three points (by-next-weekend, 2 weeks, 2 months).
And, IMHO, 2 months should really be 1 month. Or even sooner. But I
don't have volunteers to loan or purse strings to untie.
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5:54 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more
control
over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is
resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get
it
done sooner:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo
This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5
to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of
Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our
existing process.
Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production
stuff running on the server.
I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not
sure how to get it moving.
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6:24 p.m.
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Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more
> control
> over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is
> resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get
> it
> done sooner:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo
This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5
to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of
Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our
existing process.
Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production
stuff running on the server.
Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :)
I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project,
but not
sure how to get it moving.
I'm offering to volunteer to the infrastructure project too (plone, foo)
and participate in IRC meetings & discussions.
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6:48 a.m.
On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then?
:)
Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an
easy task in terms of $$, etc.
Sam
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7:23 a.m.
hi..
I agree with SAM .. is it feasible in terms of investment .. ??
On 10/3/06, Sam Folk-Williams <samfw(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 00:24 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Probably it would be easier if we run it then on a new server then? :)
Is this a realistic option? I assume provisioning a new server is not an
easy task in terms of $$, etc.
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1:14 p.m.
Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2006-10-02 at 15:10 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> ii. Switching to using Plone to serve the front page means more
> control
> over the page; Moin Moin is just too limiting. Problem here is
> resources are tight to get the work done; more help is needed to get
> it
> done sooner:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PloneToDo
This is stuck. The server needs to be upgraded from RHEL/CENTOS 4 to FC5
to get the new version of Python, which is needed for the new version of
Plone, which is needed for the authentication process to work with our
existing process.
Updating the server is hard because there's a lot of other production
stuff running on the server.
I'm offering to volunteer whatever I can to the plone project, but not
sure how to get it moving.
You wouldnt have to update the server installation of Python. Python.org
used to offer newer versions of Python RPM's that parallel install with
the system version into something like /usr/bin/python24.
If a new server is what is required to get this moving, let us know and
we will deal with that.
Rahul
1:03 p.m.
Max Spevack wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> html/css (and I'm sure the Fedora art team would be excited about
> getting involved as well) but maybe we should figure out first from
> the appropriate folks what is even possible to implement given our
> current system?
So, there's a mid-term sort of goal, which is what you propose, and
that's a fair thing to look at and work toward, and we should, but
that's a different conversation.
The navigation bar is only about 30 minutes of work, too :)
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