Cool install Icons?

[Scott Baker]

Back in the RH8 and RH9 days there were some cool images displayed in
anaconda during the install process. They were a hot dog and an ice cream
cone, or something like that. Once the install started they would pop up
and say something like "this may take a while, why don't you go have a
snack?"

I always thought it was funny, and it showed RedHat's lighter side. That
sort of thing probably wouldn't be appropriate for RHEL, but I think it
would fit in really well with Fedora. Something silly like that to show
that Fedora doesn't take itself too seriously.

Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the
install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly I
couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog
install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. That's
good marketing!

- Scott

[Nicu Buculei]

Scott Baker wrote:
>  
>  Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the
>  install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly I
>  couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog
>  install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. That's
>  good marketing! 
This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in 
Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be 
interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take 
leadership on it.

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[Rudolf Kastl]

2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;:
>  Scott Baker wrote:
> >
> > Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the
> > install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly I
> > couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog
> > install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago. That's
> > good marketing!
>
>  This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in
>  Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be
>  interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take
>  leadership on it.
>
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the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
(sure a subjective taste question)

kind regards,
Rudolf Kastl

[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the
installations process, altough some people think that pretty things dont do
good stuff..
but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;:
>  > Scott Baker wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the
>  >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly
>  I
>  >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog
>  >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago.
>  That's
>  >> good marketing!
>  >
>  > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in
>  > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be
>  > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take
>  > leadership on it.
>  >
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>
>  the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
>  (sure a subjective taste question)
>
>  kind regards,
>  Rudolf Kastl
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[John Mackay]

lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if it's
the real thing.
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystic...

2008/12/5 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) <lucas(a)cefetce.br&gt;

>  I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the
>  installations process, altough some people think that pretty things dont do
>  good stuff..
>  but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ?
>
>  On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > 2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;:
> > > Scott Baker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that during the
> > >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as exciting. Honestly
> > I
> > >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember those hotdog
> > >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six years ago.
> > That's
> > >> good marketing!
> > >
> > > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the hooks in
> > > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing may be
> > > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone to take
> > > leadership on it.
> > >
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> >
> > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
> > (sure a subjective taste question)
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Rudolf Kastl
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[Chris Grams]

John Mackay wrote:
>  lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno
> if 
>  it's the real thing.
>
> http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystic...
hi john, yes, that's the real thing. brings back some good memories...

best,

cdg

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>  
>  2008/12/5 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) <lucas(a)cefetce.br 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  
>      I do think we should invest more time on eye-candy stuff for the
>      installations process, altough some people think that pretty things
>      dont do good stuff..
>      but who know, maybe we can make a diference, dont we ?
>  
>      On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>          2008/12/5 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro
>          <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>           > Scott Baker wrote:
>           >>
>           >> Would it be possible to resurrect something silly like that
>          during the
>           >> install? The current install images aren't nearly as
>          exciting. Honestly I
>           >> couldn't even tell you what they say! But I *do* remember
>          those hotdog
>           >> install screens from all the way back in RH8/9 from six
>          years ago. That's
>           >> good marketing!
>           >
>           > This was talked a few times in the past: we still have the
>          hooks in
>           > Anaconda, Art would be interested to try something, Marketing
>          may be
>           > interested in using this promo venue... we didn't had someone
>          to take
>           > leadership on it.
>           >
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>           >
>  
>          the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
>          (sure a subjective taste question)
>  
>          kind regards,
>          Rudolf Kastl
>  
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[Scott Baker]

Chris Grams wrote:
>  John Mackay wrote:
> > lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if
> > it's the real thing.
> >
> http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystic...
YES! This is the images from back in the day! They were silly and fun, and
made me think RedHat wasn't just for stuffy shirts. I'd love to see
something like that again.

- Scott

[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Scott Baker <bakers(a)web-ster.com&gt; wrote:

>  Chris Grams wrote:
>  > John Mackay wrote:
>  >> lol, anyone has screenshots? I have found this at google, but dunno if
>  >> it's the real thing.
>  >>
>
> http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:6t_JA9W3smlFAM:http://www.8bitjoystic...
>
>  YES! This is the images from back in the day! They were silly and fun, and
>  made me think RedHat wasn't just for stuffy shirts. I'd love to see
>  something like that again.
>
>  - Scott
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[Máirín Duffy]

Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote:
>  Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D 
Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what
some of the panels could be about?

~m

[Clint Savage]

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote:
> > Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D
>
>  Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what
>  some of the panels could be about? 
Why not focus on the four f's?

Freedom - Explain why freedom is important
Friends - Tell your friends about Fedora
Features - From openoffice to gimp, apache to netfilter, Fedora has
all the great free software
First - Fedora leads, never follows

what do you think?  I also like the idea of something to entertain a
user for a few minutes while installing.

Cheers,

Clint

[Clint Savage]

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Clint Savage <herlo1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Máirín Duffy
> <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote:
> >> Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D
> >
> > Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what
> > some of the panels could be about?
>
>  Why not focus on the four f's?
>
>  Freedom - Explain why freedom is important
>  Friends - Tell your friends about Fedora
>  Features - From openoffice to gimp, apache to netfilter, Fedora has
>  all the great free software
>  First - Fedora leads, never follows
>
>  what do you think?  I also like the idea of something to entertain a
>  user for a few minutes while installing.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Clint
>  
I should also mention that I think if we do something like this, it
should be semi-static.  In other words, it shouldn't change every
release, but changing every 3 or 4 releases wouldn't be bad.
Therefore, if the four f's stops becoming our rallying cry, we could
move onto something else (and I'm not saying we should move from the
four f's, just giving an example here).

Hope this help.

Clint

[Felix Kaechele]

Clint Savage schrieb:
>  On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Máirín Duffy
> <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what
> > some of the panels could be about?
>  
>  Why not focus on the four f's? 
I was about to post that as well but I think we should stay definitely
humorous in a way and show that we don't take us too serious. That would
make us superior over the other distros :)

(Bad) E.g.:Fedora is first because nobody breaks so much things as we do
between releases :D

Felix

[Scott Baker]

Felix Kaechele wrote:
>  I was about to post that as well but I think we should stay
> definitely
>  humorous in a way and show that we don't take us too serious. That would
>  make us superior over the other distros :)
>  
>  (Bad) E.g.:Fedora is first because nobody breaks so much things as we do
>  between releases :D 
I agree... the whole reason I liked the old hotdog was because they didn't
take themselves too seriously. Fedora shouldn't be TOO serious, it should
be fun!

- Scott

[Neville A. Cross]

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Scott Baker <bakers(a)web-ster.com&gt; wrote:
>  Felix Kaechele wrote:
> > I was about to post that as well but I think we should stay definitely
> > humorous in a way and show that we don't take us too serious. That would
> > make us superior over the other distros :)
> >
> > (Bad) E.g.:Fedora is first because nobody breaks so much things as we do
> > between releases :D
>
>  I agree... the whole reason I liked the old hotdog was because they didn't
>  take themselves too seriously. Fedora shouldn't be TOO serious, it should
>  be fun!
>  
I really like the idea of not been too serious. I love the idea of the
four Fs, but it seems a bit contradictory.  The four F's are
statements, but to keep the relaxed idea those have to be portrayed
funny. I am not sure than it is wise to make fun of our statements.
Hence it is why I feel it is contradictory.
I strongly agree that entertain images will be better and funny images
will be best.
I am not sure how much resources may consume animations, I will hate
the funniest thing if it delays my installation.
Just my thoughts to fuel up the brainstorming.

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I dont know, I'll talk to a friend of mine and get some ideas >D

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;wrote:

>  Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote:
>  > Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D
>
>  Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what
>  some of the panels could be about?
>
>  ~m
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[Doug Berry]

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  From: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Subject: Re: Cool install Icons?
>  To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base"
> <fedora-marketing-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:37 AM
>  Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote:
>  > Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D
>  
>  Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on
>  what
>  some of the panels could be about?
>  
>  ~m
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Hey,

If the idea is to jazz-up the install visually, why use static
panels at all? How about some kind of animated thing -- a guy
juggling balls labeled, partitions, desktop, sound system -- then
when one is loaded, he chucks a ball at the screen and it says:
partitions completed, now loading .... May not be practical but the possibilities would be
unless. 

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[Nicu Buculei]

Doug Berry wrote:
>  
>  If the idea is to jazz-up the install visually, why use static
>  panels at all? How about some kind of animated thing -- a guy
>  juggling balls labeled, partitions, desktop, sound system -- then
>  when one is loaded, he chucks a ball at the screen and it says:
>  partitions completed, now loading .... May not be practical but the possibilities would
> be unless.  
Because the code we have support only static panels. Patch Anaconda and 
we may talk about that... but the next blocker will be producing the 
animations with Fedora, doable but not easy (advanced Blender or GIFs 
animated with GIMP).

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[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

Is it really nescessary to use open source solutions for developing the
images and animations ?
if not my buddy agrees to illustrate some images and animations for the
project royalty-free..

if you want these animations, let me know :)

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;wrote:

>  Doug Berry wrote:
>
> >
> > If the idea is to jazz-up the install visually, why use static
> > panels at all? How about some kind of animated thing -- a guy
> > juggling balls labeled, partitions, desktop, sound system -- then
> > when one is loaded, he chucks a ball at the screen and it says:
> > partitions completed, now loading .... May not be practical but the
> > possibilities would be unless.
> >
>
>  Because the code we have support only static panels. Patch Anaconda and we
>  may talk about that... but the next blocker will be producing the animations
>  with Fedora, doable but not easy (advanced Blender or GIFs animated with
>  GIMP).
>
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[Nicu Buculei]

Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote:
>  Is it really nescessary to use open source solutions for developing
> the 
>  images and animations ? 
There is a *strong* preference at the Art Team for using Free / Open 
Source solutions as much as possible, we are quite proud of what we 
accomplished this way and consider it a good way to market Fedora.

On top of that, the result *must* be available in a Free format, 
playable out-of-the-box in Fedora, so no mpeg, QuickTime, DivX, probably 
not either Flash.

>  if not my buddy agrees to illustrate some images and animations for
> the 
>  project royalty-free..
>  
>  if you want these animations, let me know :) 
Expect a strong opposition for any project made by an external 
contractor, any work is expected to be done inside the community, see 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

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[Russell Harrison]

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
>  (sure a subjective taste question) 
I agree.  What about screen shots or graphics explaining some of the
new features in a release.  It might be a good way to promote some of
the advances Fedora is making.

Russell

[John Mackay]

Picture a basic space shooter game xD while installing (nothing complicated,
something among asteroids and galaga would work, or a tetris clone too)
I think it would rock, the big but it´s that I dunno how to do that, so the
idea is there ;)


2008/12/9 Russell Harrison <rtlm10(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
>  > (sure a subjective taste question)
>
>  I agree.  What about screen shots or graphics explaining some of the
>  new features in a release.  It might be a good way to promote some of
>  the advances Fedora is making.
>
>  Russell
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[John Mackay]

LOL, thinking further; probably not everyone would enjoy a game anytime
(Specially at your work) So, what about if there existed an "Activity
Center", there you could read about Fedoras Values, The #Fs, preview
wallpapers, play games, and more stuff about documentation, community and
passtimes to dwell in while the installation completes, what do you think?

2008/12/10 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  Picture a basic space shooter game xD while installing (nothing
>  complicated, something among asteroids and galaga would work, or a tetris
>  clone too)
>  I think it would rock, the big but it´s that I dunno how to do that, so the
>  idea is there ;)
>
>
>  2008/12/9 Russell Harrison <rtlm10(a)gmail.com&gt;
>
>  On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > the way it is now though it looks very professional and polished.
> > > (sure a subjective taste question)
> >
> > I agree.  What about screen shots or graphics explaining some of the
> > new features in a release.  It might be a good way to promote some of
> > the advances Fedora is making.
> >
> > Russell
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[Nicu Buculei]

John Mackay wrote:
>  LOL, thinking further; probably not everyone would enjoy a game
> anytime  
I remember many, many years ago I saw a Caldera install where you could 
play Tetris.

>  (Specially at your work) So, what about if there existed an
> "Activity 
>  Center", there you could read about Fedoras Values, The #Fs, preview 
>  wallpapers, play games, and more stuff about documentation, community 
>  and passtimes to dwell in while the installation completes, what do you 
>  think? 
In an ideal world the installation is quick enough (10-15 minutes) that 
you don't have enough time for complex "activities" but a few splash 
screens may keep your interest awake.

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[John Mackay]

Say you had the "Activity Center", reading documentation / playing tetris
should fit in a normal install lifespan, within 10 minutes, you wouldn't be
doing all of the activities, but rather choosing the more appealing to your
personal taste ;). I know it starts to sound like work, this are no splash
screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making the
kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give people
options, while anaconda installs everything.

2008/12/10 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;

>  John Mackay wrote:
>
> > LOL, thinking further; probably not everyone would enjoy a game anytime
> >
>
>  I remember many, many years ago I saw a Caldera install where you could
>  play Tetris.
>
>   (Specially at your work) So, what about if there existed an "Activity
> > Center", there you could read about Fedoras Values, The #Fs, preview
> > wallpapers, play games, and more stuff about documentation, community and
> > passtimes to dwell in while the installation completes, what do you think?
> >
>
>  In an ideal world the installation is quick enough (10-15 minutes) that you
>  don't have enough time for complex "activities" but a few splash screens
> may
>  keep your interest awake.
>
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[Neville A. Cross]

2008/12/10 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Say you had the "Activity Center", reading documentation /
> playing tetris
>  should fit in a normal install lifespan, within 10 minutes, you wouldn't be
>  doing all of the activities, but rather choosing the more appealing to your
>  personal taste ;). I know it starts to sound like work, this are no splash
>  screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making the
>  kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give people
>  options, while anaconda installs everything.
>  
If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick faster.
I liked the idea of cool install icons.
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Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character console
text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use of the
system resources.

2008/12/10 Neville A. Cross <nacross(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  2008/12/10 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > Say you had the "Activity Center", reading documentation / playing tetris
>  > should fit in a normal install lifespan, within 10 minutes, you wouldn't
>  be
>  > doing all of the activities, but rather choosing the more appealing to
>  your
>  > personal taste ;). I know it starts to sound like work, this are no
>  splash
>  > screens.(and it's not going to optimize the ext3 performance or making
>  the
>  > kernel faster) it'll just add value to the install sequence, and give
>  people
>  > options, while anaconda installs everything.
>  >
>
>  If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick faster.
>  I liked the idea of cool install icons.
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[Nicu Buculei]

John Mackay wrote:
>  Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character
>
>  console text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use 
>  of the system resources. 
He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is still a 
viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the 
requirements for a GUI install.

>  2008/12/10 Neville A. Cross
>  
>      If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick
>      faster. 

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[John Mackay]

Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease hit
on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, to
read while the process completes.

2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;

>  John Mackay wrote:
>
> > Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character
> > console text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use of
> > the system resources.
> >
>
>  He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is still a
> viable
>  option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the requirements for
>  a GUI install.
>
>   2008/12/10 Neville A. Cross
> >
> >    If I have a nice install and an ugly faster install... I will pick
> >    faster.
> >
>
>
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[Neville A. Cross]

2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed
> decrease hit
>  on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others, to
>  read while the process completes.
>  2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
> >
> > John Mackay wrote:
> >>
> >> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character
> >> console text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use of
> >> the system resources.
> >
> > He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is
> still a
> > viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the
> > requirements for a GUI install.
> > 

Thanks Nicu for steping in.

I think that now my point has been made. The idea is not to over do
the niceties and slowing the install process.

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At least giving the usr control of the slides he wants to see, or see none
at all will slow that much the install process, to keep the argument of the
slow install?




2008/12/11 Neville A. Cross <nacross(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease
>  hit
>  > on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others,
>  to
>  > read while the process completes.
>  > 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
>  >>
>  >> John Mackay wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character
>  >>> console text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less use
>  of
>  >>> the system resources.
>  >>
>  >> He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text install is
> still a
>  >> viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the
>  >> requirements for a GUI install.
>  >>
>
>
>  Thanks Nicu for steping in.
>
>  I think that now my point has been made. The idea is not to over do
>  the niceties and slowing the install process.
>
>  Best regards
>
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[John Mackay]

Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the
install, seconds?

2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  At least giving the usr control of the slides he wants to see, or see
> none
>  at all will slow that much the install process, to keep the argument of the
>  slow install?
>
>
>
>
>  2008/12/11 Neville A. Cross <nacross(a)gmail.com&gt;
>
>  2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > > Correct, sorry there. Whoever there will not be a serious speed decrease
> > hit
> > > on the installer, by example: choosing a preferred lecture among others,
> > to
> > > read while the process completes.
> > > 2008/12/11 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro&gt;
> > >>
> > >> John Mackay wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Applying that logic, then we should revert back to graphed character
> > >>> console text installs, it´s way uglier than anaconda and makes less
> > use of
> > >>> the system resources.
> > >>
> > >> He said "faster", no "less resources". And a text
> install is still a
> > >> viable option when you installing on a computer with RAM below the
> > >> requirements for a GUI install.
> > >>
> >
> >
> > Thanks Nicu for steping in.
> >
> > I think that now my point has been made. The idea is not to over do
> > the niceties and slowing the install process.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
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[Neville A. Cross]

2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow
> the
>  install, seconds?
>  
You're absolutely right slide shows won't hurt.
What scared me was the activity center, games and similar stuff.
I will happily vote for animations of few KB, and oppose to videos with many MB.

I just voiced my opinion at the time when the topic is evaluated. If
in the future the consensus is different from my views, I will support
it.



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Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the
> > install, seconds?
> >
>  
>  You're absolutely right slide shows won't hurt.
>  What scared me was the activity center, games and similar stuff.
>  I will happily vote for animations of few KB, and oppose to videos with many MB.
>  
>  I just voiced my opinion at the time when the topic is evaluated. If
>  in the future the consensus is different from my views, I will support
>  it. 
this isn't a vote though.

I still haven't seen any solid ideas for actual banners and banner 
content. If folks have concrete ideas, the art team will be glad to 
create the needed artwork.

~m

[Scott Baker]

Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
>  this isn't a vote though.
>  
>  I still haven't seen any solid ideas for actual banners and banner
>  content. If folks have concrete ideas, the art team will be glad to
>  create the needed artwork. 
Does F11 have a theme/name yet that we could work with? Like F9 was the
werewolf (I think), we could play off of that. Like the Werewolf eats the
Fedora logo or something similar. What's a good starting point for these
"fun" images?

- Scott

[Máirín Duffy]

Scott Baker wrote:
>  Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
> > this isn't a vote though.
> >
> > I still haven't seen any solid ideas for actual banners and banner
> > content. If folks have concrete ideas, the art team will be glad to
> > create the needed artwork.
>  
>  Does F11 have a theme/name yet that we could work with? Like F9 was the
>  werewolf (I think), we could play off of that. Like the Werewolf eats the
>  Fedora logo or something similar.  
It doesn't and it won't until early January.

I would like to avoid having these images, if they happen at all, to be 
tied in with the theme of the moment. The art team has enough on their 
plate without adding these to it. If they get stale every release it's 
just too much maintenance work. I would suggest coming up with ideas 
that are not specifically tied to the theme of any one release.

>  What's a good starting point for these
>  "fun" images? 
How long does the install take? That's a good data point to try to 
gather to figure out how long they should be on screen and the 
complexity of the content / Q&A quiz / etc of the banners.

Think about funny things that people do while they're waiting for 
something that takes a long time. What do people do while in line at the 
DMV? What do people do when they wait for their computer to boot up in 
the morning? I'd use questions like that as a springboard for ideas...

Thanks,
~m

[Scott Baker]

Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
>  How long does the install take? That's a good data point to try
> to
>  gather to figure out how long they should be on screen and the
>  complexity of the content / Q&A quiz / etc of the banners. 
Usually the install takes between 15 minutes, and 30 minutes, but it can
obviously vary greatly depending on other factors. How does Ananconda
handle rotating the images currently? Is it every X minutes, or after X
packages are installed?

>  Think about funny things that people do while they're waiting
> for
>  something that takes a long time. What do people do while in line at the
>  DMV? What do people do when they wait for their computer to boot up in
>  the morning? I'd use questions like that as a springboard for ideas... 
This is a great idea... I'll ponder.

[Máirín Duffy]

Scott Baker wrote:
>  Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
> > How long does the install take? That's a good data point to try to
> > gather to figure out how long they should be on screen and the
> > complexity of the content / Q&A quiz / etc of the banners.
>  
>  Usually the install takes between 15 minutes, and 30 minutes, but it can
>  obviously vary greatly depending on other factors. How does Ananconda
>  handle rotating the images currently? Is it every X minutes, or after X
>  packages are installed? 
I don't know. One of the anaconda guys would probably know.

~m

[Doug Berry]

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Máirí­n Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  
>  I don't know. One of the anaconda guys would probably
>  know.
>  
>  ~m 
One consideration, since most of us are installing from
CD/DVDs, would be the write speed of the ROM drive. I have, 
besides my 3gig box, two older 1gig boxes I install Live 
CDs on. Takes both about 45 minutes. My 3box, half that. I
would imagine install time = box size (+) write speed (+)
RAM. On my 1gig boxes the first thing that happens is a
screen appears that says: You don't have much RAM on this
system, would you like to install the SWAP Partition now?
Translation: hope your not late for an appointment.

So, a question is: are people installing off of CDs, using
older/slower boxes? And those using DVDs newer/faster? If
so, then those using DVDs would seemingly need fewer panels
or screens, since they will be enjoying setting up their
desktop sooner, anyway. Whereas, those using older/slower
may need more panels/screens; anything to breakup the 
monotany of watching that scroll-bar crawl across their 
screen.

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[Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB)]

Whats the problem of using static images only ?
a very good illustration pays for a hole pointless movie :)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Neville A. Cross <nacross(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  2008/12/11 John Mackay <mackay3(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > Loading such an option to the installer how much is going to slow the
>  > install, seconds?
>  >
>
>  You're absolutely right slide shows won't hurt.
>  What scared me was the activity center, games and similar stuff.
>  I will happily vote for animations of few KB, and oppose to videos with
>  many MB.
>
>  I just voiced my opinion at the time when the topic is evaluated. If
>  in the future the consensus is different from my views, I will support
>  it.
>
>
>
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[Neville A. Cross]

2008/12/11 Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) <lucas(a)cefetce.br&gt;:
>  Whats the problem of using static images only ?
>  a very good illustration pays for a hole pointless movie :)
>  
I really don't know what the problem is.
I will LOVE not_too_serious images.
I may not agree in an activity center that may delay install.

and I aware that this is not reach vote... I understand that is a kind
of brainstorming process by now.



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Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  and I aware that this is not reach vote... I understand that is a
> kind
>  of brainstorming process by now. 
You replied to the wrong email.

I am just trying to point out that rather than brainstorming all of 
these complicated games and activity ideas, why not try to focus on a 
nice set of say 5-6 banner ideas, and hash out the content for them? It 
would be more productive, and the art team could work with it and 
produce illustrations a lot more quickly and easily if we're provided 
the actual storylines/concepts to illustrate.

~m

[Nicu Buculei]

Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
>  
>  I am just trying to point out that rather than brainstorming all of 
>  these complicated games and activity ideas, why not try to focus on a 
>  nice set of say 5-6 banner ideas, and hash out the content for them? It 
>  would be more productive, and the art team could work with it and 
>  produce illustrations a lot more quickly and easily if we're provided 
>  the actual storylines/concepts to illustrate. 
Call me bitter and over-pessimistic, but I don't think we'll get 
anywhere. Trying to design the slides by a committee  will end only in a 
massive flamewar and at the best a few mediocre slides[*]. And very late 
in the release cycle, some  higher power from outside the effort will 
step in and reject everything.

[*] humour by committee can't be funny nor consistent. I will pretty 
much prefer to have the slides made by a small group, maybe secretly, 
and have a good laugh when I see them for the first time.

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[Felix Kaechele]

Just for reference: I put them on my webserver for everyone to view so
that everybody knows what we are talking about.

http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/

The Kitchen one is this one:
http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/f11rh7-3is_intermission.png

Greetings,
Felix

[Scott Baker]

Felix Kaechele wrote:
>  Just for reference: I put them on my webserver for everyone to view
> so
>  that everybody knows what we are talking about.
>  
>  http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/
>  
>  The Kitchen one is this one:
>  http://felix.nu.mu/~felix/rh73install/f11rh7-3is_intermission.png 
THAT'S IT! There were like 8 "serious" screens, and then a couple
"Silly"
ones like this. I think this is the perfect mix of fun/business. If we
could do something like that again it'd give Fedora a "fun" face.

- Scott