Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Joe Brockmeier]

Adding the Fedora Marketing team to this discussion.

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Samalik" 
> To: [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail], "Pavel Valena" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:39:11 AM
> Subject: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> we have prepared a new release of Fedora Developer Portal, and we would like
> to hear your feedback before pushing it into production. If everything goes
> fine, we would like to make the release on Monday, April 25th.
>
> This email is the first of its kind. I would like to send it every time
> before release - to make sure, that we involve everyone who might be
> interested. This time, I have also cc-ed 'websites' and 'devel' lists. All
> future emails about new releases will go to the 'developer-portal' mailing
> list only.
>
> Current version: https://developer.fedoraproject.org/
> New release in staging: https://developer.stg.fedoraproject.org/
>
> What's new:
> Design
> refreshed look with more uniform layout
> images in the header have been compressed
> 'Edit this page' button on every page
> clicking this button gets you to the github repo, where you can edit the
>
> content directly in your web browser and submit a pull-request
> Including empty pages
> pages are shown with 'help needed' badge
> goal of this is to encourage people/make it easier to contribute content
> Start section
> including guides about Arduino and mobile applications using Google Android
>
> Studio
> Share your knowledge banner on each page
> with link to our contributing guides: https://developer-portal.github.io/
> Using Google Analytics
> disabled 'demographics and interest reports'
> disabled 'enhanced link attribution'
> disabled 'remarketing'
> disabled 'advertising reporting features'
> basically, I want to use it only to track views and to see what is most
>
> popular
>
> I welcome any feedback or comments.
>
> Thank you!
> Have a great day,
> Adam Samalik
>
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>
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> Red Hat
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[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Pete Travis]

This might also be interesting for Docs people.

--Pete

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> This might also be interesting for Docs people.

How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list problem?

There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.

Best,

jzb

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Robert Mayr]

2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier :
> On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
>
> How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list
> problem?
>
> There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.
>
> Best,
> jzb
>
> Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
> [e-mail] | http://community.redhat.com/
> Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
>
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> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

Hi Adam,
not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed to any
ML), but:

Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is somewhere in
between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add this too, you
probably need to create and push the source file to Zanata.
Or is this a plan for further releases?

[Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Adam Samalik]

Hi Robert,

the update does not include I18n.
Using it is not on our plan - but that doesn't mean we don't want it. We
just didn't think about it. If you want to help us with it, I will be more
than happy to have it. But I'm not sure how it would work with all the
content. Especially in terms of contributing.

Adam

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Robert Mayr 
wrote:
> 2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier :
> > On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> >
> > How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list
> > problem?
> >
> > There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> > design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.
> >
> > Best,
> > jzb
> >
> > Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
> > [e-mail] | http://community.redhat.com/
> > Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
> >
> > --
> > devel mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> Hi Adam,
> not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed to any
> ML), but:
>
> Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is somewhere in
> between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add this too, you
> probably need to create and push the source file to Zanata.
> Or is this a plan for further releases?
>
> --
> Robert Mayr
> (robyduck)
>
> Developer-portal mailing list
> [e-mail]
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]...

[Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Petr Hracek]

Hi Robert,

I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.

Regards
Petr

On 04/21/2016 07:54 PM, Adam Samalik wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> the update does not include I18n.
> Using it is not on our plan - but that doesn't mean we don't want it. 
> We just didn't think about it. If you want to help us with it, I will 
> be more than happy to have it. But I'm not sure how it would work with 
> all the content. Especially in terms of contributing.
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Robert Mayr 
> <[e-mail] > wrote:
> 2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>
>     On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>     > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
>     >
>     How can we have these sorts of conversations without the
>     multi-list problem?
>
>     There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing,
>     docs,
>     design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to
>     communications here.
>
>     Best,
>
>     jzb
>     --
>     Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
>     [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> |
>     http://community.redhat.com/
>     Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>     --
>     devel mailing list
>     [e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>     http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
>
> Hi Adam,
> not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed
> to any ML), but:
>
> Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is
> somewhere in between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add
> this too, you probably need to create and push the source file to
> Zanata.
> Or is this a plan for further releases?
>
> -- 
> Robert Mayr
> (robyduck)
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Robert Mayr]

Ok, I'm fine with that. I was just bringing up a question we discussed time
ago and I'm asked sometimes by L10n folks.
Thanks for confirming it.
Regards.
Robert

2016-04-22 8:35 GMT+02:00 Petr Hracek :
> Hi Robert,
>
> I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
> Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.
>
> Regards
> Petr
>
> On 04/21/2016 07:54 PM, Adam Samalik wrote:
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> the update does not include I18n.
> Using it is not on our plan - but that doesn't mean we don't want it. We
> just didn't think about it. If you want to help us with it, I will be
> more than happy to have it. But I'm not sure how it would work with all the
> content. Especially in terms of contributing.
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Robert Mayr 
> wrote:
> > 2016-04-20 18:53 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier < 
> > [e-mail]>:
> > > On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > > > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> > >
> > > How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list
> > > problem?
> > >
> > > There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> > > design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications
> > > here.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > jzb
> > >
> > > Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
> > > [e-mail] | http://community.redhat.com/
> > > http://community.redhat.com/
> > > Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/
> > >
> > > --
> > > devel mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
> > Hi Adam,
> > not sure where my reply passes and where not (I'm not subscribed to any
> > ML), but:
> >
> > Does the update also include I18n? The developer portal is somewhere in
> > between websites and Infra, so if you consider to add this too, you
> > probably need to create and push the source file to Zanata.
> > Or is this a plan for further releases?
> >
> > --
> > Robert Mayr
> > (robyduck)
> >
> > Developer-portal mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> >
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]...
>
> --
> Adam Šamalík
>
> Associate Software Engineer
> Red Hat
>
> --
> websites mailing [e-mail]://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> --
> Petr Hracek
> Software Engineer
> Developer Experience
> Red Hat, Inc
> Mob: [phone]
> email: [e-mail]

[Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 08:35:57AM +0200, Petr Hracek wrote:
> I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
> Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.

If people are interested in working on it, though, having non-English intro
pages might bring more people into Fedora.

[Marketing] Re: [Developer-portal] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think this developer portal will be key for us, and there is a place
for a developer hub for projects aka earlier fedora hosted. IMHO
Fedora Hosted .next should be something like a kickstart portal, just
for softwares. If we are able to our community run software startups,
host them, and even besides the description would be cool to openly,
visibly look for specified coders, designers and so on.

Z

2016-04-27 20:22 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller :
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 08:35:57AM +0200, Petr Hracek wrote:
> > I guess, developer portal should be only in English.
> > Many developer documentation are in English, like Python, Perl, Ruby.
>
> If people are interested in working on it, though, having non-English intro
> pages might bring more people into Fedora.
>
> --
> Matthew Miller
>
> Fedora Project Leader
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> marketing mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:53:44PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
>
> How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list problem?
>
> There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.

There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 04/21/2016 08:57 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:53:44PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> >
> > How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list problem?
> >
> > There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> > design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here.
>
> There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
> intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
> discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.

Interesting. I wonder what the odds are of persuading the interested
parties to subscribe there?

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Sylvia Sánchez]

That would be a nice solution.

On Thursday, 21 April 2016, Joe Brockmeier  wrote:
> On 04/21/2016 08:57 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:53:44PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > > On 04/20/2016 12:52 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
> > > > This might also be interesting for Docs people.
> > >
> > > How can we have these sorts of conversations without the multi-list
>
> problem?
> > > There are several discussions that ought to involve marketing, docs,
> > > design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications
>
> here.
> > There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
> > intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
> > discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.
>
> Interesting. I wonder what the odds are of persuading the interested
> parties to subscribe there?
> --
> Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
> [e-mail] javascript:; | http://community.redhat.com/
> Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:59:23AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
> > intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
> > discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.
>
> Interesting. I wonder what the odds are of persuading the interested
> parties to subscribe there?

Sooooo, https://xkcd.com/927/ but with mailing lists. :)

[Marketing] Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:57:16AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally
> intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a
> discussion concerning all involved without cross posting.

Huh. Since the list has no description, I always just assumed that it
was about coordinating shipping and things like that.