[Fedora-marketing-list] fedora legacy

[Nicola Losito]

How comes that in these last days I've never heard a word about  
Fedora Legacy slow dying ?

I think it's a great loss, that it will affect a not so little  
portion of audience and that will need some changing in the release  
cycle of ours future releases of Fedora.

Am i the only one seeing this ?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Nicola Losito wrote:
> How comes that in these last days I've never heard a word about Fedora 
> Legacy slow dying ?

I had posted several articles on this to this list. If you are 
subscribed to fedora-legacy list or look at the archives there has been 
detailed discussions
> I think it's a great loss, that it will affect a not so little portion 
> of audience and that will need some changing in the release cycle of 
> ours future releases of Fedora.
>
> Am i the only one seeing this ?

See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraSummit/ReleaseProcess for the 
proposal to extend the lifecycle.

Rahul

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Nicola Losito wrote:
> How comes that in these last days I've never heard a word about Fedora 
> Legacy slow dying ?
>
> I think it's a great loss, that it will affect a not so little portion of 
> audience and that will need some changing in the release cycle of ours future 
> releases of Fedora.
>
> Am i the only one seeing this ?

The decision to terminate the official Fedora Legacy project was based on:

1. The decision to extend the lifespan of Fedora updates from 11 months to 
13 months starting with FC6, thus allowing people to upgrade every two 
releases instead of every single release;

2. The unfortunate fact that Fedora Legacy didn't have many volunteers, 
and wasn't keeping up;

3. The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who need 
a longer update cycle than 13 months.

Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they 
so choose.  Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own 
version of the Legacy project.  Realistically, though: without a 
substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not 
viable.  Especially when compared to CentOS.

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[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On 12/19/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who need
>
> a longer update cycle than 13 months.
>
> Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they
> so choose.  Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own
> version of the Legacy project.  Realistically, though: without a
> substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not
> viable.  Especially when compared to CentOS.

If it happens that fedora is closing down, Fedora Legacy, is there a
chance to work with Centos so that those fedora versions which were
supposed to be directed to Legacy be tuned _automatically_ to work
with centos repositories ?

Afterall Centos is also of fedora family. And that will benefit both
communities as well.

cheers,
Chitlesh

[Rahul Sundaram]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> On 12/19/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> > The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who
> >
> > need
> > a longer update cycle than 13 months.
> >
> > Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they
> > so choose.  Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own
> > version of the Legacy project.  Realistically, though: without a
> > substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not
> > viable.  Especially when compared to CentOS.
>
> If it happens that fedora is closing down, Fedora Legacy, is there a
> chance to work with Centos so that those fedora versions which were
> supposed to be directed to Legacy be tuned _automatically_ to work
> with centos repositories ?

It wont work that way. CentOS repositories since they are rebuilds of 
RHEL will likely carry older versions of software with backported fixes. 
  Pointing Fedora to CentOS repositories doesnt make any sense at all. 
They are two different variants.

Rahul

[Maxime Carron]

I don't agree.
Closing Legacy is like choosing CentOS as the community version of RH
instead of FC, and reducing FC to the testing one.
Moreover CentOS is just one of the many RH Clones!

I think this is a very bad news.

Le mardi 19 décembre 2006 à 19:44 +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH a écrit :
> On 12/19/06, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> > The emergence of CentOS as the distro of choice for most users who need
> >
> > a longer update cycle than 13 months.
> >
> > Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they
> > so choose.  Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own
> > version of the Legacy project.  Realistically, though: without a
> > substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not
> > viable.  Especially when compared to CentOS.
>
> If it happens that fedora is closing down, Fedora Legacy, is there a
> chance to work with Centos so that those fedora versions which were
> supposed to be directed to Legacy be tuned _automatically_ to work
> with centos repositories ?
>
> Afterall Centos is also of fedora family. And that will benefit both
> communities as well.
>
> cheers,
> Chitlesh
> -- 
> http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Maxime Carron wrote:
> I don't agree.
> Closing Legacy is like choosing CentOS as the community version of RH
> instead of FC, and reducing FC to the testing one.
> Moreover CentOS is just one of the many RH Clones!
>
> I think this is a very bad news.

I'm sure there are many people who will feel that way.

So here's the question: will you, Maxime, step up to the challenge and 
volunteer to maintain patches in Fedora Legacy?

Because that, friends, is the key question.  It's not as though the SRPMS 
will disappear from the face of the earth when Fedora versions are 
retired.

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[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 11:24:49AM -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
> The unfortunate fact that Fedora Legacy didn't have many volunteers,
>
> and wasn't keeping up;

It's not fair to blame the volunteers. There wasn't the right infrastructure
for volunteers, either. Chicken and egg. Possibly someone awesome and
energetic could have seized the project and ran with it (as Jesse did to
start it), but that's a lot to hope for and too much to count on.
> Not ideal -- but the community has the power to resurrect Legacy, if they 
> so choose.  Fedora Unity, for instance, could very well run their own 
> version of the Legacy project.  Realistically, though: without a 
> substantial number of Legacy volunteers, the Legacy project is just not 
> viable.  Especially when compared to CentOS.

So, maybe some stronger bridges to (and, most to the point, back *from*)
CentOS are in order....

[Jesse Keating]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:18, Matthew Miller wrote:
> It's not fair to blame the volunteers. There wasn't the right
> infrastructure for volunteers, either. Chicken and egg. Possibly someone
> awesome and energetic could have seized the project and ran with it (as
> Jesse did to start it), but that's a lot to hope for and too much to count
> on.

I don't believe the infrastructure was all that much of a problem.  People who 
came to me with interest in helping out got access to the tools to help out.  
Some learning curve, but not much.  Other people helped with filing bug 
reports, or testing packages.  Even those dropped off, which is a telling 
sign.