Time for another bumper meeting recap. I should stop sucking and do less
of these!
As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121008 ,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121015 and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121022 .
Next meeting is scheduled for 2012-10-29 at 1500 UTC in
#fedora-meeting.
If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please
add them to the Wiki page at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121029 . Thanks!
2012-10-08
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TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up
=======================================================================
* "adamw to propose a criterion covering basic (not advanced)
re-use of /home for Beta" - not done yet, sorry
* "adamw to consider revisions to 'kickstart delivery method'
criterion" - not done yet
* "tflink to ask other interested parties (anaconda team,
fesco...) to look over the beta criteria and see if there's
anything they feel should be dialled down" - not done yet
TOPIC: Release criteria proposals
=======================================================================
* Proposed changes to the upgrade criteria for Beta and Final
were accepted (see log for exact text)
TOPIC: Fedora 18 Beta status / mini blocker review
=======================================================================
* Agreed that we recommended slipping of freeze due to no
currently testable upgrade tool for F18
* Outside of the upgrade tool, install w/ RAID and/or LUKS was
another potential issue that needs re-testing
TOPIC: Open Floor
=======================================================================
N/A
ACTION ITEMS
=======================================================================
* adamw to consider revisions to 'kickstart delivery method'
criterion
* tflink to ask other interested parties (anaconda team,
fesco...) to look over the beta criteria and see if there's
anything they feel should be dialled down
2012-10-15
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TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up
=======================================================================
* "adamw to consider revisions to 'kickstart delivery method'
criterion" - Adam still didn't get enough round tuits, sorry
* "tflink to ask other interested parties (anaconda team,
fesco...) to look over the beta criteria and see if there's
anything they feel should be dialled down" - Tim posted a
thread that got some responses but it went down a detour, we
will try again
TOPIC: Fedora 18 Beta status / mini blocker review
=======================================================================
* F18 Beta TC4 landed Saturday, comes with a regression in
NetworkManager[1]
* New upgrade tool is still not testable so far as we know
* We agreed that as new upgrade tool is still not complete, QA
does not recommend freezing for Beta at this time
* See wiki page for results of mini blocker review
TOPIC: Open Floor
=======================================================================
N/A
ACTION ITEMS
=======================================================================
* tflink try again with asking other teams to review the
updated release criteria
* adamw to update fesco freeze ticket
2012-10-22
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TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up
=======================================================================
* "tflink try again with asking other teams to review the
updated release criteria" - tim forgot about this, he'll do
it now
* "adamw to update fesco freeze ticket" - this was done[2]
TOPIC: Fedora 18 Beta status / mini blocker review
=======================================================================
* The new upgrade tool was still not ready, Will says he will
have it ready this week if all goes well
* Agreed that QA still could not recommend freezing for Beta as
new upgrade tool is still not available for testing: we would
pass this recommendation to FESCo but recognize FESCo may go
against the recommendation due to time pressures
* TC6 seemed a decent build, we would continue with the
validation testing
* See wiki page for results of mini blocker review
TOPIC: Release criteria / test cases
=======================================================================
* Adam was still working on the partitioning criteria, general
agreement at the meeting that requirements for custom
partitioning should not be heavy at beta time
* Many test cases still needed revising for newui, if you feel
like helping out, please do
TOPIC: Open Floor
=======================================================================
N/A
ACTION ITEMS
=======================================================================
* adamw to report recommendation to fesco ticket
1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=866434
2. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/946#comment:14
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora
http://www.happyassassin.net
======================
#fedora-meeting: FAmNA
======================
Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-24/famna.2012-10-24…
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (inode0, 01:00:16)
* Announcements (inode0, 01:01:19)
* fedora-arm release of F18 alpha soon (inode0, 01:03:39)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:03:52)
* Tickets (inode0, 01:04:02)
* ACTION: ambassadors need to research the swag they want, get
pricing, make proposal. (masta, 01:15:41)
* AGREED: Everyone at the meeting is low on swag and would like to
know where all those new case badges are now :) (inode0, 01:21:59)
* ACTION: award3535 is going to get pricing on the conf room. (masta,
01:30:34)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013#Lodging
(inode0, 01:30:46)
* the event box was sent to cposc 2012 (masta, 01:37:35)
* Open floor! (masta, 01:38:12)
* ACTION: kk4ewt is emailing jds2001 to check on swag (kk4ewt,
01:43:13)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines
(BobJensen, 01:55:42)
Meeting ended at 02:10:02 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* ambassadors need to research the swag they want, get pricing, make
proposal.
* award3535 is going to get pricing on the conf room.
* kk4ewt is emailing jds2001 to check on swag
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* award3535
* award3535 is going to get pricing on the conf room.
* kk4ewt
* kk4ewt is emailing jds2001 to check on swag
* **UNASSIGNED**
* ambassadors need to research the swag they want, get pricing, make
proposal.
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* inode0 (81)
* nb (42)
* chanchito (38)
* masta (36)
* kk4ewt (35)
* award3535 (28)
* zodbot (9)
* dramsey (8)
* farmerrob (7)
* lh (5)
* BobJensen (1)
* lcameron (1)
John
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/famsco.2012-10-2…
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/famsco.2012-10-2…
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/famsco.2012-10-2…
Meet you again next week
Monday October 29th
at 17:00 UTC
in #fedora-meeting!
Regards,
Christoph
==================================
#fedora-meeting: FAmSCo 2012-10-22
==================================
Meeting started by cwickert at 17:01:18 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/famsco.2012-10-2…
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call (cwickert, 17:03:12)
* present: aeperezt, cwickert, herlo, Sesivany and nb; dbruno and
bckurera are not (cwickert, 17:07:19)
* EMEA Mentor Nomination: Zoltan Hoppar (zoltanh721) (cwickert,
17:08:29)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor
(cwickert, 17:10:31)
* AGREED: : zoltan721 is a new mentor for the EMEA region (cwickert,
17:29:21)
* EMEA Mentor Nomination: Gerold Kassube (geroldka) (cwickert,
17:29:41)
* AGREED: : geroldka is a new mentor for the EMEA region (cwickert,
17:30:36)
* EMEA Mentor Nomination: Kévin Raymond (shaiton) (cwickert, 17:30:48)
* AGREED: : shaiton is a new mentor for France (cwickert, 17:32:06)
* EMEA Mentor Nomination: Jiri Eischmann (eischmann) (cwickert,
17:32:23)
* AGREED: : eischmann is a new mentor for EMEA (cwickert, 17:33:36)
* EMEA Mentor Nomination: Christos Bacharakis (cmpahar) (cwickert,
17:33:44)
* AGREED: : cmaphar is a new mentor for EMEA (cwickert, 17:35:08)
* Budget review guidelines (cwickert, 17:38:33)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines
(herlo, 17:39:22)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Reimbursement
(aeperezt, 17:40:18)
* Open Floor (cwickert, 18:01:44)
* ACTION: cwickert to draft some budget guidelines based upon the NA
guidelines (cwickert, 18:02:35)
Meeting ended at 18:02:41 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* cwickert to draft some budget guidelines based upon the NA guidelines
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:32)
* As a reminder, participants are encouraged to use #info, #help,
#link liberally to make the meeting minutes more informative
(bcotton, 14:06:03)
* Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:06:12)
* ACTION: bcotton to send schedule diffs to jreznik (bcotton,
14:06:22)
* Fedora 18 schedule (bcotton, 14:06:46)
* LINK:
http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-docs-tasks.html
(bcotton, 14:06:55)
* ACTION: bcotton to poke RN wrangler volunteer to get that process
back on track (bcotton, 14:07:17)
* the Feature 100% Complete deadline is tomorrow, so things should be
fairly stable for writing at this point (bcotton, 14:08:09)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_beta_release_notes
(suehle, 14:09:49)
* HELP: suehle has started the Beta Release Notes and requests
assistance (bcotton, 14:09:52)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_beta_release_notes
(bcotton, 14:10:01)
* Release Notes (bcotton, 14:15:49)
* ignore suehle's #help in the previous topic. The "real" RN need to
happen in the next week or so (bcotton, 14:16:13)
* ausil, jjmcd, ke4qqq, nb, sgordon, Sparks, zoglesby approved for
commit to fedora-release-notes pacakge (sgordon, 14:29:12)
* LINK:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/fedora-release-notes
(sgordon, 14:29:43)
* Outstanding BZ tickets (bcotton, 14:34:58)
* LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:35:06)
* Open floor discussion (bcotton, 14:37:24)
Meeting ended at 14:46:16 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* bcotton to send schedule diffs to jreznik
* bcotton to poke RN wrangler volunteer to get that process back on
track
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bcotton
* bcotton to send schedule diffs to jreznik
* bcotton to poke RN wrangler volunteer to get that process back on
track
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* bcotton (45)
* sgordon (34)
* jjmcd (19)
* randomuser (13)
* iambryan (6)
* zodbot (5)
* Sparks (4)
* suehle (3)
* shaiton (2)
* pkovar (1)
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/fedora_docs.2012…
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/fedora_docs.2012…
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-22/fedora_docs.2012…
--
Ben Cotton
============================================
#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-10-18)
============================================
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-18/infrastructure.2…
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* welcome everyone, to fantasy island! (nirik, 18:00:01)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:03:59)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:07:38)
* new fas and pkgdb hopefully in stg today, prod tomorrow (nirik,
18:15:15)
* fedmsg migrating from zeromq2 to zeromq3 in stg. (nirik, 18:15:37)
* pingou will post cool slide from talk on fedora webapps (nirik,
18:15:51)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:16:24)
* Private Cloud status update (nirik, 18:25:25)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud#Moving_to_.22pr…
(nirik, 18:27:02)
* Security FAD update (nirik, 18:28:36)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:33:12)
* 2012-10-23 to 2012-11-06 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:33:21)
* 2012-11-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:33:22)
* 2012-11-06 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:33:22)
* 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code. (nirik,
18:33:22)
* 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due (nirik, 18:33:22)
* 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday (nirik, 18:33:22)
* 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 18:33:24)
* 2012-11-27 to 2012-12-11 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 18:33:26)
* 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter (nirik, 18:33:28)
* 2012-12-11 F18 release. (nirik, 18:33:30)
* 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. (nirik,
18:33:32)
* 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence (nirik, 18:33:34)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:34:34)
* LINK:
https://raw.github.com/ralphbean/datanommer/develop/tools/first-week-of-dat…
(threebean, 18:38:11)
Meeting ended at 18:41:28 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* nirik (106)
* smooge (21)
* abadger1999 (18)
* threebean (14)
* vernalbrat (7)
* relrod (7)
* pingou (5)
* zodbot (4)
* miguelcnf (2)
* ianweller (1)
* ctria (1)
* lmacken (1)
* Jeff_S (1)
* Spack (1)
* ricky (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* skvidal (0)
* dgilmore (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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18:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-10-18)
18:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 18 18:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:01 <nirik> #topic welcome everyone, to fantasy island!
18:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:00:44 <nirik> anyone around for another exciting fedora infrastructure meeting? ;)
18:00:51 * Spack is there
18:00:59 <smooge> here
18:01:00 * pingou here
18:01:01 <vernalbrat> VernalBrat here.
18:01:05 * abadger1999 here
18:01:09 * miguelcnf still at $work but here!
18:01:13 * threebean is here
18:01:57 <pingou> miguelcnf: same here ;)
18:02:08 * Jeff_S spying
18:02:22 <miguelcnf> pingou, we got to do what we got to do :)
18:02:24 <nirik> it's cool how in todays modern world we can be several places at once! ;)
18:02:45 * nirik will wait another short bit for folks to wander in
18:03:54 * lmacken
18:03:59 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
18:04:14 <nirik> ok, any new folks like to introduce themselves?
18:04:14 * ianweller here
18:04:14 <vernalbrat> May I?
18:04:21 <nirik> or any apprentice questions on tasks?
18:04:26 <nirik> vernalbrat: sure, go ahead. ;)
18:04:41 <vernalbrat> Hi Nirik and all
18:05:14 <vernalbrat> I'm a Linux Sys Admin guy with experience of over 5 years, and would like to help out the community
18:05:29 <vernalbrat> Would welcome any task from you...
18:05:32 <nirik> welcome vernalbrat. Are you more interested in the sysadmin side of things? or application development/maintaining?
18:05:46 <vernalbrat> SysAdmin stuffs
18:06:24 <nirik> cool. See me after the meeting and I can get you setup in our apprentice program...
18:06:34 <nirik> and welcome. ;)
18:06:43 <vernalbrat> thanks a lot!
18:06:45 <nirik> any other new folks? or apprentice questions/feedback?
18:07:30 * relrod here
18:07:30 <nirik> ok, moving on then...
18:07:38 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:07:51 <nirik> Whats the application news of the week and/or upcoming?
18:08:30 <threebean> I'm working on upgrading fedmsg from zeromq2 to zeromq3 in stg.
18:08:30 <nirik> abadger1999: pkgdb going to get another release before freeze?
18:08:46 <nirik> threebean: cool. Whats the advantage there? just more maintained/better ?
18:08:49 <pingou> I got some people working on apps during FUDCon and could make my presentation on the Fedora (web) apps nicely
18:08:51 <abadger1999> nirik: Yep. I'm uploading a package to lockbox now
18:08:54 <threebean> works almost everywhere except in bodhi (and only under mod_wsgi).. not sure why. tagger works fine under mod_wsgi.
18:09:11 <nirik> pingou: great. Did it get recorded/uploaded anywhere?
18:09:19 <abadger1999> nirik: I'll have you test whether the new features you requested work and then push it to prod.
18:09:30 <pingou> nirik: I'll blog and upload the slides at the same time, it's on the todo
18:09:37 <nirik> pingou: excellent. :)
18:09:43 <pingou> nirik: no movie though
18:09:44 <nirik> abadger1999: great.
18:09:45 <threebean> nirik: It will hopefully solve some of those weird sporadic blackout issues and give us a more efficient publish-to-the-world mechanism.
18:09:50 <abadger1999> I'm doubting that I'll get to the hide-subjects-of-bugzilla-security-bugs feature, though.
18:09:50 <nirik> relrod: whats the fas status?
18:10:19 <abadger1999> we can repush the hotfix we had before for that if that's a problem.
18:10:38 <ctria> hi sorry for being late, i finally managed to connect!
18:10:51 <nirik> welcome ctria. :)
18:11:10 <relrod> nirik: We're out of string freeze now, I need to pull in the latest translations to the repo and update staging. Thinking we can set a date to update prod fas sometime short after the upcoming freeze?
18:11:25 <relrod> *shortly
18:11:38 <nirik> relrod: after freeze? or before? I guess we could do a break for it... as long as we are pretty sure it will be safe.
18:11:44 <abadger1999> relrod: are there code changes or just translation updates?
18:12:17 <relrod> abadger1999: code changes - we've not yet updated prod from what we did the string freeze for
18:12:30 <abadger1999> relrod: I mean -- in the stg update
18:12:39 <relrod> abadger1999: oh - just translations
18:12:56 <abadger1999> relrod: okay... I'd go for getting it deployed to prod before freeze.
18:13:12 <nirik> of course we could always slip another week. ;)
18:13:20 <nirik> but currently freeze starts next tuesday
18:13:23 <abadger1999> relrod: if you want, I can make the updated package (if it's just pulling in new translations)
18:13:26 <smooge> ha!
18:13:47 <relrod> abadger1999: sure
18:14:14 <nirik> ok, any more upcoming apps news?
18:14:23 <abadger1999> relrod: Cool. I'll try and get to that today in stg, tomorrow in prod (same as pkgdb)
18:14:53 <relrod> abadger1999: cool, I'll be around quite a bit tomorrow, should be able to help
18:15:02 <nirik> sounds great.
18:15:03 <abadger1999> wfm :-)
18:15:15 <nirik> #info new fas and pkgdb hopefully in stg today, prod tomorrow
18:15:37 <nirik> #info fedmsg migrating from zeromq2 to zeromq3 in stg.
18:15:51 <nirik> #info pingou will post cool slide from talk on fedora webapps
18:16:12 <nirik> ok, moving along then...
18:16:24 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:16:47 * nirik tries to think of whats gone on/going on... so many things. ;)
18:17:05 <nirik> We are doing some prelim testing of the new vfiler storage in phx2.
18:17:19 <nirik> still working on next years budget.
18:17:40 <nirik> I am working on migrating collab03 (our lists and soby server) to a new pair (collab01/02)
18:17:52 <nirik> not sure if I want to try and get that in before freeze or not.
18:18:13 <nirik> We are working on our ansible setup more.
18:18:55 <nirik> I've moved the wiki in stg to use a simple captcha
18:19:12 <nirik> I'll try and move that to production before freeze if testing looks ok. So, we may see more spam.
18:19:40 * nirik can't think of too much else off hand.
18:19:52 <nirik> anything more on the sysadmin side of things?
18:19:53 <smooge> okie dokie
18:20:06 <abadger1999> start thinking of an ansible howto for fudcon? ;-)
18:20:09 <smooge> I am going to clean up puppet so we can put a fork in it
18:20:13 <threebean> any idea if we're really heading towards ansible and away from puppet?
18:20:30 <nirik> threebean: I think longer term yeah, but it will not be any kind of quick/instant
18:20:58 <smooge> oh I don't know.. at seths rate I expect November 23
18:21:03 <nirik> ha. ;)
18:21:11 <nirik> I think we might be able to look at replacing func first...
18:21:24 <threebean> ok. I'd like to help port anything I'm responsible for over (so I know how it'll work in ansible for maintenance purposes). I still have to get around to learning the ABCs, though.
18:21:37 <nirik> since ansible should be able to do everything func does, and we can not run a funcd on every single host then. ;)
18:21:46 <smooge> yep
18:21:52 <nirik> yeah, we may want a irc learning session on it soon.
18:22:01 <nirik> the docs are pretty good upstream, and our public repo is... public. ;)
18:22:29 <nirik> but there's still things to work out... how to organize things, how often to run it, etc.
18:23:00 <nirik> but we are slowly getting further I think. progress is being made. ;)
18:23:10 <threebean> :)
18:23:48 <nirik> perhaps if we ever freeze, a bit of ansible learning would be good.
18:24:15 <smooge> my goal on the puppet stuff is to find and mark all the cargo cult bits.
18:24:39 <smooge> that way we can either document as "voodoo.. 2 chickens and a bottle of rum needed" or rework.
18:24:45 <nirik> yeah, thats another thing... when we move something to ansible we should really visit if it's setup in the best way... or if it's just historical
18:24:49 <nirik> yep.
18:25:14 <nirik> ok, moving along then if there's nothing else on this...
18:25:25 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update
18:25:47 <nirik> Our euca cloud got upgraded, seems to be running fine.
18:26:07 <nirik> We are still gathering use cases and figuring out best setup here too.
18:26:28 <nirik> I'll probibly be re-installing our openstack cloudlet in early november when folsom packages come out.
18:26:41 <nirik> until then it should be up and running ok for people to test with as well
18:27:00 <nirik> I added a bunch of items we need to solve before we call either of them "production"
18:27:02 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud#Moving_to_.22pr…
18:27:23 <nirik> please do add items there, or strike through ones you know we have solved.
18:28:02 <nirik> Any cloudy questions / thoughts?
18:28:36 <nirik> #topic Security FAD update
18:28:50 <nirik> We will be talking to folks about budget and such early next week.
18:29:03 <nirik> and hopefully everything will be more concrete after that. :)
18:29:30 <nirik> It's now just at the start of final freeze. ;) One more week slip and we will be out of freeze for it. ;)
18:29:30 <smooge> YAY
18:29:36 <smooge> I come with glad tidings
18:30:03 <smooge> We have a budget now (as of 30 minutes ago) and rooms are going to be booked
18:30:08 <nirik> cool
18:30:14 * nirik cheers.
18:30:21 <smooge> People going are to book their plane trips as soon as I find out who they send reimbursements to
18:30:57 <smooge> I hope to have an answer later today.
18:31:20 <nirik> great. ;)
18:31:22 <nirik> thanks smooge
18:31:26 <abadger1999> smooge: Great work!
18:32:11 <smooge> next up. I learn our new Enterprise Booking System to start filing receipts and such
18:32:25 <smooge> expect my insanity to peak
18:32:33 <nirik> heh. :)
18:32:38 <nirik> ok, anything else on FAD?
18:33:12 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:33:20 <nirik> info dump time...
18:33:21 <nirik> #info 2012-10-23 to 2012-11-06 F18 Beta Freeze
18:33:22 <nirik> #info 2012-11-01 nag fi-apprentices
18:33:22 <nirik> #info 2012-11-06 F18 Beta release
18:33:22 <nirik> #info 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code.
18:33:22 <nirik> #info 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due
18:33:22 <nirik> #info 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday
18:33:24 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD
18:33:26 <nirik> #info 2012-11-27 to 2012-12-11 F18 Final Freeze
18:33:28 <nirik> #info 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter
18:33:30 <nirik> #info 2012-12-11 F18 release.
18:33:32 <nirik> #info 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays.
18:33:34 <nirik> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence
18:33:36 <nirik> anything else we need to schedule or note?
18:34:28 <nirik> ok
18:34:34 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:34:36 <abadger1999> question:
18:34:39 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor?
18:34:48 <smooge> abadger1999, seems to
18:34:55 <abadger1999> how are we doing on: 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code.
18:35:18 <abadger1999> is the placeholder written?
18:35:29 <smooge> not yet...
18:35:46 <nirik> abadger1999: good question... I don't think so, I have not heard anything on it.
18:36:18 <nirik> puiterwijk hasn't been around of late.
18:36:23 <abadger1999> nirik: Would you like to ping puiterwijk and if he doesn't have time, let me know... I'll work on it over freeze.
18:36:23 <nirik> I can drop him an email...
18:36:29 <abadger1999> Cool.
18:36:29 <nirik> ok, can do.
18:38:04 <threebean> Kind of neat, I graphed the first week of datanommer fedmsg data.
18:38:11 <threebean> https://raw.github.com/ralphbean/datanommer/develop/tools/first-week-of-dat…
18:38:23 <nirik> I have had exactly 1 email about smolt retirement... they asked why we would retire smolt before it's replacement was ready. I answered them but got no reply.
18:38:39 <nirik> yeah, very cool. I assume thats production?
18:38:41 <smooge> now you need to feed it into an rrdtool like graph
18:38:54 * threebean nods
18:39:01 <threebean> smooge: good idea
18:39:02 <nirik> and make each event type it's own color/line.
18:39:22 <threebean> hmm.. let's just write a collectd plugin?
18:39:24 <smooge> oooh can we argue over colours next time?
18:39:32 <nirik> and put it on a 3d fly thru. ;)
18:39:50 <smooge> and I get to play a y-wing over it
18:39:51 <nirik> collectd plugin might be cool. Not sure how hard they are to write.
18:40:06 <threebean> will find out :)
18:40:35 <threebean> we need one to monitor fedmsg file descriptors too, eventually.
18:40:46 <nirik> ok, anything else from anyone? questions, comments, rants? :)
18:41:05 <smooge> none from me
18:41:25 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone... Keep up all the great work!
18:41:28 <nirik> #endmeeting
Present:
* Peter Robinson
* John Rose
* Christoph Wickert
* Jaroslav Reznik
* Toshio Kuratomi
* Garrett Holmstrom
Absent:
* David Nalley
* Nick Bebout
Regrets:
* Eric Christensen
* Robyn Bergeron
Today's lucky secretary: Toshio Kuratomi
=======================================
Agenda:
* Announcements
** F18 slipped another week. New target is 2012-11-06 for Beta, 2012-12-11 for GA
** FUDCon Paris
*** cwickert and probinson reports: Very successful
*** keynote filled with information and vision for future of fedora
*** First day that was cohosted with openworld was more focused on people who hadn't heard of Fedora yet than on enabling current contributors to do work
*** Monday Hackfest very productive -- people working even on Monday evening (last day)
*** Discussed many budget items
*** xfce work was worked on
** elections -- scheduling is getting harder due to the release slipping
*** Release is pushing up against the Christmas/New Years holidays.
*** That probably pushes the Board election to after the holidays -- if we keep slipping it starts to get us close to FUDCon
*** Could move the townhalls, nominations, etc to before the release and leave elections to after
**** Worry that would be pulling people who are working on release off to "campaign"
*** Also worry about fairness of some people having longer terms due to period between some releases being longer
*** Neither Board or FESCo have seemed to have difficulties with dates as long as they're not putting off the elections for a long period
*** inode0 to touch base with Ankur (Election Wrangler) and Jaroslav to figure out a proposed schedule
* Fedora 19 proposed names review
** http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_19
** We'll finish up next week's meeting
** This week we'll look at non grey areas:
*** Not an is-a relationship
*** Possible problems with trademark (see suggestions page for guidelines)
** Toshio to divide out the list to all Board Members
== Open Floor ==
=== Are we losing users? ===
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Total_repository_connections
* F15 took a large hit and we haven't recovered
** Listing of the technology changes that went into F15: gnome3, systemd
** Also F14 was the last release before RHEL6 was released.
* Have we really lost users? (The statistics seem accurate at what they're measuring)
* Seeing large amount of enthusiasm at conferences which is a contrasting view to this
* Next: Public IRC meeting 2012-10-24
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#fedora-qa: f18beta-blocker-review-4
====================================
We were able to get through all of the bugs needed this week and no
meeting is scheduled for tomorrow!
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-17/f18beta-blocker-revie…
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-17/f18beta-blocker-revie…
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-17/f18beta-blocker-revie…
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (tflink, 16:00:31)
* Introduction (tflink, 16:12:47)
* Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and
nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor
the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have
bugs. (tflink, 16:12:57)
* We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:13:04)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
(tflink, 16:13:04)
* The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:13:10)
* LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink,
16:13:10)
* The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink,
16:13:15)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 16:13:16)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 16:13:16)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 16:13:16)
* Up for review today we have: (tflink, 16:13:36)
* 15 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:13:39)
* 23 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:13:39)
* 1 Proposed NTH (tflink, 16:13:39)
* 9 Accepted NTH (tflink, 16:13:39)
* (862784) error: rpmdb open failed (tflink, 16:14:57)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862784 (tflink,
16:14:57)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:14:57)
* AGREED: 862784 - We're still waiting on criteria changes in order to
make a decision, will re-visit once the criteria changes have gone
through (tflink, 16:36:48)
* (865776) kernel pair boot with inst.repo=nfs: hangs on reboot
(tflink, 16:36:57)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=865776 (tflink,
16:36:57)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:36:57)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824191 is the f17
bug (adamw, 16:45:23)
* AGREED: 865776 - RejectedBlocker (beta) - This doesn't clearly
violate any of the F18 beta release criteria, would affect a
minority of users and results in a working system after forcing
reboot. Please re-propose if something changes or has been
misunderstood. (tflink, 16:52:05)
* (866519) BIOS RAID is not shown on harddrive screen (tflink,
16:52:14)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866519 (tflink,
16:52:15)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:52:15)
* AGREED: 866519 - We need more information on the types of
configurations affected before deciding on blocker status. Another
reporter would be preferred (tflink, 17:03:26)
* (866730) invalid locales configured for some languages (tflink,
17:03:36)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866730 (tflink,
17:03:36)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:03:36)
* AGREED: 866730 - RejectedBlocker (beta), AcceptedNTH - This is a
conditional criteria violation for a limited number of languages but
was deemed to be not enough languages to block for beta. However, a
well-tested fix would be considered past freeze (tflink, 17:07:42)
* (867071) NameError: global name 'anaconda' is not defined (tflink,
17:07:50)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=867071 (tflink,
17:07:50)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, VERIFIED (tflink, 17:07:51)
* AGREED: 867071 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha
release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an
installation using automatic partitioning to any sufficiently large
target disk, whether unformatted, empty, or containing any kind of
existing data" (tflink, 17:15:00)
* (865073) DependencyError: [u'1:totem-nautilus-3.6.0-1.fc18.x86_64
requires totem = 1:3.6.0-1.fc18'] (tflink, 17:15:12)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=865073 (tflink,
17:15:15)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 17:15:17)
* AGREED: 865073 - RejectedBlocker - This only happens when there are
dependency issues in the DVD or repos used for install. As such,
specific issues would be caught elsewhere and this doesn't need to
be a blocker for F18 beta (tflink, 17:23:03)
* (866101) redundancy selection for btrfs device results in raid0, not
raid1 (tflink, 17:23:09)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866101 (tflink,
17:23:12)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:23:15)
* AGREED: 866101 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - While not
specifically stated, software raid as written in the criteria
implies mdraid, not btrfs and thus, this isn't a blocker. However, a
well tested fix would be considered past freeze. (tflink, 17:34:18)
* (867296) NameError: global name 'gtk_call_once' is not defined
(tflink, 17:36:56)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=867296 (tflink,
17:36:56)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:36:56)
* LINK: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/qa/18/ (tflink,
17:40:33)
* AGREED: 867296 - There is nowhere near enough information in this
bug to figure out what happened, much less whether it's a blocker.
Will re-visit when there is more information available (tflink,
17:43:50)
* (856362) KeyError: 'la-latin1' (tflink, 17:44:04)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856362 (tflink,
17:44:04)
* Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:44:04)
* AGREED: 856362 - Since we still don't have an upgrade tool to test,
there is no way to test whether this bug violates the F18 upgrade
criterion. Will revisit once there is an upgrade tool to test
(tflink, 17:48:40)
* (864981) BootLoaderError: bootloader install failed (tflink,
17:49:00)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864981 (tflink,
17:49:00)
* Proposed Blocker, grub2, NEW (tflink, 17:49:00)
* AGREED: 864981 - RejectedBlocker - With the currently available
information, this does not clearly hit any release criteria and
seems to be an issue with a strange disk layout. If this turns out
to be more common or more information becomes available, please
re-propose as a blocker. (tflink, 17:56:06)
* (865009) GString mem alloc crashes after dbus op (tflink, 17:56:13)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=865009 (tflink,
17:56:13)
* Proposed Blocker, NetworkManager, ON_QA (tflink, 17:56:13)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866434 (tflink,
17:58:37)
* AGREED: 865009 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - While this is a
valid install issue, the available information makes it seem like
not enough installs would be affected to justify blocking beta
release. (tflink, 18:04:03)
* (866441) TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable (tflink,
18:06:05)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866441 (tflink,
18:06:05)
* Proposed Blocker, python-meh, POST (tflink, 18:06:05)
* AGREED: 866441 - RejectedBlocker (beta), AcceptedNTH - While this is
a conditional violation of the following F18 alpha criterion, it
wasn't deemed common enough to justify blocking beta for it but a
tested fix would be considered past freeze for F18 beta. "The
installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local
disk, with appropriate information included" (tflink, 18:15:20)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864204 (tflink,
18:16:52)
* Proposed Blocker, yum, NEW (tflink, 18:16:55)
* AGREED: 866441 - RejectedBlocker - As there is still no clear cause
or reproducer for this and there have been no additional reports,
this is rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. If it turns out to be
more common or sever than currently understood, please repropose as
a blocker with details on how to reproduce. (tflink, 18:24:49)
* (863348) ValueError: Cannot remove non-leaf device 'vda2' (tflink,
18:29:29)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863348 (tflink,
18:29:29)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 18:29:29)
* the patch for this bug still needs review (tflink, 18:34:05)
* anaconda team is aware of the patch, is working on it (tflink,
18:34:34)
* (864360) gpt isn't automatically created on UEFI system (tflink,
18:34:47)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864360 (tflink,
18:34:47)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:34:47)
* no movement on this bug since last week (tflink, 18:35:27)
* will poke devs on status of fix (tflink, 18:36:39)
* (866115) ValueError: ('invalid size specification', '0 b') (tflink,
18:36:49)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866115 (tflink,
18:36:49)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 18:36:49)
* the update from c#22 is reported to fix this, still waiting patch
review (tflink, 18:37:45)
* will poke devs in bug (tflink, 18:38:08)
* (862613) ValueError: cannot initialize a disk that has partitions
(tflink, 18:38:18)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862613 (tflink,
18:38:19)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 18:38:19)
* this might be the same as 866895, another bug is preventing reporter
from re-testing (tflink, 18:39:27)
* reporter will retest with TC5 (tflink, 18:40:18)
* (864120) LUKS encryption option has no effect (tflink, 18:40:30)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864120 (tflink,
18:40:30)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:40:30)
* it appears as if the original issue has been fixed and another issue
has been added on to it (tflink, 18:42:40)
* move bug to CLOSED and ask new reporter to file another bug with the
new issue (tflink, 18:43:12)
* (864771) KeyError: PartitionDevice instance (0x7f0f28b016d0) (tflink,
18:44:20)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864771 (tflink,
18:44:20)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:44:20)
* a fix for this bug is available but needs testing before it is moved
to VERIFIED (tflink, 18:45:12)
* (863451) AttributeError: 'DeviceFormat' object has no attribute
'peStart' (tflink, 18:45:21)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863451 (tflink,
18:45:24)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 18:45:27)
* no movement on this bug in the last week (tflink, 18:46:15)
* will poke devs in bug for status update (tflink, 18:46:30)
* (855526) f18a tc6 anaconda cannot connect to a protected wireless
network (tflink, 18:47:08)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855526 (tflink,
18:47:11)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:47:14)
* a fix is available for this bug (tflink, 18:47:51)
* needs testing before it is moved to VERIFIED (tflink, 18:48:02)
* (853877) anaconda ignores keyboard settings (tflink, 18:49:09)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=853877 (tflink,
18:49:09)
* Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:49:09)
* this was moved to MODIFIED on 2012-10-12 but no fixed_in_version was
set (tflink, 18:51:34)
* clarify with devs on whether the fix has been pushed and if there is
a build available to test (tflink, 18:52:06)
* (864765) mkfs.btrfs SIGABRT at OS install time (tflink, 18:52:19)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864765 (tflink,
18:52:19)
* Accepted Blocker, btrfs-progs, NEW (tflink, 18:52:19)
* a new build of btrfs-progs is available for testing (tflink,
18:53:17)
* ACTION: tflink to pull in the brtfs-progs scratch build into the
next smoketest iso (tflink, 18:53:52)
* (864058) anaconda main menu not visible in F18 Beta TC2 KDE Live
(tflink, 18:54:09)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864058 (tflink,
18:54:09)
* Accepted Blocker, gtk3, NEW (tflink, 18:54:09)
* a fix is available, needs testing with KDE livecd (tflink,
18:55:16)
* Open Floor (tflink, 18:58:35)
* The next F18 beta blocker review will be 2012-10-24 @ 16:00 UTC
(tflink, 19:00:17)
Meeting ended at 19:01:35 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* tflink to pull in the brtfs-progs scratch build into the next
smoketest iso
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* tflink
* tflink to pull in the brtfs-progs scratch build into the next
smoketest iso
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Meeting summary
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* init process (mitr, 17:00:57)
* #932 F18 Features - progress at Feature Freeze (mitr, 17:06:14)
* #946 Fedora 18 Beta freeze readiness: is major functionality in place?
(mitr, 17:08:52)
* #950 Cleanup of the default enabled services list (mitr, 17:11:50)
* AGREED: Will revisit when there is a list of specific changes
(mitr, 17:17:30)
* #958 Exception for updating ecj across major version boundary in f17
(mitr, 17:17:45)
* AGREED: ecj major update in F17 is OK (+7) (mitr, 17:20:47)
* #959 Mediation needed for cobbler in EPEL (mitr, 17:20:55)
* AGREED: : Please ask epel-devel for a decision, and reopen a ticket
if that doesn't lead to a resolution (+5) (mitr, 17:33:02)
* Next week's chair (mitr, 17:33:09)
* limburgher will chair the Oct 24 meeting (mitr, 17:34:47)
* Open Floor (mitr, 17:34:52)
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