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FAmSco meeting 2012-02-29 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 29 Feb '12

29 Feb '12

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-29/famsco.2012-02-2… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-29/famsco.2012-02-2… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-29/famsco.2012-02-2… Meet you again next week Wednesday, March 7th at 22:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting! Regards, Christoph ================================== #fedora-meeting: FAmSCo 2012-22-29 ================================== Meeting started by cwickert at 22:00:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-29/famsco.2012-02-2… . Meeting summary --------------- * herlo and yn1v sent regrets and cannot attend (cwickert, 22:05:54) * Swag shipping improvements (cwickert, 22:06:38) * ACTION: kaio to add info on how swag works (or not) in APAC to the ticket (cwickert, 22:16:03) * Budget and reimbursement issues (cwickert, 22:16:24) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798014 (rbergeron, 22:18:04) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/draftbudget/ (rbergeron, 22:18:41) * ACTION: cwickert to review https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798014 (cwickert, 22:18:49) * New FAmSco election rules (cwickert, 22:21:17) * FUDCon bids 2012 (cwickert, 22:23:56) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:APAC_2012_Bid_Malaysia (KageSenshi, 22:25:48) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList#Malaysia_.286.29 (cwickert, 22:27:58) * Ambassador Membership Request by a Candidate with a legacy (cwickert, 23:02:53) * New trademark guidelines and their impact on the ambassadors swag production (cwickert, 23:07:36) * ACTION: all FAmSCo members to read https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft - expecially https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft#Ambassador_g… and add their opinion in ticket 264 (cwickert, 23:09:19) * Sponsoring event attendees (cwickert, 23:09:33) * LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-February/01135… (inode0, 23:14:10) * ACTION: inode0 to outline his ideas in ticket 265 a little (cwickert, 23:21:44) * Action items from previous meeting (cwickert, 23:22:26) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/famsco_2012-02-2… (cwickert, 23:22:34) * Open Floor (cwickert, 23:26:57) Meeting ended at 23:30:45 UTC.

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Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting Minutes/Log from 2012-02-29
by Tom Callaway 29 Feb '12

29 Feb '12

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-29/fpc.2012-02-29… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-29/fpc.2012-02-29… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-29/fpc.2012-02-29… ~tom == Fedora Project

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FAmNA Meeting (29 February 2012)
by inode0 28 Feb '12

28 Feb '12

#fedora-meeting: FAmNA Meeting started by inode0 at 02:00:03 UTC (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-29/famna.2012-02-29…) Meeting summary Roll Call (inode0, 02:00:22) Announcements (inode0, 02:02:27) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-February/003044.html (inode0, 02:03:07) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-February/003043.html (inode0, 02:03:54) Tickets (inode0, 02:07:24) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/famna.2012-02-22… (inode0, 02:08:02) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PyCon_US_2012 (inode0, 02:08:51) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Northeast_Linuxfest_2012 (inode0, 02:09:28) ACTION: nb and chanchito will sort out swag for NELF in addition to that from DemonJester (inode0, 02:16:33) https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 02:18:48) ACTION: inode0 aborts ABLEconf (inode0, 02:29:19) talk submissions are open for SELF, OLF, and others - please consider submitting (inode0, 02:57:34) Open Floor (inode0, 02:58:00) Meeting ended at 03:02:25 UTC (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-29/famna.2012-02-29…) Action items nb and chanchito will sort out swag for NELF in addition to that from DemonJester inode0 aborts ABLEconf Action items, by person chanchito nb and chanchito will sort out swag for NELF in addition to that from DemonJester inode0 inode0 aborts ABLEconf nb nb and chanchito will sort out swag for NELF in addition to that from DemonJester People present (lines said) inode0 (121) chanchito (34) rbergeron (22) zodbot (21) makfinsky (21) NiveusLuna (21) nb (13) graphite6 (12) award3535 (6) Zethrus (3) SGS (1) Sonar_Gal (1) John

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2012-02-27 at 18UTC)
by Kevin Fenzi 27 Feb '12

27 Feb '12

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-02-27) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-27/fesco.2012-02-27… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:01) * #799 Issues with maintainer responsiveness (clamav) (nirik, 18:02:30) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787434#c23 seems like a good reason not to rush changing things (mitr, 18:04:32) * AGREED: close ticket and ask for reporter to reopen with a real violation, or with a specific use case (as opposed to a single configuration item) that is broken by this packaging (nirik, 18:16:06) * #802 F17 Features - progress at Feature Freeze (nirik, 18:16:25) * LINK: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2012-02/msg01219.html (nirik, 18:23:14) * ACTION: check on RealHotSpot / NMEnterprisenetworking and close ticket. (nirik, 18:24:56) * #803 Add johannbg to provenpackager explicitly to work on sysv2systemd conversion (nirik, 18:25:32) * AGREED: The proposal doesn't pass. (nirik, 18:44:22) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/Features/SysVtoSystemd-F17 (nirik, 18:45:55) * #806 Request for exception for iptables and ip6tables to provide a small init script (nirik, 18:47:25) * AGREED: ask FPC if we can add to systemd guidelines to allow for non standard service commands to continue to work in a systemd world. (nirik, 19:05:29) * ACTION: nirik to file a FPC ticket asking for them to look into this. (nirik, 19:06:22) * #810 Clarify our position on forks (nirik, 19:06:51) * AGREED: forks are allowed provided they do not conflict or interfere with other packages. FPC may add additional guidelines to forks as they see fit" (nirik, 19:21:38) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:21:47) * ACTION: limburgher will announce systemd migrations for f17 accepted until Beta, include link to BZ list and invite PP assistance. (limburgher, 19:27:57) * AGREED: for ibus (ticket 798): treat other cases (e.g. ibus running in en_US) as bugs, no FESCo decission necessary (nirik, 19:36:12) * ACTION: notting to chair next week. (nirik, 19:41:13) Meeting ended at 19:41:22 UTC. Action Items ------------ * check on RealHotSpot / NMEnterprisenetworking and close ticket. * nirik to file a FPC ticket asking for them to look into this. * limburgher will announce systemd migrations for f17 accepted until Beta, include link to BZ list and invite PP assistance. * notting to chair next week. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * limburgher * limburgher will announce systemd migrations for f17 accepted until Beta, include link to BZ list and invite PP assistance. * nirik * nirik to file a FPC ticket asking for them to look into this. * notting * notting to chair next week. * **UNASSIGNED** * check on RealHotSpot / NMEnterprisenetworking and close ticket. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (135) * mitr (61) * mjg59 (51) * sgallagh (51) * pjones (36) * notting (36) * Viking-Ice (30) * limburgher (25) * t8m (19) * zodbot (10) * rbergeron (7) * tibbs (4) * drago01 (2) * OzBorne (1) * mmaslano (0) -- 18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2012-02-27) 18:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Feb 27 18:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 18:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:00:01 <nirik> #chair notting nirik mjg59 mmaslano t8m pjones sgallagh mitr limburgher 18:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: limburgher mitr mjg59 mmaslano nirik notting pjones sgallagh t8m 18:00:09 <nirik> who all is around for a fesco meeting? 18:00:12 * notting is here 18:00:13 <t8m> Hi 18:00:15 <pjones> I am here this time. 18:00:16 * sgallagh waves 18:00:24 <pjones> (sorry about last week; was busy saving the world.) 18:00:24 <mitr> Hello all 18:00:54 <mjg59> Hi 18:01:13 <nirik> pjones: cool. I like the world... 18:01:50 <sgallagh> I'd rather we gave up on this one and started exploring other worlds 18:02:25 <pjones> sgallagh: noted. 18:02:27 <nirik> ok, shall we go ahead and get started? 18:02:30 <nirik> #topic #799 Issues with maintainer responsiveness (clamav) 18:02:30 <nirik> .fesco 799 18:02:32 <zodbot> nirik: #799 (Issues with maintainer responsiveness (clamav)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/799 18:02:48 * limburgher here 18:03:05 <sgallagh> So it does look like there are actual packaging violations at play here, if I read it correctly 18:03:07 <nirik> so, I don't see any comment from the maintainer... which is sad. 18:03:25 <pjones> sgallagh: also the bullshit watermark is pretty high 18:03:46 <sgallagh> pjones: Sorry, ambiguous. Whose bullshit are you referring to? 18:03:58 <pjones> oh wait, was looking at the wrong ticket. sorry. 18:04:04 <mitr> sgallagh: If you are referring to comment#9, I can't see that these are actually violations 18:04:32 <mitr> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787434#c23 seems like a good reason not to rush changing things 18:05:33 <sgallagh> mitr: That reads more like "the approach will be ineffective" not harmful 18:05:48 <sgallagh> Because it won't work for existing installations, especially those using config management 18:06:21 <mitr> sgallagh: opening up the file permissions but restricting the config file only on new installations => upgrades are insecure, IIUC 18:06:25 <nirik> people using config management need to handle things themselves... we can't never change config for them. 18:07:01 <sgallagh> I'm inclined to agree that we shouldn't try to change config in %post anyway 18:07:24 <sgallagh> That this has changed should be called out in the bodhi update text 18:07:27 <nirik> so, what do we want to do here? look at appointing someone to mediate that could look at both sides? 18:07:46 <sgallagh> Do we have a FESCo member with ClamAV experience? 18:08:01 <sgallagh> (also, the lack of response from the maintainer may make this difficult) 18:08:13 <limburgher> Some, not too in depth. 18:08:19 <mitr> sgallagh: ensc did update the clamd-README .... but didn't add the required rationale 18:08:19 <nirik> I dislike/can't stand the current fedora clamav spec. 18:08:26 <limburgher> Used to run it on my old email server. 18:08:27 <nirik> so, I would likely not be unbiased. 18:08:54 <mjg59> Are we still at the point that what we have is a disagreement over packaging without any specific complaints about policy violation? 18:09:06 <mjg59> specific *and* justifiable, that is 18:09:14 <t8m> I think so 18:09:19 <limburgher> That's my interpretation. 18:09:43 <mjg59> And we're being asked to overrule the maintainer? 18:09:44 <nirik> I asked for specifics in the ticket. 18:10:06 <pjones> if there are yet to be specifics produced, it's really not clear that it's our problem to solve. 18:10:11 <mjg59> Can we just punt this until there are actual specifics? 18:10:15 <nirik> the first one doesn't seem a violation... the second seems like a bug. 18:10:31 <mjg59> Because right now for better or for worse we tend to let maintainers do their thing on the assumption that they know how to do their thing 18:10:40 <sgallagh> My personal view: I don't like the way ClamAV is packaged, but if it works for the primary maintainer, we should just let it continue as-is. 18:10:49 <t8m> sgallagh, +1 18:10:51 <mjg59> And if they're not breaking other packages in the process then hey go wild 18:11:02 <mitr> The second one is not a violation either - the updates policy mandate "don't change user experience" is not applicable to how things are packaged in general, unless they changed in an updated 18:11:21 <mjg59> Yeah, it seems like an F15->F16 change 18:11:24 <mjg59> Not an update 18:11:27 <t8m> yes 18:11:42 <limburgher> So then it's acceptable, esp. if it's in the relnotes. 18:11:55 * nirik is looking for that commit 18:12:31 <mitr> "not breaking other packages" is not enough IMHO - it should also not be breaking legitimate use cases. But it seems that the current packaging does make it possible to do what philipp wants to do, although in a different way. 18:12:49 <pjones> it does kindof suck, but... if FPC doesn't want that to be true, they have the power. Until then, there's no real reason for intervention. 18:13:41 <nirik> ok, so does anyone wish to propose an action here? defer ? ask for a specific violation? close? 18:13:43 <notting> if no one from fesco would like to volunteer, should we tap a third-party in the community to adjudicate? 18:13:57 <sgallagh> Proposal: Not our problem. WONTFIX. 18:13:58 * nirik would be fine with a mediator if we could find one. 18:15:04 <mitr> +1 to sgallah, perhaps softening that to "reopen with a real violation, or with a specific use case (as opposed to a single configuration item) that is broken by this packaging" 18:15:10 <mjg59> +1 18:15:14 <notting> +1 18:15:27 <limburgher> +1 18:15:33 <t8m> +1 18:15:40 <sgallagh> +1 to the rewording 18:15:49 * nirik is ok with that I guess... +1 18:15:58 <sgallagh> My tact-processor has been on the fritz lately 18:16:06 <nirik> #agreed close ticket and ask for reporter to reopen with a real violation, or with a specific use case (as opposed to a single configuration item) that is broken by this packaging 18:16:13 * mitr fully expects the ticket to be reopened... 18:16:20 * nirik too 18:16:25 <nirik> #topic #802 F17 Features - progress at Feature Freeze 18:16:25 <nirik> .fesco 802 18:16:26 <zodbot> nirik: #802 (F17 Features - progress at Feature Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/802 18:16:29 <pjones> +1 18:16:43 <pjones> not to progress at feature freeze, obviously. 18:16:48 <mitr> #note FESco required rationale for the current packaging, which has not been documented yet 18:16:51 <nirik> so, did we get all our reports in? did we want to move things/check if they all moved? 18:18:27 <rbergeron> pjones: LOL 18:18:37 <mitr> NMEnterpriseNetworking eems to be the only unknown on th e critical list 18:18:59 <pjones> rbergeron: well, it didn't seem like it's the sort of thing you can really be for or against ;) 18:19:23 <sgallagh> FWIW, the issue with systemd and PrivateTmp has been resolved last week 18:19:33 <rbergeron> pjones: mustard! 18:19:42 <rbergeron> enterprise networking got updated to 75% 18:19:48 <sgallagh> pjones: Sure you can be against progress. For reference, see any politician. 18:19:53 <rbergeron> on 2/24 18:19:57 * rbergeron is failing to raise her hand, sorry 18:20:15 <zodbot> Beefy Miracle: The mustard indicates progress. 18:20:25 * nirik notes https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RealHotspot still says f17 at 30%... 18:20:32 <nirik> I think it's really gonna have to go to f18. 18:20:36 <pjones> sgallagh: that's progress as an action; this is progress as a question. 18:21:04 <nirik> I can ask dcbw for sure. 18:21:11 <nirik> and NMEnterprise. 18:21:18 <nirik> Do we have any other outstanding ones? 18:21:49 <rbergeron> not from the fesco list, i don't think; I'm still making progress with the Shiny stuff. 18:22:00 <mitr> More importantly, are there any we need to worry about? 18:22:01 * rbergeron really thanks everyone for their wrangling assistance here 18:22:16 * mitr has heard something about more rebuilds necessary for gcc 4.7 18:22:24 <nirik> shall we leave this ticket open to keep tracking? or close now? 18:22:28 <nirik> mitr: yeah, sadly. ;( 18:22:58 <sgallagh> nirik: Let's leave it open until we have an answer on RealHotspot, but then close it. 18:23:02 <notting> correct, there was an unintentional C++ ABI break that needed fixed, which requires rebuilding 18:23:14 <nirik> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2012-02/msg01219.html 18:23:27 <nirik> sgallagh: sounds fine to me. 18:23:28 <sgallagh> notting: Only C++ packages? 18:23:47 <notting> sgallagh: correct. (and only C++ ones that use a specific feature/class/etc) 18:23:53 <sgallagh> ok 18:23:59 <sgallagh> So rebuilds, not mass-rebuilds 18:24:33 <nirik> dgilmore was going to identify the packages and rebuild them 18:24:35 <notting> *shrug* it's a matter of how much mass 18:24:56 <nirik> #action check on RealHotSpot / NMEnterprisenetworking and close ticket. 18:25:01 <nirik> anything else on this one? 18:25:31 <nirik> ok, on to new business... 18:25:32 <nirik> #topic #803 Add johannbg to provenpackager explicitly to work on sysv2systemd conversion 18:25:32 <nirik> .fesco 803 18:25:33 <zodbot> nirik: #803 (Add johannbg to provenpackager explicitly to work on sysv2systemd conversion) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/803 18:26:00 <nirik> Viking-Ice: you around? anything you want to note here? 18:26:10 <sgallagh> I wish someone had asked Johann before we filed this ticket. But I'm in favor of granting him this privilege. 18:26:23 <nirik> mmaslano has a -1 in ticket. 18:26:26 <sgallagh> I know mmaslano had some reservations about his collaboration 18:26:32 <sgallagh> yeah 18:27:01 <Viking-Ice> not really 18:27:07 <mitr> This is clearly a second best to maintainers caring about their packages... 18:27:39 <mitr> ... but then, when the maintainers don't care, I can't see a good cause for preventing other people from changing the packages. 18:27:53 <sgallagh> Yeah, that's my opinion to a tee 18:27:59 * nirik nods. 18:28:05 <Viking-Ice> the problem we are faced with are clearly outlined in that ticket and by adding me to the pool of proven packagers results in less time to migrate more time to package instead 18:28:05 <sgallagh> Maintainers have had plenty of time to make this change themselve. 18:28:12 <mitr> (note that this is only an "enablement", not a "request to do more work", at least the way I read the ticket) 18:28:15 <nirik> I think there's a lot of 'I'll apply this when I have time to look and understand systemd' and that time never comes. 18:28:26 <notting> mitr: would seem sort of odd to do enablement w/o expectation 18:28:38 <nirik> Viking-Ice: how many more are around to migrate/ 18:28:57 <mitr> notting: The ticket is sort of odd :) 18:29:22 <nirik> I guess we also didn't send this to sponsors for feedback? 18:29:25 <nirik> or did we 18:29:33 <t8m> I have to say I have some reservations about Viking-Ice communication abilities as well. 18:29:47 <notting> nirik: no, because it didn't seem to be of the normal sort. (and was put on the meeting agenda almost immediately anyway) 18:29:59 <nirik> yeah, it's a bit different. 18:30:13 <Viking-Ice> nirik, none today other than me ( others have left due flames and unresponsive packagers left after F15 more or less ) otherwise we had migrated all the stuff already ( since I've migrated units for 100+ components by myself for f17 aline ) 18:30:23 <pjones> well, it is and it isn't. I mean, we've got a specific reason here, but he'd still be getting the bit set, right? 18:31:20 <mitr> I'm not too worried about the bit - git makes reverting easy enough, and in general I prefer opening up provenpackager somewhat more anyway 18:31:32 <nirik> Viking-Ice: well, I meant how many services don't have a bug with a patch to migrate them? is that what you are working on mostly? or are all those done now? 18:31:37 <notting> given Viking-Ice's comment about it resulting in less time to migrate, and his request to not have 'special treatment', i'd be inclined to -1 the ticket on those grounds and just going to the normal process. 18:32:07 <notting> TBH, bringing someone into PP to commit changes of this sort seems a bit odd if it's about existing in bugzilla changes - if we want those to happen from PP, any one of us could do it now 18:32:10 <pjones> mitr: fair point, but it's still not that different as a result. 18:32:27 <pjones> notting: and yet we haven't. 18:32:41 <mjg59> If he wants to do it, I'm in favour of enabling it. If he doesn't want to do it, I don't think we should do anything 18:32:47 <mitr> mjg59: +1 18:32:53 <pjones> I can be +1 to that. 18:33:08 <mjg59> (Other than, y'know, we should step up and do the work ourselves and all) 18:33:12 <Viking-Ice> nirik, sorry not following I'm currently finishing packages that start with M of the alphabet A --> M is more or less done migrating and have units attached to them 18:33:22 <nirik> Viking-Ice: ok, cool. 18:33:36 <mjg59> Viking-Ice: Would PP make your life better? 18:33:43 * nirik would be inclined to say -1 to this for now, and let Viking-Ice continue to migrate services. 18:33:51 <mitr> Viking-Ice: so it's a reasonable assumption that granting the privilege would be a no-op at least for the f18 development process? 18:34:01 <nirik> perhaps we could try and revive some FES action and file a bug asking provenpackagers to work on these specifically. 18:34:32 <Viking-Ice> mjg59, I could do more work not only in the migration process but if/when logging stuff needs to fixed as well due to journal 18:35:21 <mitr> Viking-Ice: "the logging stuff" is much more controversial, let's not open that right now... 18:35:27 <Viking-Ice> not having PP means less work for me in the long run more work for PP and maintainers 18:35:43 <Viking-Ice> in general 18:35:53 <Viking-Ice> and longer completion of features as well 18:36:14 <Viking-Ice> I'm always happy having to do less work =) 18:36:24 <limburgher> sorry, /me was called away. back now. 18:36:32 <pjones> yeah, let's not discuss "journal" right now. 18:36:38 <nirik> so, whats our votes? 18:37:08 <Viking-Ice> basically what I seek is the ability to do less nagging more helping 18:37:34 <Viking-Ice> then I can just channel my frustration if I encounter any in fixing things 18:37:37 <mjg59> +1 then 18:37:41 <pjones> +1 18:38:09 <tibbs> Did this request get run by the rest of the provenpackagers as usual? If so I must have missed it. 18:38:24 * nirik is a weak -1 (would prefer more migrating until we get those done) and possibly we can ping other pp's to work on that end. 18:38:24 <notting> tibbs: no, see scrollback 18:39:07 <mitr> Given the past disagreements, could we agree that the PP is not used to override maintainer's technical objections (i.e. "I don't want it done this way" vs. "I don't have time")? 18:39:33 <notting> that sort of goes with the PP territory in general 18:39:41 <Viking-Ice> btw PP privileges can be revoked right or does that never happen? 18:39:53 <pjones> Viking-Ice: well, it never has, but we do reserve the right 18:39:56 * nirik notes we would also have to grant packager here. 18:40:06 <nirik> I think we have actually done so once. 18:40:09 <Viking-Ice> if people are unhappy with my work those privileges can always be revoked right? 18:40:22 <pjones> if we're that unhappy, yes. 18:41:01 <nirik> more votes? (+2 / -2 so far) 18:41:04 <Viking-Ice> I think trial period is in order for people that like we that dont want to be packager but do want to help if we can 18:41:14 <limburgher> Eh. +1. Less work for the rest of us. 18:41:20 <Viking-Ice> and by packager in this term I mean maintain package in the distribution 18:41:29 <nirik> +3/-2 18:41:45 <notting> -1 for same reasoning as stated earlier. also, PP w/o packager first seems odd. 18:41:52 <limburgher> Except he's not a sponsored packager? 18:41:52 <nirik> +3/-3 18:41:58 <limburgher> Oh. 18:42:36 <sgallagh> I'm +0 18:42:43 <t8m> I'm +0 as well 18:42:45 <pjones> Well, the proposal fails. 18:42:45 <limburgher> I didn't realize that. -1. Nothing personal, but I think pp requires a level of experience with the SCM and build system. 18:42:45 <mitr> Given that this is explicitly restricted to systemd conversion, +1 ... 18:43:05 <limburgher> I'll keep helping though. :) 18:43:24 <tibbs> Has there been a more public call for other PP folks to get involved with this? 18:43:44 <tibbs> I mean, I don't even recall seeing any report about how many packages remain to be converted. 18:43:59 <nirik> There's a feature page with a list. 18:44:22 <nirik> #agreed The proposal doesn't pass. 18:44:23 <mitr> tibbs: Viking-Ice has been fairly vocal on fedora-devel 18:44:28 <nirik> we could mail provenpackagers? 18:44:37 <Viking-Ice> not from me no but this has been a know issue after looking and analyze the migration process from F15 18:44:51 <Viking-Ice> mitr, I've not been vocal on devel in F17 18:44:54 <tibbs> I mean, I see a lot of flaming and was the recipient of insults myself, but I don't recall seeing a simple list of what remains to be done. 18:45:42 <Viking-Ice> flaming on my behalf? 18:45:55 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/Features/SysVtoSystemd-F17 18:46:49 <nirik> so, do we want to make a announcement to provenpackagers? or just move on. 18:46:56 <sgallagh> I feel like we've been on this topic for too long already today 18:47:03 <pjones> indeed. 18:47:08 <nirik> ok. 18:47:15 <pjones> nirik: I'm all for trying to get the issue some more publicity 18:47:25 <nirik> #topic #806 Request for exception for iptables and ip6tables to provide a small init script 18:47:25 <nirik> .fesco 806 18:47:26 <zodbot> nirik: #806 (Request for exception for iptables and ip6tables to provide a small init script) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/806 18:47:29 <nirik> pjones: me too. 18:48:29 <pjones> I'm mildly +1 on this, but before I'm really +1 it seems like there should be a plan in place to fix docs and such to refer to some other mechanism. 18:48:33 <t8m> I'm fine with that although some general solution would be nice as well. 18:48:37 <pjones> (another mechanism may also be good to have in place) 18:48:41 <nirik> so, on this one, I thought just shipping some stub init scripts would make sense, but seems like scope has expanded a lot. 18:48:42 <t8m> So +1 18:48:54 <mitr> I'm -1 to iptables-specific fixes. 18:49:00 <mitr> This is not an iptables problem. 18:49:04 <notting> nirik: stub init scripts would work OOTB. scripts somewhere else require further infrastructure. 18:49:11 <sgallagh> I'm -1 on this. I think that if systemd is going to provide a compatibility layer, it should be 100% compatible 18:49:42 <sgallagh> Sorry, that was poorly phrased. 18:49:50 <nirik> I fear if we wait for the 'solve all these' solution it will be so long from now that everyone will have already moved on. ;) 18:49:59 <mitr> sgallagh: "/sbin/service" is owned by Fedora's own initscripts. systemd is not 100% compatible, that ship has sailed I'm afraid. 18:50:48 <sgallagh> I would prefer that we avoid exceptions, especially exceptions for such core functionality. 18:51:50 <nirik> so, I'm also ok with passing the buck to FPC, but we should be clear on what we are asking them. Change to allow stubs? change to allow these non standard things somehow? something else? 18:52:22 <mitr> notting: where "further infrastructure" is ~10 lines of shell code + one directory, right? I suppose the important question is "how many of the packagers would do the work to add back the non-standard actions". 18:52:59 <nirik> this should also just be a temp compat thing... it should point them to the new command. 18:52:59 <notting> mitr: it's defining new, fedora-specific inifrastructure, yes. 18:53:23 <mitr> nirik: _which_ new command? iptables upstream does not provide the same functionality. 18:53:23 <notting> mitr: whereas packaging the old initscript as well is at least not fedora-specific 18:53:34 <mjg59> I can sort of see this for F15 and F16 18:53:45 <mjg59> And /arguably/ F17 if it's purely for the static firewall case 18:53:58 <mjg59> But only if that code is absolutely being dropped in F18 18:54:22 <nirik> mitr: '/usr/libexec/iptables.init save' I guess... 18:54:37 <nirik> mjg59: yeah, and the boat has already left the harbor 18:55:08 <mitr> mjg59: "we broke Fedora's usual commands, we'll temporarily fix them but break them again in a year"? That doesn't make sense to me. 18:56:02 <nirik> yeah, so perhaps the window has closed and we should just say no thanks to the entire thing. 18:56:09 <pjones> nirik: pointing people to the new command there sucks; there's automation to consider. 18:56:12 <mitr> Considering that these special actions were Fedora/RHL-specific for so long (decades in the case of iptables), I can't see a good cause for upstreams to suddenly accept this functionality 18:56:42 <nirik> pjones: ? someone automates iptables save? that seems... an odd way to do things. 18:56:56 <mitr> nirik: kickstarts? 18:57:01 <mitr> ... right, odd 18:57:01 <mjg59> mitr: It's a transition to new commands. If the expectation was that those commands continue working in old releases then we should make sure they keep working 18:57:02 <pjones> nirik: for example system-config-firewall? 18:57:13 <mitr> mjg59: _which_ new commands, again? 18:57:21 <mjg59> If there's no expectation of that then the new way of doing things should be documented and this entirely ignored 18:57:31 <nirik> pjones: it calls the init script? I would hope not, but who knwos... 18:57:32 <mitr> I think we can either decide that a) all special commands should arrive upstream, and it's fine to break the Fedora-specific commands, or b) Fedora will have non-upstream commands, and in this case there's absolutely no reason to break the old ones 18:58:08 <mjg59> mitr: I was under the impression that the new dynamic code would have support for saving and restoring rulesets 18:58:27 <mitr> mjg59: That merely avoids the iptables problem, doesn't solve the general case. postgresql, network, ... 18:58:40 <notting> to clarify: i'm fine with an exception for iptables for shipping the old init script to support these. i'm a little leery of creating a fedora-specific extensions to the /sbin/service helper script that won't be exposed elsewhere. 18:58:42 <mjg59> Yes. They all need to provide equivalent functionality 18:59:02 <mjg59> Or, alternatively, accept that there's been a reduction in functionality, and that should be documented 18:59:23 <nirik> I think they all do, but they are just different commands now... 18:59:33 <nirik> since they can't hang off service/the init script 18:59:47 <mjg59> If it's "This old howto doesn't work any more" then CLOSED->WELCOME_TO_2000 19:00:55 <mitr> mjg59: Breaking users' functionality without providing them any benefit in return? what's the point? 19:01:19 <mjg59> mitr: Backward-compatibility via Fedora-specific hacks? 19:01:34 <mitr> mjg59: Backward compatibility to Fedora-specific code would necessarily be Fedora-specific 19:01:34 <nirik> I still think it's worth it to provide the old command as a compat option for a few more releases... 19:01:53 <nirik> but perhaps I am in the minority. 19:02:02 <mjg59> I'm struggling with why "This old way no longer works, you have to do it a new way" is an unacceptable option 19:02:12 <mjg59> Given that that's what we upload approximately every 30 seconds 19:02:37 <nirik> mjg59: the only pointer to 'the new way' is in release notes or other places no one reads/ 19:02:41 <mjg59> If we're committing to providing backwards compatibility, then let's make that policy 19:02:50 <mjg59> If we're not, then let's get on with life 19:03:23 <nirik> proposal: ask FPC if we can add to systemd guidelines to allow for non standard service commands to continue to work in a systemd world. 19:03:27 <t8m> we are not committing to anything (mostly) 19:03:47 <notting> nirik: +1 19:03:47 <mjg59> So let's get on with life 19:03:49 <t8m> nirik, +1 19:03:54 <mitr> mjg59: Given that it would take someone ~4-16 hours to keep the old way working, and save ~4 hours for thousands of users.... the tradeoff seems easy enough for me, especially where there is 0 benefit to doing ti the other way 19:03:54 <mjg59> It's just another case where we broke backwards compatibility 19:04:00 <mitr> +1 19:04:05 <nirik> right. 19:04:18 <mjg59> mitr: The benefit is that we don't end up carrying Fedora-specific hacks for an arbitrary period of time 19:04:25 <mjg59> So I'm -1 19:04:36 <nirik> +4/-1 19:04:39 <nirik> more votes? 19:04:56 <sgallagh> +1 why not 19:04:57 <t8m> mjg59, yep I noticed that we are very happy to break backwards compatibility very often for no real reason recently 19:05:15 <nirik> +5/-1 19:05:23 <mjg59> I'm entirely in favour of requiring that this kind of thing be documented, though 19:05:29 <nirik> #agreed ask FPC if we can add to systemd guidelines to allow for non standard service commands to continue to work in a systemd world. 19:05:38 <nirik> would someone step up to file a FPC ticket ? 19:05:42 <mitr> mjg59: Where is the line betweeen "Fedora functionality" and "Fedora-specific hack"? In the extreeme, what good does a "Fedora distribution" do if everything it does is "a Fedora-specific hack"? 19:05:51 <pjones> I'm very +0 on this. Very difficult to care about more than "it needs to be documented". 19:06:08 * nirik can do so if no one else wants to. 19:06:20 <t8m> mitr, +1 19:06:20 <notting> nirik: that sounds like volunteering! 19:06:22 <nirik> #action nirik to file a FPC ticket asking for them to look into this. 19:06:39 <nirik> anything else here? 19:06:51 <nirik> #topic #810 Clarify our position on forks 19:06:51 <nirik> .fesco 810 19:06:53 <zodbot> nirik: #810 (Clarify our position on forks) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/810 19:07:22 <pjones> sgallagh: also the bullshit watermark is pretty high 19:07:25 <sgallagh> Proposal: (as made on devel@): Forks should be allowed if they can be parallel-installed. 19:07:29 <sgallagh> hahaha 19:07:30 <pjones> (there we go, got that on the right ticket) 19:07:52 <t8m> sgallagh, +1 19:07:57 <nirik> mmaslano has "+1 for accepting forks, but it needs defined boundaries, probably given by FPC." 19:08:02 <nirik> in ticket 19:08:14 <mjg59> Most of the arguments in favour of this are also arguments in favour of bundled libraries, providing that the maintainer is aware of the bundled library 19:08:42 <pjones> mjg59: not necessarily; you could read it in favor of also having forked libraries 19:08:43 <sgallagh> mjg59: I'm not sure that's true. I think this is an argument for how to unbundle 19:09:05 <nirik> If we say 'no forks', who's going to remove libreoffice and repackage openoffice. ;) 19:09:06 <mjg59> Bundled libraries are ok if you make them a subpackage? 19:09:12 <mitr> mjg59: ... which the maintainer demonstrates by unbundling the library, resulting in a "fork" 19:09:17 <mitr> +1 to sgallagh 19:09:18 <pjones> mjg59: right. 19:09:27 <limburgher> sgallagh: +1 19:09:47 <mjg59> I'm +1 providing that FPC will define broader policy 19:09:48 <t8m> mjg59, not a subpackage - full package with real upstream releases 19:10:02 <notting> with the specific example that generated this, even if it's not signficantly different now, it's certainly implied that it *will* diverge in short order 19:10:08 <mjg59> notting: Oh sure 19:10:21 <mjg59> notting: I look forward to seeing how many copies of gconfd we can have running at once 19:10:23 <pjones> yeah, the key difference is real upstream releases. the trick is going to be in telling if that requirement is satisfied before there's a second one. 19:10:48 <pjones> notting: perhaps it's not worth allowing until it has? 19:11:25 <nirik> I think any qualitative measure may be doomed... if we require 2 releases, someone could just do another one... etc. 19:11:25 <notting> pjones: not accepting forked version of mutter in this case would require non-upstreamable changes to miuffin's dependencies, so... meh. 19:11:28 <mitr> mjg59: I find it sort of hard to believe that an UI fork would feel the need to fork gconfd as well 19:11:31 <mjg59> pjones: Except then we're forbidding Gnome forks because we're part of the Gnome 3 cabal 19:11:36 <mjg59> mitr: Yeah, uh. 19:11:44 <pjones> mjg59: *eyeroll* 19:11:47 <mjg59> mitr: At least one of them did 19:12:56 <mjg59> Anyway. I think this is probably going to end up as a great way to get more mostly bitrotting code into the distribution because people are unable to play nicely together, but if it weren't for that then we'd probably all be running Minix, so +1 19:13:04 <nirik> Proposal: ask FPC to clarify when Forked packages are acceptable to add to the collection, taking into account parallel installing, lack of interfereing with other packages, viability of maintainance. 19:13:19 <mjg59> Providing FPC stuff and yeah what nirik says 19:13:25 <limburgher> +1 19:13:29 <nirik> (I guess drop the last bit. 19:13:39 <nirik> since we don't require any level of maint already. 19:13:41 <mitr> I'd s/viability of maintenance// away, we never ask about this for new packages 19:13:42 <limburgher> Right. 19:13:49 <drago01> (fwiw the mutter fork makes no sense because mutter is not supposed to be tied to gnome-shell but ot) 19:13:49 * nirik nods. 19:13:49 <limburgher> Or old ones. 19:13:56 <notting> is there a reason it needs to go to fpc? 19:14:01 <nirik> Proposal: ask FPC to clarify when Forked packages are acceptable to add to the collection, taking into account parallel installing, lack of interfereing with other packages, or other factors. 19:14:13 <notting> i.e., "proposal: forks are allowed provided they do not conflict or interfere with other packages" 19:14:20 <mitr> +1 to notting 19:14:26 <sgallagh> +1 to notting 19:14:27 <nirik> yeah, I suppose not... 19:14:33 <t8m> +1 to notting 19:14:36 <mitr> Let's involve FPC when actual conflicts need to be solved, and the involved parties have something specific to discuss 19:14:46 <mjg59> I'd like some definition of what interfering with other packages actually means 19:14:49 <notting> oh, also: provided they are not the kernel. 19:14:51 <sgallagh> Ultimately, a fork is no different than allowing in two disparate packages with similar functionality. 19:15:07 <drago01> notting: hah good point 19:15:18 <sgallagh> mjg59: Not shipping a competing libc, for example? 19:15:24 * nirik gets to packaging mock microkernel. 19:15:45 <mjg59> As long as I call it libsuperc.so that'd be fine? 19:15:47 <pjones> sgallagh: why not? we've shipped several before. 19:15:55 <mitr> sgallagh: Hm, we had "interesting" discussions about dietlibc and others 19:15:59 * nirik has to step away for a minute. 19:16:04 <sgallagh> pjones: I meant where it assumed libc.so 19:16:10 <sgallagh> If it's libsuperc.so, that's fine with me 19:16:30 <mitr> I guess I don't care about packaging forks, but we'd want to know if any are dragged into the default DVD / $other_important_package_set 19:16:30 <sgallagh> I just would want people to have to target it specifically at link-time 19:16:36 <mjg59> But, for instance, if you have two packages that have no filespace collisions but use the same socket name? 19:16:47 <mitr> s/any/two or more forks/ 19:16:52 <pjones> mjg59: oh, like gconfd and whateverconfd? 19:16:54 <notting> mjg59: like... nginx and apache? 19:17:01 <mjg59> pjones: That kind of thing, yes 19:17:04 <mjg59> notting: Ha. 19:17:19 <mjg59> notting: Less bad with leaf packages, I guess 19:17:37 <sgallagh> mjg59: I think socket collision still falls in my "parallel-installable" restriction I proposed 19:17:46 <mjg59> But if there's an assumption that these stacks are parallel installable then the entire stack needs to be audited for that 19:18:01 <mjg59> Because otherwise breakage will be subtle and unexpected 19:18:32 <nirik> FPC may come up with some additional guidelines/policy for forks... dunno. 19:18:46 * nirik is +1 in general, but wouldn't mind FPC weighing in. 19:19:58 <nirik> how about: "proposal: forks are allowed provided they do not conflict or interfere with other packages. FPC may add additional guidelines to forks as they see fit" ? 19:20:07 <notting> wfm. +1 19:20:15 <limburgher> nirik: +1 19:20:17 <mitr> +1 19:20:29 * nirik is +1 too 19:21:23 <t8m> no problem +1 19:21:24 <sgallagh> +1 19:21:38 <nirik> #agreed forks are allowed provided they do not conflict or interfere with other packages. FPC may add additional guidelines to forks as they see fit" 19:21:47 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:21:53 <nirik> Anyone have items for open floor? 19:21:54 <Viking-Ice> I got one 19:21:58 <sgallagh> Yes 19:22:05 <sgallagh> Viking-Ice: Go ahead 19:22:07 <nirik> go head Viking-Ice ... 19:22:21 <Viking-Ice> clear if systemd units are allowed to be shipped up to beta like they could last release cycle 19:22:29 <Viking-Ice> afaik nothing has changed to not warrant that? 19:22:52 <notting> we certainly haven't decided/voted on any changes to that 19:22:58 <notting> afair 19:23:08 <sgallagh> Seems reasonable to me 19:23:14 <t8m> yep 19:23:55 <Viking-Ice> did not think so but maintainers are unsure so if you send any announcement to -devel regarding systemd that info should be included in that announcement ( if it's allowed or not ) 19:23:58 <nirik> yeah, I'm fine with that... 19:24:31 <nirik> any objections? would someone like to send out an announcement? 19:25:43 <limburgher> I have no objections if the maintainers agree and/or do it themselves. 19:26:05 <Viking-Ice> well PP helping should be building this for F17 in that case 19:26:29 <limburgher> I can do the announcement, do we want to go over wording, or should I Just Do It? 19:26:53 <mitr> just do it :) 19:26:55 <nirik> limburgher: fine with me if you want to just do it. ;) Might also point to the list and note that pp's are welcome to help. 19:26:57 <limburgher> Viking-Ice: Now that we've got that cleared up, going forward, with the maintainer's ok, yes. :) 19:27:09 <Viking-Ice> =) 19:27:14 <limburgher> Will do. 19:27:57 <limburgher> #action limburgher will announce systemd migrations for f17 accepted until Beta, include link to BZ list and invite PP assistance. 19:28:07 <nirik> excellent. 19:28:38 <nirik> sgallagh: ? 19:29:42 <sgallagh> When do we want to start looking at F18 Features? I know of a few that are already in FeatureReadyForWrangler (including one of my own that we want to start landing in Rawhide ASAP) 19:29:43 * mitr queues after sgallagh for the open floor 19:30:11 <limburgher> Next week maybe? 19:30:21 <notting> ... whenever rbergeron wants to throw them at us, IMO 19:30:33 * Viking-Ice got another minor one 19:30:50 <notting> or 'the fedora program manager', to be more precise 19:30:54 * mitr would prefer sooner rather than later 19:31:14 <sgallagh> Yes, same here. Especially for features that touch multiple packages 19:31:18 <nirik> yeah, sooner would be fine here too. 19:31:30 <nirik> perhaps see if we can get robin or someone to wrangle them for next week? 19:31:35 <nirik> oh, who wants to chair next week? ;) 19:31:38 <sgallagh> (To avoid ambiguity, I'm talking about the Kerberos CcacheMove feature, specifically) 19:31:51 <limburgher> sgallagh: I assumed as much. :) 19:32:17 <mitr> nirik: 2 more things for open floor, I think 19:32:48 <sgallagh> Ok, I'll talk to rbergeron about getting F18 Features on the queue for next week 19:32:49 <nirik> mitr: go ahead 19:33:06 <mitr> Update on #798 (Ctrl-Space taken over by ibus) 19:33:07 <OzBorne> salut je suis un utilisateur de base... 19:33:27 <sgallagh> OzBorne: FESCo meeting is running long. We should be done in a few more minutes. 19:33:37 <mitr> AFAICS ( https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/798#comment:17 ) ibus is supposed to run only in CJK locales, and I think that's a reasonable default. 19:34:10 <notting> mitr: CJKI, but sure. 19:34:13 <mitr> Assuming that is the intent, proposal: treat other cases (e.g. ibus running in en_US) as bugs, no FESCo decission necessary 19:34:30 <sgallagh> mitr: +1 19:34:35 <limburgher> mitr: +1 19:34:54 <nirik> sure, +1 19:35:40 <notting> seems reasonable. +1 19:35:58 <t8m> mitr, +1 19:36:12 <nirik> #agreed for ibus (ticket 798): treat other cases (e.g. ibus running in en_US) as bugs, no FESCo decission necessary 19:36:20 <mitr> Thanks 19:36:23 <nirik> mitr: thanks. Did you have another item? 19:36:25 <mitr> Viking-Ice had one more item 19:36:26 <Viking-Ice> just a minor procedural issue. It would be good if deprecation/orphan notice ( as in "if you plan to no longer maintain or know if your package is going to be obsoleted/dropped/removed etc" ) should be sent now ( or as early as possible ) so feature owners can be working on the bits that actually will be in the release. Sounds most logical to do this stuff at branched time as in the beginning of the next rawhide cycle 19:36:48 <mitr> Would it be easy enough to list all dependent packages (... recursively) in the notice? 19:37:12 <notting> Viking-Ice: that's generally done "whenever someone decides to give it up". we could encourage people, certainly. 19:37:39 <Viking-Ice> notting, that would help 19:39:12 <Viking-Ice> I spent time on migrating stuff for components that later got deprecated or remove 19:39:18 <Viking-Ice> s/remove/removed 19:39:30 <notting> Viking-Ice: ok, i'll go looking through the wiki to see where that's logical to add, and can add a note to the list re: f18 development 19:39:42 <nirik> cool. 19:39:45 <Viking-Ice> thanks 19:39:47 <nirik> any other open floor items? 19:40:16 * nirik will close out in a minute then. 19:40:49 <nirik> oh, chair next week? 19:40:49 <notting> did we get a chair? 19:40:50 <nirik> anyone? 19:41:08 <notting> i can do it 19:41:13 <nirik> #action notting to chair next week. 19:41:15 <nirik> thanks! 19:41:19 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. 19:41:22 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Docs meeting minutes -- 27 February 2012
by Ben Cotton 27 Feb '12

27 Feb '12

Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:26) * Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:04:54) * ACTION: Sparks to find out who will be maintaining rbergero's calendars (bcotton, 14:05:41) * Release Notes (bcotton, 14:05:53) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule (bcotton, 14:06:00) * ACTION: jjmcd to get Technical Notes done (bcotton, 14:17:10) * Guide Status (bcotton, 14:17:23) * LINK: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html (bcotton, 14:17:32) * ACTION: bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 (bcotton, 14:19:20) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 14:20:43) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:20:53) * Open floor discussion (bcotton, 14:22:07) Meeting ended at 14:28:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Sparks to find out who will be maintaining rbergero's calendars * jjmcd to get Technical Notes done * bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to check on guide owners for F17 * jjmcd * jjmcd to get Technical Notes done * **UNASSIGNED** * Sparks to find out who will be maintaining rbergero's calendars People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcotton (39) * jjmcd (13) * rbergeron (11) * chuckf (8) * zoglesby (6) * zodbot (3) * jsmith (2) * shaiton (1) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-27/fedora_docs.2012… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-27/fedora_docs.2012… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-27/fedora_docs.2012… -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes :: 2012-02-24
by Robyn Bergeron 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

Thanks to all those who came today - sounds like we will be hitting a lot of goals for F17, and seeing more cool stuff in F18. :) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-24/cloud_sig.2012-0… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-24/cloud_sig.2012-0… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-24/cloud_sig.2012-0… Have a great weekend! :) -Robyn ========================== #fedora-meeting: Cloud SIG ========================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 18:59:54 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-24/cloud_sig.2012-0… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (rbergeron, 19:00:04) * OpenNebula (rbergeron, 19:03:13) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_gro… (ke4qqq, 19:07:36) * all rubygem deps are in F17; working on opennebula.spec and is also working through needed changes in fedora packaging (rbergeron, 19:08:29) * ACTION: spstarr to add opennebula to comps.xml (rbergeron, 19:08:44) * AWS and Mirrors and the like (rbergeron, 19:09:33) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Amazon (mdomsch, 19:09:54) * Amazon / MIrroring is coming along; initial sync done, ~77GB pushed over 48 hours; running into problems with s3cmd sync code (rbergeron, 19:12:00) * still need to find out how to restrict access to a bucket by region (rbergeron, 19:14:17) * *we all look at spevack* (rbergeron, 19:15:41) * Get Fedora webpage updated to include cloud (rbergeron, 19:20:44) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora (rbergeron, 19:20:53) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/83 (rbergeron, 19:21:13) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options (rbergeron, 19:23:00) * ACTION: rbergeron to take a first crack at the get-fedora-options tab for ec2 stuff (rbergeron, 19:25:28) * ACTION: shaiton to add robyn to the websites ticket (rbergeron, 19:27:17) * Cloudstack/Euca/AS7 dependency fun (rbergeron, 19:27:41) * still a few dependencies left shared by euca/cloudstack/as7, but making progress (rbergeron, 19:34:50) * as7 is compiling and booting partially, which is awesome (rbergeron, 19:35:01) * plan is to package web profile for F17 (rbergeron, 19:35:33) * Open Floor (rbergeron, 19:36:32) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud (rbergeron, 19:38:42) Meeting ended at 19:52:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ * spstarr to add opennebula to comps.xml * rbergeron to take a first crack at the get-fedora-options tab for ec2 stuff * shaiton to add robyn to the websites ticket Action Items, by person ----------------------- * rbergeron * rbergeron to take a first crack at the get-fedora-options tab for ec2 stuff * shaiton * shaiton to add robyn to the websites ticket * spstarr * spstarr to add opennebula to comps.xml * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (123) * mgoldmann (33) * ke4qqq (21) * spstarr (20) * mdomsch (20) * shaiton (17) * gholms (16) * nilsson (11) * tdawson_ (11) * zodbot (3) * jsmith (3) * jdarcy (1) * misc (1) * jforbes (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-02-23) (new time!)
by Kevin Fenzi 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-02-23) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 21:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Robot Roll Call (nirik, 21:00:01) * New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback (nirik, 21:01:49) * two factor auth status (nirik, 21:08:30) * Staging re-work status (nirik, 21:08:56) * Alpha Release Tickets (nirik, 21:09:24) * ACTION: smooge to update fedora-release sop with maps info. (nirik, 21:12:38) * ACTION: smooge to archive/remove f13/f14 content. (nirik, 21:12:56) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 21:14:36) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Amazon (mdomsch, 21:15:16) * help needed on s3 sync script. See mdomsch. (nirik, 21:16:49) * LINK: http://ambre.pingoured.fr/public/easyfix2.html now includes bugzilla's easyfix (pingou, 21:17:29) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 21:25:25) * 2012-02-14 to 2012-02-28 - F17 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 21:25:34) * 2012-02-28 - F17alpha release day (nirik, 21:25:34) * 2012-03-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 21:25:34) * 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 21:25:34) * 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze (nirik, 21:25:34) * 2012-03-07 to 2012-03-14 - Pycon (nirik, 21:26:07) * Open Floor (nirik, 21:28:35) * LINK: http://xkcd.com/221/ (CodeBlock, 21:34:04) Meeting ended at 21:36:18 UTC. Action Items ------------ * smooge to update fedora-release sop with maps info. * smooge to archive/remove f13/f14 content. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * smooge * smooge to update fedora-release sop with maps info. * smooge to archive/remove f13/f14 content. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (81) * mdomsch (22) * smooge (21) * skvidal (11) * CodeBlock (9) * zodbot (8) * dgilmore (8) * ctria (7) * lmacken (6) * amitphukan_ (5) * pingou (4) * adrianhannah (4) * rbergeron (3) * abadger1999 (2) * ianweller (1) * StarBeast (1) * ricky (0) * Codeblock (0) -- 21:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-02-23) 21:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 23 21:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 21:00:01 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call 21:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal Codeblock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch 21:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 21:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Codeblock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge 21:00:06 <nirik> hey look, another meeting. ;) 21:00:09 * skvidal is here 21:00:10 <smooge> here 21:00:15 <dgilmore> buenos 21:00:15 <rbergeron> SHINY 21:00:15 <mdomsch> whee 21:00:30 <StarBeast> here 21:00:32 <nirik> we are keeping the #fedora-meeting channel rocking today. ;) 21:00:44 <mdomsch> what time is the meeting moving to next week? 21:00:46 * ctria here 21:00:49 <mdomsch> earlier or later? 21:00:56 * ianweller here 21:00:56 * abadger1999 here 21:00:56 * lmacken here 21:01:18 <nirik> one hour earlier. 21:01:29 <rbergeron> nirik: it's pretty awesome 21:01:41 <nirik> yeah. 21:01:46 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in... 21:01:49 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback 21:02:00 <nirik> any new folks or apprentices care to discuss anything or say hi? 21:02:04 * CodeBlock here 21:02:10 <ctria> hi i'm a new folk :) 21:02:22 <smooge> hi new folks 21:02:24 <adrianhannah> Hello! I'm new 21:02:32 <smooge> we have a couple others who are 12 hours off. 21:02:35 <rbergeron> ooh! new folks galore :) 21:02:44 <nirik> welcome ctria and adrianhannah. Care to give a quick bio and what you might be interested in working on? 21:03:14 <ctria> ok, i'm sysadmin in a Greek university 21:03:35 <adrianhannah> 13 year sys admin in different industries - I like tool development 21:03:45 <ctria> with responsibilities off administering 2 grid clusters plus security office duties 21:04:15 <ctria> i'm also in developing/scripting 21:04:21 * adrianhannah is on his phone so forgive the typing lag 21:04:24 <nirik> great! if you guys can see me after the meeting we can look at pointing you to things to work on or look around at. 21:04:31 <adrianhannah> Cool 21:04:37 <ctria> sure 21:05:01 <nirik> any other new folks want to give a quick bio and what they might like to work on? 21:05:14 * amitphukan_ new here 21:05:34 <nirik> welcome amitphukan_ 21:05:41 <amitphukan_> nirik : thanks. 21:06:18 <nirik> amitphukan_: any intro or kind of things you might like to work on ? 21:06:31 <amitphukan_> i have exposure to very basic system administration stuff and i am here to learn and develop my skills 21:07:10 <amitphukan_> i am interested in scripting and automation, though i have very little experience on both 21:07:21 <nirik> excellent. 21:07:34 <nirik> do see me after the meeting over in #fedora-admin and we can get you started. 21:07:46 <amitphukan_> nirik : sure 21:07:53 * nirik will move on in a minute if no more new folks appear. 21:08:30 <nirik> #topic two factor auth status 21:08:44 <nirik> No new news on this I know of... can try and move it along 21:08:56 <nirik> #topic Staging re-work status 21:09:07 <nirik> this is waiting until after our current freeze... but should pick up then. 21:09:24 <nirik> #topic Alpha Release Tickets 21:09:42 <nirik> we should be able to knock out these in the next few days. 21:09:51 <nirik> .ticket 3136 21:09:52 <zodbot> nirik: #3136 (Fedora17 Alpha - new website) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3136 21:09:53 <nirik> .ticket 3137 21:09:55 <zodbot> nirik: #3137 (Fedora17 Alpha - Verify mirror space) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3137 21:09:59 <nirik> .ticket 3138 21:10:00 <zodbot> nirik: #3138 (Fedora17 Alpha - release day ticket) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3138 21:10:01 <nirik> .ticket 3139 21:10:04 <zodbot> nirik: #3139 (Fedora17 Alpha - verify permissions on content) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3139 21:10:35 <smooge> was there a ticket to deal with maps and such 21:10:59 <nirik> there wasn't... perhaps we should add that to the sop? 21:11:32 <dgilmore> are the maps back up? 21:11:39 <mdomsch> #3137 - currelty 770G on the master mirror 21:11:52 <mdomsch> releases/13 can be nuked as it's in archive now 21:11:56 <nirik> dgilmore: not yet. 21:12:08 <dgilmore> 14 should be moved and nuked also 21:12:11 <dgilmore> nirik: ok 21:12:13 <smooge> nirik, I thought it was.. sorry I will correct and add 21:12:27 <nirik> smooge: cool. Thanks. 21:12:27 <mdomsch> dgilmore: ok 21:12:38 <nirik> #action smooge to update fedora-release sop with maps info. 21:12:42 <smooge> I can whack 13/14 after 2 +1's. also 21:12:42 <mdomsch> I think smooge was working on that, but wanted me around when he nuked it to be sure MM picks up the move 21:12:56 <nirik> #action smooge to archive/remove f13/f14 content. 21:13:02 <smooge> they should be archived 21:13:14 <smooge> its just remove and then figure out what didn't take :) 21:13:20 <nirik> cool. 21:13:24 <nirik> would be good to get that done. 21:13:32 <dgilmore> yep 21:13:50 <nirik> ok, anything more on alpha release? 21:14:25 <nirik> moving along... 21:14:36 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 21:14:52 * mdomsch has a new application - s3-mirror 21:14:58 <nirik> lmacken / threebean / abadger1999 / pingou / mdomsch: any application news, issues or things of note? 21:15:10 <mdomsch> it needs some love 21:15:16 <nirik> mdomsch: cool. is that just a script? or more to it? 21:15:16 <mdomsch> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Amazon 21:15:25 <mdomsch> it's just a script really 21:15:45 <mdomsch> but the s3cmd program is crapping out somewhere 21:15:47 <nirik> cool. Is it already working? or ? 21:15:50 <nirik> ;( 21:15:54 <mdomsch> so the initial sync is done 21:16:00 <mdomsch> but subsequent update syncs are failing 21:16:28 <mdomsch> I need someone who can follow the API calls/returns to figure out why it's dying receiving an empty XML document 21:16:31 <mdomsch> e.g. '' 21:16:49 <nirik> #info help needed on s3 sync script. See mdomsch. 21:17:29 <pingou> http://ambre.pingoured.fr/public/easyfix2.html now includes bugzilla's easyfix 21:18:25 <nirik> mdomsch: might be worth filing a easyfix ticket about the problem and seeing if anyone can look into it. 21:18:36 <lmacken> pingou: awesome. 21:18:41 <nirik> (see what I did there... tying those together :) 21:18:41 <mdomsch> nirik: I doubt it's easyfix material 21:18:54 <mdomsch> at least, it wouldn't be easyfix for me... 21:18:57 <nirik> ok. I was just hoping it was a command option or something... 21:19:07 <nirik> but I suppose you already checked all that 21:19:09 <pingou> lmacken: nirik was wondering how/if it could be included into packages 21:19:22 <mdomsch> it's in the bowels 21:19:47 <skvidal> mdomsch: can't promise anything - but could you point me at what you're seeing? 21:20:17 <nirik> lmacken: not sure it makes sense in there, but packages has a lot of the same info already... ie, bugs, etc. 21:20:47 <mdomsch> skvidal: sure. bapp01, ~mdomsch, s3sync-3rdpass.log or somesuch. It feels like it's not getting back from S3 something it thinks it should via API call 21:20:55 <lmacken> pingou: I think it would fit better under a new Bugs Dashboard... the code could easily live in the fedoracommunity.git if we wanted too 21:21:02 <dgilmore> nirik: thats been my thought about packages since i first saw it, that it duplicates alot of things that exist already 21:21:53 <pingou> lmacken: I was actually thinking about a dedicated part at the top of the bug tab or something like this 21:22:05 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah, there's overlap between several other things (most notably pkgdb), but packager does things in a pretty nice way and is fast, so I think we should look at moving those duplicate things over to it... 21:22:22 <lmacken> pingou: cool, we'll talk about it more in #fedora-apps :) 21:22:37 <nirik> any other application news or info? 21:22:56 <pingou> lmacken: nirik but that would work easily for bugzilla's easyfix, might be more tricky for fedorahosted one 21:22:56 <nirik> lmacken: any progress on puppeting packages/tagger for production ? or would you like me to look at that? 21:23:23 <dgilmore> nirik: having it all be unified from a user standpoint is great 21:23:31 <lmacken> nirik: sorry, I haven't had any cycles to poke at it :\ If you wanna take a look, it would be much appreciated. 21:23:42 <dgilmore> nirik: but it does mean that package actually needs to do a lot more than it does today 21:23:47 <nirik> sure, I can try and whip something up. should just be some renaming and copying from whats in stg. 21:23:54 <lmacken> nirik: yep 21:24:26 <nirik> yeah, would be good to identify the overlaps and come up with a plan for them at some point. 21:25:11 <nirik> ok, moving along then? 21:25:25 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 21:25:34 <nirik> #info 2012-02-14 to 2012-02-28 - F17 Alpha Freeze 21:25:34 <nirik> #info 2012-02-28 - F17alpha release day 21:25:34 <nirik> #info 2012-03-01 - nag fi-apprentices. 21:25:34 <nirik> #info 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices 21:25:34 <nirik> #info 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze 21:25:47 <nirik> any other upcoming items folks would like to note/schedule/shout out? 21:26:02 * nirik adds into there: 21:26:07 <nirik> #info 2012-03-07 to 2012-03-14 - Pycon 21:26:47 <nirik> after the freeze I want to see if I can move bapp01 and as many apps as possible over to rhel6 21:27:15 <nirik> also ideally we would get our staging rework done before beta freeze, but we will see. 21:28:35 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 21:28:42 <nirik> anyone have any items for open floor? 21:29:14 <smooge> I am working on mailman chanbges 21:29:21 <skvidal> ? 21:29:24 <smooge> for the current stuff. 21:29:31 <skvidal> oh 21:29:34 <smooge> stuff that skvidal outlined a while ago 21:29:38 <skvidal> gotcha 21:29:41 <smooge> 1) Remove password generation template 21:29:42 <nirik> oh cool. 21:29:52 <smooge> 2) Set everyone's password to some random string. 21:30:00 <smooge> 3) Never talk about it again 21:30:46 <nirik> ok. I expect some of that will need to be 'hotfixes'... 21:30:48 <smooge> should be ready sometime after freeze 21:30:56 <nirik> but I could be wrong, perhaps it can be done in config. 21:31:01 <mdomsch> smooge: mailman auth == FAS auth then? 21:31:06 <smooge> noooooooo 21:31:14 <mdomsch> haha 21:31:17 <smooge> mailman only knows about cleartext 21:31:23 * abadger1999 is thnking no as well 21:31:25 <smooge> and too many passwrods are the other way 21:31:39 <nirik> mdomsch: basically remove the ability of people to pick a password, they get a random one instead of one that could well be used by them elsewhere. 21:32:10 <smooge> and if they use the random one else where.. life sucks. 21:32:19 <CodeBlock> hah 21:32:19 <ctria> :) 21:32:23 <nirik> and remove the password from the reminder emails it sends out monthy 21:32:30 <smooge> though I think setting everyone to Qwerty123456 has its appeal 21:32:39 <nirik> if someone forgets their pass they can just use the reset pass and get a new random one. ;) 21:32:48 <CodeBlock> nirik: We could modify the dpsearch crawler. If it comes across a login form, quickly run down the list of random passwords and try them. 21:32:49 * CodeBlock hides 21:32:51 <CodeBlock> smooge: * 21:32:55 <nirik> ha. 21:33:04 <CodeBlock> ;) 21:33:08 <skvidal> nim-nim: they won't actually get a new random one on resetpass 21:33:14 <skvidal> err s/nim-nim/nirik/ 21:33:25 <skvidal> nirik: they will get the same one :) 21:33:38 <skvidal> there is no 'reset pass' it is 'remind' 21:33:44 <smooge> your random password is 3. 21:34:04 <CodeBlock> http://xkcd.com/221/ 21:34:05 <CodeBlock> :) 21:34:06 <skvidal> we used a fair 20sided die 21:34:14 <nirik> right. yeah 21:34:50 * skvidal rolls 20s, everytime 21:35:19 <nirik> ok, anyone have anything else? 21:35:23 <nirik> or shall we call it a meeting? 21:35:38 * CodeBlock has nothing... will have an update next week about search stuff 21:36:11 <nirik> cool. 21:36:15 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 21:36:18 <nirik> #endmeeting

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F17 Alpha Readiness Meeting Minutes :: 2012-02-23
by Robyn Bergeron 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

Only remaining issues are with websites folks; shaiton will be following up with sijis and ricky to see if either of them have alpha stuff hiding in their fp.o repos, will track down by tomorrow. Otherwise, will open up a staging alpha site, nirik said he will watch for a request if it's needed. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/f17_alpha_readin… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/f17_alpha_readin… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/f17_alpha_readin… ============================================ #fedora-meeting: F17 Alpha Readiness Meeting ============================================ Meeting started by rbergeron at 20:00:09 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/f17_alpha_readin… . Meeting summary --------------- * Who's here? (rbergeron, 20:00:25) * rbergeron here for marketing, program management (rbergeron, 20:00:37) * also cookies (rbergeron, 20:00:40) * mizmo here for design, nirik here for infra, noriko here for trans, cwickert for ambassadors (rbergeron, 20:02:13) * spot is here for my moral support, err... for engineering purposes and awesomeness (rbergeron, 20:03:20) * bcotton here for docs, smooge is here for being awesome (rbergeron, 20:03:37) * Purpose of this meeting (rbergeron, 20:03:44) * spot here for the cookies (spot, 20:04:11) * Purpose of this meeting is to bring together the different teams involved in the Alpha release and make sure we all have our ducks in a row, and coordinate any cross-team coordinating that needs to happen (rbergeron, 20:04:14) * dgilmore here for releng (rbergeron, 20:04:31) * Marketing (rbergeron, 20:04:47) * Marketing is relatively kosher (rbergeron, 20:05:19) * ACTION: rbergeron to get properly-formatted release announcement to dgilmore (rbergeron, 20:07:09) * ACTION: rbergeron to document who sends which announcements on top of each announcement wiki page (rbergeron, 20:07:40) * Infrastructure (rbergeron, 20:08:23) * Translations (rbergeron, 20:09:30) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shaiton/trans#Cleaning_transifex.net_fe… (noriko, 20:12:38) * Docs (rbergeron, 20:19:08) * Ambassadors (rbergeron, 20:22:19) * Design (rbergeron, 20:26:20) * Rel-eng (rbergeron, 20:27:44) * Websites (rbergeron, 20:34:08) * ACTION: shaiton to follow up with sijis, ricky on state of alpha in websites, is there anything in their personal repos? (rbergeron, 20:38:37) * ACTION: nirik to watch out for staging alpha request from websites (rbergeron, 20:38:56) * Did I miss anyone? (rbergeron, 20:40:26) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796419 is perhaps the issue? (nirik, 20:43:41) Meeting ended at 20:45:15 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to get properly-formatted release announcement to dgilmore * rbergeron to document who sends which announcements on top of each announcement wiki page * shaiton to follow up with sijis, ricky on state of alpha in websites, is there anything in their personal repos? * nirik to watch out for staging alpha request from websites Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dgilmore * rbergeron to get properly-formatted release announcement to dgilmore * nirik * nirik to watch out for staging alpha request from websites * rbergeron * rbergeron to get properly-formatted release announcement to dgilmore * rbergeron to document who sends which announcements on top of each announcement wiki page * shaiton * shaiton to follow up with sijis, ricky on state of alpha in websites, is there anything in their personal repos? * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (104) * nirik (20) * dgilmore (18) * noriko (14) * shaiton (13) * spot (7) * cwickert (6) * bcotton (4) * zodbot (4) * mizmo (2) * smooge (1) * jsmith (1) * CodeBlock (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Board Recap 2012-02-22
by Toshio Kuratomi 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

========================================= #fedora-meeting: Fedora Board IRC Meeting ========================================= Meeting started by rbergeron at 18:29:55 UTC. The full logs are available at Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/fedora_board.201…. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/fedora_board.201… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/fedora_board.201… Meeting summary --------------- * Announcements and Agenda (rbergeron, 18:34:06) * F17 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting is today, 2012-02-22, at 22:00 UTC (17:00 EST) in #fedora-meeting (rbergeron, 18:34:23) * F17 Alpha Readiness Meeting is TOMORROW, 2012-02-23, at 20:00 UTC (15:00 EST) in #fedora-meeting (rbergeron, 18:34:26) * Fedora Engineering "Open House" IRC Meeting is also tomorrow, at 18:00 UTC (13:00 EST) in #fedora-meeting (rbergeron, 18:34:29) * For more info on the Open House, read http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-February/01135… (rbergeron, 18:34:32) * Agenda for today includes: Open Q&A Session, Review and possible adoption of draft trademark guidelines, (rbergeron, 18:34:41) * Review of Board Member Rex Dieter's personal project goals, and a handful of Board Tickets, time permitting. (rbergeron, 18:34:44) * Ticket #134: User of Fedora Logo in Boxes (rbergeron, 18:34:47) [Secretary's note: We didn't get to any agenda items beyond this point due to lack of time] * Ticket #133: Fedora LTS and a single rapid release proposal (rbergeron, 18:34:49) * Ticket #130: Make the board less of a single point of failure (rbergeron, 18:34:52) * Present: rbergeron, abadger1999, jds2001, jreznik_, ke4qqq, cwickert, rudi, rdieter (rbergeron, 18:35:44) * Regrets: peter robinson (rbergeron, 18:36:02) * Not here yet: gomix (rbergeron, 18:36:43) * Open Q & A (rbergeron, 18:37:07) [Secretary's note: We talked about * Board's role as an advisor to the Project as a whole: No decisions or action items came out of this. Probably should get a ticket open for the Board to create a definite decision * respins and revisor ** These action items came out of it: * ACTION: cwickert to create correspondingsource package lists for respins (cwickert, 19:07:07) * ACTION: Southern_Gentlem to ask infrastructure how to make the SRPMs of respins available (cwickert, 19:07:29) ** revisor is not currently seeing development. pungi and livecd-tools are currently working and supported ] * Review of Trademark Guidelines Draft and possible approval (rbergeron, 19:09:47) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pchestek/TMGuidelinesDraft (rbergeron, 19:10:12) * ambassador giveaways section has requested changes to it (rbergeron, 19:11:48) * LINK: http://www.ivanhoffman.com/naked.html (jds2001, 19:20:37) * ACTION: ke4qqq will ask legal whether the new ambassadors portion of the policy attempts to protect the trademark or merely make tracking of something for legal easier (abadger1999, 19:38:47) * ACTION: ke4qqq to summarize questions and answers about the policy for interested parties to read. (abadger1999, 19:44:39) * AGREED: approval of TM guidelines will wait another week pending responses to questions and possible proposed changes (rbergeron, 19:45:24) * Ticket #134 use of fedora logo in Boxes (rbergeron, 19:46:05) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Promotional_events (inode0, 19:53:08) * ACTION: ke4qqq to respond to ticket/email indicating permission granted (rbergeron, 20:02:12) * Other tickets postponed until next meeting or otherwise indicated. (rbergeron, 20:03:28) Meeting ended at 20:03:30 UTC. Action Items ------------ * cwickert to create correspondingsource package lists for respins * Southern_Gentlem to ask infrastructure how to make the SRPMs of respins available * ke4qqq will ask legal whether the new ambassadors portion of the policy attempts to protect the trademark or merely make tracking of something for legal easier * ke4qqq to summarize questions and answers about the policy for interested parties to read. * ke4qqq to respond to ticket/email indicating permission granted Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cwickert * cwickert to create correspondingsource package lists for respins * ke4qqq * ke4qqq will ask legal whether the new ambassadors portion of the policy attempts to protect the trademark or merely make tracking of something for legal easier * ke4qqq to summarize questions and answers about the policy for interested parties to read. * ke4qqq to respond to ticket/email indicating permission granted * Southern_Gentlem * Southern_Gentlem to ask infrastructure how to make the SRPMs of respins available * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (111) * cwickert (55) * jds2001 (51) * rdieter (48) * ke4qqq (38) * abadger1999 (36) * inode0 (30) * pingou (28) * Southern_Gentlem (12) * tatica (9) * cpuobsessed (8) * zeenix (7) * jreznik_ (6) * nirik (4) * zodbot (4) * brunowolff (3) * rudi (1) * MarkDude (1) * jsmith (1) * gholms (1) * shaiton (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Meeting Minutes from the Fedora Engineering Open House
by Tom Callaway 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

Thanks everyone for participating in today's IRC Open House. Here are the minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/fedora-meeting.2… ~tom == Fedora Project

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-02-23)
by Kevin Fenzi 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-02-23) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-23/irc-support-sig.… Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:01) * Week in review (nirik, 17:02:39) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:02:40) * Tickets (nirik, 17:04:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik, 17:04:57) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:05:25) Meeting ended at 17:13:20 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (22) * Sonar_Gal (10) * dcr226 (4) * zodbot (3) * FranciscoD (3) * jsmith (2) * FranciscoD|away (1) -- 17:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-02-23) 17:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 23 17:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:11 <nirik> who's around for an irc support sig meeting? 17:01:14 * Sonar_Gal 17:01:58 * dcr226 tips his cap 17:02:10 * jsmith is busy, but will try to lurk 17:02:33 <nirik> I didn't have much earthshattering today... so lets go ahead and dive in. 17:02:39 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:02:40 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:02:52 <nirik> was a pretty slow week it seemed like... nothing really stands out too much for me. 17:04:11 <nirik> anyone have anything they would like to note from the past week? 17:04:57 <nirik> #topic Tickets 17:04:57 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 17:05:02 <nirik> we have no tickets this week. 17:05:16 * jsmith doesn't have anything of note from the past week 17:05:25 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:05:32 <nirik> Anyone have any items for open floor? 17:05:36 <nirik> I did have one note: 17:06:07 <nirik> I have updated the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig page with the voting process, etc... please do check over that page and correct any errors or add content. 17:06:15 <Sonar_Gal> not really was a pretty quiet week all around 17:07:30 * FranciscoD|away is here too 17:07:42 <nirik> we may see a influx of people at alpha time next week... be sure and politely point them to #fedora-qa 17:09:08 <FranciscoD> noted 17:09:11 <nirik> ok, if no one has any issues, will close out the meeting in a minute... 17:09:15 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, we may want to put that note into the topic of the -ops channel to remind everyone to point people to the qa channel 17:09:47 <nirik> sure. 17:10:29 <Sonar_Gal> I saw 17 went gold so there may even be new users in the following weeks 17:10:52 <Sonar_Gal> I just think everyone needs to remember patience and behavior 17:11:05 <nirik> 17 alpha, yeah. ;) 17:11:15 <Sonar_Gal> other then that nothing else to add 17:12:11 * dcr226 throws a donut to Sonar_Gal 17:12:27 <Sonar_Gal> dcr226, Don't temp me!!! 17:12:28 <dcr226> krispy kreme ;-) 17:12:32 <Sonar_Gal> yuck 17:12:37 <dcr226> Heh 17:12:37 <FranciscoD> lol 17:12:43 <Sonar_Gal> never mind temptation was thrown out the door 17:12:49 <FranciscoD> nirik: you'd better endmeeting now :) 17:13:02 <Sonar_Gal> haha 17:13:17 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone... 17:13:20 <nirik> #endmeeting

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KDE-SIG meeting report (08/2012)
by Jaroslav Reznik 23 Feb '12

23 Feb '12

This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. = Weekly KDE Summary = Week: 08/2012 Time: 2012-02-21 15:00 UTC Meeting page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-02-21 Meeting minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-21/kde-sig.2012-02-… Meeting log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-21/kde-sig.2012-02-… ------------------------------------------------------------------------ = Participants = * jreznik * rdieter * rnovacek * Kevin_Kofler * than * ltinkl ------------------------------------------------------------------------ = Agenda = * topics to discuss: ** alpha blockers ** compositing by default for f17 ** brno fad wrapup ** touch enabled apps * recent bugs: == Summary == compositing and llvmpipe in F17 * the only alpha blocker proposal is llvmpipe breakage (794835) * AGREED: (+5/-1) proposal 1: disable/omit llvmpipe kwin patch * (+1,-5) rejected proposal 2: disable kwin compositing by default (for now, re-evaluate for f17beta) * ACTION: rdieter to implement proposal 1 after meeting Brno FAD wrap-up * new colored systray icons for 4.8, done, not uploaded yet by kkofler * update of git-cola in Fedora to latest upstream, done in Rawhide, in updates-testing for F1[567] by kkofler * Solid udisks2 front, a first compilable version was finished and pushed to kdelibs git by ltinkl * plasma-active packaged by jreznik and rnovacek * Qt 5 talk by jreznik * the plan is to ship KDE Telepathy as default, worked by rdieter and mck182 * comps were updated to take split packages effect by rdieter * mck182 finished his Firemuk extenstion to save download URL to Nepomuk as metada = Next Meeting = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2012-02-28 = Links = -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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Fedora 17 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD(en mustard color)!
by Robyn Bergeron 22 Feb '12

22 Feb '12

At the F17 Alpha Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 17 Alpha release (RC4) was declared GOLD, and ready for shipment on February 28, 2012. GOLD is the color of mustard, and, as you know, mustard indicates progress. A huge thank you to everyone who made this on-time(!!!) Alpha release possible. My (occasionally inaccurate) research tells me that the last time we shipped an Alpha according to schedule was Fedora 10. That is some excellent progress, in my humble opinion :) Meeting details can be seen here: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-22/f17_alpha_go_n… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-22/f17_alpha_go_n… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-22/f17_alpha_go_n… Full minutes are posted below. RELEASE THE HOT DOGS! -Robyn ============================================= #fedora-meeting-1: F17 Alpha Go No-Go Meeting ============================================= Meeting started by rbergeron at 22:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-02-22/f17_alpha_go_n… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (rbergeron, 22:00:19) * tflink is here for QA (rbergeron, 22:00:45) * nirik here for fesco/devel in some way; dgilmore here for rel-eng (rbergeron, 22:01:49) * also present: rbergeron for wranglin', brunowolff for awesomeness and helpfulness (rbergeron, 22:02:07) * We are Gathered to Serve a Alpha Taste Test of The Beefy Miracle, and determine if we are ready to ship said Holiness. (rbergeron, 22:02:43) * Looking have the blocker list clear: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (rbergeron, 22:03:09) * Test Matrices need to be complete (rbergeron, 22:03:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_17_Alpha_RC4_Install (rbergeron, 22:03:30) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_17_Alpha_RC4_Desktop (rbergeron, 22:03:44) * This will determine if release criteria have been met, if we can ship. (rbergeron, 22:03:57) * Release Blocker Review (rbergeron, 22:05:07) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (rbergeron, 22:05:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796261 (tflink, 22:06:58) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796261 (tflink, 22:07:03) * Bootloader not installed? (F17 Alpha RC4) (tflink, 22:07:18) * AGREED: - 796261 - RejectedBlocker - This seems to be an isolated incident since we have several positive results and only the one negative (tflink, 22:10:30) * No more remaining blockers for F17 alpha. (rbergeron, 22:10:44) * Test Matrices (rbergeron, 22:12:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_17_Alpha_RC4_Install (rbergeron, 22:12:19) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_17_Alpha_RC4_Desktop (rbergeron, 22:12:22) * remaining failures on test cases for alpha are not blockers (related to creation of usb media; issue is with livecd-tools and not alpha itself, should have a new build in the next few days) (rbergeron, 22:13:57) * AGREED: Test Matrices are acceptably complete, given livecd-tools fix coming, things look great and we have many other install methods working properly. (rbergeron, 22:16:32) * The Hot Dog Looks Tasty and Ready. Can we ship F17 Alpha? (rbergeron, 22:17:05) * AGREED: All criteria for shipping F17 alpha are met; QA, rel-eng, devel are prepared to ship on tuesday. (rbergeron, 22:20:45) * AGREED: F17 Alpha RC4 is accepted as Alpha! (rbergeron, 22:21:23) * Thanks to everyone for an on-time Alpha release, you rock! RELEASE THE HOT DOGS! (rbergeron, 22:22:17) * ACTION: rbergeron to send out GOLD announcement and meeting logs (rbergeron, 22:22:34) * Any other business? (rbergeron, 22:22:40) Meeting ended at 22:24:50 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to send out GOLD announcement and meeting logs Action Items, by person ----------------------- * rbergeron * rbergeron to send out GOLD announcement and meeting logs * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (65) * tflink (20) * adamw (14) * dgilmore (7) * nirik (6) * brunowolff (5) * zodbot (5) * satellit_ (3) * jsmith (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-02-22 minutes
by Christoph Wickert 22 Feb '12

22 Feb '12

The first meeting after 4 weeks. I have to admit I'm still somewhat disappointed that nobody took over my meeting when I was absent. Anyway, here are the minutes. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/emea_ambassadors… Meet you again on Wednesday, March 7th (two weeks from now) at 20:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting! Regards, Christoph ==================================================== #fedora-meeting: EMEA Ambassadors meeting 2012-02-22 ==================================================== Meeting started by cwickert at 20:04:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/emea_ambassadors… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (cwickert, 20:04:31) * Announcements (cwickert, 20:11:18) * Fedora has been registered as a Project for Linux-Tag Berlin. cwickert and twoerner will be event owners (cwickert, 20:12:18) * ACTION: cwickert to send out a mail about Linux-Tag to the mailing list (cwickert, 20:12:37) * Red Hat Developer conference took place in Brno. It was a huge success as it was the biggest Linux event in Czech ever by the number of participants (cwickert, 20:15:08) * ACTION: attendees of devconf to write their event reports (cwickert, 20:15:33) * Events (cwickert, 20:18:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events (cwickert, 20:18:44) * if you know of any events, add them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events (cwickert, 20:20:22) * if you are attending CLT and need a hotel room, add yourself to the table at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2012#Accomodation ASAP. cwickert will take care of the booking then (cwickert, 20:23:22) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events (gnokii, 20:27:36) * ACTION: gnokii to fix the 'Events' page and update it with EMEA events (cwickert, 20:33:28) * Linuxwochen Wien is looking for talks. For details see http://cfp.linuxwochen.at/cfp_wien/ (cwickert, 20:35:42) * deadline for call for papers for Linuxwochen Wien is 2012-04-01 (cwickert, 20:36:37) * Discussion on FUDCon Bids for FUDCon EMEA 2012 (cwickert, 20:36:51) * ACTION: t2hot to register the booth at IDLELO and provide payment details to kital (cwickert, 20:44:53) * ACTION: t2hot to file a ticket for swag (cwickert, 20:45:04) * we have 3 FUDCon bids: Budapest, Zurich and Paris (cwickert, 20:45:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:EMEA_2012_Bid_Budapest (cwickert, 20:45:58) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Paris_2012 (cwickert, 20:46:03) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Zurich_2012 (cwickert, 20:46:08) * Action items from previous meetings (cwickert, 20:54:36) * ACTION: t2hot to provide details about payment for sponsoring in the trac ticket (cwickert, 20:56:55) * ACTION: zoltanh7211 to create a wiki page about LinuxWochen Vienna (cwickert, 20:58:05) * Open Floor (cwickert, 20:59:36) Meeting ended at 21:16:10 UTC. Action Items ------------ * cwickert to send out a mail about Linux-Tag to the mailing list * attendees of devconf to write their event reports * gnokii to fix the 'Events' page and update it with EMEA events * t2hot to register the booth at IDLELO and provide payment details to kital * t2hot to file a ticket for swag * t2hot to provide details about payment for sponsoring in the trac ticket * zoltanh7211 to create a wiki page about LinuxWochen Vienna Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cwickert * cwickert to send out a mail about Linux-Tag to the mailing list * gnokii * gnokii to fix the 'Events' page and update it with EMEA events * t2hot * t2hot to register the booth at IDLELO and provide payment details to kital * t2hot to file a ticket for swag * t2hot to provide details about payment for sponsoring in the trac ticket * **UNASSIGNED** * attendees of devconf to write their event reports * zoltanh7211 to create a wiki page about LinuxWochen Vienna

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Fwd: FAmNA Meeting (22 February 2012)
by inode0 21 Feb '12

21 Feb '12

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM Subject: FAmNA Meeting (22 February 2012) To: Fedora Ambassadors <ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> #fedora-meeting: FAmNA Meeting started by inode0 at 02:00:31 UTC (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/famna.2012-02-22…) Meeting summary 1. Roll Call (inode0, 02:00:55) 2. Announcements (inode0, 02:03:52) 3. Tickets (inode0, 02:07:16) 1. ACTION: inode0 will create an event page for PyCon US (inode0, 02:11:24) 2. ACTION: makfinsky will create an event page on the wiki for POSSCON (inode0, 02:15:28) 3. ACTION: graphite6 will create an event page for NELF (inode0, 02:21:37) 4. https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/265 (inode0, 02:36:52) 5. ACTION: chanchito touches base with Southern_Gentlem regarding getting media in the event box (inode0, 02:42:39) 4. Open Floor (inode0, 02:46:31) Meeting ended at 03:00:34 UTC (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-22/famna.2012-02-22…) Action items 1. inode0 will create an event page for PyCon US 2. makfinsky will create an event page on the wiki for POSSCON 3. graphite6 will create an event page for NELF 4. chanchito touches base with Southern_Gentlem regarding getting media in the event box Action items, by person 1. chanchito 1. chanchito touches base with Southern_Gentlem regarding getting media in the event box 2. graphite6 1. graphite6 will create an event page for NELF 3. inode0 1. inode0 will create an event page for PyCon US 4. makfinsky 1. makfinsky will create an event page on the wiki for POSSCON People present (lines said) 1. inode0 (108) 2. chanchito (52) 3. makfinsky (21) 4. rbergeron (20) 5. graphite6 (17) 6. abadger1999 (12) 7. zodbot (10) 8. award3535 (8) 9. nb (6) 10. Zethrus (3) 11. dramsey (3) 12. kk4ewt (2) 13. MarkDude (2) John

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2012-02-20 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 20 Feb '12

20 Feb '12

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120220 Next meeting is scheduled for 2012-02-27 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120227 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * kparal found that daily installer composes do happen, and RATS is now running daily using them TOPIC: Fedora 17 Alpha status review ======================================================================= As usual, this became a mini blocker review meeting: * #787744 is not an Alpha blocker: it appears to affect PXE boot only, and we don't consider that critical enough to block Alpha * #794899 is accepted as NTH, blocker status left undetermined as we are investigating how workaround-able the bug is * need more data to determine blocker status of #795164, we should test whether others can reproduce and what keymaps are affected today and re-vote via bug comments TOPIC: Release criteria & validation test update round-up ======================================================================= * Now require all installation interfaces to work at final * Tweaked the installer bug reporting criterion * Dropped efidisk.img test case * Added a criterion for memtest to be present * Require updates.img from HTTP to work * Require checksums to be provided * Re-jigged the level of quite a lot of test cases in the validation matrix to properly reflect the criteria * Have a big set of new USB boot test cases Thanks Petr and Josef! TOPIC: Upcoming QA events ======================================================================= * Go/No-Go 02/22 TOPIC: AutoQA update ======================================================================= * rats_install is now up and running daily and reporting results[1] TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= N/A ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= N/A [1] http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/resultsdb/frontend/search?type=Testcase… -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Docs meeting summary -- 20 February 2012
by Ben Cotton 20 Feb '12

20 Feb '12

Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:22) * Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:03:30) * Release Notes (bcotton, 14:04:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule (bcotton, 14:04:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats (bcotton, 14:04:50) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Alpha_release_notes (zoglesby, 14:06:50) * ACTION: claneys to finish the Alpha Release Notes (bcotton, 14:10:10) * ACTION: bcotton to write alpha announcment (bcotton, 14:17:26) * Docs representative for Release Readiness meeting (bcotton, 14:21:21) * rbergeron wants someone to represent Docs at the meeting on 3pm EST on Feb 23 (bcotton, 14:21:43) * ACTION: bcotton to attend Release Readiness meeting (bcotton, 14:24:20) * Guide Status (bcotton, 14:24:57) * LINK: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html (bcotton, 14:25:04) * Open floor discussion (bcotton, 14:28:30) Meeting ended at 14:44:07 UTC. Action Items ------------ * claneys to finish the Alpha Release Notes * bcotton to write alpha announcment * bcotton to attend Release Readiness meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to write alpha announcment * bcotton to attend Release Readiness meeting * claneys * claneys to finish the Alpha Release Notes * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcotton (39) * jjmcd_ (33) * zoglesby (13) * claneys (9) * jsmith (5) * zodbot (3) * shaiton (1) * pkovar (1) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-20/fedora_docs.2012… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-20/fedora_docs.2012… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-20/fedora_docs.2012… -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes :: 2012-02-17
by Robyn Bergeron 17 Feb '12

17 Feb '12

Thanks for coming! :) Logs: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-17/cloud.2012-02-17… Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-17/cloud.2012-02-17… -Robyn ======================================== #fedora-meeting: Cloud SIG (17 Feb 2012) ======================================== Meeting started by gholms at 19:00:24 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-17/cloud.2012-02-17… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (gholms, 19:00:34) * Eucalyptus (rbergeron, 19:05:04) * only a dozen or so packages left for euca till it's fully baked (rbergeron, 19:06:34) * (aarapov, 19:07:37) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eucalyptus (mull, 19:08:23) * packaging progress page for euca has been rewritten to reflect remaining work (rbergeron, 19:08:45) * ehcache-core expected by next week; axis2c has some possible FHS issues that gholms is working with s p o t (rbergeron, 19:11:13) * expectation is that by next weekish we should be able to build a functional euca pkg with web ui and reporting module disabled; UI will get enabled with gwt lands (rbergeron, 19:12:37) * ACTION: rbergeron to harass, er, ask mull gently about euca test day in hte next meeting (rbergeron, 19:13:01) * Cloudstack (rbergeron, 19:13:19) * one remaining dep - with lots of deps itself, but is shared with euca, so they are collaborating. (ehcache-core) (rbergeron, 19:14:27) * hoping to make more progress on packaging next week, to the point of being packaged and in decent shape to be reviewed. (rbergeron, 19:15:58) * gluster/heka-land (rbergeron, 19:16:22) * ACTION: jdarcy to tell johnmark that he should take jdarcy to dinner (rbergeron, 19:17:35) * LINK: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Clo… (rbergeron, 19:19:38) * EC2 (rbergeron, 19:23:44) * OpenStack (rbergeron, 19:25:46) * Nova and Glance are updated to Essex so far (rbergeron, 19:29:09) * LINK: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=297684 (russellb, 19:32:30) * Any other business? aka Open Floor (rbergeron, 19:40:56) * LINK: http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2012/01/05/oracle-hosted-xen-hackathon/ (ke4qqq, 19:43:18) * Xen hackathon at the Oracle Campus March 6 - 8 (rbergeron, 19:44:39) * http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2012/01/05/oracle-hosted-xen-hackathon/ (rbergeron, 19:45:26) * feel free to come along, says ke4qqq (rbergeron, 19:45:52) Meeting ended at 19:47:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to harass, er, ask mull gently about euca test day in hte next meeting * jdarcy to tell johnmark that he should take jdarcy to dinner Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jdarcy * jdarcy to tell johnmark that he should take jdarcy to dinner * mull * rbergeron to harass, er, ask mull gently about euca test day in hte next meeting * rbergeron * rbergeron to harass, er, ask mull gently about euca test day in hte next meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (111) * gholms (25) * mull (22) * russellb (21) * ke4qqq (20) * rackerjoe (13) * jdarcy (10) * kkeithley (8) * zodbot (4) * jforbes (2) * spot (2) * aarapov (2) * obino (1) * tdawson (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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F17 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #4 Minutes
by Tim Flink 17 Feb '12

17 Feb '12

============================================== #fedora-bugzappers: F17-alpha-blocker-review-4 ============================================== Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-02-17/f17-alpha-blo… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-02-17/f17-alpha-blo… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-02-17/f17-alpha-blo… Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (tflink, 17:00:35) * Introduction (tflink, 17:08:37) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 17:08:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (tflink, 17:09:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 17:09:08) * 3 proposed blockers (tflink, 17:09:18) * 3 accepted blockers (tflink, 17:09:18) * 1 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:09:18) * (771484) ldap_result does not succeed for sssd (tflink, 17:10:08) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771484 (tflink, 17:10:08) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:10:08) * AGREED: - 771484 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - This doesn't clearly violate any release criteria but it does prevent login on systems that use external auth - a tested fix would be OK for alpha NTH. If the bug ends up being more serious than it seems right now, will re-visit (tflink, 17:17:09) * (790522) Private /tmp are broken (tflink, 17:17:21) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790522 (tflink, 17:17:21) * Proposed Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 17:17:21) * AGREED: - 790522 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - This has already been pulled in to F17 Alpha RC2 and has the potential to cause other problems (tflink, 17:23:56) * (789271) firstboot-text prevents system from booting (tflink, 17:24:00) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=789271 (tflink, 17:24:00) * Proposed Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 17:24:00) * AGREED: - RejectedBlocker - This is reported to be fixed, blocker status is not needed. Ask reporter to close the bug (tflink, 17:27:27) * (790537) [abrt] kernel: WARNING: at arch/x86/kernel/traps.c:729 do_device_not_available+0x33/0x40() (tflink, 17:27:55) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790537 (tflink, 17:27:59) * Proposed NTH, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:28:01) * AGREED: - 790537 - AcceptedNTH - This isn't a major functional issue but it is visable and will likely generate a lot of bug reports against alpha - a well tested fix would be accepted (tflink, 17:33:12) * (787744) RuntimeError: device is already mapped (F17 Alpha TC1) (tflink, 17:35:28) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787744 (tflink, 17:35:32) * Accepted Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:35:34) * information needed from reporter, it's possible that this wasn't fixed but also possible that there was an error in testing (tflink, 17:40:19) * ACTION: adamw to poke jskladan to update 787744 (adamw, 17:41:06) * (787261) Fedora 17 Alpha TC1 still has all F16 artwork (tflink, 17:41:34) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787261 (tflink, 17:41:34) * Accepted Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 17:41:34) * Package has been fixed, need karma for fedora-logos-17.0.0-1.fc17 (tflink, 17:44:16) * (791032) repoclosure failure in 17-Alpha.RC2 DVDs (ceph-0.37-2.fc17) (tflink, 17:44:33) * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=791032 (tflink, 17:44:36) * Accepted Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:44:39) * packages are fixed, will be pulled into the next RC (tflink, 17:45:12) * karma is needed for ceph-0.4101.fc17 and gperftools-2.0-4.fc17 (tflink, 17:46:16) * open floor (tflink, 17:47:15) * (787461) system halts at first reboot after install (tflink, 17:50:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787461 (tflink, 17:50:37) * Proposed Bliocker, NEW (tflink, 17:50:37) * AGREED: - 787461 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must be able to complete an installation using the text, graphical and VNC installation interfaces (tflink, 17:54:13) * more testing is needed, preferrably a run on bare-metal (tflink, 18:11:34) * (783712) No wireless Access points - Fedora-17-Nightly-20120120.10-i686-Live-soas.iso (tflink, 18:17:29) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783712 (tflink, 18:17:33) * Proposed NTH, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:17:35) * AGREED: - 783712 - It's not 100% clear how many DEs are affected by this - more testing is needed to determine impact and to make a decision on NTH for F17 Alpha (tflink, 18:19:47) * open floor (tflink, 18:21:39) * No blocker meeting scheduled for next week unless F17 Alpha slips (tflink, 18:23:31) * Will announce meeting if we end up having one (tflink, 18:23:50) Meeting ended at 18:27:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ * adamw to poke jskladan to update 787744 Action Items, by person ----------------------- * adamw * adamw to poke jskladan to update 787744 * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (146) * adamw (91) * Viking-Ice (43) * buggbot (14) * satellit_ (12) * jwb (10) * robatino (9) * brunowolff (6) * zodbot (4) * jforbes (3) * nirik (1) * davej (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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2012-02-13 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120213 Next meeting is scheduled for 2012-02-20 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120220 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * adamw successfully co-ordinated with dgilmore to get TC2 rolled TOPIC: Upcoming QA events ======================================================================= * RC1 scheduled for this week, see open blockers[1] TOPIC: AutoQA update ======================================================================= * f17 anaconda changes have broken rats_install, hongqing is working to fix it * kparal created a Config class in autoqa to avoid excessive config file parsing * 'ignored builds' now treated as pass rather than fail to avoid excessively high failure counts and reports * tflink fixed a bug that caused some tests to misbehave at staging * resultsdb deployment to production planned for next autoqa release, which is coming ASAP TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= N/A ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= * kparal to check with releng on the status of daily installer image builds for RATS testing [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-02-16)
by Kevin Fenzi 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-02-16) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-16/irc-support-sig.… Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:01) * Week in review (nirik, 17:05:07) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:05:07) * Tickets (nirik, 17:06:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik, 17:07:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/100 (nirik, 17:07:13) * suggest more politeness when pointing people to eol or other resources. (nirik, 17:15:50) * Processes (nirik, 17:17:51) * AGREED: will enact the v4 proposal, and adjust moving forward. (nirik, 17:26:21) * ACTION: nirik will codify on the wiki in a few days. (nirik, 17:26:33) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:26:39) Meeting ended at 17:31:06 UTC. Action Items ------------ * nirik will codify on the wiki in a few days. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nirik * nirik will codify on the wiki in a few days. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (52) * Sonar_Gal (16) * dcr226 (9) * fenrus02 (6) * FranciscoD (5) * Sonar_Guy (3) * zodbot (3) * N3LRX (2) * bodhizazen (1) -- 17:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-02-16) 17:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 16 17:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:35 * N3LRX is here 17:01:07 * Sonar_Gal 17:01:17 * fenrus02 is a zombie .. n33z moar brainz 17:01:29 <nirik> huh. 17:01:31 * FranciscoD is here to watch 17:01:41 * nirik will wait until 5 after to start to let folks wander in. 17:03:04 * bodhizazen is semi-here =) 17:03:43 * dcr226 is Loading ████████████ 99% 17:04:04 <nirik> ha 17:04:54 <dcr226> looked better in gedit ;-) 17:05:03 <FranciscoD> showoff :P 17:05:05 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in... 17:05:07 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:05:07 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:05:18 <nirik> pretty typical week again... 17:05:26 <nirik> anyone have anything they would like to note or shout out about? 17:06:02 <fenrus02> i have a long list of things to shout about. none related to this meeting however 17:06:12 <nirik> indeed. 17:06:32 <dcr226> fenrus02, not enough lunch meetings this week? feeling grumpy? 17:06:35 * dcr226 hides 17:06:45 <fenrus02> dcr226, see -social for why 17:06:48 <Sonar_Gal> not enough bacon 17:06:49 <nirik> more martini's at lunch meetings needed? ;) 17:06:55 <nirik> anyhow... moving along then... 17:06:56 <fenrus02> Sonar_Gal, clearly that is the problem 17:06:59 <nirik> #topic Tickets 17:07:00 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 17:07:06 <nirik> we have one ticket this week... 17:07:13 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/100 17:07:25 <nirik> eol fedora questions and questions from non-fedora users 17:08:33 * nirik re-reads. 17:09:28 <nirik> I think really the only thing we can try and do here is be more polite... even to people who are offtopic/notusingfedora/eol 17:09:43 <Sonar_Gal> many people don't use fedora but if someone is asking if a specific package/program is in the repo's may mean more potential users in time. 17:10:33 <nirik> yep 17:10:44 <Sonar_Gal> can always send them to another channel or tell them where they can look to see what repo's there are 17:11:03 <nirik> yeah. I agree. 17:12:16 <nirik> so, any other specific ideas or recommendations we can come up with here? 17:12:50 <Sonar_Gal> Just be more polite and send them to where they need to be. Other channels or a link to the repo list 17:13:16 * Sonar_Guy 17:13:23 <nirik> yeah. I think fedora-eol is pretty much dead right? 17:13:38 <Sonar_Gal> I think so. 17:13:40 <nirik> perhaps we should nuke it, but then I don't know where to tell folks to try and get info. 17:13:52 <dcr226> google 17:14:10 <nirik> yeah. 17:14:13 <FranciscoD> + "please update to a current release, the bug may have been fixed already" 17:14:15 <Sonar_Gal> google or even fedora forum probably has old links and such 17:14:32 <nirik> FranciscoD: yeah, we always should suggest that. Some people resist for whatever reason. 17:14:38 <nirik> Or they want to, but haven't yet. 17:15:02 <Sonar_Gal> if it was a new packager he may not have gotten all the info from pervious packager 17:15:44 <Sonar_Gal> Not sure if anything is set up for that kind of problem 17:15:50 <nirik> #info suggest more politeness when pointing people to eol or other resources. 17:16:08 <Sonar_Gal> +1 17:16:18 <Sonar_Guy> +1 17:16:22 <FranciscoD> +1 17:16:30 <nirik> ok, would someone care to add info and close the ticket? (I can, since I was also planning on commenting, but never got to it) 17:16:39 <FranciscoD> politeness at all times really, whatever the case may be 17:17:17 <Sonar_Gal> nirik, ok you can or I can 17:17:36 <nirik> Sonar_Gal: go ahead. I can add my comment when I get a chance... 17:17:41 <Sonar_Gal> ok 17:17:46 <nirik> thanks 17:17:51 <nirik> #topic Processes 17:18:01 <nirik> So, we had a proposal v4 on voting stuff... 17:18:20 <nirik> I know EvilBob had some concerns still... but he's not able to make it today and hasn't sent them to the list yet. 17:18:38 <nirik> Did we want to wait another week ? or just enact this version and modify from there? 17:19:37 <Sonar_Guy> +1 to enact this version then modify as needed! 17:19:44 <nirik> I'm open to either I guess... but I just want us to get something moving/done. ;) 17:19:52 <Sonar_Gal> +1 enact then modify 17:19:54 <fenrus02> +1 accept and move on 17:20:58 <N3LRX> +1 for v4 17:21:10 <Sonar_Gal> There are going to be issues with anything we do but we can always modify at a later date 17:21:27 <nirik> yeah, I'm 100% sure we will come up with some changes needed... 17:21:33 <fenrus02> even if you solve world hunger, someone will still complain. 17:21:34 <nirik> but at least this way we have a framework in place 17:21:57 <nirik> any other votes/concerns? 17:23:31 * Sonar_Gal smacks dcr226 to get his attention 17:23:47 <dcr226> eh, whut? 17:23:50 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem ? dcr226 ? 17:23:58 <dcr226> nah, I don't mind 17:25:16 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and enact that now and then adjust based on issues. 17:25:23 <nirik> would someone care to codify it into the wiki? 17:25:33 * nirik could, but might be a while before I get time to. 17:25:48 <dcr226> nah, I don't mind: Doing three things at once, do your thing...stop deliberating and do something 17:25:53 <dcr226> :-) 17:26:21 <nirik> #agreed will enact the v4 proposal, and adjust moving forward. 17:26:33 <nirik> #action nirik will codify on the wiki in a few days. 17:26:39 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:26:44 <nirik> anything for open floor? 17:27:24 <Sonar_Gal> Not that I can think of at this time 17:29:39 * nirik will close out in a minute then 17:31:03 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 17:31:06 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Fedora Videos meeting logs
by María Leandro 16 Feb '12

16 Feb '12

<zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Feb 16 16:26:01 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . <zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-16/fedora-meeting.2… <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-16/fedora-meeting.2… <zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-16/fedora-meeting.2… -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

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FAmNA Meeting (15 February 2012)
by inode0 14 Feb '12

14 Feb '12

#fedora-meeting: FAmNA Meeting started by inode0 at 02:00:23 UTC (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-15/famna.2012-02-15…) Meeting summary 1. 1. is eating bacon cheeseburger pizza during this meating (nb, 02:00:25) 2. Roll Call (inode0, 02:00:40) 1. we like steaks at meatings (nb, 02:00:40) 3. Announcements (inode0, 02:02:31) 1. bpowell01 is stepping down as a shipper (nb, 02:02:59) 2. If anyone has expenses for which they need reimbursement from the past year, now is the time to produce those receipts and so forth (rbergeron, 02:03:44) 4. Tickets (inode0, 02:07:02) 1. ACTION: kk4ewt will send table covers and banners to LFNE (inode0, 02:13:23) 2. ACTION: inode0 will follow up and help Mario get tickets processed and make sure he gets event resources (inode0, 02:18:44) 3. ACTION: rbergeron goes for prodding along of flyer for pycon :) (inode0, 02:23:39) 4. ACTION: inode0 will check with abadger1999 about volume and assortment of other material (inode0, 02:24:11) 5. ACTION: nb to follow up with bpepple regarding ILF planning (inode0, 02:28:54) 6. ACTION: rbergeron will ping suehle and inode0 will ping makfinsky about POSSCON (inode0, 02:31:31) 7. http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page (rbergeron, 02:51:30) 8. ACTION: inode0 will hunt down Greg Kerr and lure him into going to a conference for us (inode0, 02:55:16) 9. this is an event I was hoping to get some feedback from ke4qqq about (rbergeron, 02:56:13) 10. this conference has two parts - first 3 days are design summit, for contributors, mostly about setting direction of the project for next 6 months (rbergeron, 02:57:16) 11. second half is for users, potential contributors, etc. - and there typically have been a few booths, at least at the one i previously attended (rbergeron, 02:57:47) 5. Open Floor (inode0, 03:02:30) 1. http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2012/ (Jsandys, 03:07:04) Meeting ended at 03:12:56 UTC (http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-15/famna.2012-02-15…) Action items 1. kk4ewt will send table covers and banners to LFNE 2. inode0 will follow up and help Mario get tickets processed and make sure he gets event resources 3. rbergeron goes for prodding along of flyer for pycon :) 4. inode0 will check with abadger1999 about volume and assortment of other material 5. nb to follow up with bpepple regarding ILF planning 6. rbergeron will ping suehle and inode0 will ping makfinsky about POSSCON 7. inode0 will hunt down Greg Kerr and lure him into going to a conference for us Action items, by person 1. inode0 1. inode0 will follow up and help Mario get tickets processed and make sure he gets event resources 2. inode0 will check with abadger1999 about volume and assortment of other material 3. rbergeron will ping suehle and inode0 will ping makfinsky about POSSCON 4. inode0 will hunt down Greg Kerr and lure him into going to a conference for us 2. kk4ewt 1. kk4ewt will send table covers and banners to LFNE 3. nb 1. nb to follow up with bpepple regarding ILF planning 4. rbergeron 1. rbergeron goes for prodding along of flyer for pycon :) 2. rbergeron will ping suehle and inode0 will ping makfinsky about POSSCON People present (lines said) 1. inode0 (121) 2. rbergeron (82) 3. nb (19) 4. zodbot (16) 5. Jsandys (14) 6. kk4ewt (5) 7. award3535 (2) 8. SGS (1) 9. MarkDude (1) 10. jsmith (1) John

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FESCo Meeting Minutes (2012-02-13)
by Stephen Gallagher 13 Feb '12

13 Feb '12

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-02-13) =================================== Meeting started by sgallagh at 18:00:33 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-13/fesco.2012-02-13… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (sgallagh, 18:00:33) * #799 Issues with maintainer responsiveness (clamav) (sgallagh, 18:02:14) * AGREED: Ask ensc to document (at least by a link) the packaging rationale inside the package; close ticket and let philipp reopen with a specific proposal (sgallagh, 18:22:16) * #801 Feature Freeze Exception: Thermostat (sgallagh, 18:23:39) * AGREED: Thermostat is granted a Feature Exception (sgallagh, 18:31:05) * #802 F17 Features - progress at Feature Freeze (sgallagh, 18:31:23) * AGREED: move mkdumprd, eclipse juno to shiny-marketing features - those are leaf nodes (sgallagh, 18:39:13) * ACTION: FESCo members will review the critical Features and ask owners for updates (sgallagh, 19:09:15) * Next week's chair (sgallagh, 19:09:27) * ACTION: nirik to chair Feb 27 meeting (sgallagh, 19:12:49) * Open Floor (sgallagh, 19:12:56) * AGREED: close the ticket with thanks for the update, and no action currently (sgallagh, 19:23:23) Meeting ended at 19:36:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ * FESCo members will review the critical Features and ask owners for updates * nirik to chair Feb 27 meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nirik * nirik to chair Feb 27 meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * FESCo members will review the critical Features and ask owners for updates People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * sgallagh (124) * mitr (61) * limburgher (61) * pjones (37) * notting (37) * mjg59 (32) * nirik (25) * t8m (18) * mmaslano (13) * abadger1999 (11) * rbergeron (10) * nb (7) * zodbot (7) * omajid (3) * tibbs (2) * vanaltj (1) * ctyler (1) * dbhole (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Docs meeting summary -- 13 Feb 2012
by Ben Cotton 13 Feb '12

13 Feb '12

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-13/fedora_docs.2012… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-13/fedora_docs.2012… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-13/fedora_docs.2012… Meeting started by bcotton at 14:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-13/fedora_docs.2012… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:18) * Release Notes (bcotton, 14:05:20) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Notes_schedule (bcotton, 14:05:28) * Beats now open, take a beat, or re-take previous beat by removing * from your name at (bcotton, 14:05:40) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats (bcotton, 14:05:48) * ACTION: bcotton to ping docs ml one last time about beat writers (bcotton, 14:06:51) * Guide Status (bcotton, 14:14:26) * LINK: http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-docs-tree-tasks.html (bcotton, 14:14:35) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 14:18:23) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:18:31) * Open floor discussion (bcotton, 14:19:07) * ACTION: sparks to find out who will be managing the release calendars (bcotton, 14:23:28) Meeting ended at 14:26:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ * bcotton to ping docs ml one last time about beat writers * sparks to find out who will be managing the release calendars Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bcotton * bcotton to ping docs ml one last time about beat writers * **UNASSIGNED** * sparks to find out who will be managing the release calendars People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bcotton (33) * suehle (12) * Sparks (11) * jjmcd (9) * zodbot (3) * jsmith (2) * ke4qqq (1) -- Ben Cotton Fedora Docs Leader

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-02-09)
by Kevin Fenzi 09 Feb '12

09 Feb '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-02-09) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-02-09/infrastructure.2… Meeting summary --------------- * Robot Roll Call (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback (nirik, 19:01:44) * 2 factor auth status (nirik, 19:05:32) * LINK: http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2002-February/000312.html (skvidal, 19:07:16) * Staging re-work status (nirik, 19:08:20) * LINK: http://fpaste.org/RusC/ (nirik, 19:09:56) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:11:11) * we currently have just 9 rhel5 instances. 8 of them app servers and 1 a virthost that some app servers are on. ;) (nirik, 19:17:21) * Upcoming tasks (nirik, 19:22:34) * 2012-02-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:22:37) * 2012-02-14 to 2012-02-28 - F17 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 19:22:37) * 2012-02-28 - F17alpha release day (nirik, 19:22:37) * 2012-03-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 19:22:38) * 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 19:22:38) * 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze (nirik, 19:22:38) * 2012-04-01 - nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 19:22:40) * 2012-04-03 - F17Beta release day (nirik, 19:22:42) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:27:07) Meeting ended at 19:39:58 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (92) * skvidal (30) * lmacken (20) * abadger1999 (14) * pingou (12) * danstar (6) * zodbot (4) * CodeBlock (4) * threebean (2) * ianweller (1) * wsterling (1) * smooge (1) * mdomsch (1) * Smilers_ (1) * ricky (0) * dgilmore (0) * Codeblock (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-02-09) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 9 19:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal Codeblock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Codeblock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge 19:00:09 * skvidal is here 19:00:17 <ianweller> crooooooooooooow 19:00:18 * pingou pingou 19:00:23 <CodeBlock> here 19:00:39 <danstar> here 19:00:39 <mdomsch> here 19:00:41 <Smilers_> here 19:00:45 * abadger1999 here 19:00:57 <nirik> lots of folks. ;) nice. 19:01:42 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead then... 19:01:44 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback 19:01:54 <nirik> Any new folks like to introduce themselves ? 19:02:02 <pingou> lots of new folks on the list recently 19:02:05 <nirik> or apprentices like to talk about issues / tickets/ concnerns? 19:02:11 <danstar> i can start with intro :) 19:02:13 <nirik> yeah, there sure seems to be. 19:02:21 <nirik> danstar: welcome. Go ahead 19:02:30 <danstar> well, hi all again :) 19:02:54 <danstar> i'm a long time linux user, going into sysadmining more recently 19:03:22 <danstar> learning to recertify as RHSCA and then RHCE, have lots of free time so i'd like to help if possible 19:03:25 <nirik> excellent. 19:03:39 <nirik> see me after the meeting over in #fedora-admin and we can get you setup. 19:03:47 <danstar> ok 19:04:14 <smooge> here 19:04:18 * lmacken 19:04:19 <nirik> any other new folks like to introduce themselves? 19:05:16 <nirik> ok, lets move along then... 19:05:32 <nirik> #topic 2 factor auth status 19:05:59 <nirik> I talked with herlo some, I need to meet up and see exactly where we are. I'd like to get something in place before too long for our initial goal. 19:06:16 <nirik> I've been pointed to yet another pam module... 19:06:19 <nirik> pam_httpd 19:06:24 <nirik> sorry, pam_http 19:06:31 <skvidal> what does it do differently than the others? 19:06:37 <nirik> so, we have pam_otp, pam_http and pam_url 19:06:46 <skvidal> yay! 19:06:47 <nirik> I'm not sure, Ive not looked at it yet 19:07:07 <skvidal> umm 19:07:09 <skvidal> how OLD is it? 19:07:16 <skvidal> http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2002-February/000312.html 19:07:18 <nirik> Ideally we pick whichever one is smallest, does what we want and has someone working on it. 19:07:25 <nirik> it's ancient, but I have an updated one. 19:07:32 <nirik> I can fwd it to you if you want to look. 19:07:36 <skvidal> ah ha https://github.com/beatgammit/pam-http 19:08:06 <nirik> anyhow, hopefully in the next few weeks we can get something going. 19:08:20 <nirik> #topic Staging re-work status 19:08:31 <nirik> we kinda stalled out on this, but I think we know the way we want it to work now. 19:08:39 <skvidal> how many boxes left in staging, now? 19:08:43 <nirik> it's just a matter of setting up the application part in prod 19:08:54 * nirik looks at the last list from averi 19:09:56 <nirik> http://fpaste.org/RusC/ 19:10:12 <nirik> we were on the app machines. 19:10:58 <nirik> anyhow, just need to keep plugging away at it. 19:11:11 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:11:33 <nirik> lmacken / threebean / abadger1999 / pingou: any app status reports from this week? 19:11:54 <nirik> I really plan to start setting up a prod packaging setup soon. I keep getting sidetracked. 19:12:09 <nirik> comments on the url plan on the list would be welcome 19:12:17 <abadger1999> threebean has been working on the moksha API some. 19:12:42 <threebean> yeah, no changes to production anytime soon but I'm cleaning out some of the extra hangers-on in the moksha API 19:12:43 <lmacken> as for bodhi, I have been fixing a lot of bugs, and pushed out a new release last week. I'm prepping another release this week as well. Then [hopefully] I'll be full-steam towards bodhi v2.0. 19:13:02 <lmacken> yeah, threebean and I are also working on a major refactoring of moksha 19:13:12 <threebean> the plan -> https://fedorahosted.org/moksha/wiki/2.0 19:13:43 <pingou> I tried to work on getting a new plugin for FAS, might interest lmacken for bodhi at some point (it reworks the flash() function) 19:13:52 <nirik> cool. Did you want to finish that before pushing tagger/packager to production? or doesn't matter? 19:14:07 <abadger1999> Yeah, so we get a flash function that can do warnings and errors. 19:14:18 <lmacken> nirik: nah, the moksha refactoring shouldn't hold anything else back 19:14:20 * wsterling here 19:14:24 <nirik> lmacken: ok, cool. 19:14:25 <lmacken> pingou: oh, interesting. 19:14:29 <nirik> welcome wsterling 19:14:43 <abadger1999> EasyFix item if someone wants -- take the captcha implementation in current FAS and split it into its own package. 19:15:02 <pingou> abadger1999: I was wondering if we should put the code somewhere for this ? fh ? 19:15:24 <abadger1999> It's based on an existing standalone package, so whoever takes it will be able to compare to that to see what they're missing. 19:15:25 <pingou> as in fork it completely, since we already hacked it quite a bit 19:15:33 <abadger1999> pingou: Yeah, I agree. 19:15:45 <pingou> abadger1999: I 19:15:52 <pingou> I'll request the fh project then 19:15:54 <nirik> lmacken: oh, you said something a while back and I might have misunderstood, but you said you could make community (old) work on rhel6 pretty easily? or should we just retire community(old) when we get packager/tagger into production? 19:17:07 <lmacken> nirik: yes, I could probably get it working on RHEL6 pretty quickly (probably just need to spin up a new moksha). As for retiring it, I think we could once packages goes to production... 19:17:17 <lmacken> my only concern is the Statistics section is still very useful (to me at least) 19:17:21 <nirik> #info we currently have just 9 rhel5 instances. 8 of them app servers and 1 a virthost that some app servers are on. ;) 19:17:42 <pingou> nice :) 19:17:56 <nirik> well, if we can get it running on 6, we can start replacing app servers... which would be nice. ;) 19:18:05 <lmacken> nirik: I'll take a look 19:18:10 <nirik> and then just leave it around for a bit. 19:18:14 <lmacken> yeah, sounds good. 19:18:39 <nirik> also, bodhi is still not showing right on app05/06 (our two rhel6 app boxes) 19:19:09 <nirik> any other app news? 19:19:31 <lmacken> nirik: wow, yeah... not sure what that is all about... [Thu Feb 09 19:10:18 2012] [error] File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/kid/pars 19:19:35 <lmacken> er.py", line 180, in _track 19:19:37 <lmacken> [Thu Feb 09 19:10:18 2012] [error] ev, item = p 19:19:40 <lmacken> [Thu Feb 09 19:10:18 2012] [error] ValueError: too many values to unpack 19:19:42 * lmacken will look into rhel6 fixes for both bodhi and fcomm 19:19:58 <nirik> yeah I think it might have been working at one time then perhaps an update messed it up? not sure. 19:20:10 <lmacken> ohh, it's kid+genshi fighting, I think 19:20:16 <lmacken> could be related to the new python-fedora update 19:20:34 <nirik> fun. 19:20:37 <abadger1999> we could also put old community on its own server until we're ready to retire. 19:20:46 * nirik is fine either way. 19:20:54 <abadger1999> lmacken: More likely, the new TurboGears (in RHEL6 vs RHEL5) 19:21:09 <lmacken> abadger1999: oh, that kid error I'm seeing is from smolt actually 19:21:11 <nirik> I just want to start replacing apps (and bapp01) 19:21:35 <lmacken> oh, the bodhi RHEL6 issue is a trivial fix. 19:21:41 <abadger1999> lmacken: ah. Okay -- there were some smolt bugs that I've never gotten enough time to go back and look at. 19:21:42 <nirik> cool. ;) 19:22:09 <nirik> ok, shall I move along then? 19:22:34 <nirik> #topic Upcoming tasks 19:22:37 <nirik> #info 2012-02-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices 19:22:37 <nirik> #info 2012-02-14 to 2012-02-28 - F17 Alpha Freeze 19:22:37 <nirik> #info 2012-02-28 - F17alpha release day 19:22:38 <nirik> #info 2012-03-01 - nag fi-apprentices. 19:22:38 <nirik> #info 2012-03-10 - drop inactive fi-apprentices 19:22:38 <nirik> #info 2012-03-20 to 2012-04-03 - F17 Beta Freeze 19:22:40 <nirik> #info 2012-04-01 - nag fi-apprentices. 19:22:42 <nirik> #info 2012-04-03 - F17Beta release day 19:22:44 <nirik> we have a freeze coming up. 19:23:01 <nirik> I'll probibly file alpha tickets soon... 19:23:14 * CodeBlock is waiting for the day when nirik pastes that and excess-floods off freenode. ;) 19:23:23 <nirik> anyone have any other upcoming tasks or items? 19:23:27 <pingou> CodeBlock: you wish :) 19:23:30 <nirik> CodeBlock: I'm sure it will happen. :) 19:23:46 <abadger1999> nirik: When would be a good day(s) to update python-fedora? 19:24:19 <nirik> most anytime, but probibly eariler in the week? monday/tuesday? 19:24:45 <abadger1999> nirik: Okay, I'll deploy a new python-fedora Monday of next week then. 19:24:54 <abadger1999> And have the whole day to fix/revert if it breaks stuff. 19:25:03 <nirik> ok. thats right before freeze, but should be ok hopefully. 19:25:49 <abadger1999> If you'd rather, I can put it off... Just have some pseudo-security fixes in there. 19:25:56 <nirik> naw, monday sounds fine. 19:26:02 <abadger1999> Sounds good. 19:26:10 <lmacken> nirik: ok, bodhi fixed on app5-6, but they can't ping db-bodhi now. 19:26:27 <nirik> lmacken: they probibly need hosts entries... those are the two non phx2 ones. 19:26:33 <lmacken> ah 19:26:40 <nirik> abadger1999: we can also roll up any other pending updates before the freeze. 19:27:07 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:27:13 <nirik> anyone have anything for open floor? 19:27:41 <skvidal> yah 19:27:49 <skvidal> I just chatted with rmonk about pam-http 19:27:59 <skvidal> seems reasonable enough 19:28:06 <skvidal> exactly the same framework we're describing 19:28:18 <nirik> ok. 19:28:20 <skvidal> it seems like the only thing holding us up at all is the cgi which checks the otp 19:28:25 <skvidal> or yubikey 19:28:26 <skvidal> or whatever 19:28:29 <nirik> yep. 19:28:33 <skvidal> where should that live? 19:28:43 <nirik> well, and picking which one we use... which I don't care about. 19:29:01 <nirik> puppet? or it's own project? or part of pam_otp ? 19:29:14 <nirik> or you mean where does it run in our setup? 19:29:28 <skvidal> our setup 19:29:32 <skvidal> which server should host the cgi 19:29:55 <nirik> fas* I think... 19:30:10 <nirik> then it can use localhost urls to hit ykserv or whatever other store it needs? 19:30:29 <skvidal> okay 19:31:02 <nirik> you want to work on the cgi? 19:31:24 <skvidal> I want to get euca set first - I'm trying to be done with the junk instance this week 19:31:35 <skvidal> but yah - I guess I will 19:31:44 <nirik> ok, that would be great. ;) 19:31:49 <nirik> thanks 19:31:59 <skvidal> don't thank me, yet 19:32:10 <nirik> anyone have anything else? 19:32:22 <skvidal> a couple 19:32:32 <skvidal> does anyone want a relatively light-weight scripting job to take on? 19:32:47 <CodeBlock> skvidal: such as? :) 19:33:03 <pingou> EasyFix :) 19:33:09 <skvidal> the cron job to check ssh keys 19:33:26 <skvidal> I checked in all the fas-ssh key checking up to my personal repo 19:33:30 <nirik> yeah, might file a ticket on it easyfix marked... 19:33:42 * nirik notes we could use more easyfix stuff. 19:33:45 <pingou> does it work btw ? EasyFix 19:33:57 <skvidal> and now it just needs a cron job to check against a specific date to make sure no one has uploaded an old key 19:34:39 <skvidal> CodeBlock: the other item that won't take a lot of time but some focus is making it so we can use the infrabot user to add info to puppet and for the nagios-generatin script that wsterling wrote 19:35:01 <nirik> pingou: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/14 for the query, but if you mean do we get fixes... sometimes? ;) 19:35:31 <pingou> nirik: yeah it was more as in "do people/new comers look at easyfix?" 19:36:14 <nirik> I think we could do better describing them/adding info, but I think we assume people will ask if they don't understand the ticket. 19:37:30 <nirik> skvidal: so, file those as easyfix and we will see if we can find some takers? unless someone here wants them right now? 19:37:44 <skvidal> ok 19:38:31 <nirik> anything else? or shall we call it a meeting? 19:38:48 <CodeBlock> If nobody takes the easyfixes I can hack on them a bit. I'm planning on doing some infra-hosts scripts hacking anyway (as per skvidal saying they need work) 19:38:59 <skvidal> CodeBlock: cool 19:39:30 <nirik> excellent. 19:39:55 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. :) Lets continue over in #fedora-admin and/or #fedora-apps and/or #fedora-noc 19:39:58 <nirik> #endmeeting

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