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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2012-07-16)
by Bill Nottingham 16 Jul '12

16 Jul '12

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-07-16) =================================== Meeting started by notting at 17:01:35 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-16/fesco.2012-07-16… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (notting, 17:01:50) * #889 Retire orphaned packages only after co-maintainers have been notified as it happens in the nonresponsive maintainers procedure (notting, 17:12:13) * AGREED: notting (or other person doing this task) will CC: comaintainers on orphan mails (notting, 17:20:29) * #890 F18 Feature: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.9 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE49 (notting, 17:25:02) * AGREED: feature KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.9 is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting, 17:27:09) * #891 F18 Feature: Eucalyptus - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Eucalyptus (notting, 17:27:28) * AGREED: feature Eucalyptus is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting, 17:29:42) * #892 F18 Feature: GNOME IBus Integration - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration (notting, 17:29:56) * postponed to next week (notting, 17:52:59) * #893 F18 Feature: GSS Proxy - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/gss-proxy (notting, 17:53:14) * AGREED: feature GSS Proxy is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting, 18:00:10) * #894 F18 Feature: ibus-libpinyin - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-libpinyin (notting, 18:00:24) * AGREED: feature ibus-libpinyin is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting, 18:02:22) * #895 F18 Feature: Ibus-Typing-Booster - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Typing-Booster (notting, 18:02:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/english-typing-booster (nirik, 18:05:12) * AGREED: feature Ibus-typing-booster is approved (+:6, -:0, 0:0) (notting, 18:06:36) * Open Floor (notting, 18:06:42) * mass rebuild for F-18 scheduled to start this week (Wednesday) (notting, 18:06:59) * see https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/896 for discussion on Fixing The Feature Process (notting, 18:16:43) Meeting ended at 18:18:20 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * notting (73) * mitr (41) * nirik (33) * jwb (33) * t8m (20) * limburgher (17) * mclasen (15) * zodbot (11) * gd (7) * gholms (6) * drago01 (3) * abadger1999 (1) * pjones (1) * mmaslano (0) * mjg59 (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Meeting Summary/Minutes from today's EPEL meeting (2012-07-13)
by Kevin Fenzi 13 Jul '12

13 Jul '12

================================== #fedora-meeting: EPEL (2012-07-13) ================================== Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-13/epel.2012-07-13-… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process/agenda (nirik, 16:00:01) * python-werkzeug (nirik, 16:07:49) * Overlap policy discussion part 27 (nirik, 16:14:27) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages ). (nirik, 16:18:18) * will try and come up with a new proposal based on the RHEL5 AP -> RHEL6 channels mappings. (nirik, 16:27:06) * Misc stuff status (nirik, 16:27:15) * Open Floor (nirik, 16:32:45) Meeting ended at 16:39:07 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (65) * maxamillion (16) * ianweller (10) * Jeff_S (10) * zodbot (4) * smooge (4) * abadger1999 (3) * rsc (2) * relrod (2) * densebits (1) * tremble (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 16:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL (2012-07-13) 16:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jul 13 16:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname epel 16:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 16:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process/agenda 16:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge tremble dgilmore 16:00:01 <nirik> EPEL meeting ping abadger1999 rsc stahnma tremble dgilmore smooge nb maxamillion tremble Jeff_S HackMan 16:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore nirik smooge tremble 16:00:09 <nirik> any folks around for an epel meeting? 16:00:28 <ianweller> hi 16:00:32 <densebits> woot 16:02:06 <Jeff_S> . 16:02:09 <nirik> happy friday the 13th. ;) 16:02:31 <maxamillion> heh 16:02:37 <maxamillion> s/the 13th.// 16:02:46 * abadger1999 here 16:03:09 <maxamillion> I'm just happy its Friday, that means I get to sleep at some time in the forseeable future ;) 16:03:22 <nirik> sleep? whats that? ;) 16:03:47 <maxamillion> nirik: :P 16:05:05 <nirik> ok, so for agenda I have: our favorate overlap policy discussion, and some misc progress reports/call for help on various things I keep not getting to. 16:05:15 <nirik> anyone have additional items before we get started? 16:05:26 <ianweller> not sure if you have the python-werkzeug thread on the agenda 16:06:53 <nirik> sure, we can add that. 16:06:57 <nirik> anything else? 16:07:02 * relrod here 16:07:31 <maxamillion> nothing I can think of 16:07:44 <nirik> ok, shall we start with that then? 16:07:49 <nirik> #topic python-werkzeug 16:08:02 <ianweller> you switch to that and then my dog starts barking, oops 16:08:23 <maxamillion> coincidence? 16:08:24 <nirik> ha. 16:08:36 <nirik> anyhow, the discussion here was upgrading that in epel? 16:08:41 <nirik> is the new version incompatible? 16:09:51 <ianweller> the discussion is about upgrading it in EPEL 16:10:14 <ianweller> according to abadger1999 the changelog didn't look all that incompatible, mostly improvements 16:10:27 <ianweller> however i'm bringing it up under the incompatible policy just in case... so others can take a look 16:10:36 <ianweller> the package is also orphaned on the EL branch last i checked 16:10:57 <ianweller> was, until relrod took it 16:11:12 <abadger1999> It does have some incompatibilities. 16:11:16 <nirik> ok, so it's currently 0.6.2 16:11:18 <abadger1999> But it is mostly improvements 16:11:41 <nirik> so, my suggestion would be: 16:12:20 <nirik> a) build the new one and push it to epel-test. b) announce to epel-announce that it's in test, ask people to test or complain if there's issues, c) wait an extra long time in test, d) profit. 16:12:33 <ianweller> so basically the rest of the incompatible upgrade policy? :) 16:12:40 <nirik> yeah 16:13:11 <relrod> alright, I'll get it built/ready to be pushed to epel-test today. 16:13:36 <ianweller> nirik, abadger1999, relrod: thanks 16:13:46 <nirik> thanks for bringing it up. 16:14:27 <nirik> #topic Overlap policy discussion part 27 16:14:49 <nirik> So, I was hoping to sit down this week and re-read things and try and come up with a new proposal, but I didn't get the time to do so. 16:15:16 <nirik> I think the new info we have is a mapping of old RHEL5 AP to RHEL6 channels, which we could use to base things on. 16:16:00 <nirik> anyone have a proposal? or thoughts on next steps or ? 16:16:27 <maxamillion> I must have missed something, is there a link to this? 16:17:04 <Jeff_S> maxamillion: there is a few books worth of email exchanges on the EPEL list ;) 16:17:16 <Jeff_S> or was there something specific you missed? 16:17:32 <maxamillion> Jeff_S: is there a current proposal? 16:17:55 <nirik> yeah, basically, it boils down to: What is the EPEL6 policy on when to allow packages that RHEL ships in random channels. 16:18:15 <nirik> My last stab at it was: 16:18:17 <nirik> "EPEL6 will not normally ship packages that are shipped already in the 16:18:18 <nirik> following RHEL channels: os, optional, lb, and ha. Any overlapping 16:18:18 <nirik> packages must be to provide binary packages on arches not provided by 16:18:18 <nirik> RHEL ( following: 16:18:18 <nirik> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages ). 16:18:18 <nirik> Additional channels may be added to this list, based on a criteria the 16:18:20 <nirik> EPEL sig has yet to decide on." 16:18:35 <rsc> (since when is there a EPEL sig, again?) 16:18:36 <nirik> but there were people who still didn't like that. 16:18:38 <maxamillion> ohhhhh ok, yeah .. I remember this from a couple meetings ago 16:18:58 <Jeff_S> rsc: "when is a SIG not a SIG?" 16:18:59 <nirik> rsc: we started meeting again with this overlaps policy discussion... 16:19:44 <Jeff_S> I like what nirik just shared FWIW... we're never going to get something "perfect", and need to be flexible because, as we've seen, RH will keep changing stuff out from under us 16:20:14 <rsc> Jeff_S: sorry, I mixed up SIG vs. commitee. My fault. 16:20:16 <nirik> I think the main objections to the last proposal I had was that the list of channels seemed arbitrary. Why lb and ha? 16:20:23 <Jeff_S> rsc: np :) 16:20:49 <nirik> rsc: EPEL is weird. It's been a SIG, a subproject and a SIG again... I don't think it really matters. ;) 16:21:05 <Jeff_S> we like packages... 16:22:52 <nirik> ok, so I guess we try and add a new proposal on the list and discuss? or does anyone have anything on this to discuss right now? 16:24:05 * nirik listens to the crickets chirp 16:24:48 <Jeff_S> nirik: sure... I just think we're going to have an endless discussion :) 16:25:01 <Jeff_S> so let's get something that doesn't piss off *too* many people, and go with it 16:25:06 <nirik> Jeff_S: well, at some point we hopefully will mostly reach consensus and just do it. 16:25:09 <nirik> yeah 16:26:11 <nirik> I think we can try a proposal using the mapping of AP stuff... that should be less arbitrary, and more in line with things since thats what we don't overlap with in EPEL5 16:26:20 <nirik> but I need to sit down and figure that out. 16:26:24 <Jeff_S> seems reasonable to me 16:27:06 <nirik> #info will try and come up with a new proposal based on the RHEL5 AP -> RHEL6 channels mappings. 16:27:15 <nirik> #topic Misc stuff status 16:27:43 <nirik> So, I have a list of stuff that I keep not getting to... just thought I would mention them here if anyone wants to help: 16:27:56 <nirik> a) weekly broken dep reports. 16:28:22 <nirik> b) tracking down overlaps with baseos/optional (since we know we shouldn't overlap there) and filing bugs/getting them removed. 16:28:48 <nirik> So, if anyone wants to work on those, see me and I can fill you in. 16:29:27 <maxamillion> nirik: I might get with you on the overlaps for baseos and optional because I might be able to carve off some time or find someone from my team who could ... that is something that's rather important to us :) 16:29:38 <maxamillion> nirik: just going to depend on my schedule though :X 16:30:07 <nirik> maxamillion: that would be lovely. I have a partial list, but it needs to be manually checked thru, as it contains some packages that are in for the arch compatibility stuff. 16:31:05 <maxamillion> nirik: ah ok 16:31:26 <nirik> just takes time and I guess access to rhn to check each package. 16:31:29 <maxamillion> nirik: I'm sure there could be something about it scripted with a list from maybe koji and one from ftp.redhat.com ... or something 16:31:56 <nirik> currently the list I have doesn't take into account ppc64... 16:32:07 <nirik> possibly something could be automated there, hard to say 16:32:08 <maxamillion> hrmm... 16:32:11 <maxamillion> yeah 16:32:45 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 16:32:50 <maxamillion> I've been getting somewhat familiar with koji queries lately for some build automation stuff I've worked on for $dayjob ... I'll write it on my TODO list to revisit 16:32:53 <nirik> anything for open floor? questions, comments, flames? 16:33:11 <nirik> maxamillion: ok. cool. 16:33:40 <smooge> sorry for my delay in getting to the meeting 16:33:57 <smooge> I have a question for open floor. 16:34:11 <smooge> has anyone tested or looked at the mediawiki119 package in epel-testing? 16:34:23 * nirik hasn't. ;( 16:34:26 <nirik> well, aside from review. 16:34:45 <nirik> smooge: I think we should update stg soon and see what blows up... 16:35:12 <smooge> ok thanks 16:36:27 * nirik wonders if anyone else uses mediawiki in epel... they sure seem to be quiet if so 16:37:46 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, will close things out in a minute or two. 16:39:03 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. 16:39:07 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-07-12)
by Kevin Fenzi 12 Jul '12

12 Jul '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-07-12) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-12/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Howdy Fedora Folk (nirik, 18:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:02:56) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:07:41) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:28:16) * FAD (nirik, 18:35:18) * cgit and gitweb-caching retirement (nirik, 18:36:40) * LINK: http://git.ao2.it/gitweb_cgit_migration.git/commitdiff/ae0a642af73350c149f8… (nirik, 18:39:12) * LINK: http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ibus-indic-table.git/commit/?id=0a4a64eeac… (nirik, 18:40:12) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:51:41) * 2012-07-11 migration of last redhat.com lists (smooge) (nirik, 18:51:53) * 2012-07-12 drop inactive apprentices. (nirik, 18:51:53) * 2012-07-12 migration of lists.fedorahosted.org (smooge) (nirik, 18:51:53) * 2012-08-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:51:53) * 2012-08-07 to 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:51:53) * 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:51:53) * 2012-09-11 to 2012-09-25 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:51:56) * 2012-09-25 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:51:58) * 2012-08-14->2012-08-19 PHX2 trip? (smooge, 18:52:37) * md5/fips/etc. (nirik, 18:57:48) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:04:54) Meeting ended at 19:07:56 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (117) * skvidal (111) * smooge (31) * abadger1999 (25) * mdomsch (23) * ianweller (9) * lmacken (9) * threebean (8) * zodbot (5) * jaysonr (5) * relrod (3) * rdieter (2) * joshbenner (2) * whiterhino (1) * sdrfed17 (1) * dan408 (1) * dgilmore (1) * ricky (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-07-12) 18:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 18:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:01 <nirik> #topic Howdy Fedora Folk 18:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 18:00:16 * lmacken 18:00:19 * skvidal is here 18:00:32 * jaysonr here 18:01:16 * ianweller here 18:01:17 <smooge> good day sirs 18:01:19 * nirik waits a minute or two more for folks to wander in. 18:01:54 * threebean is here 18:02:40 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and get started. 18:02:42 * whiterhino is here 18:02:56 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 18:03:06 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices would like to ask general questions, they can do so here. 18:03:16 * abadger1999 here 18:03:36 <jaysonr> i started working on #3251...ran into some things getting fas running locally 18:03:37 <joshbenner> hello - looking to get involved with the infrastructure team 18:03:46 <abadger1999> .ticket 3251 18:03:48 <zodbot> abadger1999: #3251 (FAS openId auth, Accept should be on the right side of the cancel button) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3251 18:04:01 <jaysonr> I will e-mail the team w/ details, and ask for more help 18:04:13 <jaysonr> *team = infra list :) 18:04:24 <nirik> jaysonr: you can also ask in #fedora-admin or the #fedora-apps channels. :) 18:04:45 <nirik> welcome joshbenner. Are you interested in sysadmin type stuff, or application development/programming? 18:04:51 <jaysonr> nirik: will do - i got some help in #fedora-admin already :) 18:05:35 <joshbenner> programming. I currently work on build scripting in python and app development in c++ 18:05:39 <nirik> sometimes folks are busy, but I think we do a reasonable job on helping anyone who asks in channels. ;) 18:06:14 * relrod here (late) 18:06:47 <nirik> joshbenner: great. we can point you the right direction after the meeting in #fedora-admin. 18:07:13 <nirik> any other new folks or apprentice questions off hand? 18:07:41 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:07:49 <nirik> any applications news this week? 18:08:26 <threebean> oh, nirik and I got SCM (pkgs01.stg) into fedmsg yesterday 18:08:36 <relrod> I am, by some chain of evens, now the maintainer of python-flask. ianweller and I are working to get flask 0.9 in epel. 18:08:44 * ianweller is still working on fedora-elections-flask 18:09:07 <relrod> *events too. 18:09:07 * skvidal watches the time tick away on ianweller 18:09:10 <nirik> threebean: when would you like to target moving stuff to production? perhaps draw up a timetable/schedule email to the list? or ? 18:09:10 <skvidal> tick tick tick 18:09:20 <ianweller> skvidal: btw, my 5pm, not yours :) 18:09:23 <threebean> (and I made a little screencast tour of fedmsg -- https://vimeo.com/45614749 ) 18:09:32 <skvidal> ianweller: I thought it was 5pm GMT :) 18:09:50 <ianweller> 'pm' and 'gmt' in the same line, oh my 18:09:55 <skvidal> ianweller: :) 18:10:12 <threebean> nirik: I'd like to get fas nailed down in stg (working on it now) and then start moving over the small pieces like tagger first. I'll make sure to make a lot of noise before I touch anything in prod. 18:10:44 <smooge> ianweller, where is it currently? 18:10:53 <nirik> threebean: sounds good. alpha freeze starts 2012-08-07, so it would be good to have a stable bunch of stuff moved by then... 18:10:53 <ianweller> smooge: in my home directory on my laptop 18:10:55 <smooge> and what was the git clone for it? 18:10:59 <ianweller> smooge: goal is to push it somewhere tonight 18:11:06 <ianweller> once i have something useful to push 18:11:07 <smooge> ha! I meant in what status is it at 18:11:11 <threebean> nirik: damn, that's way sooner than I thought. 18:11:23 <ianweller> oh, lol 18:11:40 <nirik> threebean: it doesn't have to all be done by any means, just the part that is done is stable and such. 18:11:48 <ianweller> smooge: half of the admin is done, i got stuck in a loop deciding how to implement this before i decided "this needs more discussion later, just copying over how it's implemented now" 18:12:47 <nirik> is there any news on pkgdb or fas releases before the freeze? or still waiting on finding the time to do them? 18:12:51 <smooge> ah I know that loop so well 18:13:32 <smooge> for my app stuff. I am still helping our GSOC student with a limesurvey implementation. I think nirik figured out some sticking points and I will be trying to get a box testing it soon 18:13:51 <nirik> smooge: thanks for helping on that. 18:14:18 <sdrfed17> hi all, i am in for the meeting too. 18:15:01 <nirik> welcome sdrfed17 18:15:13 <nirik> ok, any other apps news? lmacken / abadger1999 / pingou ? 18:15:24 <abadger1999> nothing from me 18:15:32 <lmacken> nothing really... 18:15:48 <lmacken> blocking on legal for this summer of hardware app.. still putting the finishing touches on it too 18:16:12 <nirik> lmacken: how's your next week? could we schedule a tenative bodhi2.0 meeting next wed or something? 18:16:29 <lmacken> nirik: yep, let's do it 18:16:37 <nirik> yeah, that host should be all set but for the proxy stuff. 18:17:13 <skvidal> lmacken: do you or Mo have the final url you want? 18:17:35 <nirik> lmacken: pick a time this channel is free and announce it out. ;) Or if you pick a time and tell me I can send out an email on it. 18:17:42 <lmacken> skvidal: I think mo had apps.fp.o/openhw2012 in mind, but we probably want to confirm with her because I think she's linking to it already 18:17:49 * nirik would ping dgilmore and adamw at least to see if they could both make it. 18:17:51 <skvidal> lmacken: :) 18:18:10 <skvidal> lmacken: okay. keep us in the loop so we can help 18:18:29 <lmacken> skvidal: will do 18:18:32 <mdomsch> abadger1999: have you looked at shibboleth at all? 18:18:34 <lmacken> nirik: cool, will do 18:18:42 <mdomsch> it came to my attention this week on another unrelated matter 18:18:47 <skvidal> mdomsch: please don't make me die 18:18:59 <skvidal> mdomsch: I worked with/on shib at duke 18:19:07 <abadger1999> mdomsch: For auth? I asked about it at one poiint and got ^ that answer :-) 18:19:14 <skvidal> mdomsch: A good friend of mine works on it now 18:19:24 <skvidal> mdomsch: he has special medicine he takes 18:19:38 <skvidal> mdomsch: on the plus side 18:19:43 <skvidal> the major legal issue that USED to exist 18:19:45 <skvidal> has been overcome 18:19:47 <skvidal> which is nice 18:19:53 <skvidal> it used have patent issues 18:20:00 <skvidal> and a REALLY Dodgy license 18:20:01 * nirik hasn't really used it or heard much about it. 18:20:09 <mdomsch> internet2 is pushing it with their InCommon SSO project 18:20:09 <skvidal> nirik: it has been almost exclusively higher-ed 18:20:36 <threebean> RIT adopted it 18:20:43 <mdomsch> and our Dell Cloud properties are about to get I2 connections 18:20:56 <threebean> met some py developers on pysaml2 (which is *kinda* synonymous with shib?) 18:20:57 <skvidal> it's a federated authn/z infrastructure 18:21:06 <skvidal> threebean: s/synonmous/related/ 18:21:25 * threebean nods 18:21:26 <skvidal> shib ends up being a set of compnents a shire(?)-provider 18:21:37 <skvidal> shit - I'm going to forget the other jargon 18:21:46 <mdomsch> k. just thought I'd ask, given FAS is going to need porting at some point, is there something else we could use as an Identity Provider and Service Provider framework 18:21:47 <nirik> so, if we looked at this it would be a fas replacement? or perhaps we could look at it from the side of interfacing fas with it? or ? 18:21:49 <skvidal> essentially - each site hosts their own auth mechanism 18:21:53 <skvidal> nirik: it doesn't do that 18:21:58 <skvidal> it fits in at about the same place as openid 18:22:05 <nirik> ah, ok 18:22:10 <skvidal> well openid + OAUTH 18:22:23 <mdomsch> IdP == accounts; SP == services that decide authz based on data from IdP 18:22:25 <skvidal> so if you think of each person as having a home authority 18:22:35 <skvidal> then if you are somewhere else 18:22:37 <skvidal> or on another website 18:22:40 <skvidal> you go there 18:22:44 <skvidal> you select your authority 18:22:47 <skvidal> you login to your authority 18:23:01 <skvidal> which passes back who you are and what your authZ is at that authority 18:23:25 <skvidal> and then the remote site you're trying to access can use that to determine what you get 18:23:39 <skvidal> it was started so that univ didn't up duplicating a billion user accounts 18:23:43 <mdomsch> we could go either way, with FAS as the Identity Provider, or FAS-consuming apps as Service Providers 18:23:44 <skvidal> when folks were collaborating 18:24:03 <skvidal> mdomsch: so - last time I worked on it 18:24:12 <skvidal> mdomsch: it had no local user/uid/etc provider of any kind 18:24:17 <nirik> so if this gets more popular, perhaps we look at fas providing auth for it like we do for openid? 18:24:29 <skvidal> so FAS-app consuming would only work for web apps, at most 18:24:44 <skvidal> it would definitely not work for any kind of local login - unless they've come up with some sort of uid mapper 18:24:45 <mdomsch> nirik: it's only interesting if you're federated with a group that's meaningful to your org it seems 18:25:00 <nirik> ok 18:25:08 <mdomsch> e.g. http://www.incommon.org/participants/ 18:25:23 <mdomsch> which is "a bunch of universities and related research groups" 18:25:54 <nirik> well, happy to investigate more, perhaps on list or out of band? 18:25:57 <mdomsch> skvidal: I've seen reference to a PAM plugin, but seems unmaintained if it exists at all 18:26:15 <skvidal> mdomsch: the pam plugin only works for an up/down auth 18:26:21 <mdomsch> boo 18:26:24 <skvidal> mdomsch: you have to have some sort of matching local account 18:26:33 <skvidal> mdomsch: it's really a web-app auth mechanism 18:26:37 <skvidal> it came along before openid 18:26:43 <skvidal> and being a university thing 18:27:01 <skvidal> the amount of force required to break university inertia on anything is massive 18:27:09 <skvidal> several jovian planets, massive 18:27:33 <nirik> always fun. 18:27:42 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then? or anything more on this? 18:28:16 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 18:28:27 <nirik> news in the sysadmin side of things this week? 18:28:45 <nirik> we had rhel 6.3 updates + new kernel update. We will be scheduling some rebooting for next week sometime. 18:29:23 * mdomsch finally got s3-mirror-eu-west-1 functional a couple days ago 18:29:32 <skvidal> so - I've been moving ahead on the builders revamp 18:29:32 <nirik> skvidal has been working on easy re-install for koji builders. 18:29:40 <mdomsch> decent uptake of EPEL5 and 6; minimal uptake on anything Fedora 18:29:45 <smooge> RHIT did not contact me tuesday or wednesday about the mailing list change. I am going to ping and find out what I missed 18:29:55 <smooge> mdomsch, hurray 18:30:22 <mdomsch> smooge: what mailing list change? 18:30:26 <nirik> cool. 18:30:40 <smooge> EPEL from redhat.com -> epel(a)fedoraproject.org 18:30:41 <mdomsch> skvidal: have you given it an FTBFS run yet? 18:30:46 <skvidal> dgilmore is working on a module for kojira to let us maybe get out of the koji-admin builder disable 18:31:13 <skvidal> mdomsch: besides the one I did earlier, no - I've been reformatting boxes so we have as many builders as I can find 18:31:35 <skvidal> mdomsch: currently I should be able to come up with about 15 builders - I have to reformat some more x86 builders 18:31:54 <skvidal> mdomsch: looking good for kicking a ftbfs tomorrow 18:31:58 <skvidal> barring drama of some kind 18:32:04 <nirik> hurray. 18:32:22 <skvidal> nirik: I'll most likely be running the ftbfs from lockbox 18:32:28 <skvidal> writing to the netapp for the results 18:32:30 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin news, or shall we move on... 18:32:34 <nirik> skvidal: sounds fine to me. 18:32:55 <smooge> nirik I am working on 2 issues currently: 18:33:05 <smooge> 1) following orders for osuosl01/phx2 18:33:19 <smooge> 2) getting sign-vault02 fixed 18:33:31 <nirik> cool. 18:33:32 <smooge> 3) hosted mailing lists -> hosted-lists 18:33:39 <smooge> 4) PHX2 trip in August 18:33:44 <smooge> for very large values of 2 18:34:08 <nirik> smooge: on 3... you were thinking of today, is that pushed back to next week? do you need anyone else to help poke at it? 18:34:32 <smooge> pushed back to next week. I was having problems rsyncing to hosted03 18:34:39 <smooge> I figured it out eventually. 18:34:58 <dgilmore> heya all 18:35:03 <smooge> heya dgilmore 18:35:05 <nirik> smooge: ok. 18:35:10 <nirik> welcome dgilmore 18:35:18 <nirik> #topic FAD 18:35:19 <abadger1999> smooge: what's wrong with sign-vault? /me hadn't heard about that 18:35:25 <nirik> abadger1999: it lost a disk. 18:35:31 <smooge> and no one can find it 18:35:57 <nirik> so, I haven't done much on the FAD. I need to do some more poking at it... will try and do so this week/early next 18:36:03 <nirik> smooge: ? 18:36:11 <abadger1999> smooge: Hopefully that's a joke... 'cuz.... signing ;-) 18:36:23 <smooge> yes it was meant to be a joke 18:36:40 <nirik> #topic cgit and gitweb-caching retirement 18:37:01 <nirik> so, I got cgit working and with some help from tmz when we hit a bug, it seems working nicely now. 18:37:16 <nirik> So, we need to retire gitweb-caching. 18:37:22 <skvidal> as long as descroptions are shorter than 245 chars 18:37:23 <skvidal> right? 18:37:53 <nirik> Should we just say "it's gone as of YYYY-MM-DD, and /git* will redirect to /cgit/ and you can search for what you want" 18:38:07 <nirik> or should we try and add in some redirects that help get near what people expect. 18:38:17 <nirik> skvidal: correct. or 254 or something. 18:38:40 <skvidal> nirik: yes to the date 18:38:42 * smooge wonders how that would deal with unicode. 18:39:12 <nirik> http://git.ao2.it/gitweb_cgit_migration.git/commitdiff/ae0a642af73350c149f8… 18:39:13 <skvidal> nirik: let's say 2012-08-30 18:39:28 <nirik> thats some long, ugly redirects people have used in such migrations. 18:39:31 <abadger1999> smooge: It's C so I suspect it'll work byte-by-byte 18:39:53 <skvidal> nirik: how about no to the redirs 18:40:08 <smooge> ugh. redirects are an ulcer and worse rolled into one 18:40:12 <nirik> http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/ibus-indic-table.git/commit/?id=0a4a64eeac… 18:40:19 <nirik> seems to handle things fine in username 18:40:42 <nirik> yeah, if we do do redirects we probibly would have to keep them for a long time. 18:41:43 <nirik> so, I guess I'm ok with not doing them... 18:41:48 <nirik> but others expressed some concerns. 18:42:44 <mdomsch> no redirects +1 18:42:49 <smooge> I would expect that if we asked those people to maintain those redirects.. they would sing a different tune 18:43:05 * abadger1999 okay without redirects 18:43:26 * skvidal looks 18:43:28 <skvidal> nirik: so 18:43:32 <skvidal> a modest proposal 18:43:36 <skvidal> seriously 18:43:42 <skvidal> is there a way to go half-way 18:43:57 <skvidal> so - let's say someone has a gitweb url pointing to ibus-indic-table.git 18:44:06 <skvidal> could we get them to the same top level in cgit? 18:44:20 <skvidal> so - they don't have to dig to find the repo they were looking for? 18:44:51 <skvidal> so -don't worry about the rest of the string 18:44:54 <skvidal> just parse out the repo 18:45:02 <skvidal> or is that even too much disaster? 18:45:05 <nirik> yeah, quite possibly. 18:45:22 <skvidal> Translation rules 18:45:22 <skvidal> + # 18:45:22 <skvidal> + # Project is a straight redirect 18:45:22 <skvidal> + # --- 18:45:22 <skvidal> + # /?p=(.+)\.git; http://cgit.openezx.org/$1/ 18:45:23 <skvidal> + # 18:45:25 <skvidal> + # Action requires a mapping 18:45:27 <skvidal> + # --- 18:45:29 <skvidal> + # a=(blob|tree) /tree/ 18:45:31 <skvidal> + # a=(blobdiff|commitdiff) /diff/ 18:45:33 <skvidal> + # a=commit /commit/ 18:45:37 <skvidal> + # a=(summary) / 18:45:39 <skvidal> + # a=(shortlog|log|history) /log/ 18:45:39 * nirik wonders how much skvidal is pasting. 18:45:41 <skvidal> + # a=tag /tag/ 18:45:43 <skvidal> + # a=blob_plain /blob/ 18:45:43 <dan408> fpaste? 18:45:45 <skvidal> + # a=rss|atom /atom 18:45:51 <skvidal> wow 18:45:53 <skvidal> whoops 18:45:55 <skvidal> sorry 18:45:57 <skvidal> that was supposed to be 1 line 18:45:59 <skvidal> /?p=(.+)\.git; http://cgit.openezx.org/$1/ 18:46:01 <skvidal> that was all 18:46:03 <skvidal> that was supposed to be 1 line 18:46:07 <skvidal> sorry 18:46:19 <skvidal> anyway - my point is - a single redir to put them in the right repo 18:46:28 <skvidal> will probably keep some of the whining to a minimum 18:46:30 <lmacken> skvidal: are you on irssi? /set paste_verify_line_count 1 :) 18:46:31 <mdomsch> actually, even that much in a single redirect httpd.conf snippet might not be too bad 18:46:53 <nirik> yeah, I can do minimal I guess. 18:47:12 <nirik> so, is 2012-08-30 a good deadline? sooner? later? 18:47:46 <nirik> how about 2012-07-30 ? too soon? 18:48:26 <skvidal> nirik: it's 2 weeks - if the redirects are in place to go to the repo level then I'm fine with 2 weeks - though maybe a month is nicer? 18:48:58 <nirik> yeah, a month drops us in alpha freeze tho 18:49:06 <skvidal> not for hosted 18:49:39 <nirik> yeah, but for pkgs 18:49:42 <skvidal> nod 18:50:24 <nirik> lets tenatively try for 2012-07-30... I'll test redirects in stg/hosted01/02 18:50:37 <skvidal> okie doke 18:50:49 <nirik> anything else on cgit? 18:50:58 * nirik thinks it will be nice to not have gitweb-caching to deal with. 18:51:11 <lmacken> will that be the last perl app we have in production? :P 18:51:30 <nirik> not sure... might be. ;) 18:51:41 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-07-11 migration of last redhat.com lists (smooge) 18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-07-12 drop inactive apprentices. 18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-07-12 migration of lists.fedorahosted.org (smooge) 18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-08-01 nag fi-apprentices 18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-08-07 to 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha Freeze 18:51:53 <nirik> #info 2012-08-21 F18 Alpha release. 18:51:56 <nirik> #info 2012-09-11 to 2012-09-25 F18 Beta Freeze 18:51:58 <nirik> #info 2012-09-25 F18 Beta release 18:52:01 <nirik> anything anyone would like to schedule or note? 18:52:22 <nirik> Id like to get the hosted03-> 01/02 migration attempted again, but after we do the hosted-lists move. 18:52:37 <smooge> #info 2012-08-14->2012-08-19 PHX2 trip? 18:52:46 <nirik> smooge: any idea when you want to reschedule those lists things? 18:52:47 <nirik> ok. 18:53:09 <nirik> smooge: that does put it in alpha freeze. ;( 18:53:59 <smooge> yeah.. I could look at the next week... but it can't be any later for budget reasons. 18:54:45 <nirik> yeah. So, how about the next week? of course if alpha slips we are still in freeze, but I suppose it's possible we don't. ;) 18:54:48 <smooge> or I could put it at the 07->12 and hope alpha misses a week due ot anaconda 18:55:18 <smooge> nirik, have we ever not missed an alpha? or had it go a week or two longer due to something 18:55:29 <nirik> I think once. ;) 18:55:42 <smooge> that was meant to be a serious question for once :) 18:55:45 <nirik> would the week before work? 30th-3rd? 18:55:52 <nirik> or is that too soon. 18:56:35 <smooge> when talking to RHIT people I got tentative goes for mid august but not before then. 18:56:37 <rdieter> smooge: f17 didnt' slip until beta 18:56:58 <smooge> rdieter, ah ok. alpha freeze isn't usually too tough. it is more of a slush. 18:57:11 <smooge> nirik, I will see if mgalgoci can make 30th->3rd 18:57:12 <rdieter> <nod> 18:57:17 <nirik> smooge: so, if 30th-3rd works for them we could try that... if not, how about 21'st, etc? 18:57:23 <nirik> sounds good. 18:57:48 <nirik> #topic md5/fips/etc. 18:57:59 * skvidal raises an eyebrow 18:58:01 <nirik> abadger1999: you wanted to note https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3358 in the meeting? 18:58:14 <abadger1999> yep 18:58:28 <nirik> basically folks want us to not ever use md5 anywhere. ;) 18:58:40 <abadger1999> got email from sgrubb that we should be moving to sha256sum instead of md5 for lookaside/sources/etc. 18:58:42 <abadger1999> yeah 18:58:52 <nirik> dgilmore looked at what it would take in fedpkg... 18:59:03 <abadger1999> FIPS is kinda beside the point but the original bugzilla was about that. 18:59:10 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:59:24 <nirik> FIPS is completely worthless except for one thing. 18:59:33 <abadger1999> dgilmore doesn't think it will be too hard. I let him know I'm available to do any of the work if he needs me to. 18:59:54 <nirik> is there anything we should worry about from a infra side here? or just keep our eyes out for the changes? 19:00:13 * skvidal hmms 19:00:29 <abadger1999> We'll need to add new directories to the existing lookaside and hardlink the existing sources files into the new directories. 19:00:52 <nirik> yeah. 19:00:53 <abadger1999> The upload.cgi will be updated to check sha256sums and write new content to sha256sum directories. 19:01:04 <skvidal> do we care about puppet, etc? 19:01:09 <abadger1999> Not sure if we should continue to support uploading new content using md5sums or not. 19:01:11 <skvidal> b/c puppet uses md5sums for file comparisons 19:01:18 <abadger1999> hmmm... 19:01:33 <nirik> we have no need for fips mode, so I would say we don't care. 19:01:42 <skvidal> ok 19:01:46 <abadger1999> skvidal: You'd need to ask sgrubb or bressers that. 19:02:08 <abadger1999> It probably wouldn't fall to us to implement changes, just consume new upstream updates if so, though. 19:02:11 <nirik> I would expect that they might be working with upstream puppet to add support for !md5 19:02:12 <skvidal> abadger1999: so - I have a hard time grokking a useful case for an md5sum collision 19:02:18 <mdomsch> s3cmd uses md5sums on the files being uploaded 19:02:33 <mdomsch> because S3 uses MD5 for ETags 19:02:37 <skvidal> again - while flame pointed out the concerns - it's hardly a common case 19:02:44 <abadger1999> mdomsch: <nod> I was thinking specifically about that when I made some of my comments o nthe bugzilla report. 19:03:05 <abadger1999> mdomsch: I think the answer is -- s3cmd wouldn't work in FIPS mode. 19:03:08 <nirik> I think this case needs us to act because end users possibly running FIPS mode might want to maintain packages. 19:03:19 <nirik> internal md5 usage for us matters less 19:03:25 <abadger1999> mdomsch: Which seems like, we're not doing it so upstream might need to worry about that but we don't. 19:04:04 <abadger1999> nirik: also that we're upstream for the software (upload.cgi and fedpkg) so we're the ones that would do the work. 19:04:09 <skvidal> ok 19:04:17 <nirik> abadger1999: yep. 19:04:30 <nirik> ok, anything else on this? 19:04:37 * nirik notes we are over time 19:04:52 <abadger1999> Nope, nothing else there. 19:04:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:04:56 <mdomsch> I could add sha256 recording into the metadata, just as I have added md5 recording. Easy enough. Not ideal though, because to get that metadata you have to do a HEAD call, where you can get an entire directory worth of files and their ETags with a single HTTP POST call in the API 19:04:58 <nirik> anything for open floor? 19:05:39 <nirik> mdomsch: wonder if it would be worth a mode for that? ie, default is md5, but --fips or --sha256 gets you sha256? 19:06:17 * nirik wonders as a side note if the s3cmd upstream ever merged any of mdomsch's changes? 19:06:30 * skvidal wonders if mdomsch is the new upstrea 19:06:34 <mdomsch> nirik: nope - upstream has been silent for months 19:06:45 <nirik> skvidal: yeah, no kidding. ;) 19:06:47 <mdomsch> I'm not the only one with forks - there are a pile of peole who have 19:06:58 <nirik> sad 19:07:26 <nirik> ok, if nothing else in a minute will close out the meeting. ;) 19:07:53 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 19:07:56 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2012-07-12)
by Kevin Fenzi 12 Jul '12

12 Jul '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-07-12) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-12/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:01) * Week in review (nirik, 17:02:34) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:02:34) * ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members (nirik, 17:04:38) * ticket 121 - Rude Attitude (nirik, 17:04:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/121 (nirik, 17:05:10) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:08:06) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig#Members (nirik, 17:10:59) * bacon (dcr226, 17:12:56) Meeting ended at 17:13:34 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (33) * dcr226 (10) * NiveusLuna (7) * Evil_Sonar_Chick (6) * zodbot (3) * N3LRX (2) -- 17:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-07-12) 17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 17:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:09 <nirik> any folks around for a irc support sig meeting? 17:00:14 * N3LRX 17:00:32 <NiveusLuna> I'm not part of the support SIG... do I count? 17:01:00 <nirik> sure, anyone welcome. 17:01:04 * Evil_Sonar_Chick 17:02:23 <nirik> ok, many folks are out today, so I think we can just breeze thru stuff... 17:02:34 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:02:34 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:03:01 <nirik> anyone care to note anything from the last week? common bugs? problems that are coming up, etc? 17:03:29 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> Nothing here I don't really pay attention to fedora 17:03:56 <nirik> it seemed a pretty typical week to me. 17:04:09 * dcr226 sneezes 17:04:34 <nirik> dcr226: sick? ;) 17:04:38 <nirik> #topic ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members 17:04:42 <nirik> this is still on me. 17:04:48 <nirik> I'll try and get to it soon. 17:04:55 <nirik> #topic ticket 121 - Rude Attitude 17:05:08 <dcr226> Heh 17:05:10 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/121 17:05:22 <nirik> I think the reporter here was being _WAY_ oversensitive... 17:06:03 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> I agree 17:06:15 <dcr226> +1 fenris02, reporter wasn't making sense 17:06:16 <NiveusLuna> agreed. 17:06:20 <nirik> I think it's fine that they asked in #fedora, but asking in a java specific channel is much more likely to have given an answer. 17:07:17 <nirik> so, would anyone like to step up to answer the reporter and close the ticket? 17:07:32 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> which is what was recommended and ignored!! 17:07:34 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> I will 17:08:01 <nirik> Evil_Sonar_Chick: thank you. 17:08:06 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:08:11 <nirik> anything for open floor? 17:08:57 <dcr226> wait, shouldn't we have had an argument by now? 17:09:11 <N3LRX> lol 17:09:30 <nirik> No! I vehemently disagree with you about having an argument. 17:09:34 <dcr226> Heh 17:09:34 <nirik> </joke> 17:09:59 <nirik> ok, same time next week then... keep up the good helping. 17:09:59 <Evil_Sonar_Chick> dcr226, I can give you a good arguement if that's what you really want 17:10:01 <NiveusLuna> What's needed to join the support sig? 17:10:10 <NiveusLuna> besides heavy knowledge of all things Fedora. 17:10:14 <dcr226> Evil_Sonar_Chick, nah, I'm good ta ;-) 17:10:18 <nirik> NiveusLuna: nothing, you just join by helping out folks in #fedora. ;) 17:10:27 <NiveusLuna> Oh, there's no FAS group? 17:10:59 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig#Members 17:11:07 <dcr226> NiveusLuna, you help out, then someone votes you to reside in the ops channel, then someone votes you for op 17:11:22 <dcr226> (in a nutshell) 17:11:54 <NiveusLuna> ah 17:12:18 <nirik> the page should have the (somewhat convoluted) info about members, voting members and ops. ;) 17:12:35 <NiveusLuna> Yeah, it does. I read it. Thanks. 17:12:41 <nirik> no problem. 17:12:49 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, shall we call it a meeting? 17:12:56 <dcr226> #info bacon 17:12:58 * dcr226 runs 17:13:24 <nirik> ha. 17:13:31 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone! 17:13:34 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2012-07-12)
by Akira TAGOH 12 Jul '12

12 Jul '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 05:01:50 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-12/i18n.2012-07-12-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 05:01:59) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-07-12 (tagoh_, 05:02:12) * F18 (tagoh_, 05:05:28) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Typing-Booster (juhp, 05:11:23) * ACTION: pravins to create the feature page for Liberation fonts (tagoh_, 05:11:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/ibus-typing-booster/ (juhp, 05:13:31) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ibus-libpinyin (juhp, 05:16:43) * ACTION: epico to update Features/ibus-libpinyin with detailed tasks and changing the default engine for Simplified Chinese (tagoh_, 05:23:31) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FontconfigEnableAutohinting (tagoh_, 05:25:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration (tagoh_, 05:31:34) * ACTION: fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration (tagoh_, 05:54:41) * Bugzilla cleanup (tagoh_, 05:56:07) * Input Methods (tagoh_, 05:58:40) * Fonts and Rendering (tagoh_, 06:00:35) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:04:40) Meeting ended at 06:15:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pravins to create the feature page for Liberation fonts * epico to update Features/ibus-libpinyin with detailed tasks and changing the default engine for Simplified Chinese * fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration Action Items, by person ----------------------- * epico * epico to update Features/ibus-libpinyin with detailed tasks and changing the default engine for Simplified Chinese * fujiwarat * fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration * juhp * fujiwarat and juhp to improve Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration * pravins * pravins to create the feature page for Liberation fonts * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (104) * juhp (58) * pravins (24) * epico (12) * fujiwarat (10) * zodbot (5) * anish__ (5) * paragan (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Board Recap 2012-07-11
by inode0 11 Jul '12

11 Jul '12

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2012-07-11 Meeting: Board meeting 2012-07-11 == Attendance == Present: Eric Christensen Peter Robinson Robyn Bergeron Garrett Holmstrom Toshio Kuratomi Jaroslav Reznik John Rose Nick Bebout (late) Absent: Christoph Wickert David Nalley Today's lucky secretary: John Rose ==Minutes== ===Announcements & welcoming new folks=== * Congratulate Jaroslav on his new role as Fedora Program Manager ===Follow-up: Release naming process=== * Come up with new processes for suggesting release names * Concern that some proposals are too narrow to be "fun" * Is "Having a theme" is a proposal or is "The theme is names of trees" a proposal? * Some think that having a new art theme each release makes Fedora fun for consumers to "look" at each release. * Critique about current proposals -- should include who/how names would be chosen. For instance, with most theme proposals, there really isn't a need for people to vote on choices like "redwood, sequoia, or oak" every release * Action: Eric Christensen to start conversation on the board list on release name process and rules to be taken to the community for input. ===New thread: Clarifying fedora positions=== * http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-July/011709.ht… * Board is interested in listing the roles and responsibilities within Fedora but doesn't see the value in specifically listing who is employing them. ** Many roles are created by a person interested in the role, not necessarily by someone being hired * Action: Robyn and Jaroslav to document the responsibilities of the Program Manager Role ===Secure Boot ticket=== * Topics ** FSF criticism of being able to run a non-third party dependent service: *** Users should be able to run this without the MS key. *** Be able to give people a key that they can import into their UEFI *** Have a shim that is signed by our key *** Questions about whether we can have the installer give the choice or detect which signed shim was needed for a system that it is installing on ** Legal documentation *** What are our terms of service with MS for the key? *** Multiple people unhappy with not having a document that lays out ways that a key gets blacklisted, and so forth. Makes people worried about that the key signer doesn't have to treat all signed keys equally. ** Fairness *** Desire to mitigate the unfairness to third party repos/remixes where possible *** Tools and documentation for how to generate keys in Fedora that can be imported into UEFI *** Answer to what pjones meant when saying we could build tools to import keys (into the kernel?) and whether we can use that to mitigate unfairness ===Open Floor / Your suggestion here / Who's got good news?=== === Next meeting: IRC, 2012-07-18 === https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings [[Category:Board meetings]]

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2012-07-11
by Paul Whalen 11 Jul '12

11 Jul '12

Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-07-11/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-07-11/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-07-11/fedora-meeting… Paul

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FAmNA Meeting (11 July 2012)
by inode0 10 Jul '12

10 Jul '12

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:35 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-07-11/famna.2012-07-11… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:01:05) * Announcements (inode0, 01:02:44) * new program manager, jreznik, HOORAY (rbergeron, 01:03:26) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:04:26) * Tickets (inode0, 01:05:18) * #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 (inode0, 01:05:52) * #10 (Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/10 (inode0, 01:09:09) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2012 (inode0, 01:09:27) * AGREED: TXLF 2012 Budget approved https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2012 (inode0, 01:15:07) * #23 (Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/23 (inode0, 01:24:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012 (inode0, 01:24:40) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012 (MarkDude, 01:24:56) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvE5AhSte7tVdDFIdV9fTTBXNFoyaX… (MarkDude, 01:27:19) * LINK: http://www.econolodge.com/hotel-portland-oregon-OR102/Hotel-Photos (bkerensa, 01:35:07) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvE5AhSte7tVdDFIdV9fTTBXNFoyaX… (nb, 01:43:49) * AGREED: CLS budget of $942 (3 rooms for 3 nights) and $290 (gas/parking for Nixie and Ryan) (inode0, 01:51:43) * #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) â€“ FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 (inode0, 01:55:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2012 (inode0, 01:55:15) * AGREED: Funding for OSCON 2012 - $357 (Sarah air fare), $1257.12 (3 rooms for 4 nights), $310 (gas for Nixie/Ryan) (inode0, 02:00:33) * Open Floor (inode0, 02:02:32) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 (dan408, 02:04:02) * LINK: http://www.amazon.com/inch-Rectangular-Royal-Tablecloth-Polyester/dp/B004VF… (bkerensa, 02:21:37) Meeting ended at 02:23:30 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * MarkDude (135) * inode0 (119) * rbergeron (76) * dan408 (29) * kk4ewt (23) * nb (22) * award3535 (17) * bkerensa (13) * zodbot (8) * quaid (6) * graphite6 (6) * suehle (5) * nixiepixel (3) * scientes (2) * izdubar (1) * Sonar_Gal (1) * lcameron (1) John

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2012-07-09 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 10 Jul '12

10 Jul '12

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120709 Next meeting is scheduled for 2012-07-16 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20120716 . Thanks! TOPIC: Anaconda new UI testing ======================================================================= * snapshot image of the new anaconda UI is available for testing, see [1] for instructions TOPIC: Blocker bug analysis ======================================================================= * bruno is still recovering from rawhide issues and hasn't had time to work on this yet TOPIC: Bodhi 2.0 design ideas ======================================================================= * Luke and Johann weren't available, but nirik has asked Luke to schedule a bodhi 2.0 sync meeting some time soon TOPIC: AutoQA Update ======================================================================= N/A TOPIC: Open Floor ======================================================================= * Bug #830482[2] is currently breaking boot for rawhide systems with encrypted partitions, beware, adamw has pinged halfline for a fix ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= N/A 1. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-July/108798.html 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=830482 -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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FAmSco meeting 2012-07-09 minutes
by Daniel Bruno 09 Jul '12

09 Jul '12

Hello guys, Follow the logs of the last FAmSCo meeting. <zodbot> Meeting ended Mon Jul 9 18:35:27 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . <zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-07-09/famsco.2012-07… <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-07-09/famsco.2012-07… <zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-07-09/famsco.2012-07… Next meeting: Monday July 16th at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 Regards, -- Daniel Bruno http://danielbruno.eti.br Mentor of Fedora Ambassadors on Latin America Fedora Latin America Infrastructure Team

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