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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-11-21)
by Kevin Fenzi 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-11-21) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-21/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:07) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:01:32) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:03:30) * LINK: https://github.com/gildub/arrod (nirik, 19:15:05) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:20:23) * updates applied yesterday, rhel 6.5 out today, will look at upgrading as much as we can before freeze (nirik, 19:22:06) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:27:46) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:27:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3796 - u think Javascript way or dig deeper, and try to change the apps behaviour? (docent_, 19:31:01) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:39:00) Meeting ended at 19:52:14 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (94) * abadger1999 (34) * pingou (28) * threebean (17) * relrod (12) * mirek (10) * docent (9) * abompard (8) * jimikirk (7) * zodbot (5) * lmacken (4) * docent_ (3) * smooge (3) * kde_tony (2) * tflink (2) * samkottler (1) * puiterwijk (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:07 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-11-21) 19:00:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 21 19:00:07 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:07 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:07 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:07 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:07 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:16 * relrod here 19:00:19 * lmacken 19:00:20 * threebean is here 19:00:29 * mirek also here 19:00:30 * tflink is around 19:00:37 * samkottler is kinda here 19:01:04 * abadger1999 here -- finishing up $otherMeeting meeting notes 19:01:16 <nirik> welcome everyone. 19:01:32 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:01:46 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves ? or apprentices with questions or comments? 19:02:26 <nirik> ok... 19:02:31 * pingou late 19:02:36 <jimikirk> nirik: I'm still looking for sponsor 19:02:55 <jimikirk> nirik: #fedora-devel didn't work 19:02:57 <nirik> jimikirk: sure, although thats not really infrastructure related. ;) 19:03:15 <jimikirk> nirik: ok, talk about it later 19:03:30 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:03:36 <kde_tony> .fas kdetony 19:03:36 <zodbot> kde_tony: kdetony 'Anthony Mogrovejo' <tony001983(a)gmail.com> 19:03:43 <nirik> any exciting applications news this week or upcoming? 19:03:49 <nirik> hey kde_tony 19:04:04 <kde_tony> hi nirik :) 19:04:12 <pingou> some pkgdb2 work 19:04:26 <pingou> and a lot of work on fmn, but I let threebean talk about that :) 19:04:34 <mirek> I would like to get more active around cloud - just been on second openstack workshop, can we get keystone credentials to Fedora Cloud get on some place where is not required root and where members of sysadmin-cloud can access it? 19:04:38 * docent_ is late as usual 19:04:55 <threebean> yeah, not much to talk about with fmn unless people have any questions. lots of rapid dev this week and last. 19:05:11 <threebean> We have a cloud instance up here http://209.132.184.212 19:05:25 <threebean> And the source is here https://github.com/fedora-infra/fmn 19:05:45 <threebean> we're working out of the TODO.md file there and are aiming to get this stood up in at least our staging environment by dec. 15th. 19:05:48 <nirik> mirek: possibly. But what things would you do? More help might be someone driving install of our havana or whatever cloud with ansible playbooks. 19:05:56 <pingou> oh threebean check the grey bar at the top and the <title> 19:06:12 <threebean> pingou: will fix :) thanks 19:06:31 * abompard says hello 19:06:44 <lmacken> bodhi: minor bugfix update hit the mashers yesterday. 19:07:03 <abadger1999> threebean, pingou: I thought of one pkgdb+fmn interaction I hadn't before. 19:07:21 <abadger1999> What happens if someone wants to deploy pkgdb2 in their own infrastructure? 19:07:29 <abadger1999> Will they also have to deploy fedmsgand fmn? 19:07:40 <abadger1999> or can we have a fallback notification method of some sort? 19:07:41 <threebean> they won't have to.. but they would if they wanted email notifications. 19:07:56 <mirek> nirik: start new instances, create/change flavours (will probably need that for copr), but yeah, can even install OS havana (or we want to upgrade current one OS to havana?) 19:08:00 * abadger1999 hadn't thought of this until pidora expressed interest in running it too. 19:08:11 <threebean> right, right. 19:08:40 <pingou> abadger1999: I thought about this yesterday indeed, I might have to write the email system finally :/ 19:08:53 <threebean> heh :) 19:09:04 <threebean> what if they don't want emails? (no one wants emails...) 19:09:11 <threebean> pingou, abadger1999: let's ask them first. 19:09:16 <pingou> then they just turn it off :) 19:09:34 <nirik> mirek: well, new instances are either via ansible or self service, so there's not usually much to do there. :) flavors I could see, but we haven't really bothered yet... if you are interested in installing new I can bring you up to speed on that and get you access. There's 0 upgrade path, so no, we don't want to upgrade I don't think. 19:09:38 <pingou> it will have to be swith on/off as I don't want email notifications + fmn 19:10:05 <nirik> mirek: my plan was to install latest one via ansible playbooks, get it all working right, then migrate instances over from the old one (ie, terminate and redeploy) 19:10:06 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:10:12 <abadger1999> okay, sounds like a plan then. 19:10:43 <pingou> threebean: abadger1999 it's just gonna be a hock onto the log() function where all the fedmsg notifications are also set-up 19:10:54 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:11:00 <abadger1999> that makes sense to me. 19:11:00 <threebean> pingou: nice :) 19:11:41 * pingou added some task pro:pkgdb2 for tomorrow \ó/ 19:11:49 <nirik> mirek: anyhow, if you want to work on that, happy to set you up. I keep not getting to it. ;( 19:11:50 <mirek> nirik: if we have HW to run old cloud and new one in paralel, then it would be best 19:12:05 <nirik> mirek: yep. we have 2 machines not in the current cloud. 19:12:47 <nirik> just to note, we go back into freeze next tuesday. :) Anything folks want to try and land before then? 19:13:08 <smooge> sorry I need to move my clock 19:13:15 <threebean> hm.. perhaps we should create nodes for fmn ahead of time? 19:13:24 <pingou> +1 19:13:27 <mirek> hmm since Copr is still not officially part of infra then it is not affected by frezee? 19:13:40 <nirik> mirek: right, it would not be frozen. 19:13:51 <nirik> threebean: could do that yeah... in case. :) 19:14:01 <threebean> :) 19:14:06 <nirik> aat least the stg ones 19:14:16 <threebean> cool 19:14:19 <mirek> nirik: can you point me to openstack playbooks in ansible? I could not find it 19:14:32 <nirik> mirek: it's a seperate repo, let me get it... 19:15:05 <nirik> https://github.com/gildub/arrod 19:15:23 * mirek si looking 19:15:36 * abadger1999 will try to land his python-fedora change today. 19:15:41 <nirik> I've run into various issues with it, the maintainer is pretty responsive, but I keep getting distracted. :) 19:15:46 <pingou> abadger1999: cool! 19:15:57 <nirik> abadger1999: whats in that? 19:15:59 <abadger1999> pingou: heh -- hotfix. Not the release changes. 19:16:16 <nirik> did we need something in there for mod_auth_openid? 19:16:18 * nirik forgets. 19:16:20 <abadger1999> nirik: fix the translation of TG1 apps (notably: fas) 19:16:55 <pingou> abadger1999: still good :) 19:16:56 <nirik> thats a biggie yeah 19:17:38 <nirik> ok, any other apps news? 19:17:58 <mirek> nirik: and is somewher doc how and to which machines we deploy it? could not see anything relevant in doc.git 19:18:38 <nirik> mirek: no doc, I can fill you in after the meeting... basically you fill in some group vars. ;) 19:19:00 <nirik> ideally we get this working and merge it into our ansible repo so we can just deploy/update/change the cloud from the same place we do everything else. 19:19:47 <mirek> nirik: some group vars, yes... :) http://www.survivedavis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/owl.jpg 19:20:01 <nirik> heh. nice. :) 19:20:02 <mirek> nirik: I will cont. on that with you after meeting 19:20:13 <nirik> thats also known as "this step left as an exersize for the reader" 19:20:21 <nirik> anyhow... 19:20:23 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:20:34 <nirik> so, we had an outage yesterday and got everything updated. 19:20:41 <nirik> and today... rhel 6.5 came out. ;) 19:20:45 <relrod> yep :P 19:21:00 <nirik> which is our normal luck. ;) 19:21:15 <nirik> anyhow, so I am going to look at updating all the stuff we can thats non outage causing... 19:21:30 <nirik> and then decide if we want to have another short outage monday before freeze to update outage causing things. 19:22:06 <nirik> #info updates applied yesterday, rhel 6.5 out today, will look at upgrading as much as we can before freeze 19:22:12 * lmacken checks if any of our wsgi stack got updated in 6.5 19:22:17 <nirik> Also I grew db01's disk a bunch. 19:22:53 <nirik> We also have 9 builders on one of our new blades using iscsi. 19:23:14 <nirik> They seemed to do ok at first, but then were very slow later for some things. More data and investigation needed. 19:23:47 <abompard> Quick update of the HyperKitty front: I merged mizmo's work and deployed my redesign of the front page. Now I'm fixing the stuff that broke on real data :-) 19:23:58 <nirik> they did finish all there image builds from rawhide/branched today ok. 19:24:06 <nirik> abompard: cool. ;) 19:24:06 <lmacken> new python beaker and weberror in rhel 6.5. I think that'll only affect fedora-packages 19:24:17 <smooge> oh boy 19:24:28 <pingou> threebean: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/explore/badges/rss we should add it to the planet now :) 19:24:36 <threebean> pingou: oh, right! 19:24:43 <pingou> nirik: the specific planet feeds are managed by puppet right? 19:24:48 <pingou> s/by/in/ 19:25:09 <nirik> abompard: do we want to perhaps roll out a mailman01 production before freeze? or just wait and do prod after f20 is out/with freeze breaks? 19:25:16 <nirik> pingou: you can add them in puppet yeah. 19:25:33 <pingou> threebean: do you or shall I? 19:25:43 <threebean> pingou: go for it :) 19:25:45 <pingou> threebean: on my way 19:26:15 <abompard> nirik: I guess we can wait for f20, working around the schedule may end up being more work 19:26:46 <nirik> abompard: ok. I'm eager to have a prod one, but sure... :) 19:26:59 <abompard> nirik: I can understand that :-) 19:27:46 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:27:46 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:27:56 <nirik> anything upcoming people would like to schedule or note? 19:28:03 <nirik> next week is a holiday in the US... 19:28:13 <nirik> so no meeting, unless someone else wants to run one. ;) 19:28:26 <abadger1999> heh, what days are we supposed to be taking off? 19:28:42 <nirik> thursday and friday 19:28:52 <nirik> are holidays for RH folks in the US. 19:29:00 * nirik will of course likely still be around. 19:29:27 * abadger1999 will try to stay away on Friday. Thursday it will be easier as he'll be in the kitchen. 19:29:40 <nirik> :) 19:29:58 <nirik> you could go do some "black friday" shopping. Won't that be fun? :) 19:30:08 <smooge> I will be around on Thursday and Friday. I plan to cook and run a D&D game but other than that will be around 19:30:18 <abadger1999> nirik: Mmm... black friday is what will keep me at home ;-) 19:30:43 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah, no kidding. 19:30:47 <tflink> nirik: I made the mistake of doing that one year ... no plans to repeat the mistake :) 19:31:01 <docent_> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3796 - u think Javascript way or dig deeper, and try to change the apps behaviour? 19:31:43 <nirik> hey docent_ 19:31:47 <docent_> :) 19:31:48 <nirik> good question. 19:31:54 <abadger1999> docent_: Javascript definitely 19:32:42 <docent> ok second question - is that totally dead one: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2984 ? :) 19:33:05 <nirik> docent: there were still a few pending I think there... 19:33:10 <nirik> but the main driver of it moved on. 19:33:24 <nirik> we need to look at whats not yet done... 19:33:39 <abadger1999> docent: The linked owasp.org points out that https-only sites are not affected by the known easy vulnerability... that's us. 19:33:58 <docent> abadger1999: great :) 19:34:19 <abadger1999> docent: also, the csrf protection in the URL is for TG1 and TG2. we're getting rid of tg1 and only have one tg2 app at the moment. 19:34:26 * nirik ponders. perhaps a 'git grep db01' and looking for any that still point direct to db01 would show them? 19:34:42 <docent> ok so i'll stick to this csrf-issue with webapps..? or it can be left as it is? 19:34:58 <abadger1999> docent: Fixing it via javascript is a good thing to do. 19:35:04 <docent> ok, great thx 19:35:12 <nirik> looks to me like 'datagrepper' and 'askbot' are the two left. 19:35:20 <abadger1999> as it will keep it out of bookmarks, cut and paste, etc. 19:35:50 <docent> :) 19:35:54 <nirik> abadger1999: would this be a hotfix thing? or ? this is bodhi and pkgdb? 19:36:03 <abadger1999> jsut pointing out that we're not exposed to the automated problems. 19:36:10 <abadger1999> nirik: fas, bodhi, packagedb, elections1. 19:36:29 <nirik> ok. 19:36:33 <abadger1999> We could hotfix. 19:36:48 <nirik> although in practice people only usually copy/paste from bodhi/pkgdb 19:36:56 <abadger1999> But we probably don't 100% need to. 19:37:10 <abadger1999> yeah -- because fas requires that you login to view anything. 19:37:43 <abadger1999> I think I'd hotfix if we're not in freeze. 19:37:46 <nirik> well, with bodhi we could just try and get lmacken to add it to next release, but pkgdb isn't likely to have too many more releases right? 19:38:02 <abadger1999> If we are in freeze, defer deploying until later. 19:38:10 <abadger1999> nirik: correct. 19:38:11 <nirik> yeah, it's a convience. 19:38:31 <docent> ok i'll bother you with that in a few days after meeting. don't know even how to start own dev envs for those apps for now so first i'll have to work this out 19:38:52 <nirik> docent: cool. You can always ask in #fedora-apps on how to get started. 19:38:58 <docent> sure :) 19:39:00 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:39:17 <nirik> any items for open floor? suggestions, comments, ideas, turkey recipies? 19:40:11 <relrod> Still looking for people willing to (co)maintain the dpsearch package...We've been following the upstream snapshots (which they've been doing more of lately) and I don't have enough time/energy right now to maintain it as well as it should be. 19:40:18 <pingou> oh has the meeting time changed for you? 19:40:24 <relrod> So if we're still interested in possibly deploying it one day, it'd be nice to have some comaintainers 19:40:54 <pingou> with the time change, it's an hour earlier for us ( abompard and I) 19:41:14 <nirik> pingou: yeah, it's earlier for us too... did you want to move it? 19:41:19 <docent> relrod: is that something suitable for apprentices? 19:41:30 <nirik> relrod: how often? I might be able to help out... 19:41:47 <pingou> nirik: I must say, 9pm is better for me (not in the middle of dinner as it is now), but I'm not the only one :) 19:41:49 <relrod> docent: suitable for anyone in the packager group ;) 19:41:53 <jimikirk> relrod: I'm interested in co-maintaining 19:42:08 <docent> relrod: ha, so no can do for now ;) 19:42:28 <relrod> nirik: one sec 19:42:38 <nirik> pingou: yeah, if we move an hour eariler we need to coordinate with the irc support sig, as they are an hour before this meeting. 19:42:48 <nirik> if we move an hour later we could do that yeah 19:42:52 <pingou> nirik: or one hour later if it was 19:42:53 <relrod> nirik: looks like every 2 weeks or so, lately. 19:43:05 * relrod has no idea when they're going to make 4.54 stable. 19:43:16 <nirik> relrod: if you want to mentor jimikirk, you could add him as comaintainer and show him the ropes. ;) 19:43:30 <pingou> abompard: what's better for you for the meeting (time wise) ? 19:43:51 <abompard> pingou: something earlier would be better 19:43:55 <nirik> relrod: and/or I also could comaintain and help mentor. 19:44:13 <relrod> nirik: sure, happy to add you both. 19:44:13 <jimikirk> nirik, relrod: I'm very interested 19:44:31 <pingou> abompard: and is 9 better than 8 for you? (if we can't move earlier) 19:44:34 <abompard> pingou: but if you prefer 9pm, I can make it work 19:44:37 <abompard> pingou: yeah 19:44:52 <nirik> relrod: cool. I'll need to sponsor jimikirk... but I can do that and we can sort it after the meeting? 19:45:02 <relrod> nirik: wfm :) 19:45:27 <jimikirk> relrod: perhaps meeting in fedora-devel or fedora-admin after this meeting? 19:45:34 <nirik> abompard / pingou we could also just do a whenisgood and see if moving days would be better? 19:45:38 <abompard> pingou: actually I don't mind, 8pm or 9pm is pretty much the same 19:45:42 <relrod> jimikirk: -admin works 19:45:51 <jimikirk> relrod: ok 19:46:11 <pingou> nirik: day is fine for me, it's more the time 19:46:20 <pingou> but if I'm the only one, I'll deal with it :) 19:46:21 <nirik> we have been on thursdays for a long time, but I don't care much as long as the most people could make it. 19:46:34 <pingou> abadger1999: you have a meeting earlier don't you? 19:46:37 <abadger1999> FPC is two hours earlier and lately has gone two hours. That won't go on forever, though (and many times, I don't have to speak in this meeting -- especially when FPC has big things that take 2hours to resolve :-( 19:47:04 <abadger1999> pingou: so I wouldn't object to an hour earlier. 19:47:24 <nirik> also however, there's sometimes a fedora engineering phone meeting now an hour before this meeting... 19:47:32 <nirik> so if we moved earlier that would conflict too. 19:47:38 <abadger1999> nirik: Maybe we could change that one though? 19:47:44 <nirik> possibly yeah. 19:48:01 <abadger1999> I don't think we've met twice at the same time for that yet. 19:48:26 <nirik> so, an hour later wouldn't help any? or it would? 19:48:45 <abadger1999> (Although, I think the next meeting has someone externally scheduled.. so maybe we can't change that one.) 19:48:55 <pingou> earlier is better, then it's later, then it's as it is now 19:49:24 <nirik> perhaps we should do a whenisgood. ;) 19:50:14 <nirik> I'll look at doing that (or someone else can) and send to the list. 19:50:32 <nirik> lets assume current time until/unless we change 19:51:04 <pingou> +1 19:51:20 <nirik> cool. Anything else for open floor? 19:51:36 <relrod> not from me 19:52:11 <nirik> cool. Thanks for coming everyone! 19:52:14 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-11-21 17:00 - 19:00 UTC)
by James Antill 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 17:04:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-21/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (abadger1999, 17:04:27) * SCLs (abadger1999, 17:06:37) * LINK: https://bugs.linuxfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1164#c7 (abadger1999, 17:07:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/363 (kkeithley_, 17:28:32) * 363 exception for bundled library libntirpc in nfs-ganesha (abadger1999, 17:29:31) * Temporary bundling exception for libntirpc in nfs-ganesha until after Fedora 23 approved (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:34:38) * #358 Please make some autotools guidelines. (abadger1999, 17:35:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/358 (abadger1999, 17:36:03) * ACTION: abadger1999 to write up some guidelines based on past FPC decisions. It will allow both strategies. (abadger1999, 17:45:25) * 359 Forbid sysv initscripts in addition to systemd unit files https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/359 (abadger1999, 17:46:59) * "Packagers MUST NOT include SysV initscripts in addition to systemd unit files, even in a separate <code>$name-sysvinit</code> subpackage." Approved (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1) (abadger1999, 18:07:30) * #361 Two more bundled MD5 implementations (abadger1999, 18:07:42) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/361 (abadger1999, 18:07:46) * New Virtual Provide for C++ port of deutsch's md5 code: bundled(md5-deutsch-c++) passed: (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 18:15:42) * 362 lpf in Fedora (abadger1999, 18:16:20) * #364 exception for bundled library ccan in ocserv (abadger1999, 18:17:27) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/364 (abadger1999, 18:17:31) * LINK: http://ccodearchive.net/ (abadger1999, 18:18:13) * LINK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tangent-trunk/libmemcached/1.2/view/head:/libh… (geppetto, 18:35:18) * LINK: http://burtleburtle.net/bob/c/lookup3.c <= original for that code (abadger1999, 18:38:58) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 18:47:54) Meeting ended at 18:55:41 UTC. Action Items ------------ * abadger1999 to write up some guidelines based on past FPC decisions. It will allow both strategies. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * abadger1999 * abadger1999 to write up some guidelines based on past FPC decisions. It will allow both strategies. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (162) * geppetto (58) * RemiFedora (36) * limburgher (23) * tibbs|w (22) * racor (17) * kkeithley_ (6) * zodbot (4) * sgallagh (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2013-11-21)
by Kevin Fenzi 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-11-21) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:12 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-21/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:12) * Week in review (nirik, 18:03:07) * efi issues/confusion seems on the rise, more docs welcome (nirik, 18:09:43) * next week is holiday in the US, no meeting (nirik, 18:10:59) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:11:29) Meeting ended at 18:20:06 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (35) * danofsatx (11) * EvilBob (10) * DiscordianUK (10) * kc8hfi (4) * zodbot (3) * N3LRX (1) -- 18:00:12 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-11-21) 18:00:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 21 18:00:12 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:12 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:12 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:00:12 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:00:26 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting? 18:01:08 <danofsatx> I'm here 18:01:27 <DiscordianUK> i am 18:01:36 <nirik> back in a sec... 18:01:56 * EvilBob 18:03:07 <nirik> ok, lets dive on in then 18:03:07 <nirik> #topic Week in review 18:03:15 <nirik> anything exciting from the last few weeks? 18:03:40 <nirik> we have gotten more f20-beta folks... but I haven't really noticed any common problems they are having or anything. 18:03:49 <danofsatx> Well, I joined the group - does that count? 18:04:02 <nirik> danofsatx: :) welcome 18:04:11 <DiscordianUK> UEFI installs still seem to be a common issue 18:04:28 <EvilBob> A lot of concern about the fglrx/catalyst driver working 18:04:54 <danofsatx> IPv6 is an issue. I haven't nailed down specifics yet, though. 18:05:02 <nirik> DiscordianUK: yeah. Since I now have an efi machine I can help with those... probibly we should do a wiki page writeup or something. 18:05:23 <nirik> EvilBob: sadly so. My distaste for that package continues to grow. ;( 18:05:32 <DiscordianUK> It works for me on a multiple machines 18:05:39 <DiscordianUK> s/a/ 18:05:56 * N3LRX is here 18:06:04 <danofsatx> DiscordianUK: I didn't have an issue with EFI on a clean install of F20. a Dual-boot install of F19 with W8, however, bricked the machine, which is why I got to do a clean F20 install. 18:06:34 <DiscordianUK> But people forget /boot/efi should be the EFI system partition and should not be reformatted 18:06:42 <nirik> EvilBob: it seems safer these days to just assume it doesn't work. ;) 18:06:50 * EvilBob nods 18:07:14 <nirik> DiscordianUK: yeah, a UEFI wiki page might be nice... to just list those differences. 18:07:36 <danofsatx> A lot of the reference documents make no distiction between /boot on BIOS systems and /boot/efi on UEFI systems. 18:07:37 <nirik> I can see about making something and get people to help fill it in. 18:08:13 <DiscordianUK> we populate entries in /boot/efi 18:08:17 <danofsatx> they just default to /boot which could be the source of a lot of confusion 18:08:31 <nirik> yeah, it's just something many aren't used to. ;) 18:08:50 <nirik> also, grub2-efi.cfg instead of grub2.cfg 18:08:57 <nirik> and efibootmgr 18:09:22 <DiscordianUK> i have had my struggles with efibootmgr 18:09:43 <nirik> #info efi issues/confusion seems on the rise, more docs welcome 18:10:18 <nirik> anything else for the last few weeks? 18:10:50 <nirik> I'll note next week in the US is a holiday, so no meeting then. 18:10:59 <nirik> #info next week is holiday in the US, no meeting 18:11:02 <DiscordianUK> okay 18:11:26 <nirik> we have no pending tickets... 18:11:29 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:11:41 <nirik> any open floor items? suggestions, ideas, comments, ? 18:12:04 <danofsatx> I need to create a test case for IPv6. Can anyone help with that? 18:12:24 <EvilBob> danofsatx: Not sure what that has to do with this group 18:12:33 <nirik> danofsatx: I could try time permitting... ipv6 works fine here tho. 18:12:51 <kc8hfi> the fedoraunity.org page seems to have trouble finding usernames if someboyd has forgotten their pwd and needs to get it reset 18:13:11 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: the DB is corrupt 18:13:16 <danofsatx> IPv6 in F20 is broken, and I'm not sure of the "correct" test procedures for the Fedora Project 18:13:38 <danofsatx> if there are any, that is 18:13:44 <EvilBob> danofsatx: Lets not drag this group's meeting down with that 18:13:47 <DiscordianUK> i suggest asking in #fedora-qa 18:14:19 <danofsatx> ok - I misunderstood what we were doing here. 18:14:21 <nirik> danofsatx: works here, but yeah, ask qa folks to help duplicate and then file bugs on it. 18:14:23 * danofsatx is sorry 18:14:29 <nirik> no worries. 18:14:32 <kc8hfi> EvilBob: ahh. What do they plan on doing about it? 18:14:41 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: nothing 18:15:35 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: It's perfect, zope+plone is perfectly awesome! You don't question the awesomeness of it! 18:16:18 <nirik> riight. 18:16:50 <nirik> anyhow, thats something for them to determine... not us. ;) 18:16:57 <nirik> anything else for open floor? 18:17:08 <DiscordianUK> not me 18:17:13 <kc8hfi> I reckon i did a bad thing. I questioned just how good zope+plone is! 18:17:51 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: It's OK daMaestro is not here to rip your head off and shit down your neck for it. 18:18:19 <EvilBob> kc8hfi: But now it will be in the log so he will hunt us both down... 18:18:35 <nirik> nice knowing you guys. ;) 18:18:46 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute if nothing more comes up 18:18:46 <kc8hfi> yeah...that may not be a good thing.... 18:20:03 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. Do keep helping in #fedora. ;) 18:20:06 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Minutes from today's (11/20/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! It seems like meeting at 17:00 UTC is tough for some people so we'll work on finding a better time going forward. For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above): ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:00:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-20/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (samkottler, 17:01:08) * Google compute (samkottler, 17:06:23) * ACTION: mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream (mattdm, 17:09:06) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-November/002304.html (samkottler, 17:12:33) * marketing/design document (samkottler, 17:16:35) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 (samkottler, 17:17:29) * open floor (samkottler, 17:21:03) * jzb sent out a rough pass at mizmo's questions (gholms, 17:27:33) * ACTION: jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week (gholms, 17:28:09) * HELP: Please help test f20 images (gholms, 17:30:20) Meeting ended at 17:30:39 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream * jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jzb * jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week * mattdm * mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samkottler (52) * mattdm (32) * gholms (24) * jzb (8) * mrunge (6) * zodbot (5) * number80 (0) * rbergeron (0) 17:00:18 <samkottler> #startmeeting Cloud WG weekly meeting 17:00:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 20 17:00:18 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:18 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:38 <samkottler> #chair mattdm rbergeron number80 17:00:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:00:45 <mattdm> hello! 17:00:59 <samkottler> heyya 17:01:08 <samkottler> #topic rollcall 17:01:13 * samkottler is here :) 17:01:14 <mrunge> hey 17:01:23 * mrunge is very shortly here 17:01:26 <samkottler> #chair mrunge 17:01:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:01:44 * mrunge suggests a different meeting time, as this is very inconvenient for me 17:02:18 <samkottler> mrunge: that's a good thing to talk about on the list 17:02:21 <samkottler> it's hard to do over IRC 17:02:32 <mrunge> I agree samkottler 17:02:47 <mrunge> esp. since there are other person not attending the meeting as well 17:02:58 <mattdm> thanks for coming nonetheless :) 17:03:18 <samkottler> indeed :) 17:03:31 <samkottler> let's just wait a couple more minutes for people to show up 17:03:47 <mrunge> well, I need to run away very shortly. so, I'll just drop off 17:04:36 * gholms goes to sit with the peanut gallery 17:06:00 <samkottler> okay I guess we'll get started, although we don't have quorum 17:06:09 * mattdm nods 17:06:23 <samkottler> #topic Google compute 17:06:35 <mattdm> I don't know exactly why but it's been a crazy chaotic week nad I feel like zero time has passed since last meeting. *sigh* 17:06:41 <samkottler> frankie isn't here so no update on packaging work right now 17:06:57 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, same :( 17:07:12 <mattdm> looks like there was agreement on the mailing list that we should focus on cloud-init in the images 17:07:25 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, seems like we don't even need to vote on that 17:07:32 <mattdm> gholms What do you think about carrying that debian patch? 17:07:56 <samkottler> I was gonna kick the tires on the tools google built, but totally ran out of time 17:08:05 <gholms> I think it should go upstream for review. 17:08:17 <gholms> Then I'm totally happy to grab it. 17:08:29 <samkottler> gholms: does canonical maintain the upstream? 17:08:51 <gholms> Yes 17:08:52 <mattdm> I'll ping the google people about that. 17:09:06 <mattdm> #action mattdm to ping google about gce cloud-init patch upstream 17:09:30 <samkottler> I also reached out to legal about the trusted tester agreement 17:09:40 <samkottler> it's being reviewed right now, I should have word back today or tomorrow 17:09:53 * gholms hopes they aren't reluctant due to canonical's ridiculous contributor licensing racket 17:09:53 <samkottler> things seem promising, though 17:09:56 * samkottler knocks on wood 17:10:01 <gholms> Nice! 17:10:05 <samkottler> gholms: you mean bzr? 17:10:06 <samkottler> :P 17:10:21 <gholms> Nah, the full copyright license thing. 17:10:34 * gholms saves the rant for later 17:10:36 <samkottler> I know, twas kidding :) 17:10:44 <gholms> ;) 17:11:08 <samkottler> so yeah, that's all I've got on the GCE front 17:11:20 <samkottler> anyone got anything else to add? 17:11:22 <mattdm> (they did indicate in a mailing list post that upstream was a goal) 17:11:27 <gholms> What's the trusted tester thing? 17:11:29 <mattdm> that's aall from me for now too. 17:12:11 <samkottler> gholms: google makes people who want to upload images sign a document called the trusted tester agreement to basically give access to more advanced/not thoroughly tested parts of GCE 17:12:33 <samkottler> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2013-November/002304.html 17:12:51 <gholms> Mere mortals can't upload their own images? How sad. :( 17:13:32 <samkottler> gholms: I think ultimately they will be able to 17:13:40 <samkottler> the features just aren't fully rolled out 17:14:05 * gholms hopes that happens soon 17:14:17 <mattdm> gholms that's actually the state of the art in pretty much most public clouds except ec2 17:15:06 <gholms> Yup. It's really disappointing. 17:16:00 <mattdm> Yup. Next thing, then? 17:16:35 <samkottler> #topic marketing/design document 17:17:25 <samkottler> so some background, the design + marketing teams have asked for some info about what our aims are 17:17:28 <samkottler> so they can plan accordingly 17:17:29 <samkottler> https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/3 17:17:56 <mattdm> it's a really good question :) 17:18:03 <samkottler> if we come across any issues that are contentious they'll have to wait until we have quorum, though 17:18:23 <gholms> I don't think people know the difference between a server and a cloud guest yet, so we probably don't even know ourselves. ;) 17:18:24 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah, slightly interdependent on the PRD 17:18:43 <mattdm> definitely. 17:19:12 <samkottler> jzb just sent a really nice reply to the list 17:19:26 <mattdm> okay, so, proposal: more list discussion here. 17:19:57 <mattdm> (and by here, i mean "on this topic") 17:20:03 <samkottler> mattdm: WFM 17:20:08 <mattdm> (not "here on irc". that would make no sense) 17:20:29 <gholms> There are more people on the list. :) 17:20:58 <samkottler> okay then 17:21:03 <samkottler> #topic open floor 17:21:24 <mattdm> I think we haven't really settled on how targetted we are going to be and how much we're going to do, say, jeos vs. some bigger solution (like coreos+docker) vs. "appliance library" 17:21:50 <samkottler> mattdm: sorry, do you want to keep the last topic going? 17:22:10 <mattdm> eh. that's basically all I have to say and I don't think we're going to decide it right now ;) 17:22:19 <samkottler> agreed 17:22:33 <samkottler> that's part of both the PRD and 'what even are we doing?!' 17:22:37 <gholms> It doesn't even seem like people agree on whether the server should be the minimal thing or the guest should. More discussion is needed. 17:22:55 * mattdm nods 17:23:06 <mattdm> and then an actual decision. 17:23:10 <samkottler> we should probably loop in the server WG 17:23:20 <samkottler> and then have a bigger convo about all this 17:23:36 <mattdm> yeah. I actually have a bunch of mail in my inbox to reply to that relates to all of this. and on the server wg mailing list. 17:23:55 * samkottler needs to subscribe to that list 17:24:05 * gholms is still mad at openstack for overloading the term "server" even more 17:24:15 <mattdm> It's also possible that we end up doing that has a lot of overlap but in different ways. That's not as nice as everything fitting into a jigsaw puzzle but would still be okay. 17:24:37 * gholms nods 17:24:51 <samkottler> gholms: and triple-O even further blurs the lines 17:25:00 <gholms> Heh, yep 17:25:12 <samkottler> treat your servers like cloud guests and then run your cloud guests on your cloud guests 17:25:15 <samkottler> AHHH 17:25:28 * jzb apologizes for being late. Damn time zones. 17:25:33 <samkottler> #chair jzb 17:25:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: jzb mattdm mrunge number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:25:58 <gholms> Heya, jzb 17:26:07 <jzb> gholms: howdy 17:26:10 <mattdm> jzb not too much at this meeting. got anything to raise? 17:26:19 <gholms> samkottler: Eucalyptus does that, and let me tell you, it's awesome. 17:26:26 <jzb> mattdm: have we discussed the branding stuff? 17:26:39 <mattdm> jzb mostly we said "more mailing list discussion" 17:26:41 <jzb> I sent out a rough pass at the Q's mizmo asked 17:26:45 <jzb> OK 17:26:51 <mattdm> i saw but havne't read yet 17:27:07 <jzb> I'm writing up notes from re:Invent that I will share to the list later this week 17:27:22 <mattdm> she asked for that back by dec 3 so I think we should try to have something to by official for next week 17:27:30 <mattdm> "to be" 17:27:33 <gholms> #info jzb sent out a rough pass at mizmo's questions 17:27:56 <jzb> that's all I've got unless someone's got a task for me 17:28:09 <gholms> #action jzb will send re:invent notes to the list this week 17:28:51 * samkottler doesn't have any other topics 17:29:26 <mattdm> yep i think we're done for now. 17:29:40 <mattdm> f20 test candidate images are coming out.... 17:29:55 <mattdm> testing them is a helpful thing to do. :) 17:29:59 <jzb> mattdm: here I was worried I wouldn't have anything to do over Thanksgiving. 17:30:10 <mattdm> jzb right :) 17:30:20 <gholms> #help Please help test f20 images 17:30:39 <samkottler> #endmeeting

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Meeting minutes - today's Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2013-11-19)
by Marcela Mašláňová 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2013-11-19) ============================================ Meeting started by mmaslano at 16:04:20 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-19/env_and_stacks.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (mmaslano, 16:07:42) * ACTION: pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages (mmaslano, 16:11:59) * use urls like http://fp.o/wiki/Environment and Stacks/* (mmaslano, 16:13:15) * and categories should use [[Category: Environment and Stacks]] (mmaslano, 16:13:52) * put a link to our homepage to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next (mmaslano, 16:17:44) * PRD (mmaslano, 16:19:29) * LINK: http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR (abadger1999, 17:04:53) * ACTION: everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing list this week (abadger1999, 17:37:44) Meeting ended at 17:43:04 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages * everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing list this week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * handsome_pirate * pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages * pkovar * pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages * **UNASSIGNED** * everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing list this week People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (101) * mmaslano (70) * tjanez (27) * samkottler (17) * drieden (14) * pkovar (11) * hhorak (9) * zodbot (4) * sochotni (2) * nirik (1) * bkabrda (0) * juhp (0) * handsome_pirate (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 16:04:20 <mmaslano> #startmeeting Env and Stacks (2013-11-19) 16:04:20 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 19 16:04:20 2013 UTC. The chair is mmaslano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:04:20 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:04:27 <mmaslano> #meetingname env and stacks 16:04:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'env_and_stacks' 16:05:37 <mmaslano> #chair abadger1999 pkovar tjanez samkottler bkabrda handsome_pirate hhorak juhp 16:05:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 bkabrda handsome_pirate hhorak juhp mmaslano pkovar samkottler tjanez 16:06:06 <mmaslano> how many people is here? 16:06:14 <hhorak> Hi, I am 16:06:24 <tjanez> hi 16:06:24 <drieden> Hello 16:06:24 * pkovar is here 16:06:27 * sochotni 16:07:36 <mmaslano> ok, we have some members here 16:07:42 <mmaslano> #topic init process 16:08:01 <mmaslano> let's go through old stuff first 16:08:27 <mmaslano> I admit I forgot to create trac request, I opened a ticket now https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4124 16:08:34 <mmaslano> what about wiki pages? 16:09:15 <pkovar> keep them where they are? 16:09:34 <pkovar> i think that other WG are also using fedora wiki, no? 16:10:03 <mmaslano> someone had to create them 16:10:06 <tjanez> I believe handsome_pirate said he'll setup our Wiki page 16:10:14 <tjanez> on Fedora wiki, of course 16:10:32 <mmaslano> I understand he will put content about WG on one place 16:10:33 <pkovar> good, i can help with that 16:10:53 <mmaslano> pkovar: do you want to poke him what's the status or if we have any problem? 16:11:09 * abadger1999 here 16:11:13 <pkovar> sure, will try to hunt him down :-) 16:11:42 <drieden> is handsome_pirate in Westford? If so, want me to follow up with him? 16:11:43 * abadger1999 nots that "space on the wiki" should just be convention. 16:11:59 <mmaslano> #action pkovar will hunt handsome_pirate for content of WG wiki pages 16:12:15 <mmaslano> drieden: I do not know, where is he located 16:12:17 <abadger1999> with mediawiki, convention is usually like [[Category: Environment and Stacks]] 16:12:50 <abadger1999> but in Fedora, we like using urls like http://fp.o/wiki/Environment and Stacks/* 16:13:15 <mmaslano> #info use urls like http://fp.o/wiki/Environment and Stacks/* 16:13:28 <abadger1999> mmaslano: We should also use categories. 16:13:44 <abadger1999> as categories have support in mediawiki (like the listing of all pages in the categories) 16:13:52 <mmaslano> #info and categories should use [[Category: Environment and Stacks]] 16:13:59 <mmaslano> abadger1999: feel free to mark it by yourself 16:14:12 <hhorak> maybe put a link to our homepage to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next 16:17:44 <mmaslano> #info put a link to our homepage to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next 16:17:49 <mmaslano> more comments to wiki? 16:19:21 <mmaslano> I understand no 16:19:29 <mmaslano> #topic PRD 16:19:41 <mmaslano> let's move what we want to do or should do in our group 16:20:07 <mmaslano> I asked nirik about Formulas - it's sort of dead project, so we can move to next topics :) 16:20:42 <mmaslano> he promised some summary about it, when he has time 16:20:55 <abadger1999> Formulas is good if someone wants to push it. Otherwise, there's no one to do the work. 16:21:05 * nirik subscribed but hasn't had time to send yet. will try today. 16:21:15 <mmaslano> nirik: thanks 16:21:21 <pkovar> what about stacks 2.0? 16:21:26 <abadger1999> AFAIK, there's no code. Just an idea about capabilities. 16:21:45 <hhorak> btw. Dev Assistant is a bit similar project to formulas, afaict... 16:22:08 <mmaslano> pkovar: jan is not here, but he told me he'd like to plan scl-utils-2.0 with bigger changes, maybe incompatible. Re-do what we did wrong 16:22:36 <pkovar> ok, sounds interesting 16:23:08 <abadger1999> hhorak: Looks to me like they differ in scope. 16:23:26 <abadger1999> hhorak: formulas could (theoretically) be the technology that enables DevAssistant. 16:23:39 <hhorak> what we can do even now is we can submit RFE bugs for scl-utils if anybody has some ideas for enhancements.. 16:23:42 <abadger1999> hhorak: but formulas would be more generic in scope. 16:24:17 <mmaslano> hhorak: yes, we'd like to do some planning meeting what Jan should do in next release 16:24:27 <abadger1999> Is there a timeframe? 16:24:29 <mmaslano> ideas are welcomed 16:24:37 <hhorak> abadger1999: thanks for explanation 16:24:44 <mmaslano> abadger1999: at Friday we will start :) 16:25:00 * abadger1999 thinks it could help with FPC if I could tell them -- identify things that can be changed in scls for scl2. 16:25:26 <abadger1999> takes some of the pressure off when you know that the next version won't have the rough edges that you found in the present one. 16:25:47 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I don't think we see same problems (packagers, fpc) 16:26:06 <mmaslano> abadger1999: could we post the plan on mailing list and comment on it? 16:26:13 <abadger1999> mmaslano: FPC is packagers. 16:26:14 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I guess we can put it on some public wiki 16:26:48 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I'm sorry, I ment scl heavy users has different issues than fpc 16:27:30 <abadger1999> mmaslano: To keep growing who is going to use scls the FPC issues should be addressed. 16:28:09 <mmaslano> abadger1999: as I said post your comments on env and stacks mailing list in short summary 16:28:20 <abadger1999> What comments? 16:28:43 <mmaslano> features? 16:28:48 <abadger1999> ? 16:28:55 <abadger1999> I don't understand the context. 16:29:06 <abadger1999> what do you want posted to the ml? 16:29:37 <mmaslano> abadger1999: you said "identify things that can be changed in scls for scl2". I'm saying ok, post list of those things on mailing list 16:29:43 <abadger1999> ah 16:30:29 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I think we probably need to reach out to the other FPC members. 16:31:01 <abadger1999> timeframe for knowing the requirements, ask if they can determine what issues exist with the current implementation by that time, etc. 16:31:38 <abadger1999> Alternately -- will there be an scls3? 16:32:43 <mmaslano> what should be there? 16:33:45 <abadger1999> Very likely. The problem is that right now there's only one large user of scls. As more people start using it for their purposes limitations and issues will crop up that will need to be addressed. 16:34:45 <drieden> It would be helpful to identify these use cases and add them to the prd. 16:34:46 <abadger1999> If scls2 is planned for, say 6 months from now... I don't think that enough people will be using it for fedora packages to identify most of the places where it makes things hard instead of easy for our use case. 16:35:37 <pkovar> drieden: +1. that could also help our documentation efforts 16:36:06 <abadger1999> drieden: Yep -- but I'm saying, it's too early to have identified those well. 16:36:18 <drieden> pkovar Yes, that sounds good. 16:36:43 <drieden> abadger1999 Yes, that makes sense too. You cannot see into the future. But if there are things we know of now, it would be helpful to document. 16:36:58 <abadger1999> We/everyone who works on an scls2 should put in the use cases they can think of but there's not enough of us/enough real scl creators to actually do a good job of that at the moment. 16:37:26 <abadger1999> That's why I'm saying, thinking about there being an scls3 would be a good idea. 16:37:53 <abadger1999> ie: we're thinking that this won't be the last opportunity to break compatibility and rethink the capabilities of hte tool. 16:38:02 <abadger1999> so we don't have to get scls2 perfect. 16:38:13 <abadger1999> it just has to be better than scls1 16:38:29 <abadger1999> Does that make sense 16:38:30 <abadger1999> ? 16:38:34 <pkovar> no software is perfect ;-) 16:38:38 <drieden> :) 16:39:03 <abadger1999> pkovar: <nod> yes. But sometimes we get (rightfully) more attached to stability and backwards compat than perfection. 16:39:09 <mmaslano> imho it's soon to discuss it 16:39:13 <abadger1999> For instance, rpm :-) 16:39:50 <tjanez> While I like the scls (whichever version :-)), I propose we take a step back and try to identify the "big picture" of our WG first. I think the "Charter" thread on the ML (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2013-November/0000…) was a good start but it died off last week... 16:40:10 <abadger1999> tjanez: +1 16:40:22 <sochotni> tjanez: indeed, not everything is about SCLs 16:40:29 <abadger1999> So one thing in the Charter discussion -- I do not think we should be treading on the FPC ground. 16:40:51 <abadger1999> And I also think we should be careful about creating Guidelines that we want people to follow here. 16:40:52 <drieden> tjanez +1. 16:41:26 <tjanez> abadger1999: Are you referring to my email? 16:41:32 <abadger1999> We should be coming up with guideline drafts here but they should be approved elsewhere. 16:41:43 <abadger1999> tjanez: I think mmaslano's mostly, but yours as well. 16:42:06 <mmaslano> tjanez: I agree with big picture :) 16:42:26 <tjanez> abadger1999, I agree with you and I think we should invent a way to cooperate with FPC 16:42:48 <tjanez> having you on-board makes it easy, though :-) 16:44:01 <tjanez> Well, I would like to iterate our discussion/ideas a little more 16:44:06 <abadger1999> Final discussion, redrafting, and approval of guidelines is something that does require a great deal of attention to precedent and attention to the big picture in Fedora. Whereas what we seem to be leaning towards is finding out both what does and doesn't work via experimentation with new technologies. 16:44:31 <abadger1999> tjanez: to some extent :-) But I'm only one committee member. 16:44:48 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I disagree if we use different repository for playing with new things, it could work 16:45:12 <mmaslano> anyway that's not about what WG will do 16:45:43 <tjanez> abadger1999, I mostly agree with you 16:45:47 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I disagree but when we talk about a different repository, I could see having other bodies like FPC that can do guideline redrafting and approval for that repo. 16:46:08 <tjanez> could we say than that our WG is moving faster and is not restricted so much with current guidelines/policies 16:46:14 <mmaslano> in my opinion it slows down development 16:46:27 <abadger1999> mmaslano: also -- a different repository could be a "wild west repository"... ie: (most) anything goes. 16:46:40 <mmaslano> abadger1999: what I understood from Fedora.next proposal, some WGs should have less strict policies or no policies 16:46:52 <abadger1999> and in that sort of repo, I wouldn't have a problem with no guidelines. 16:47:05 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I would be fine with wild west for images, scl2, ... 16:47:33 <tjanez> So our WG is like "incubation" of ideas 16:47:52 <tjanez> and good ideas are then re-iterated and formalized 16:47:53 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I saw that a little different -- we would have some "repositories" with less strict policies. But those weren't related to the WGs. 16:47:55 <mmaslano> tjanez: that's something to put in PRD :) 16:48:03 <abadger1999> mmaslano: Cool :-) 16:48:37 <abadger1999> mmaslano: So that might be something to put into our charter/prd -- one of the things we want to deliver is anything-goes repositories. 16:48:41 <mmaslano> tjanez: I asked Matt few weeks back, it shouldn't be PRD,because Env and STacks is not a real product. So starting with ideas should be ok 16:49:40 <tjanez> What we still have to do is at least somewhat define the terms environments and stacks 16:49:50 <tjanez> stacks will be easier, I think 16:50:01 <tjanez> since we all have some image of it 16:50:08 <drieden> mmaslano Is there a PRD template that we are supposed to use? 16:50:25 <tjanez> environments (from Matt slides) are not so clear, IMO 16:50:37 <mmaslano> drieden: no, I guess only Workstation has final version of PRD, but we had only list of areas/ideas 16:50:44 * abadger1999 notes -- to organize our thoughts it might be helpful to open a gobby doc. 16:51:00 <hhorak> tjanez: +1 defining the terms also seems essential to me 16:51:22 <tjanez> abadger1999: I haven't used gobby yet, but go ahead, teach us :-) 16:51:31 <drieden> mmaslano Ok. It might be good to have our outline of what we are going to put into the PRD and then focus on those areas. The terms is a great thing to have in the PRD. 16:51:43 <abadger1999> yum install gobby 16:52:36 <abadger1999> join session 16:52:44 <abadger1999> Host: gobby.fedoraproject.org 16:52:48 <abadger1999> Port: 6522 16:52:59 <abadger1999> Name: arbitrary to identify you 16:53:12 <abadger1999> It'll ask for a passwd 16:53:18 <mmaslano> drieden: I thought we should discuss items, which Matt mentioned here http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#24 16:53:27 <abadger1999> You can get that by doing: ssh fedorapeople.org cat /home/fedora/lmacken/gobby 16:53:47 <abadger1999> If you don't have access to fedorapeople/the ssh command doesn't work, I can PM it to you. 16:53:50 <mmaslano> drieden: and add some parts, which are needed by other WGs, like using containers 16:54:57 <drieden> mmaslano thanks, looking now. 16:56:27 <tjanez> Ok, I'm on gobby now 16:58:13 <abadger1999> tjanez: Cool. I started a doc:Env and Stacks Charter 16:58:34 <tjanez> abadger1999: Yea, I follow you typing live 16:59:18 <drieden> abadger1999 I am unable to get gobby I get permission denied. 16:59:42 <abadger1999> drieden: k. When trying to connect to gobby.fedoraproject.org? 16:59:48 <tjanez> mmaslano: Regarding our charter and Matt's slide 24, how much into details regarding the implementation details we want to go? 17:00:20 <mmaslano> tjanez: now, high level, abstract. 17:00:28 <mmaslano> tjanez: I don't we need details in Charter 17:00:51 <tjanez> mmaslano: Ok, thanks for clearing that up 17:00:56 <drieden> abadger1999 I can get to gobby.fedoraproject.org. Permission denied with ssh 17:01:31 <abadger1999> drieden: k. Private messaging you the gobby.fp.o password. 17:01:42 <tjanez> mmaslano: I'm also in favor of a high-level document 17:03:34 <abadger1999> Okay -- we don't all have access to the gobby package it seems. 17:03:41 <abadger1999> Maybe something like etherpad? 17:03:56 <samkottler> sorry, my TZ's are apparently totally messed up today :( 17:03:59 * abadger1999 figures out where public hosting of that kind of thing is 17:04:00 <mmaslano> etherpad would be fine, if we have some public instance 17:04:16 * abadger1999 found one -- setting up a doc 17:04:53 <abadger1999> http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR 17:05:07 <abadger1999> Okay, hopefully that works better for everyone. 17:05:27 <abadger1999> Sorry everyone that just got gobby set up :-) 17:07:38 <abadger1999> when I read about env and stacks in mattdm's document... it really seemed like two words to mean the same thing. 17:08:07 <abadger1999> "stacks of software to enable running/developing other software" 17:08:19 <abadger1999> "isolated environments to enable running/developing other software" 17:08:59 <mmaslano> no, see http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#18 17:09:08 <mmaslano> and http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#19 17:09:27 <mmaslano> but it's too cloud centric, we should think bigger :) 17:09:59 <mmaslano> samkottler: do you know where to put cartridges? http://piratepad.net/PwUiH4MEPR 17:10:07 <mmaslano> samkottler: and do you know everything about them? 17:10:40 <samkottler> mmaslano: I wouldn't say *everything* but yeah, I know mostly how they work :) 17:10:59 <samkottler> mmaslano: I think they fall into the environments group 17:11:00 <mmaslano> samkottler: I know a little. It's not clear to me what should we do with them 17:11:05 <samkottler> or in a third category 17:11:19 <samkottler> because they're kind of both the runtime and pull in the software 17:11:23 <samkottler> I would lean toward environments 17:12:01 <abadger1999> mmaslano: <nod> I can agree with the examples... I just don't know that the separation he makes between them really exists :-) 17:12:01 <mmaslano> samkottler: and how should they change or should they go into some repo, to make them available easier or what? 17:12:31 * abadger1999 is a little hesitant about "desktop environments" but is willing to see where something specific takes that first. 17:12:44 <samkottler> mmaslano: hmm they're expected to be git repos so it doesn't really make sense to package them IMO 17:12:56 <samkottler> although we could work with the openshift folks to figure out a sane way to package them up 17:13:00 <samkottler> which I imagine will be useful for them, too 17:13:17 <samkottler> abadger1999: yeah, we might end up stepping on some toes with that one 17:13:20 <mmaslano> samkottler: so that's probably the goal for cartridges 17:13:26 <hhorak> Having in mind a difference between env. and stacks in a modularity aspect (http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#17) then cartridges seem more like stacks to me 17:13:28 <abadger1999> samkottler: alternately -- the goal could be to eventually have a Fedora Cartridges git repo. 17:13:41 <abadger1999> ie: the git repos are the "packaging" 17:14:48 <samkottler> abadger1999: true, although I wonder if we're going to overlap too much with the work that the openshift team is doing 17:15:24 <tjanez> hhorak, +1, as I understand OpenShift Cartridges, they are more like stacks 17:15:42 <abadger1999> samkottler: I'm... not sure :-) I guess Fedora got its start as providing addon packages to RHL that had a known quality to them. 17:15:42 <tjanez> also, Matt put them under Stacks (http://mattdm.org/fedora/next/#19) 17:16:11 <abadger1999> samkottler: And having community (instead of 100% paid people) making and maintaining those packages. 17:16:21 <abadger1999> I could see a similar relationship with the openshift team. 17:16:22 <mmaslano> does it matter? stacks or environment? 17:16:32 <abadger1999> mmaslano: +1 to does not matter :-) 17:16:52 <samkottler> abadger1999: yeah, we should start that conversation with the openshift team, though 17:16:56 <abadger1999> <nod> 17:17:23 <abadger1999> samkottler: So... probably coordination with both inside Fedora Groups and outside Fedora groups is one of our responsibilities? 17:17:27 <samkottler> mmaslano: not really beyond semantics IMO 17:17:57 <abadger1999> (like -- coordinate with openshift team about guidelines and what we provide vs what they provide. Coordinate withh infra for being able to host a git repo for cartridges) 17:18:42 <samkottler> abadger1999: I'm not a huge fan of using fedorahosted for this, though 17:19:11 <abadger1999> samkottler: yeah, I.... am not sure fedorahosted is a good fit. 17:19:26 <abadger1999> samkottler: But wouldn't that be something we coordinate with infra? 17:19:48 <samkottler> abadger1999: yep, I just suspect that FH will be the first suggestion for where it should live :) 17:21:28 <abadger1999> Us: "We need git repos for hosting experimental openshift cartridges with the eventual goal of providing them similar to how we provide yum repositories". Infra: "We currently have git hosting via fedorahosted" Us: "Once we get to $Size or $Officialness or $Other we probably want something more that satisfies those needs better" 17:21:44 <abadger1999> Infra: "Okay, let's talk about budget and timeframe for that" 17:22:08 <abadger1999> samkottler: something like that is how I suspect it might go? Sound reasonable? 17:22:19 <samkottler> abadger1999: yep, WFM 17:27:36 * tjanez will have another meeting in 3 minutes 17:28:12 <mmaslano> abadger1999: I'm also leaving 17:28:19 <abadger1999> tjanez: Note -- we might want to implement the "definitely conflicts with pacaging guidelines" packages in a separate repo from the "experimental but aimed at eventually coming from the main fedora repos" 17:28:25 <abadger1999> as separate repositories. 17:28:31 <mmaslano> abadger1999: could you chair rest of the meeting or I can end meeting in few minutes 17:28:45 <abadger1999> mmaslano: I'm okay to end 17:29:04 <abadger1999> mmaslano: what do we want to do to continue the charter work this week? 17:29:37 <abadger1999> I can paste what we have into a wiki page. 17:29:59 <abadger1999> But people will need to add things to it if we expect it to see progress this week :-) 17:30:14 <tjanez> abadger1999: +1 regarding the eventually coming from the main Fedora repos 17:30:16 <mmaslano> abadger1999: we can continue on the piratepad, but please do backup :) 17:30:41 <abadger1999> mmaslano: Roger -- I'll copy to a wiki page after the meeting 17:31:11 <abadger1999> And set a reminder to check the piratepad later this week for updates. 17:31:54 <abadger1999> mmaslano: what should people do this week to move this forward? 17:32:37 <mmaslano> abadger1999: continue with proposal? 17:33:12 <abadger1999> mmaslano: Right :-) I mean -- what should people actually focus on doing? 17:33:55 <mmaslano> probably on their area of expertise :) which is bad because cartridges, containers, ... not so many people 17:34:34 <mmaslano> but they can add also their ideas from their area if it fits into big plan of WG 17:34:36 <abadger1999> Something like: "Everyone send one general thing they want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing list this week" 17:35:21 <mmaslano> abadger1999: +1 17:35:40 <hhorak> and all can start learning something about cartridges.. 17:36:58 <pkovar> sounds good to me 17:37:26 <abadger1999> Cool. 17:37:30 <drieden> sounds good to me too 17:37:43 <tjanez> abadger1999: +1 on making thing go forward 17:37:44 <abadger1999> #action everyone to send one general thing they want the WG to enable and one specific thing they'd personally want to work on to the mailing list this week 17:39:00 <abadger1999> we'll work on fitting those into the charter draft and maybe what we're going to actually start working on in January based on those. 17:41:10 <mmaslano> I'll close meeting in one minute 17:42:31 <hhorak> So, see you everyone! 17:42:38 <samkottler> cya! 17:42:49 <drieden> bye bye 17:42:51 <pkovar> bye 17:43:04 <mmaslano> #endmeeting

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2013-11-18 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20131118 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-11-25 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20131125. Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * "roshi to help out adamw with CommonsBugs page" - this was done, Common_F20_bugs[1] is now up to date for Beta * "roshi to file Final TC1 compose request" - this was also done[2], and TC1 was built TOPIC: Fedora 20 Final status ======================================================================= * tflink mentioned that the blocker tracking app would be updated 'in the next day or so'. The new version was already available for testing[3] * Several ARM images failed to compose for TC1 due to yumex dependency issue, adamw will try to ensure it's resolved for TC2 * There were still lots of gaps in the matrices from TC1 testing, we should aim to get as close to full coverage as we can with TC2 * TC2 request would likely be filed the day of the meeting TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * cmurf raised the question of whether we should lobby for changes to the 'support status' of LVM thinp and/or btrfs * We voted, and agreed that we would propose to anaconda team and/or fesco that anaconda and F20 marketing be modified to put LVM thinp in 'feature preview mode': the installer should hide it or warn that it is unsupported, and marketing materials should either leave it out or list it as a preview Action items ======================================================================= * jreznik to move forward with proposing switch to 'feature preview mode' for thinp * cmurf and kparal to discuss status of btrfs with anaconda team 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F20_bugs 2. https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5808 3. https://qa.stg.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Famsco meeting logs
by alejandro perez 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Meeting ended Mon Nov 18 17:19:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-11-18/famsco.2013-11… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-11-18/famsco.2013-11… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-11-18/famsco.2013-11…

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-11-15)
by Alick Zhao 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we talked about FUDCon bid progress, F20 Release Party, and L10N. Please review the proposed ideas and actions. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-11-22). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1]: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-11-15/fedora-zh.2013-11-15-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by alick at 13:00:37 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-11-15/fedora-zh.2013-11-15-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 报到 (alick, 13:00:57) * FUDCON APAC 2014 申办 (alick, 13:10:53) * ACTION: alick to email out the current version of planning document (alick, 13:14:35) * dongfengweixiao 提到北京联合大学可能可以提供免费场地 (alick, 13:18:06) * ACTION: dongfengweixiao contact Beijing Union Univ for more info (alick, 13:18:35) * ACTION: Li Zhenbo 完善一下 wiki 的 IRC meetings 条目 (endle, 13:19:19) * HELP: everyone to update the bid wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014 (alick, 13:27:03) * F20 Release Party (alick, 13:30:58) * fedora rel party 上海站日期初步定于12-22 (RobberPhex, 13:34:22) * kraks 会联系地大寻找 F20 relparty 北京站场地 (alick, 13:37:03) * ACTION: tonghuix to find possible bar for relparty beijing (alick, 13:55:17) * 中文翻译 (alick, 13:56:13) * LINK: https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora/language/zh_CN/?project=2060 (alick, 13:56:22) Meeting ended at 14:01:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick to email out the current version of planning document * dongfengweixiao contact Beijing Union Univ for more info * Li Zhenbo 完善一下 wiki 的 IRC meetings 条目 * tonghuix to find possible bar for relparty beijing Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick to email out the current version of planning document * tonghuix * tonghuix to find possible bar for relparty beijing * **UNASSIGNED** * dongfengweixiao contact Beijing Union Univ for more info * Li Zhenbo 完善一下 wiki 的 IRC meetings 条目 People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (55) * tonghuix (15) * endle (11) * RobberPhex (10) * violetzj (7) * zodbot (4) * BadGirl (4) * isyangxin (3) * biergaizi (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-11-14)
by Kevin Fenzi 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-11-14) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-14/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome everyone (nirik, 19:00:04) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:59) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:11:39) * coprs launch going well, 10GB of storage used so far. Next week SCL building hopefully. (nirik, 19:13:46) * new version of fedora-tagger landed in production today. some enhancements requested by community members. (threebean, 19:14:32) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger (threebean, 19:14:37) * pkgdb2 is up for testing at http://209.132.184.188/ feedback/bug reports/rfe welcome at https://github.com/fedora-infra/packagedb2/ (pingou, 19:14:44) * fedocal 0.3.0 tagged an deployed today (pingou, 19:15:14) * mailman3 work moving along. Hopefully ready for a prod instance before too long. (nirik, 19:32:01) * python-fedora release blocked by 2 issues. Help wanted to move it along. (nirik, 19:32:22) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:35:17) * fedocal moved to ansible today (nirik, 19:35:41) * outage next week (nirik, 19:36:35) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:40:53) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:40:54) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:42:06) Meeting ended at 19:54:24 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (93) * pingou (37) * threebean (24) * abompard (16) * anshprat (13) * wraeth (12) * docent (11) * abadger1999 (9) * mirek (9) * frankieonuonga (6) * jimikirk (5) * zodbot (4) * lmacken (4) * relrod (3) * ausmarton (1) * tflink (1) * puiterwijk (0) * smooge (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-11-14) 19:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 14 19:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:04 <nirik> #topic welcome everyone 19:00:04 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:33 * lmacken 19:00:36 <nirik> who alll is around for a infra meeting? 19:00:39 * pingou 19:00:41 * threebean is here 19:00:55 * ausmarton is here 19:01:15 * relrod is here but won't be for the entire meeting :( 19:01:17 * abompard is here 19:01:18 * mirek is here 19:01:28 * anshprat here 19:01:36 <pingou> relrod: we'll miss you :) 19:01:46 <frankieonuonga> where is relrod going ? 19:02:12 <relrod> pingou: Oh I'll be doing much more fun things like waiting for my mom while she has a doctor appointment ;) 19:02:32 <pingou> relrod: don't forget your phone/laptop/book ;-) 19:02:37 <relrod> yep :) 19:02:41 <pingou> relrod: and hope she does all right ;) 19:02:47 * wraeth is here and would like to introduce himself when appropriate 19:02:48 <frankieonuonga> wish you the best relrod 19:02:50 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in. 19:02:51 <pingou> (or alright, I never know which is which) 19:02:58 * frankieonuonga is here 19:02:59 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:03:13 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves? or apprentices with question/comments? 19:03:20 <nirik> wraeth: ? :) 19:03:25 <wraeth> hello people :) 19:03:41 <wraeth> I'm Sam (wraeth) - sent the intro email a couple of days ago 19:04:03 <wraeth> i'll just be lurking around while I get a feel for things if that's okay 19:04:29 <nirik> excellent. welcome! 19:04:41 <anshprat> askbot stg looking good 19:04:51 <nirik> it's absoletely fine... ask questions as they come to you. 19:04:53 <anshprat> am just closing on the login part 19:05:04 <wraeth> will do :) 19:05:08 <nirik> anshprat: great work. ;) the multlingual is still not working tho right? ;( 19:05:08 <jimikirk> I also like to introduce myself as an apperentice, My name is James (jimikirk) and I've been looking forward to contribute as a sys admin to fedora project 19:05:18 <anshprat> nirik: nope, another crash 19:05:41 <nirik> welcome jimikirk. 19:05:42 * abadger1999 sorta here... but mostly in fpc meeting 19:06:06 <jimikirk> nirik: thanks, first time here, hope I can help 19:06:07 <nirik> wraeth / jimikirk: you are both interested in the sysadmin side of things? or also application devel/coding/ 19:06:30 <anshprat> nirik: threebean: I am hitting the roads again for 10 days, so will update the bug, we should be good to release a package 19:06:43 <wraeth> i'm interested in coding, but only have experience in scripting - self taught VB long time ago, but want to learn C++ 19:06:44 <threebean> anshprat: safe travels! 19:06:45 <anshprat> echevemaster will mostly pick it up from the bug 19:06:50 <anshprat> threebean: thanks :) 19:07:02 <jimikirk> nirik: I have experience in python, perl, ruby and shell/awk/sed as well as C and C++ 19:07:17 <nirik> anshprat: sounds good. I hope we might be able to also get the theme setup for the update at the same time too. 19:07:25 <anshprat> jimikirk: wraeth: welcome aboard 19:07:55 <anshprat> nirik: alright.. 19:07:56 <nirik> wraeth / jimikirk: cool. See me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and I can set you up in our apprentice group... and see #fedora-apps for our application development/coding folks. 19:08:08 <jimikirk> anshprat: thanks, looking forward to be part of the community 19:08:25 <wraeth> nirik, anshprat: thanks and will do 19:08:47 <nirik> cool. Any other apprentice questions or new folks? if not, moving along... 19:08:49 <jimikirk> nirik: will do 19:09:05 * docent is a bit late ;) 19:09:12 <nirik> Hey docent. 19:09:15 <docent> I'm newcomer - hello guys :) 19:09:31 <docent> I sent my introduce msg yesterday 19:09:40 <nirik> docent: welcome! 19:09:53 <docent> I got some exp in RHELs envs, also use Feodra as my main desktop OS :) 19:09:54 <nirik> docent: are you more intested in sysadmin stuff? or application devel/coding? or both? 19:10:26 <docent> Both. I'm RHCE working full time for the last 12 years ;) I can code safely in Bash / Python / Perl 19:11:27 <nirik> docent: cool. See me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and I can set you up in our apprentice group... and see #fedora-apps for our application development/coding folks. 19:11:39 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:11:43 <threebean> fwiw, I already added docent to fi-apprentice this morning. 19:11:50 <nirik> threebean: excellent. thanks. 19:11:57 <mirek> Copr have credentials stored in private infra repo now. 19:11:58 <mirek> Copr got fedmsg certificate and emits messages to bus (thanks to ralph). 19:12:00 <mirek> Copr consumed 10 GB of storage so far, so current storage will last one year. Unless copr become more popular. 19:12:01 <mirek> Hopefully next week will land changes there, that will allow building of software collections there. 19:12:06 <docent> For now I'm looking into http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ so will be able to pick something for the beginning 19:12:12 <pingou> (for later: I have a remark regarding the wording on the introduction page) 19:12:29 <nirik> mirek: cool. ;) 19:12:35 <docent> threebean: not true - that was afternoon! ;) 19:12:42 <nirik> mirek: will be interesting to see how usage goes over time. 19:12:43 <threebean> docent: true, true! 19:13:06 <mirek> nirik: yes, I'm watching that closely 19:13:46 <nirik> #info coprs launch going well, 10GB of storage used so far. Next week SCL building hopefully. 19:13:46 <pingou> mirek: I wonder if we would be interested in a /stats page w/ the number of users, repo, copr 19:14:32 <threebean> #info new version of fedora-tagger landed in production today. some enhancements requested by community members. 19:14:32 <mirek> pingou: I would be, but this is just "nice-to-have" and there is long list "we-need-this" 19:14:37 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger 19:14:44 <pingou> #info pkgdb2 is up for testing at http://209.132.184.188/ feedback/bug reports/rfe welcome at https://github.com/fedora-infra/packagedb2/ 19:14:52 <pingou> mirek: ok 19:15:00 <nirik> threebean: is there a concise changelog/news ? 19:15:05 <mirek> but i plan to do some health status api call, so we can integrate it with status.fedoraproject.org 19:15:07 <nirik> pingou: have you had much feedback yet? 19:15:14 <pingou> #info fedocal 0.3.0 tagged an deployed today 19:15:22 <threebean> nirik: not readily availble. I can blog that if you think it'd be useful. 19:15:23 <pingou> nirik: I got a couple of bug report and RFE yes 19:16:07 <pingou> one of the bug report had to do w/ the db, took me the whole day to re convert pkgdb1 to pkgdb2 correctly, update and the bug flew away :) 19:16:13 <nirik> threebean: well, if they aren't a big deal not worth it, but if it's worth letting a wider audience know... 19:16:43 <threebean> nirik: cool, I'll give it a look over. 19:16:58 <nirik> hurray on fedocal. ;) 19:17:22 * nirik wonders if we should capture all those updates/changes and push one email/blog post with changes this week... or just do them per app. 19:17:23 <pingou> there has been many many bugfixes that kparal found and reported! 19:17:26 * frankieonuonga has to go. 19:17:44 <nirik> no problem, thanks for coming frankieonuonga 19:17:47 * frankieonuonga will catch the meeting logs 19:17:49 <pingou> I'll probably announce fedocal 0.3.0 as I did last time, but tomorrow :] 19:17:53 <frankieonuonga> thanks nirik 19:18:28 <nirik> so, we have a pretty short unfrozen window... 19:18:37 <nirik> any other plans for things to roll out before next freeze? 19:18:45 <lmacken> I'm going to roll out a new bodhi today, at least to the mashers 19:18:52 <nirik> as always, I'd love to see hotfix numbers go down. ;) 19:19:00 <lmacken> I don't think we'll need to update bodhi on any of the app servers during this window 19:19:03 <nirik> lmacken: cool. 19:19:17 <tflink> we're planning to update blockerbugs production next week 19:19:47 <nirik> tflink: cool. 19:20:44 <nirik> lmacken: reminds me... I don't recall if I filed a bug on this or not... 19:20:57 <nirik> bodhi doesn't seem to always remove tags from builds when someone deletes an update. 19:21:35 <lmacken> nirik: hm, I'll have a look 19:21:57 <nirik> ok. I might have failed to file it, but it's hit me a number of times. ;( 19:22:03 <nirik> ok, any other applications news? 19:22:38 <abompard> nirik: maybe a quick HyperKitty update? 19:22:41 <abadger1999> mm... /me is reminded he needs to make a python-fedora hotfix for the app servers. 19:22:57 <nirik> abompard: please... ;) 19:23:03 <nirik> abadger1999: can we just do a release? ;) 19:23:08 <abompard> it'll be quick: I've been working on the front page redesign that mizmo has mocked up 19:23:13 <abadger1999> nirik: still blocked on two issues. 19:23:26 <abompard> and fixing a few selinux-related bugs on the staging server 19:23:40 <abadger1999> we could revert the present otp code. that would unblock one thing. 19:23:59 <abadger1999> the other isn't a regression so we could roll out a release without fixing it. 19:24:01 <nirik> abompard: cool. What are next steps? 19:24:03 <abompard> it's not pushed yet because I depend on a pull request from her, but it'll be merged soon 19:24:17 <nirik> abompard: ok. 19:24:26 <abompard> when I can merge it I'll push my changes, update the staging server, and make sure it all works 19:25:12 <nirik> ok. 19:25:23 <threebean> abompard: can you give me a ping when you do? I'd like to take another stab at fedmsg there after the next push. 19:25:25 <nirik> abadger1999: well, hopefully we get unblocked at some point. ;( 19:25:36 <abompard> oh by the way, that's more for threebean but if you send an email to a list on the staging server, the actual subscribers have been imported, so it will be distributed to them... 19:25:49 <threebean> abompard: hooray :P 19:26:08 <abompard> threebean: yeah :-) so better not run tests with devel(a)lists.fp.o 19:26:08 <abadger1999> nirik: yeah... seems like we need one more pair of hands to get anywhere. 19:26:28 <nirik> which reminds me that we are going to have to put on our thinking caps when we make a prod mailman3 19:26:44 <abompard> yup. 19:27:36 <abompard> nirik: I'd say make sure all emails sent from this machine go to /dev/null, then add it to the email alias for the regular list 19:27:48 <abompard> and see how it goes 19:28:00 <pingou> threebean: we need also to seat and have a look at fedocal, I'm not sure it's sending msg yet (or we didn't ask him to send msg in places I thought we did) 19:28:03 <nirik> well, the problem is... lists.fedoraproject.org already is mailman2 19:28:27 <nirik> so we need to make it something else or figure some clever way to only redirect part of it/part emails 19:28:44 <abompard> nirik: can't we send the received messages to both mailman2 and the new mailman3 on stg? 19:29:47 <nirik> when we are ready to roll this out for production use we need to make a production instance. we don't want to reuse our staging in production, thats bad form. 19:29:54 <abompard> Oh well, we'll discuss it then. It'll be fun! 19:30:02 <abompard> nirik: true 19:30:03 <nirik> yeah, I'm sure we can work something out. 19:30:28 <abompard> OK that's all for HK 19:30:34 <nirik> I was thinking the prod one would start empty, then as we move lists over to it we migrate them one by one (starting with just a few at first to work out bugs) 19:30:46 <abompard> nirik: yeah, I like that 19:30:57 <nirik> but we might have to call it 'newlists' or something. 19:31:18 <threebean> pingou: sure thing.. I've added the task. 19:31:25 <pingou> \ó/ 19:31:32 <abadger1999> threebean and pingou were talking about schedule for fedmsg-notification and pkgdb2 this morning :-) 19:31:48 <pingou> we were? 19:31:48 <threebean> oh, that's right. 19:31:54 <threebean> fedmsg-notifications due in staging mid december. 19:32:01 <nirik> #info mailman3 work moving along. Hopefully ready for a prod instance before too long. 19:32:11 <pingou> threebean: what was the hashtag you used earlier again ? :) 19:32:22 <nirik> #info python-fedora release blocked by 2 issues. Help wanted to move it along. 19:32:45 <pingou> more seriously, the idea is to use fedmsg-notification to do pkgdb2's notifications 19:32:58 <pingou> which spare me/us from having notifications w/in pkgdb2 19:33:14 * threebean nods 19:33:25 <threebean> and we're aiming for pkgdb2 to land shortly after the f20 final release in 2014. 19:33:46 <nirik> yeah, I am looking forward to fedmsg-notifications. I think it will be mucho cool. 19:33:47 <pingou> same time frame for fedmsg-notification in prod 19:34:04 <nirik> and might help us drop a bunch of other stuff from other apps too. 19:34:11 <threebean> over time, yes. 19:34:16 <nirik> yeah. 19:34:25 <threebean> badges never grew its own email code in anticipation ;p 19:35:02 <nirik> right. 19:35:07 <pingou> \ó/ 19:35:08 <nirik> ok, anything else app wise? 19:35:17 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:35:24 <pingou> fedocal is moved to ansible :) 19:35:29 <threebean> awesome 19:35:32 <nirik> so, I'm planning an outage next week... 2013-11-20 19:35:34 <threebean> I didn't realize that was already done. 19:35:41 <nirik> #info fedocal moved to ansible today 19:36:35 <nirik> #info outage next week 19:36:47 <nirik> want to roll up updates and also resize db01's disk 19:37:47 <nirik> since we are out of freeze I have been trying to apply all the piled up stuff from freeze time. 19:37:55 <nirik> there's still a bit more, but getting there. 19:38:11 <nirik> If there is anything someone didn't do due to freeze, do look back and see if it can be rolled out now. 19:38:45 * abadger1999 needs to check if nirik's httpd log change fixed fasClient runs 19:38:55 <nirik> abadger1999: it did. ;) 19:38:59 <abadger1999> Yay! 19:40:06 <nirik> I also am likely going to check rdiff-backup's a final time and then disable bacula. 19:40:53 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:40:54 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:41:04 <nirik> anything upcoming anyone would like to schedule or note? 19:41:48 <threebean> nothing here, other than the new fedmsg-notifications and pkgdb2 due dates. 19:42:01 <nirik> cool. 19:42:06 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:42:21 <nirik> anyone have any items for open floor? anything to suggest/discuss? 19:43:07 <pingou> oh yes 19:43:15 <pingou> in the front page for newcomers 19:43:26 <pingou> we ask, what's they background basically 19:43:48 <pingou> but I wonder if it doesn't make people believe that since we know what they are capable of doing 19:43:53 <pingou> we will assign tasks 19:44:00 <nirik> perhaps. 19:44:19 <pingou> so I wonder if maybe we should phrase something on how we are working 19:44:20 <nirik> I think one of the biggest problems we have for new folks is that they do expect to be assigned things. ;) 19:44:32 <nirik> and we are much more 'self motivating' 19:44:36 <pingou> yes 19:44:44 <docent> Yes, we could think about that like this ;) 19:45:08 <pingou> docent: you made me realize this a little earlier 19:45:16 <nirik> we could move to a more mentor driven setup, but sadly, most of us are very busy for that... 19:45:20 <wraeth> nirik, pingou: it could sound like that, i guess, but i felt it was more a case of "what are you capable of now, and what do you want to do later" 19:45:56 <docent> Although I found somewhere note saying that If one wants to startin contributing he could check the easyfix and comment in issues he's interested in 19:45:57 <nirik> ideally shorter term we would have more easyfix tickets... it's hard to come up with good ones all the time tho 19:46:00 * anshprat agrees that folks expect assignments 19:46:01 <pingou> nirik: it would be easier to mentor if they know when they arrive what they want to work on :) 19:46:29 <nirik> pingou: sure, but often folks do not even know what all we have in place to work on. ;) 19:46:39 <pingou> that's true :) 19:46:50 <threebean> yup 19:47:30 <nirik> it's not an easy problem. ;( 19:47:42 <pingou> just food for thought, maybe tomorrow I'll see if I can change a little the wiki page and send the changes for review on the list 19:47:59 <wraeth> one possibility is task/infrastructre related introductions - an overview of what the infrastructure team encompasses what sorts of tasks are involved with them...? 19:48:09 * threebean nods 19:48:55 <pingou> good idea :) 19:49:00 <wraeth> there's a pretty comprehensive of the networking setup, but most of the rest is kind of left to interpretation, from what i could tell so far 19:49:10 <wraeth> *comprehensive introduction 19:49:25 <nirik> yeah, it's hard to think of everything tho. ;) 19:49:32 <wraeth> true :) 19:49:42 <anshprat> documentation is always a royal pain in the wrong place :) 19:50:00 <docent> Hmm honestly at the beginning I was little lost, but in the end I finished at http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ and knew that I could pick something from there, so I'm not sure it thsis is that big issue. I mean - there is really good explanation on Your wikis how to proceed, how to go on with things. 19:50:09 <nirik> one thought I had a while back was to try and do some monthly 'intro' class thing.... have apprentices attend and present on various things we do. 19:50:25 <docent> All I had to do was to read those: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 19:50:31 <anshprat> +1 to classroom 19:50:32 <nirik> yeah. 19:50:49 <pingou> nirik: we have a nice couple of movie of threebean :) 19:50:54 <pingou> movies* 19:50:57 <anshprat> and I volunteer for a session ;) 19:51:02 <nirik> yeah, true. we should link those in getting started. 19:51:13 <threebean> never got the last sysadmin-y one made. 19:51:26 <threebean> frankieo I think said he was going to work on it. 19:51:39 <nirik> ah yeah, thats right. 19:52:30 <nirik> ok, I guess we should close out unless there's some further action item on this we can do? 19:53:04 * mirek would welcome sessions too 19:54:14 <nirik> yeah, I'll look into that more perhaps then. ;) 19:54:22 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 19:54:24 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-11-14 17:00 - 19:10 UTC)
by James Antill 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 17:00:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-11-14/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (abadger1999, 17:00:41) * #339 software collections in Fedora (abadger1999, 17:03:44) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 (abadger1999, 17:03:49) * #352 BLAS and LAPACK packaging (abadger1999, 17:10:14) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/352 (abadger1999, 17:10:19) * Approved (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) FPC favors using environment modules for this as it seems to avoid the problem of applications which might want to link to one blas implementation but a dependent library is linked to another. If someone would present us with a draft based on that we'll be happy to review and vote on it. (abadger1999, 17:25:01) * #355 How to package noarch packages which require a binary dependency which doesn't build on all archs? (abadger1999, 17:25:24) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/355 (abadger1999, 17:25:29) * Noarch_with_unported_dependencies minus the paragraph specifying the fail-and-resubmit option passed (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:47:53) * #357 time-api prior to openJDK8 (abadger1999, 17:48:08) * 365 New virtual Provides for javax time-api (abadger1999, 17:51:31) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/365 (abadger1999, 17:51:36) * virtual provides for java8's time api granted (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 17:53:09) * 366 Should we hand enabling third party repositories back to fesco? (abadger1999, 17:53:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/366 (abadger1999, 17:54:03) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/671 (abadger1999, 17:56:37) * LINK: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-packaging/2006-October/msg00132.html (abadger1999, 17:57:40) * LINK: http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-extras/msg30902.html (tibbs|w, 18:01:24) * Proposal (See ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/366#comment:1) Is currently (+1:4, 0:1, -1:0) will ask for more votes in ticket. (abadger1999, 18:55:04) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 18:55:12) * #363 exception for bundled library libntirpc in nfs-ganesha (abadger1999, 18:56:22) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/363 (abadger1999, 18:56:32) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 19:01:23) * #362 lpf should not be allowed in Fedora (abadger1999, 19:02:15) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/362 (abadger1999, 19:02:20) * lpf is okay for Fedora, lpf-* packages should move to a more appropriate repo Needs more votes: (+1:3, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 19:07:41) * 363 exception for bundled library libntirpc in nfs-ganesha (abadger1999, 19:07:59) * Temporary bundling exception for libntirpc in nfs-ganesha until after Fedora 23 -- need more votes in ticket (+1:4, 0:0, -1:0) (abadger1999, 19:10:24) * Open Floor (abadger1999, 19:10:44) Meeting ended at 19:11:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (182) * geppetto (68) * spot (57) * tibbs|w (48) * limburgher (47) * jwb (28) * RemiFedora (28) * Rathann (15) * zodbot (8) * kkeithley_ (8) * leamas (8) * racor (7) * nirik (3) * sgallagh (1) * gholms (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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