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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-29)
by Alick Zhao 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about plans for offline gather up in April, FUDCon APAC 2014 bid, FPWiki Zh pages clean up, and L10N status. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-04-05). Please come and join the discussion if you can! Note the beginning time of the meeting has been changed to 21:00(UTC+8). 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-29/fedora-zh.2013-03-29-… ============================================= #fedora-zh: Fedora Chinese Meeting 2013-03-29 ============================================= Meeting started by alick at 13:04:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-29/fedora-zh.2013-03-29-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 13:04:56) * 四月线下活动征集 (alick, 13:11:22) * IDEA: 非一线城市可以考虑和当地 LUG 等组织联合活动 (alick, 13:15:04) * IDEA: 考虑办次以 Linux 安全为主题的线下活动 (alick, 13:25:45) * FUDCON APAC 2014 举办申请 (alick, 13:26:27) * LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/chinese/2013-March/012721.html (alick, 13:27:44) * LINK: http://www.weibo.com/lsh511744?from=profile&wvr=5&loc=infdomain (alick, 13:29:28) * ACTION: alick to talk about the deadline of bid proposal in ML (alick, 13:39:05) * FPWiki Zh 页面的整理更新 (alick, 13:44:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zh/zh-cn (alick, 13:44:44) * HELP: FPWiki Zh/ 页面需更新 (alick, 13:48:42) * 中文翻译 (alick, 13:49:24) * LINK: https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-main/l/zh_CN/ (alick, 13:55:48) * Fedora 19 软件翻译阶段 2013-03-19 到 2013-04-23 (alick, 13:56:31) Meeting ended at 14:03:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick to talk about the deadline of bid proposal in ML Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick to talk about the deadline of bid proposal in ML * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (77) * zsun (24) * zodbot (7) * BadGirl (6) * Robin_cheese_Lee (5) * tiansworld (5) * microcai (5) * chengshiding (5) * diseng (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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i18n meeting summary (2013-03-28)
by Akira TAGOH 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:09 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-28/i18n.2013-03-28-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:03:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-28 (tagoh_, 06:03:10) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:09:08) * 2013-04-02 Software String Freeze (tagoh_, 06:09:08) * 2013-04-02 Alpha Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:09:09) * 2013-04-11 Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n) (tagoh_, 06:09:09) * 2013-04-16 Alpha Release (tagoh_, 06:09:09) * Outstanding topic (tagoh_, 06:14:11) * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:14:11) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16 (tagoh_, 06:14:11) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n) (tagoh_, 06:15:09) * ACTION: dueno to create a draft test case for ibus-hangul (tagoh_, 06:20:25) * ACTION: epico to create a draft test case for zh-TW (tagoh_, 06:22:20) * #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:25:47) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18 (tagoh_, 06:25:47) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat (tagoh_, 06:25:55) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:30:50) * LINK: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/tree/protocol/input-method.xml (epico, 06:36:05) Meeting ended at 06:43:32 UTC. Action Items ------------ * dueno to create a draft test case for ibus-hangul * epico to create a draft test case for zh-TW Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dueno * dueno to create a draft test case for ibus-hangul * epico * epico to create a draft test case for zh-TW * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (58) * epico (9) * juhp (8) * mfabian (6) * zodbot (4) * dueno (2) * paragan (1) * pravins (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-03-28)
by Kevin Fenzi 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-03-28) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-28/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:16) * LINK: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/cgit (skvidal, 19:07:03) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:09:01) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube ! (lmacken, 19:09:35) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:27:07) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:30:38) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:33:28) * 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update (nirik, 19:33:38) * 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. (nirik, 19:33:38) * 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:33:38) * 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid (nirik, 19:33:38) * 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release (nirik, 19:33:39) * 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:33:40) * 2013-05-21 F19 beta release (nirik, 19:33:41) * 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter (nirik, 19:33:42) * 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. (nirik, 19:33:44) * 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release (nirik, 19:33:46) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:40:47) * 2013-04-04 Send email to folks who have been using legacy-openid to notify about sunset (puiterwijk, 19:40:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraBugzilla (skvidal, 19:51:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraHosted_Version2_Notes (skvidal, 19:51:46) Meeting ended at 20:00:28 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (115) * skvidal (74) * puiterwijk (29) * herlo (22) * abadger1999 (19) * lmacken (15) * threebean (10) * biker (10) * dgilmore (9) * frankly3d (8) * linuxmania (7) * cyberworm54 (5) * zodbot (4) * jerzyr (4) * tflink (2) * kalev (2) * relrod (1) * smooge (1) * fchiulli (1) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-03-28) 19:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 28 19:00:00 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:15 * relrod here, sort of 19:00:16 * puiterwijk is around 19:00:30 * skvidal is here 19:00:43 * lmacken lurking 19:00:49 <frankly3d> here 19:00:55 <fchiulli> fchiulli is listening 19:01:16 <nirik> morning everyone. will wait another min for folks to wander in before starting. 19:01:35 * threebean is here 19:01:49 * herlo is here 19:02:16 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:02:25 <nirik> any new folks? or apprentices with questions? 19:02:35 <frankly3d> How do you know where to go, if looking for freemedia, do you chance hosted0* hosted1* . Looked here but no signpost per say 19:02:51 <frankly3d> Duh: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/ 19:03:48 * dgilmore is here 19:03:49 <skvidal> frankly3d: go for what? 19:03:52 <nirik> well, depends on for what. ;) 19:03:54 <skvidal> hosted is all on hosted02 19:03:58 <skvidal> (for example) 19:04:13 <frankly3d> The backend for the trac? 19:04:21 <nirik> yeah, that would be on hosted02... 19:04:53 <skvidal> frankly3d: what were you wondering about in trac? 19:04:56 <nirik> it somewhat depends on what you are trying to look at or change... 19:05:10 <frankly3d> trac.ini 19:05:11 <nirik> trac is on there... as well as git repos. 19:05:38 <frankly3d> how large is infra git? 19:05:38 <nirik> frankly3d: would be under /srv/web/trac/projects/ 19:06:00 <nirik> git repos are under /srv/git/ I don't think the infra one is all that big, dunno off hand. 19:06:21 <puiterwijk> most of infra stuff is not actually on hosted though. most is on lockbox in /git 19:06:51 <skvidal> puiterwijk: and the public git repos are available via cgit and git:// 19:07:02 <puiterwijk> skvidal: ah ok 19:07:03 <skvidal> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/cgit 19:07:09 <puiterwijk> yeah, indeed 19:07:13 * herlo lubs cgit 19:07:19 <nirik> frankly3d: does that help? happy to answer more questions in #fedora-admin after the meeting... :) 19:07:22 <puiterwijk> but just wanted to note that hosted02 doesn't contain most infra git repo stuff 19:07:27 <skvidal> I'd love it more if it didn't get its cache hosed from time to time 19:07:41 <frankly3d> Yes, I'll have more when I get lost. 19:07:55 <puiterwijk> skvidal: I have added a cron that fixes that, right? or are there more broken ones? 19:08:02 <nirik> happy to help direct you. Or others will if I'm not around. ;) 19:08:17 <nirik> ok, any other new folks or questions? 19:08:19 <skvidal> puiterwijk: which cron job is this? on hosted or on lockbox? 19:08:28 <puiterwijk> skvidal: on hosted 19:08:34 <skvidal> puiterwijk: sure 19:08:40 <puiterwijk> could move it also to lockbox with your permission/request? 19:08:49 <skvidal> puiterwijk: let's talk about this outside of this meeting 19:08:56 <puiterwijk> sure 19:09:01 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:09:10 <nirik> any application news or plans to discuss? 19:09:35 <lmacken> https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube ! 19:09:47 <lmacken> we need help writing more tests 19:09:51 <threebean> :P 19:10:02 <nirik> ah yes, I need to play with that some more. ;) Very nice work tho! 19:10:10 <lmacken> and eventually hooking it up to status.fp.o :) 19:10:46 <nirik> hum, not sure how that would work out... 19:11:34 <nirik> although another thought occurs to me: could we have it send in fedmsg when it runs tests? then we could have something that says "user foo ran rube and saw failed for test bar" and we know to look or retest or ask them if they need help? 19:11:51 <threebean> hm, the original idea was just to run it by hand. but with that x virtual frame buffer stuff we could potentially turn it into a nagios check or something like that 19:12:01 <lmacken> not outside of infra... but if we run it within jenkins, it could potentially fire off messages 19:12:25 <nirik> lots of possibilities. ;) 19:12:40 <lmacken> indeed :) 19:13:14 <nirik> cool. 19:13:21 <threebean> hey, so pingou has been hacking on a new interface to fedora-tagger -> http://blog.pingoured.fr/index.php?post/2013/03/27/GNOME-tagger 19:13:41 <nirik> I'll note that tomorrow is a holiday for many, and next tuesday we enter into alpha freeze, so do look at any changes you would like to get in before then... 19:14:26 <threebean> he (re)wrote the json api in the process and it feels really solid - much more solid than it was. 19:14:29 <nirik> ah ha. Nice! 19:14:42 <abadger1999> I'm going to try to push an alpha of python-fedora to infra... alpha because I'm not satisfied with the api we're trying to implement for otp yet. 19:14:58 <threebean> I'm still playing catch-up to update the existing js frontend to use his api, but it's coming along. 19:15:04 <lmacken> abadger1999: will that have python3 support? :) 19:15:23 <lmacken> threebean, pingou: gnome-tagger looks schweet 19:15:40 <kalev> probably not the best time and place to say this, but ... I have a trivial patch I'd like to get in to Bodhi: https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/708 19:16:00 <abadger1999> lmacken: python3 python-fedora doesn't make much sense right now.... there's too much that it depends on that is python2 only (like TG1) 19:16:11 <nirik> kalev: no worries. :) it's an ok time to chime in... 19:16:13 <abadger1999> lmacken: are you thinking of kitchen? 19:16:19 <lmacken> kalev: cool, I'll have a look at that tonight 19:16:26 <kalev> lmacken: awesome, thanks! 19:16:36 <lmacken> abadger1999: ah yes, kitchen. and python-fedora at some point though 19:16:58 <abadger1999> lmacken: yeah, kitchen: if that worked out for you -- it should still just need documentation updates. 19:17:13 <abadger1999> lmacken: python-fedora.... big lot of other things that need to go python3 first or... 19:17:21 <abadger1999> Port all of our stuff off of TG1 19:18:00 <linuxmania> hi guys 19:18:02 <threebean> on the kitchen->py3 port, I lifted a finger on the docs but didn't get much further: https://github.com/fedora-infra/kitchen/commits/feature/py3-finalize 19:18:02 * lmacken nods 19:18:03 <linuxmania> i am late. 19:18:50 <nirik> linuxmania: no worries. ;) 19:19:07 <linuxmania> nirik, nice to see you again! 19:19:31 <abadger1999> threebean: Cool. 19:19:31 <nirik> ok, any other application news? or shall we move on? 19:19:39 <linuxmania> what are we talking about now? 19:19:50 <abadger1999> threebean: maybe that would be something we could have a vfad about. 19:20:23 <skvidal> abadger1999: given the reply to my email about vfads 19:20:26 <herlo> linuxmania: /topic 19:20:27 <skvidal> abadger1999: I suspect that won't ever happen 19:20:28 <abadger1999> threebean: Really the two things it takes are -- 1) time without outside distractions and 2) people to write the docs and test the advice under python3 19:20:45 * threebean nods 19:21:53 <linuxmania> herlo, thanks i see. 19:22:07 <herlo> :) 19:22:43 <puiterwijk> oh, a last app thing: I split the authentication part from FAS-OpenID, so that it is less strictly tied to FAS, and more pluggable 19:22:55 <puiterwijk> and I am currently working on a BrowserID implementation 19:23:05 <puiterwijk> (for FAS-OpenID) 19:23:17 <nirik> that will be nice I think... 19:23:24 <jerzyr> yes 19:23:27 <nirik> no idea how much traction it will get overall, but nice to support it. 19:23:45 <linuxmania> herlo, so how should I starting reading the code and programming? 19:24:06 <abadger1999> puiterwijk: is browserid the same as mozilla persona or different? 19:24:11 <lmacken> same 19:24:13 <herlo> linuxmania: let's address those in #fedora-admin if you like 19:24:15 * lmacken learned that today :) 19:24:29 <nirik> abadger1999: same thing... browserid is the low level protocol, persona is the implementation (I think) 19:24:43 <linuxmania> herlo, OK. 19:24:54 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: persona is Mozilla's implementation of BrowserID 19:24:54 <abadger1999> puiterwijk: cool. At pycon I met a mozilla guy, dan callahan that would be happy to talk about it if you need any input. 19:24:55 <herlo> lmacken: isn't that TIL :) 19:24:56 * lmacken listening to @lxt from mozilla give a talk right now, and sitting next to one of the guys who admid'd browserid 19:25:14 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: ah cool, could you give me his email or IRC handle? 19:25:28 <nirik> we can also test with hyperkitty, which supports logging in via it. 19:25:33 <abadger1999> puiterwijk: yep. I'll dig it out and get it to you in a pm 19:25:34 <lmacken> herlo: indeed :) 19:25:39 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: thanks :) 19:26:44 <nirik> cool. Related to that we are testing trac openid on trac instances... hopefully to move to it there soon. 19:27:04 <puiterwijk> nirik: wanted to note that in sysadmin part :) 19:27:07 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:27:09 <nirik> cool. Related to that we are testing trac openid on trac instances... hopefully to move to it there soon. 19:27:11 <nirik> :) 19:27:13 <puiterwijk> heh 19:27:14 <puiterwijk> :) 19:27:25 <puiterwijk> it is currently live on the infra trac 19:27:28 <nirik> this will allow us to get rid of mod_auth_pg 19:27:33 <nirik> (at least there) 19:27:50 <skvidal> \o/ 19:27:53 <skvidal> | 19:27:54 <nirik> Lets see... in other sysadmin news... 19:28:04 <puiterwijk> skvidal: cool one! :) 19:28:15 * skvidal is happy that mod_auth_pg can go away 19:28:23 <nirik> we have budget numbers for the coming year, smooge and I are poking at them to see what we can/cannot do based on what we wanted to do, etc. 19:28:47 <skvidal> what systems are phasing out this year? 19:28:54 <nirik> There's been some net issues of late... possibly related to that big DOS going on. 19:29:31 <nirik> skvidal: dunno. I think we hope to renew most of them... we will be replacing some tho 19:30:07 <nirik> anything else from the sysadmin side of things? 19:30:22 <smooge> skvidal, I can give you an estimated list in a short while 19:30:30 <skvidal> nirik: cool, thx 19:30:38 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:30:42 <nirik> any cloudy news? 19:30:50 <skvidal> migrated over to openstack entirely 19:30:53 <biker> hey all 19:31:05 <nirik> skvidal: cool. ;) 19:31:10 <skvidal> and next week we can start taking a couple more compute nodes to add to the openstack cluster 19:31:12 <nirik> morning biker 19:31:21 <skvidal> nirik: we can also take the most of the rest of the ips if we want 19:31:22 <nirik> skvidal: sounds good. 19:31:31 <skvidal> nirik: I think we should keep a small subset out 19:31:33 <skvidal> and 2 machines 19:31:36 <nirik> oh yeah, not sure how easy it will be to add to the floating net, but we can look at it. 19:31:38 <skvidal> so we can test out new layouts 19:31:42 <nirik> yep. agreed. 19:31:46 <skvidal> nirik: if we can add a second range 19:31:48 <skvidal> of floating ips 19:31:55 <skvidal> which I _THINK_ is possible 19:31:59 <skvidal> then we could add a /64 there 19:32:04 <nirik> I think adding is possible, but editing existing was a pain last time I tried 19:32:39 <skvidal> nirik: then let's tack on 64 or so ips 19:33:00 <nirik> sure, we can poke at it and see how best to add them 19:33:12 <skvidal> no other cloudy news I can think o 19:33:22 * nirik neither. 19:33:28 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:33:38 <nirik> #info 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update 19:33:38 <nirik> #info 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. 19:33:38 <nirik> #info 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze 19:33:38 <nirik> #info 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid 19:33:39 <nirik> #info 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release 19:33:40 <nirik> #info 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze 19:33:41 <nirik> #info 2013-05-21 F19 beta release 19:33:42 <nirik> #info 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter 19:33:44 <nirik> #info 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. 19:33:46 <nirik> #info 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release 19:33:48 <nirik> I don't know what the status of that koji update is. ;( 19:33:55 <nirik> we should ping mattdm and see whats going on. 19:34:02 <skvidal> nirik: it must be finished ;) 19:34:09 <skvidal> mattdm on koji? 19:34:19 <nirik> well, this is to add the cloud image support stuff. 19:34:22 <skvidal> oh 19:34:24 <skvidal> I see 19:34:30 <nirik> I guess we could also just ask upstream koji folks the status. 19:34:34 <skvidal> nod 19:34:37 <nirik> dgilmore might have heard something. 19:34:47 <dgilmore> there was some testing going on 19:34:51 <dgilmore> but its not done 19:35:14 <nirik> is it gonna make it before tuesday? 19:35:48 <nirik> I guess we could do a freeze break for the update, but I would sure prefer not to. ;) 19:36:27 <nirik> also, everyone note that tomorrow is at least a RH holiday, so don't expect lots of people around working on things. 19:36:50 <dgilmore> nirik: no idea 19:37:00 <nirik> ok. 19:37:09 <dgilmore> i know oz has friday and monday off 19:37:10 <nirik> anything else anyone would like to schedule or note? 19:37:41 <skvidal> dgilmore: so we're switching to an img creator that takes money and fridays off?! 19:37:49 <skvidal> oh wait- you mean australia, don't you. :) 19:38:20 <puiterwijk> nirik: maybe one thing to schedule: we might want to send a mass-email to anyone who has used legacy-openid before sunset date? 19:38:27 <dgilmore> skvidal: yes australia 19:38:49 <nirik> puiterwijk: not a bad idea. ;) Perhaps closer to sunset date? say a week or so before? 19:38:50 <dgilmore> pretty sure other countries have easter monday off also 19:38:54 <puiterwijk> nirik: (I have made it keep a log distinct from the syslog for that purpose) 19:38:59 <nirik> or early next week. 19:39:01 <skvidal> dgilmore: I was being silly 19:39:06 <puiterwijk> sure, works for me 19:39:15 <dgilmore> skvidal: ;) i know 19:39:43 <puiterwijk> nirik: 04-04-2013? :) 19:40:14 <puiterwijk> or would that be too late? 19:40:16 <nirik> sure. 19:40:22 <nirik> works for me 19:40:47 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:40:49 <puiterwijk> #info 2013-04-04 Send email to folks who have been using legacy-openid to notify about sunset 19:40:56 <nirik> any items for open floor? questions, comments? 19:41:02 <biker> nirik, yeah 19:41:17 <biker> the same as last week,., i hope there are more people now that fudcon is over :p 19:41:24 <skvidal> pycon 19:41:24 <nirik> :) 19:41:25 <biker> pycon * 19:41:26 <skvidal> not fudcon 19:41:27 <skvidal> but yah 19:41:27 <biker> yeah :p 19:41:35 <nirik> biker: ask away... 19:41:42 * herlo also has something 19:42:04 * skvidal has one more item too 19:42:32 <biker> so i want to participate on the google summer of code helping the fedora infrastructure,., so if anyone has an idea of what does could be done or what it is needed, i would like to hear and help (: 19:43:00 <skvidal> is fedora trying to get into GSoC this year? 19:43:39 <biker> skvidal, im not sure,., but they have done it every year,., and fedora also has the fedora on gsoc 2013 wiki 19:43:44 <puiterwijk> skvidal: Fedora itself is according to wiki, but none of the infra stuff has any mentors... 19:43:50 <biker> altough i think they jsut changed 2012 to 2013 19:44:05 <skvidal> who is running the gsoc show for fedora this year? 19:44:12 <skvidal> who is our lead on it? 19:44:23 <abadger1999> I think so. I think bckurera is going to manage it again. 19:44:25 <nirik> I think it's been submitted... but none of them have been announced yet. 19:44:35 <abadger1999> But -- I don't know if we have anyone who is ready to mentor in infra. 19:44:43 * nirik doesn't really have time at this time. 19:44:46 <puiterwijk> skvidal: according to wiki: Buddhike Kurera(Bckurera) 19:45:03 <skvidal> nirik: I'm with you there 19:45:21 <abadger1999> threebean, you up for mentoring someone in GSoC this year? 19:45:23 * puiterwijk also doesn't have time for that 19:45:28 <nirik> pingou suggested we do a team thing... 19:45:36 <skvidal> no idea what that means 19:45:47 <nirik> ie, get several people to mentor the same person... so mentor duties can be spread out. 19:45:49 <threebean> abadger1999: I was going to mentor for http://gnome.org/OPW which is at the same time 19:46:08 <threebean> sorry - https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen 19:46:48 <tflink> from my experience as a mentor for GSoC last year, having multiple people helps - even if they aren't officially part of GSoC 19:47:10 <abadger1999> Well... hmm.... biker We can ask o nthe infra mailing list if there's other people in infra not here at present that would be willing to mentor. 19:47:28 * nirik thinks biker was also interested in ideas of things to work on too. 19:47:28 <biker> abadger1999, that would be great (: 19:47:29 <skvidal> sounds like a plan 19:47:30 <abadger1999> but hte core team seems like they might be overcommitted right now. 19:47:32 <tflink> the official load from GSoC wasn't bad - the hard part was answering questions and helping get stuff done 19:47:46 <skvidal> abadger1999: overcommitted is an understatement 19:47:50 <dgilmore> tflink: ive decided to not at all be involved with GSoC this year 19:48:03 <abadger1999> So you might need to adapt to the needs of what the specific mentor is interested in mentoring for. 19:48:34 <abadger1999> biker: Are you on the infrastructure(a)lists.fp.o mailing list? I'll send an email there right after the meeting. 19:48:59 <nirik> thanks abadger1999 / biker. :) good luck... 19:49:05 <nirik> herlo: you had something? 19:49:08 <herlo> Anyone ever looked at this https://github.com/klaussilveira/gitlist as a replacement for trac, similar to suggestions of gitlabhq. It's php though, so I don't know if it's even worth looking at. The screenshots are nice... 19:49:12 <herlo> nirik: I did 19:49:14 <biker> abadger1999, ill subscribe right now (: thanks a lot to everytone (: 19:49:14 <herlo> :) 19:49:24 * nirik hasn't looked at that before 19:49:38 <herlo> I don't really know if we're actually still discussing replacing trac, but I know it was a topic at FUDCon 19:49:48 <herlo> I was thinking about setting this up for myself anyway. 19:49:54 <nirik> problem is that lacks some things we need... 19:50:04 <nirik> no wiki? no ticketing system? 19:50:10 <herlo> nirik: yeah, I was kind of wondering about that too... 19:50:14 <skvidal> nirik: no users.. 19:50:27 <skvidal> does it even have logins? 19:50:30 <herlo> just thought I'd throw it out there 19:50:30 <skvidal> or is it just a better cgit? 19:50:37 <nirik> we can take a look tho. ;) 19:50:42 <skvidal> herlo: not being derisive - I just couldn't tell from looking at it 19:50:57 <herlo> skvidal: yeah, me neither. I was going to hav ea look if people were interested 19:51:04 <herlo> I could give feedback in a couple meetings from now 19:51:06 <skvidal> herlo: please 19:51:08 <nirik> sure, sounds good. 19:51:08 <skvidal> by all means 19:51:12 <nirik> thanks herlo 19:51:13 <herlo> nice 19:51:14 <herlo> np 19:51:23 <nirik> skvidal: you have something? 19:51:30 <skvidal> wanted to mention these items 19:51:33 <skvidal> we typed these up last week 19:51:35 <skvidal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraBugzilla 19:51:36 <skvidal> and 19:51:43 <nirik> ah, yeah. 19:51:46 <skvidal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraHosted_Version2_Notes 19:52:02 <skvidal> both of them are things we've been thinking about for THE FUTURE 19:52:07 <skvidal> constructive input is welcome 19:52:12 * nirik nods. 19:52:18 <skvidal> also 19:52:30 <nirik> look for more discussion on those as we get more input and ideas, etc. 19:52:32 <skvidal> if anyone here has good, hands-on, experience with pgpoolII in production 19:52:40 <skvidal> or any other db replication/HA system 19:52:53 <skvidal> please consider yourself invited to tell us all about your experiences 19:53:05 <nirik> yep. That would be lovely. 19:53:15 <skvidal> the more handson the better 19:53:19 <skvidal> the more experience the better 19:53:28 <skvidal> especially when it comes to failure modes 19:53:38 <skvidal> and how they resynchronize in the event of a failure 19:53:49 * herlo read handson as hanson and was confuzled for a moment wondering why we were talking about a boy band 19:53:57 <skvidal> mmmm bop 19:53:59 <herlo> lol 19:54:02 <nirik> ha. 19:54:03 <herlo> you know you sang it 19:54:06 <herlo> :D 19:54:14 <skvidal> nirik: that's all I had 19:54:17 <nirik> Any other items for open floor from anyone? 19:54:18 <cyberworm54> man finally i caught you guys 19:54:19 <nirik> thanks skvidal 19:54:25 <nirik> hey cyberworm54. 19:54:26 <skvidal> cyberworm54: ? 19:54:50 <cyberworm54> saving time really mess up the meeting time for me 19:55:19 <cyberworm54> I've check at 1 pm est 2pm and I assume it is 3pm est 19:55:28 <nirik> cyberworm54: yeah, it's anoying to me too. ;) 19:55:36 <nirik> anyhow, did you have anything to bring up or discuss? 19:55:42 <frankly3d> Apologies have to go whingin child 19:56:28 <nirik> frankly3d: no worries. ;) 19:56:32 * nirik notes we are almost out of time 19:56:58 * cyberworm54 knows now it is ath 3PM EST 19:57:38 <jerzyr> I'll be looking nirik contact ... 19:57:41 <skvidal> cyberworm54: need tardis 19:57:58 <nirik> jerzyr: ? 19:58:03 <jerzyr> yes :) 19:58:18 <nirik> what are you looking for from me? 19:58:32 * nirik isn't sure if he's forgotten something he was supposed to do or what... 19:59:01 <jerzyr> after .. 19:59:37 <nirik> well, I will definitely be around... ;) 19:59:46 * nirik will close out the meeting in a few here if nothing else. 19:59:51 <cyberworm54> Well I guess I will just read the log when posted in the infra mail list 20:00:25 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone! 20:00:28 <nirik> #endmeeting

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EMEA ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-03-27
by Jiri Eischmann 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

Hello, we had another EMEA ambassadors meeting today. 15 ambassadors participated. The meeting lasted 1 hour 43 minutes. If you want to know more, read the minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-27/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-27/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-27/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be at 20:00 UTC on Wed April 10th. We've changed the UTC time of the meeting to keep the same local time after the summer time switch! The time remains 22:00 CEST. Jiri

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2013-03-27
by Paul Whalen 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

Thanks to those that were able to join for the status meeting today, for those unable the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-27/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-27/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-27/fedora-meeting… Paul =================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora ARM weekly status meeting =================================================== Meeting started by pwhalen at 20:00:33 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-27/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting (pwhalen, 20:02:43) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… (pwhalen, 20:02:51) * -RESOLVED- pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues - Issue turned out to be HW related. (pwhalen, 20:03:02) * -COMPLETE- pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build (pwhalen, 20:03:13) * LINK: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=130599 (pwhalen, 20:03:25) * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o (pwhalen, 20:03:49) * ACTION: pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o (pwhalen, 20:04:30) * 1) Problem Packages (pwhalen, 20:05:45) * tog-pegasus, mongodb, some ruby apps are the top issues (bconoboy, 20:08:03) * mongodb bz #921226: It now builds but the resulting rpms do not function (bconoboy, 20:12:44) * - ruby packages fixed : rubygem-nokogiri, rubygem-gherkin, rubygem-ffi, ruby-korundum (pwhalen, 20:17:14) * AGREED: jcapik and colleagues are awesome for fixing them (bconoboy, 20:17:31) * being analyzed : rubygem-RedCloth (pwhalen, 20:17:38) * 2) F19: uImage load addresses with unified kernel (pwhalen, 20:18:32) * We will use bootz wherever possible for F19 (bconoboy, 20:29:59) * Currently bootz is not an option for armada-xp, but this is being checked on with Marvell (bconoboy, 20:30:14) * Bootz may or may not be an option for omap, this needs to be investigated further (bconoboy, 20:30:29) * Whether or not omap can use bootz, some image post-processing will be necessary due to providing board specific MLO binaries (bconoboy, 20:30:55) * 3) Open Floor (pwhalen, 20:31:45) * LINK: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=130599 (pwhalen, 20:40:35) Meeting ended at 20:46:47 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o Action Items, by person ----------------------- * pbrobinson * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bconoboy (50) * pwhalen (39) * dmarlin (30) * jonmasters (15) * dgilmore (14) * zodbot (12) * fossjon (9) * jcapik (8) * masta (7) * ctyler (4) * j_dulaney (3) * ahs3 (2) * oatley (2) * pbrobinson (0)

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F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #3 Minutes
by Tim Flink 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

================================================= #fedora-blocker-review: f19alpha-blocker-review-3 ================================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-27/f19alpha-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-27/f19alpha-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-27/f19alpha-… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:01:05) * Introduction (tflink, 16:08:31) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:08:44) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:08:51) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:08:52) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:08:57) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:08:57) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:09:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:09:07) * Up for review today, we have: (tflink, 16:09:40) * 16 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:09:52) * 8 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:09:52) * 3 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:09:52) * 1 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:09:52) * (926913) rescue mode fails with traceback (tflink, 16:12:25) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=926913 (tflink, 16:12:25) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST (tflink, 16:12:25) * AGREED: 926913 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "The rescue mode of the installer must start successfully and be able to detect and mount an existing default installation." (tflink, 16:16:49) * (924138) Cannot set password for root during text-mode installation (tflink, 16:17:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924138 (tflink, 16:17:04) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, VERIFIED (tflink, 16:17:06) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=926900#c1 (robatino, 16:18:44) * this bug is already VERIFIED, skipping review since we're not in freeze yet (tflink, 16:20:56) * (924162) Software selection checking doesn't work. (tflink, 16:21:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924162 (tflink, 16:21:18) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:21:18) * AGREED: 924162 - RejectedBlocker - This does not hit any of the alpha release criteria as it requires the user to ignore dep errors and proceed with the install and is thus rejected as a release blocking bug for Fedora 19 alpha (tflink, 16:28:41) * (926916) anaconda can't report traceback to bugzilla (tflink, 16:28:57) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=926916 (tflink, 16:28:57) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:28:57) * AGREED: 926916 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla, with appropriate information included." (tflink, 16:32:15) * (928279) anaconda doesn't start on LiveCD (in Gnome) (tflink, 16:32:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928279 (tflink, 16:32:31) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:32:31) * AGREED: 928279 - While this sounds like it has potential to be a release blocking issue, we need more details before making a final decision - will revisit when more details are available (tflink, 16:42:09) * (928303) F19 KDE contains F18 artwork (tflink, 16:42:21) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928303 (tflink, 16:42:21) * Proposed Blocker, distribution, NEW (tflink, 16:42:21) * AGREED: 928303 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "The default desktop background must be different from that of the two previous stable releases" (tflink, 16:46:30) * (927967) initial-setup is not included in default install (tflink, 16:46:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=927967 (tflink, 16:46:47) * Proposed Blocker, distribution, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:46:47) * AGREED: 927967 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 release criterion as firstboot has been retired: "A system installed with a graphical package set must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." (tflink, 16:54:35) * (928353) FF 32b crashes for a number of web pages (tflink, 16:54:49) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928353 (tflink, 16:54:50) * Proposed Blocker, firefox, NEW (tflink, 16:54:50) * AGREED: 928353 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "It must be possible to run the default web browser and a terminal application from all release-blocking desktop environments." (tflink, 16:59:44) * (923364) [3.7.92] Despite moving mouse in Black Screen(Blank Screen), gnome-shell doesn't switch to unlock screen (tflink, 17:02:10) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923364 (tflink, 17:02:13) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:02:16) * AGREED: 923364 - RejectedBlocker - While this is annoying, it is possible to workaround by pressing esc or disabling screen lock. As such, it does not violate any of the F19 alpha release criterion and is rejected as a release blocking bug for F19 alpha (tflink, 17:07:57) * (924031) initial-setup-graphical.service fails (tflink, 17:08:10) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924031 (tflink, 17:08:11) * Proposed Blocker, initial-setup, POST (tflink, 17:08:11) * it isn't clear whether it's a good idea for initial-setup to have a package-level dep on anaconda, the exact method of fixing will require more conversation with devs (tflink, 17:12:59) * AGREED: 924031 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion for the KDE spin: "A system installed with a graphical package set must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." (tflink, 17:14:36) * (928228) global name 'ROOT_PATH' is not defined (tflink, 17:14:57) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928228 (tflink, 17:14:58) * Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, NEW (tflink, 17:14:58) * AGREED: 928228 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion for installs to bare-metal: "The installer must be able to complete an installation to a single disk using automatic partitioning." (tflink, 17:25:28) * (922988) python-blivet not creating /sys and /run on /mnt/sysimage (tflink, 17:25:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922988 (tflink, 17:25:50) * Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:25:52) * AGREED: 922988 - RejectedBlocker - The hacks in place are enough to make this not a release blocking issue for F19 alpha and thus, this bug is rejected as a blocker for F19 alpha (tflink, 17:31:14) * (919374) /var/run not created with var_run_t leading to many boot avc's (tflink, 17:31:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919374 (tflink, 17:31:31) * Proposed Blocker, selinux-policy, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:31:34) * AGREED: 919374 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion for DVD and netinstall installs: "A system installed with a graphical package set must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." (tflink, 17:41:05) * (924500) kvm f19 guest reports "BUG: bad unlock balance detected" (backtrace) when using vnc/cirrus on f17 host (tflink, 17:41:15) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924500 (tflink, 17:41:18) * Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11-drivers, NEW (tflink, 17:41:20) * AGREED: 924500 - RejectedBlocker - Running on virt is not an alpha release criteria and later comments make it sound like this might not be so widespread (tflink, 17:45:02) * (924494) kvm f19 guest xorg segfault with spice/qlx on f17 hosts (tflink, 17:48:07) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924494 (tflink, 17:48:10) * Proposed Blocker, xorg-x11-drivers, NEW (tflink, 17:48:12) * AGREED: 924494 - RejectedBlocker - Virt-only bugs do not qualify as blockers for F19 alpha (tflink, 17:51:26) * (928339) systemd[1]: Failed to mount /run: No such file or directory (tflink, 17:51:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928339 (tflink, 17:51:50) * Proposed Blocker, systemd, NEW (tflink, 17:51:53) * AGREED: 928339 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "A system installed with a graphical package set must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." (tflink, 18:01:28) * ACTION: tflink or adamw to finish secretarializing from a previous meeting and reject 894110 as a proposed FE (tflink, 18:03:40) * (920380) Graphical menu screen garbled on thinkpad T400 (tflink, 18:03:50) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=920380 (tflink, 18:03:50) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, grub2, NEW (tflink, 18:03:50) * AGREED: 920380 - RejectedFreezeException - There is no proposed fix and no clear idea on how to fix this issue. Rejected as freeze exception for F19 alpha, please re-propose if there is a fix imminently available. (tflink, 18:13:07) * (923547) Packages listed as 'optional' in comps being pulled into F19 live composes (tflink, 18:13:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923547 (tflink, 18:13:23) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, yum, NEW (tflink, 18:13:25) * AGREED: 923547 - AcceptedFreezeException - This causes oversized isos and while this isn't a release blocking issue for Alpha, it is for beta and would be good to get it fixed now if possible (tflink, 18:20:23) * (919935) enblend FTBFS due to doc/texinfo related issues (tflink, 18:20:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919935 (tflink, 18:20:56) * Accepted Blocker, enblend, NEW (tflink, 18:20:56) * AGREED: 919935 - RejectedBlocker - While still a serious issue, the components of this which were blocking the release of F19 alpha have been solved (enblend has been built and pulled into TC2). Thus, this is no longer considered a release blocking bug for F19 alpha (tflink, 18:29:35) * (924248) repoclosure failure on 19 Alpha TC1 DVDs (enblend) (tflink, 18:29:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924248 (tflink, 18:29:50) * Accepted Blocker, enblend, NEW (tflink, 18:29:53) * this has been reported as fixed with TC2, can be closed (tflink, 18:30:25) * (917246) gdm-simple-slave crashes on login attempt (tflink, 18:30:35) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917246 (tflink, 18:30:35) * Accepted Blocker, gnome-shell, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:30:36) * no movement on this bug in a week (tflink, 18:31:41) * some disagreement on where the bug should be fixed - in comps by adding gnome-session-xsession or if GDM should be able to survive without an existing session (tflink, 18:32:45) * still waiting for feedback from desktop team on possible fix (tflink, 18:33:16) * AGREED: 917246 - RejectedBlocker - This symptom is no longer present after gnome-session-xsession was added to the comps group. Thus, this is no longer considered severe enough to block release of F19 alpha (tflink, 18:37:30) * (923951) yum is getting stuck in urlgrabber (tflink, 18:37:34) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923951 (tflink, 18:37:37) * Accepted Blocker, python-urlgrabber, NEW (tflink, 18:37:39) * progress is being made, an initial root cause has been proposed (tflink, 18:39:14) * (924256) repoclosure failure on 19 Alpha TC1 DVDs (resteasy) (tflink, 18:39:52) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924256 (tflink, 18:39:55) * Accepted Blocker, resteasy, NEW (tflink, 18:39:57) * still broken in TC2 (tflink, 18:40:08) * resteasy has been FTBFS in rawhide since 2013-02-22 (tflink, 18:41:34) * ACTION: adamw to check into resteasy dep errors on tomcat6 and whether it needs to be removed (tflink, 18:47:52) * (924244) repoclosure failure on 19 Alpha TC1 DVDs (rubygem-rails) (tflink, 18:48:13) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924244 (tflink, 18:48:16) * Accepted Blocker, rubygem-rails, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:48:19) * this was fixed in TC2, bug can be closed (tflink, 18:48:40) * (924258) repoclosure failure on 19 Alpha TC1 DVDs (rubygem-railties) (tflink, 18:49:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=924258 (tflink, 18:49:43) * Accepted Blocker, rubygem-railties, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:49:46) * this has been fixed in F19 alpha TC2, can be closed (tflink, 18:50:05) * (928302) setroubleshoot-server-3.2.3-1.fc19.i686 requires setools-libs-python >= 3.3.7-19 (tflink, 18:50:39) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928302 (tflink, 18:50:42) * Accepted Blocker, setroubleshoot, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:50:44) * this has been reported to be fixed in newest setroubleshoot but not yet in a TC (tflink, 18:51:25) * can likely be closed after the next TC build (tflink, 18:51:34) * Open Floor (tflink, 18:52:11) Meeting ended at 19:12:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ * tflink or adamw to finish secretarializing from a previous meeting and reject 894110 as a proposed FE * adamw to check into resteasy dep errors on tomcat6 and whether it needs to be removed Action Items, by person ----------------------- * adamw * tflink or adamw to finish secretarializing from a previous meeting and reject 894110 as a proposed FE * adamw to check into resteasy dep errors on tomcat6 and whether it needs to be removed * tflink * tflink or adamw to finish secretarializing from a previous meeting and reject 894110 as a proposed FE * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (270) * adamw (163) * kparal (89) * brunowolff (51) * jreznik (20) * smooge (8) * zodbot (5) * robatino (5) * satellit_e (4) * nirik (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA Meeting (26 March 2013)
by Dan Mashal 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by dan408 at 01:00:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-27/famna.2013-03-27… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (dan408, 01:01:05) * Announcements (dan408, 01:03:26) * Budget (dan408, 01:07:05) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApBrbq5j6NbOdG0zQzVvR3VqQ05NaE… (dan408, 01:08:25) * FAmNA approves $500 to sponsor SELF (inode0, 01:12:26) * ACTION: herlo to make a report on ticket (masta, 01:25:19) * Open Floor (dan408, 01:31:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxFest_Northwest_(LFNW)_2013 (rbergeron, 01:57:20) Meeting ended at 02:03:42 UTC. Action Items ------------ * herlo to make a report on ticket Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * herlo to make a report on ticket People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (116) * masta (67) * award3535 (62) * inode0 (43) * rbergeron (27) * suehle (20) * zodbot (11) * nb (4) * inode1 (2) * adamw (0)

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[CR] REMINDER French Fedora Meeting Today #fedora-meeting-1
by Kévin Raymond 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

Voici le compte rendu : http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-26/fedora-fr.2013… -- Kévin Raymond (Shaiton)

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Docs Project Meeting Summary
by Pete Travis 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As promised, I'm catching up on sending out meeting summaries. The notes below will cover the most recent 25 March meeting as well as last week's 18 March meeting. - - 18 March 2013 - We talked about the progress towards changing our publishing platform. It was generally decided that Rudi had things well in hand, but that we'd like to know what was going on. Lnovich offered to track him down. I brought up a thread on devel@ containing a proposal for a help center desktop application, which you can read at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-March/180093.html or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/Help_Center_Idea . I expressed concern that unvalidated content from ask.fp.o would take semantic precedence over curated content from the docs writers, and urged the other members to comment on the proposal with their own thoughts. The group graciously accepted nagging about Release Note beats. jreznik asked us to review his comments on the docs list, and the wiki page for the changes process. The general feeling has been that we would like help with raw content, and want developers to know don't expect polish. The meeting ended a bit late, apologies to the QA team. Zodbot asked us to read some links as the meeting closed: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-18/docs_project_age… http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-18/docs_project_age… - - 25 March 2013 - The new publishing platform was on the table again. lnovich spoke with Rudi about it, as did I. The end result will give us a very simple and effective publishing process that our RH contributors will probably find familiar. If I'm recalling it correctly, some magic of publican and git combines to allow us to publish a single translation of a document with a single command, nicely wrapping up the RPM packaging process, building in git, and installing to production in one go. rbergeron stopped by, and we touched on the Changes/Feature process. [ I'm still not sure of the appropriate name for it! ] We need to make a point to validate the information we pull out of the Feature pages into the beats at each release stage, because the former is dynamic and the latter has been... less dynamic. shaiton valiantly volunteered to clean up the duplicate language teams on transifex. It looks like much of that has been completed by the time I sat down to write the summary - thanks shaiton! The logs are available for your review at: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-25/fedora_docs.2013… http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-25/fedora_docs.2013… - Afterthoughts - If you can't make it to the meeting, please use the list! - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRUUGSAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2ZX24H/j19yAwuFAiB5R0yU56zhpi4 /HlRHjtUHaEe4KuO82Qajki4E4Icp/z4NfcABAKZ5lAfOGZKuLl1j0VPPzBxx5/G rxzBQMuR+6dKOdkhqSMKvi4lByxmVEtXaC3HLA00IlPY5BSGflVZr4iHQZSZdvKX zpKbtil5K1BaP3FJ48q2MRQyP0ex77sLLTGIMZjmgkVrvk5XSqEnnI8vcIJBLUCj /9RLbMXea6epQk/eqCAueC87eMNJb9oa/B/adkQNMNuOfyWy9ocmgH+4hD3HrlqW p5YUk6eUJdzdL7K+B1WEFrkewxnMkuh0aqB6eOFX6JT4iteXQiOKz7b/Nlsev/k= =7U7n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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2013-03-25 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 25 Mar '13

25 Mar '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130325 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-04-01 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130401 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * adamw to work with developers on getting F19 images to bootable state - this was done: TC1 is bootable * adamw to work out a fallback plan with desktop team if we cannot get working images by Wednesday - this was done: Test Day went ahead with F19 images TOPIC: Fedora 19 Alpha status ======================================================================= * Bug #923951[1] is a major development/testing roadblock * TC1 DVD install fails on dependency issues, so we need a TC2 soon without those * We need to ensure we do all the tests that don't require network install at least, on TC2 TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * 2013-03-21 GNOME Test Day[2] went ahead with working F19-based images, attendance was better than 3.4 and 3.6 but still below where it could be: try to improve outside publicity for future events * kparal suggests that the scope of the GNOME Test Day has gotten wider than a single day can really cover and suggests splitting future events into multiple days * kparal and martix will look after System Certificates Test Day[3] planning TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * tflink still working on getting the blocker proposal webapp into production, it's on staging now but still a couple of bugs to fix ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= * adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues * kparal to talk to martix and ensure System Certificates Test Day page[3] will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=923951 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-03-21_Gnome_3.8 3. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114305.html -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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2013-03-18 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130318 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-03-25 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130325 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * jreznik to ink in the proposed image schedule, and add a Test Day entry - this was done: QA[1], release engineering[2] TOPIC: Fedora 19 Alpha status ======================================================================= * We discussed the current state of F19 test images: potential issues in image compose, dracut, selinux and gnome-initial-setup, adamw and anaconda team investigating * We noted that both TC1 and GNOME Test Day images were required soon TOPIC: Criteria re-design ======================================================================= * There was general agreement to give adamw's revised Alpha[3] and Beta[4] criteria a try for F19 TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * We agreed to look at a fallback plan of building GNOME 3.8 images on Fedora 18 if workable Fedora 19 images were not possible for the GNOME Test Day TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * tflink would be AFK at Pycon much of the week ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= * adamw to work with developers on getting F19 images to bootable state * adamw to work out a fallback plan with desktop team if we cannot get working images by Wednesday 1. http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-quality-tasks.html 2. http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-releng-tasks.html 3. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114198.html 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114305.html -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-22)
by Alick Zhao 22 Mar '13

22 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at the link [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about tomorrow's offline gather up in Beijing, FUDCon APAC 2014 bid. We also voted the beginning time of IRC meetings from now on and decided to move it to 21:00(UTC+8). The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-03-29). Please come and join the discussion if you can! Note the change of the beginning time! 1. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-22/fedora-zh.2013-03-22-… ================== #fedora-zh Meeting ================== Meeting started by alick at 12:00:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-22/fedora-zh.2013-03-22-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 12:01:22) * FUDCON APAC 2014 举办申请 (alick, 12:08:30) * IDEA: 大家对各个申办地的观点都是很客观的，但每个城市都有不同的优缺点，所以找不出完美的选择 (endle, 12:25:15) * IDEA: 我建议先总结下影响申办的主要因素 (zsun, 12:25:27) * IDEA: 不妨有共识的人组成一个小组（比如北京组，上海组），然后总结一个自己支持的城市书面的评价。在此基础上再进行下一步的讨论 (endle, 12:26:57) * IDEA: 我们应该想应该哪里举办，而不是哪里不应该举办。 (alick, 12:28:24) * IDEA: 对申办城市选择意见相同的人自发组成小组 (endle, 12:31:38) * 三月线下活动（BJGUG 社区联合活动） (alick, 12:32:51) * 北京GNOME用户组三月活动之开源社区大联盟 (alick, 12:33:37) * LINK: http://www.bjgug.org/node/692 (alick, 12:34:14) * 时间： 2013年3月23日周六 14:00~17:00 (alick, 12:34:26) * 地点：北京图灵文化发展有限公司，北京市朝阳区北苑路13号院1号楼领地 OFFICE C座603室 (alick, 12:34:35) * 地图：http://lisp.org.cn/wiki/_media/lisp/event/tuling- address.jpg?cache= (alick, 12:34:52) * gbraad 可能也去呀 (alick, 12:37:23) * 日程：14:45-15:30 Fedora社区 (alick, 12:39:05) * 关于 IRC 会议起始时间的投票 (alick, 12:41:07) * IDEA: 把时间推迟半小时， 8:30-9:30能不能好一点？ (endle, 12:45:56) * 投票今后的IRC会议起始时间点：1)20:00 2)20:30 3)21:00 (alick, 12:54:03) * 投票结果：1) 0 票 2) 3 票 3) 5 票 (alick, 13:12:01) * 今后的IRC会议起始时间点定为 21:00 (alick, 13:13:17) * ACTION: alick to notify the change in ML (alick, 13:13:48) Meeting ended at 13:16:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * alick to notify the change in ML Action Items, by person ----------------------- * alick * alick to notify the change in ML * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (124) * endle (34) * zsun (33) * microcai (15) * zodbot (13) * liangsuilong (6) * Robin_cheese_Lee (6) * diseng (6) * endle___ (6) * BadGirl (3) * kaio (3) * fracting (2) * gfrog (1) * kingheaven (1) * CyrusYzGTt (0) * cswiii (0) * gbraad (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-03-21)
by Kevin Fenzi 21 Mar '13

21 Mar '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-03-21) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-21/fedora_marketing… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:01) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:12) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:52) * LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube (relrod, 19:08:42) * selenium test suite for stg hosts: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube (nirik, 19:10:12) * blockbugs moving into staging (nirik, 19:10:19) * new fedora-tagger v2.0 work starting. (nirik, 19:10:29) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:21:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraHosted_Version2_Notes (skvidal, 19:24:28) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:39:41) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:40:13) * 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid (nirik, 19:40:25) * 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release (nirik, 19:40:26) * 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:40:27) * 2013-05-21 F19 beta release (nirik, 19:40:28) * 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter (nirik, 19:40:30) * 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. (nirik, 19:40:32) * 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release (nirik, 19:40:33) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:41:12) Meeting ended at 19:52:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (124) * skvidal (76) * pingou (46) * biker (30) * zodbot (8) * relrod (8) * suehle (6) * jerzyr (6) * puiterwijk (3) * maayke (1) * smooge (1) * abadger1999 (0) * lmacken (0) * threebean (0) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-03-21) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 21 19:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:09 * skvidal is here 19:00:11 * relrod here 19:00:21 * maayke is here 19:00:25 * puiterwijk is around-ish (just don't expect too intelligent answers from me ;) ) 19:00:58 <smooge> sort of here 19:01:17 * nirik will another min for folks to wander in... 19:01:29 * pingou here 19:02:12 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:02:28 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves? or have questions? 19:02:40 * skvidal notes the infra team appears to be full of sick people 19:02:44 * skvidal moves away from all of them 19:02:51 <nirik> :) 19:03:04 <jerzyr> yes :) 19:03:39 <pingou> skvidal: sick ? 19:03:47 <nirik> hey jerzyr. Welcome. Care to send us a one line intro? 19:03:48 <skvidal> pingou: smooge and puiterwijk 19:03:55 <skvidal> pingou: both under the weather 19:03:58 <nirik> are you interested in sysadmin or application development? 19:03:58 <jerzyr> short bio: for 10 years, I teach students algorithms and data structures 19:04:10 <pingou> oh 19:04:16 <jerzyr> sorry :) 19:04:32 <skvidal> jerzyr: you're fine! 19:04:38 <jerzyr> ;) 19:04:46 <skvidal> jerzyr: so you were a teacher for 10yrs - now what do you do? 19:05:19 <jerzyr> I'm looking for practice as a consultant to developers 19:05:56 <zodbot> suehle: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 19:05:59 <suehle> #meetingname Fedora Marketing 19:05:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing' 19:06:00 <suehle> doh 19:06:04 <skvidal> suehle: no 19:06:06 <nirik> suehle: oops. 19:06:06 <skvidal> :) 19:06:11 <skvidal> suehle: are we overlapping? 19:06:20 <nirik> suehle: we didn't switch for DST, but you folks did? 19:06:22 <suehle> Yeah, but I doubt there's a swarm waiting. 19:06:28 <suehle> nirik, ooooh 19:06:46 <suehle> Well, if there's anyone here who actually wants to talk to me about marketing, I'll move over to #fedora-meeting-1 19:06:53 <skvidal> suehle: thank you 19:06:55 <suehle> nirik, it's entirely possible that didn't even occur to me :) 19:07:03 <nirik> jerzyr: welcome again. I can point you at sysadmin stuff after the meeting over in #fedora-admin... most of our app developer types are at pycon this week, but they hang out in #fedora-apps. 19:07:18 <nirik> suehle: yeah, we can move next week if you want us too... whatever works. ;) 19:07:52 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:07:59 <nirik> any app/devel news this week? 19:08:08 <nirik> (again, many folks are at pycon...) 19:08:40 <relrod> threebean started working on a selenium test suite for our staging infra, it's pretty neat 19:08:42 <relrod> https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube 19:08:43 <nirik> I've been working a bit on getting blockerbugs app moved into staging. 19:09:07 <nirik> but it needs db setup, and proxy setup and I've not had time to poke at it much 19:09:24 <pingou> I've pushed to github a new branch for fedora-tagger, basically the basis for fedora-tagger v2.0 19:09:51 <nirik> cool. 19:09:57 <pingou> it comes with its own API (that's what is there atm), handles tagging and rating, change a little bit the db scheme 19:10:12 <nirik> #info selenium test suite for stg hosts: https://github.com/fedora-infra/rube 19:10:15 <pingou> threebean wants to port the UI to it soonish 19:10:19 <nirik> #info blockbugs moving into staging 19:10:29 <nirik> #info new fedora-tagger v2.0 work starting. 19:10:39 <nirik> cool. 19:10:40 <pingou> and the idea would be to integrate this with the gnome-app store that rhughsie is working on 19:10:56 <nirik> ok. 19:11:05 * nirik keeps meaning to read up on that, but hasn't yet 19:11:05 <pingou> otherwise, more copr, more pkgdb2, a surprise for next week and fedocal is in stg :) 19:11:18 <skvidal> pingou: wait 19:11:20 <skvidal> hold on 19:11:22 <skvidal> a surprise? 19:11:25 <pingou> yes :) 19:11:29 * skvidal dislikes surprises 19:11:50 <pingou> it's kinda ready for a 1.0 but I'm waiting for threebean to be there to reveal it :) 19:11:55 <nirik> a good surprise I hope. ;) 19:12:03 <pingou> I don't think you will dislike it :) 19:12:22 <pingou> (well, I certainly hope so at least!) 19:12:23 <relrod> that's what they always say. ;) 19:12:37 <skvidal> yes... 19:12:39 <skvidal> I see 19:12:40 <pingou> suspens... :) 19:13:04 <skvidal> okay moving along 19:13:06 <nirik> relrod: random memory... what happened to that php auth thing we were going to try and use for wiki and gallery? did we just decide to look at moving to openid ? 19:13:24 * nirik feels bad we haven't gotten anything moving with gallery. 19:13:46 <skvidal> what is gallery _for_ again? 19:13:55 <relrod> nirik: Well I haven't done much with it recently (I might move it to the fedora-infra org and pick back up on it again) - but if we want to look at doing openid for Gallery instead, that's fine too 19:13:59 <nirik> pics at events. 19:14:04 <nirik> suehle and spot wanted it. 19:14:06 <skvidal> nirik: ah 19:14:26 <nirik> If we can, that might move us forward quicker and also just be nicer. 19:14:48 * nirik doesn't know the state of openid for wiki / gallery, but we can look. 19:15:09 <nirik> ok, any other application/devel news? 19:15:13 <relrod> nirik: There's no maintained/decent openid thing for Gallery, afaik - we can probably dep on another openid php library and write whatever it needs to link that library to gallery. 19:15:22 <nirik> ok. 19:15:31 <nirik> hopefully that wouldn't be _too_ much work 19:15:37 <relrod> indeed 19:15:39 <biker> what about using Persona? 19:15:51 <relrod> hah, that was just mentioned in -noc a few hours ago 19:15:56 <pingou> biker: w/ fas account ? 19:16:04 <biker> pingou, .fas rugebiker 19:16:06 <nirik> biker: we are looking into it... 19:16:21 <biker> .fas rugebiker 19:16:22 <nirik> biker: puiterwijk thinks it might be not too hard to add it... 19:16:23 <zodbot> biker: rugebiker 'Ruben Guerra Marin' <rguerra.marin(a)gmail.com> 19:16:45 <pingou> I don't follow ther 19:16:47 <pingou> +E 19:16:59 <nirik> pingou: mozilla is pushing a web auth thing called 'persona' 19:17:10 <nirik> we may be able to add support for it to our fas-openid... 19:17:21 <biker> pingou, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/ 19:17:23 <puiterwijk> nirik: fedora-idprovider ;) 19:17:39 <nirik> sorry, another similar service anyhow. ;) 19:17:43 <pingou> I know what is personna, but then it's no longer linked to FAS, no? 19:17:50 <puiterwijk> actually the same, but renamed :) 19:17:51 <biker> for what i have read, persona is going more serious than openid 19:18:22 <skvidal> 'more serious'? 19:18:24 <pingou> or do we want to run our own persona server and link it to FAS ? 19:18:25 * nirik shrugs. I don't know if it will take off, but if we can easily provide support for it, it might be handy for those sites that add support for it. 19:18:28 * skvidal has no idea what that means in this context 19:18:45 <nirik> pingou: yes, a provider, like our fas-openid provides openid based on fas 19:18:53 <pingou> ok 19:19:00 <pingou> now I get it :) 19:19:06 <biker> oo,., i dont know if we can make like our own persona server 19:19:07 <skvidal> lwn had an article on it today 19:19:07 <nirik> "publisher" I guess they call it 19:19:21 <skvidal> biker: that's the whole point 19:19:33 * nirik nods. 19:19:36 <pingou> +1 19:19:48 <skvidal> so we can use apps using persona for auth 19:19:59 <skvidal> it's why we have an openid provider 19:20:01 <nirik> so, the entire idea is that we provide a personal publisher, so you can login to any persona enabled site by using your @fedoraproject.org address. 19:20:04 <pingou> like hypertitty :) 19:20:24 <biker> sweet (: 19:20:27 <nirik> pingou: yep. 19:20:31 <pingou> your @fedoraproject.org address and your FAS password 19:20:38 <nirik> right. 19:20:53 <skvidal> pingou: s/ti/ki/ 19:21:02 <pingou> skvidal: indeed 19:21:02 <nirik> ok, shall we move on to exciting sysadmin news ? 19:21:08 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:21:09 <skvidal> oh yes, lets 19:21:20 <nirik> so, the fun has been fedorahosted.org this week. 19:21:29 <skvidal> 'the fun' 19:21:47 <skvidal> I 'think' I will 'talk' in 'quotes' for the rest of the 'meeting' 19:21:48 <nirik> basically it's been having load issues and isn't happy. 19:21:53 <nirik> 'yes' 19:22:07 * nirik hears skvidal talking like william shatner. 19:22:09 <pingou> skvidal: just """ now and close them at the end ;) 19:22:21 <nirik> anyhow, we have done some things to get the load back down to usable. 19:22:22 <skvidal> but I need ironic emphasis 19:22:31 <nirik> it's not great, but it should be usable right now. 19:22:40 <skvidal> nirik: it'sa darn-sight better than it was 19:22:48 <skvidal> so here's what we did 19:22:58 <skvidal> we look in gluster volume top hosted read|write|etc 19:23:00 <nirik> we are syncing all the data off it, then are going to have an outage in the next few days to move it to using ext4 directly without gluster. 19:23:17 <skvidal> oh sure - if you want to say it all quickly :) 19:23:24 <pingou> splitting ? 19:23:47 <skvidal> pingou: ? 19:23:48 <skvidal> what do you mean? 19:24:13 <pingou> do we take advantage of this and start splitting some of the project to another instance? 19:24:22 <nirik> pingou: yeah, thats the next part. 19:24:25 <skvidal> so that brings up the PLANS 19:24:28 <skvidal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_FedoraHosted_Version2_Notes 19:25:04 <nirik> ideally the idea is that we get things seutp so we can split things by project. 19:25:15 <nirik> and have project1 and project2 on different machines, or the same... 19:25:28 <nirik> it's going to take some work to get there, but I think it's a good thing to do. 19:25:52 <skvidal> nirik: what about your other suggestion? 19:26:16 <nirik> Not sure. My other suggestion was more short term: just make a massive single instance and move everything to it. 19:26:24 <nirik> that doesn't help us scale at all 19:26:34 <nirik> but it would be simple, no changes... 19:26:48 <nirik> also, it would mean a spof for hosted. 19:26:56 <nirik> (which to be fair we currently have now too) 19:27:37 <nirik> I guess I'd like to try and finish the short term stuff and look at the list and then decide next week or so what we want to do 19:28:22 <nirik> thoughts? rants? 19:28:39 <skvidal> nirik: so I have a fear 19:28:46 <skvidal> on both things 19:29:08 <pingou> thought and rant ? 19:29:10 <skvidal> 1. if we don't move something around and stabilize it that next week we will have a NEW fire and all-hands on that 19:29:33 <nirik> well, I am hoping moving to the raw storage will help it a lot... 19:29:40 <skvidal> 2. that we're not changing things ENOUGH 19:29:41 <nirik> but I could be wrong. 19:29:42 <skvidal> in the v2 19:29:59 <pingou> skvidal: are you thinking cloud? 19:30:04 <nirik> yeah, that could be true. 19:30:09 <skvidal> pingou: no 19:30:14 <skvidal> pingou: I was actually thinking gitolite 19:30:18 <skvidal> or something like it 19:30:28 <skvidal> right now for commits we have local shell accounts 19:30:33 <skvidal> and normal unix groups 19:30:42 <skvidal> and that doesn't scale very well.. 19:30:45 <pingou> oh, I thought we were using gitolite 19:30:46 <nirik> One thing is that we have been approaching it I think (or at least I have) more from a 'this is what we have, how do we safely migrate this to split it out' instead of 'hey, how would I setup to host 100 git projects with trac' 19:31:16 <skvidal> but nirik made a good a point that we're not seeing a lot of new projects being added at hosted in the recent past 19:31:22 <nirik> yeah, our ssh wrapper is... arcane. 19:31:34 <nirik> gitolite would be much much much better 19:31:46 <skvidal> nirik: so... that's fair - my argument was that if we break things out to project.fh.o - that we can try new things on new projects 19:31:49 <skvidal> nirik: or on test projects 19:31:54 <skvidal> w/o ripping up a lot of the infra 19:32:14 <skvidal> so our ssh wrapper exists afaict 19:32:18 <skvidal> b/c we support non-git repos 19:32:25 <skvidal> svn, bzr, hg 19:32:27 <nirik> right. and to be fair we wanted to do this for a long time, but we got it working 'good enough' that we put it lower pri, and... never got to it. ;) 19:32:46 <nirik> also true... 19:33:04 <pingou> as a side note, we convinced our only bzr user to move away from bzr at the last FUDCon :) 19:33:13 <skvidal> pingou: there are still remaining projects 19:33:22 <skvidal> pingou: notably only to move him to github :) 19:33:41 <pingou> skvidal: yes, still not sure how I feel about that part :s 19:33:51 <skvidal> anyway - that's immaterial 19:33:57 <skvidal> we have a number of svn and hg repos, too 19:34:01 <skvidal> some of them active 19:34:09 <nirik> so, I dunno... I guess I'd like more time to ponder on it... there doesn't seem to be a clear winner in my mind. 19:34:11 <skvidal> though, to be fair, the hg repo looks like a project graveyard 19:34:20 <skvidal> nirik: what do you mean clear-winner? 19:34:26 <skvidal> nirik: winner in which discussion? 19:35:07 <skvidal> nirik: so - we do have the scm-named CNAMES - so we can always walk away from the ssh-wrapper that way 19:35:17 <nirik> well, between: just do enough to split projects but otherwise keep setup, or just make a bigger one and leave things exactly the same, or put more work in it and do gitolite, etc. 19:35:44 <skvidal> nirik: and to be fair - that may be the simplest way to break these up git.fedorahosted.org (one big instance) and others.fedorahosted.org (other instance -not-so-big) 19:35:55 <nirik> yeah, thats an option too. 19:36:16 <skvidal> nirik: so I really do think that if we don't change things NOW we'll get it 'working' and we will never have the time to go back to it 19:36:18 <skvidal> EVER 19:36:23 <nirik> then we could be more flexable on the git one. 19:36:23 <skvidal> it's not like we have any spare hours 19:36:31 <nirik> yep. That is very true. 19:36:49 <nirik> on the other hand, we do have lots of things to work on, so how much work on this is important... 19:36:49 <skvidal> and we still need to COMPLETE the clouds 19:36:58 <skvidal> nirik: agreed 19:36:58 <nirik> yeah 19:37:23 <skvidal> nirik: if you want to get this moving and re-approach it later that's fine 19:37:30 <skvidal> nirik: but make the call one way or the other 19:38:02 <nirik> sure. I'd just like to ponder on it possibly over weekend... been fighting the fire enough to not have had time to think about the big picture 19:38:19 <skvidal> fair enough 19:38:43 <nirik> and hopefully it will be stable enough to do that. ;) 19:39:20 <nirik> ok, any other sysadminy news? 19:39:41 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:39:52 <nirik> I think we have done nothing really cloud wise this week. ;) 19:39:59 <nirik> see above hosted doom. 19:40:13 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze 19:40:25 <nirik> #info 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid 19:40:26 <nirik> #info 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release 19:40:27 <nirik> #info 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze 19:40:28 <nirik> #info 2013-05-21 F19 beta release 19:40:30 <nirik> #info 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter 19:40:32 <nirik> #info 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. 19:40:33 <nirik> #info 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release 19:40:36 <nirik> anything anyone wants to schedule or note? 19:41:01 <biker> i wanna say something on the open floor (if there is one) :P 19:41:07 <nirik> yep... coming up. ;) 19:41:12 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:41:16 <nirik> go ahead. ;) 19:41:17 <pingou> 2013-06-30 pingou's end of work 19:41:20 <biker> hehe thanks :P 19:41:33 <nirik> pingou: ? 19:41:39 <biker> well ive been a fedora ambassador since last year,., but im also a student,., and i would like to participate on the google summer of code 19:41:55 <biker> and it would be great to help in the fedora infrastructure (: 19:42:01 <pingou> nirik: hopefully at that time I'll have my thesis submitted and I can start actually working 19:42:10 <nirik> pingou: ah ha. Cool. 19:42:17 <nirik> biker: ah. great. ;) 19:42:22 <pingou> biker: cool 19:42:33 <nirik> biker: there was talk on our list not long back about doing some kind of team mentoring... 19:42:34 <pingou> biker: any ideas on what you would like to do ? 19:42:45 <biker> so on the fedora wiki ideas,., there is this one: Implement a unit test framework for fedpkg and rpkg 19:43:21 <biker> that sound great (: but if someone has a better idea in that i could work,., .. (: 19:43:49 <pingou> unfortunately the contact disapeared for this subject apparently 19:44:08 <pingou> yeah, it was Jesse 19:44:17 <pingou> .whoowns fedpkg 19:44:17 <zodbot> pingou: ausil 19:44:42 <biker> damn hehe,., so any other projects or ideas you may have,., i can check them ( 19:44:42 <pingou> biker: you should contact ausil for this subject and see with him if he is still interested 19:44:43 <biker> (: 19:44:47 <nirik> yeah, dgilmore doesn't have time to mentor 19:45:06 <biker> pingou, okok thanks (: 19:45:09 <nirik> (at least I am pretty sure) 19:45:16 <nirik> anyhow, you could also ask on the list... 19:45:17 <biker> any other project that could be done? (: 19:45:24 <pingou> biker: what do you like ? 19:45:35 <pingou> I'm sure we can find a bunch of projects :D 19:46:28 <biker> pingou, i know python (and some django), C, QT, java, some php 19:46:59 <nirik> biker: you might ask over in #fedora-apps, (but probibly monday would be best) 19:47:03 <pingou> biker: and you like more web app dev, desktop application dev, CLI, library work ? 19:47:34 <biker> nirik, ,., thanks (: ill try then on monday. is there a meeting or monday or just more people? :P 19:47:46 <nirik> biker: many folks are gone to pycon this week. 19:47:51 <nirik> they should be back next week 19:47:57 <biker> nirik, o okok (: 19:48:06 <biker> pingou, humm well i dont like a lot web app dev :P 19:48:10 <nirik> hopefully we can find something interesting for you. ;) 19:48:12 <biker> but for the others i can try on (: 19:48:18 <biker> nirik, :D 19:48:37 <nirik> ok, anything else for open floor? 19:48:46 <biker> i havent done much coding for opensource, so i dont know if web app, or cli, or library :p 19:49:04 <pingou> fedocal in stg, testers welcome :) 19:49:12 <biker> im studying EE, so i also know a lot of microcontrollers, some hardware and stuff (: 19:49:20 <nirik> pingou: I've not had a chance to look at that redirect issue. ;( 19:49:37 <pingou> nirik: me neither :( 19:49:53 <pingou> nirik: but all the rest seems to work fine 19:49:55 <nirik> biker: we don't do too much direct hardware work. :) 19:50:23 <biker> nirik, yeah i know, but maybe i could try to do a driver or something (: though i still dont know how to make drivers :P 19:50:49 <nirik> biker: most of that work is done upstream in the kernel community... and we just use their hard work. 19:50:59 <biker> oo okok (: 19:51:29 <biker> so yeah,., ill ask next week on #fedora-apps,., 19:51:39 <nirik> great. :) Thanks for coming biker. 19:51:51 <biker> thanks to all (: 19:51:56 <biker> ill try to be here next meeting (: 19:51:57 <nirik> and welcome again jerzyr 19:52:03 <jerzyr> thx 19:52:07 <nirik> everyone welcome. :) 19:52:19 <nirik> lets continue over in #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps or #fedora-noc. ;) 19:52:23 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2013-03-21)
by Akira TAGOH 21 Mar '13

21 Mar '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-21/i18n.2013-03-21-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:03:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-21 (tagoh_, 06:03:04) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 0213-03-21 [[Test_Day:2013-03-21_Gnome_3.8]] (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 2013-04-02 Branch Freeze (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 2013-04-02 Software String Freeze (tagoh_, 06:08:10) * 2013-04-02 Alpha Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:08:11) * 2013-04-11 [[Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n)]] (tagoh_, 06:08:11) * 2013-04-16 Alpha Release (tagoh_, 06:08:13) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:11:07) * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:11:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16 (tagoh_, 06:11:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n) (tagoh_, 06:11:18) * ACTION: all to check/update respective test cases which you are responsible (tagoh_, 06:27:42) * AGREED: update test cases by April 24 (tagoh_, 06:30:58) * #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:32:01) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18 (tagoh_, 06:32:02) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/tw (tagoh_, 06:55:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885833 (dan408, 06:56:38) * LINK: http://i.imgur.com/JdQemp6.png (dan408, 07:01:49) * LINK: http://www.irongeek.com/alt-numpad-ascii-key-combos-and-chart.html (dan408, 07:02:04) * LINK: http://www.sput.nl/software/console-utf.html (dan408, 07:04:10) * Outstanding task (tagoh_, 07:06:39) * #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno) (tagoh_, 07:06:39) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15 (tagoh_, 07:06:40) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 07:10:13) Meeting ended at 07:15:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * all to check/update respective test cases which you are responsible Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * all to check/update respective test cases which you are responsible People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (85) * juhp (57) * dan408 (39) * mfabian (10) * pravins (10) * epico (7) * paragan (4) * zodbot (3) * dramsey (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2013-03-20
by Paul Whalen 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… Paul =================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora ARM weekly status meeting =================================================== Meeting started by pwhalen at 20:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-20/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting (pwhalen, 20:02:07) * - COMPLETE - ahs3 to do another package scan this evening for aarch64 patching, send to the list for review (pwhalen, 20:02:36) * - INPROGRESS - pbrobinson/dgilmore to provide feedback on aarch64 patches (pwhalen, 20:03:28) * bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922257 Alias is ARM64 (pbrobinson, 20:09:55) * 1) Problem Packages (pwhalen, 20:10:19) * java still outstanding- devs say it will be done by end of week (bconoboy, 20:11:38) * py-pillow is fixed (bconoboy, 20:11:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922770 (pbrobinson, 20:12:21) * LINK: tog-python is broken, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922770 (bconoboy, 20:12:43) * Other misc broken packages: (bconoboy, 20:13:01) * LINK: javasqlite: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1584679 (bconoboy, 20:13:04) * LINK: pure: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1498064 (bconoboy, 20:13:05) * LINK: OpenImageIO: http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1606987 (bconoboy, 20:13:05) * If you know Ruby please ping pbrobinson (bconoboy, 20:14:32) * ACTION: pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o (bconoboy, 20:15:50) * 2) Aarch64 patching (pwhalen, 20:16:18) * 3) Creating test candidate images for F19 (pwhalen, 20:17:43) * livemedia-creator in f19 is broken meaning we cannot use it to make f19 images (bconoboy, 20:19:10) * Using fedora 18's livemedia-creator to make f19 images results in problems due to the emerging unified kernel (bconoboy, 20:19:46) * F19 kernel will be unified except for tegra (bconoboy, 20:25:13) * IDEA: Let's just use a unified kernel for F19 (bconoboy, 20:29:47) * IDEA: Anything not in unified is treated as a remix (bconoboy, 20:30:00) * agree on unified only f19 kernel (jonmasters, 20:30:09) * Unified kernel will minimally support omap, highbank, mvebu, vexpress (a9), possibly vexpress a15 (bconoboy, 20:35:05) * AGREED: The spins-kickstarts repo will be used to generate official f19 images- get your changes in! (bconoboy, 20:41:54) * 4) Open Floor (pwhalen, 20:44:11) * 3.8.x has gone out to stable. The vexpress version needs F19's qemu to boot. Some highbank issues in 3.8. (bconoboy, 20:46:51) * ACTION: pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery (bconoboy, 20:47:22) * ACTION: pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build (bconoboy, 20:52:15) * AGREED: pbrobinson is a man of action (bconoboy, 20:53:05) * goal for new 3.9 test build is to resolve usb driver conflicts between omap and mvebu (bconoboy, 20:53:56) Meeting ended at 20:55:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o * pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery * pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mlangsdorf * pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery * pbrobinson * pbrobinson to post a list of leaf packages to arm(a)lists.fp.o * pbrobinson will update 3.9 kernel config over weekend and spin out a new test build * pwhalen * pwhalen and mlangsdorf are working on the highbank issues- every reason to expect a speedy recovery * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * bconoboy (91) * pbrobinson (79) * pwhalen (30) * dgilmore (25) * j_dulaney (24) * jonmasters (23) * masta (18) * zodbot (14) * dmarlin (13) * ctyler (6) * jsmith (5) * mlangsdorf (4) * jcapik (4) * nirik (2) * ahs3 (2) * fossjon (1)

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Summary/Minutes from Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-03-20)
by Kevin Fenzi 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-03-20) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-20/fesco.2013-03-20… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 18:00:02) * #1095 Fedora 20 schedule proposal (nirik, 18:01:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095 (nirik, 18:01:55) * AGREED: approve schedule aiming as 2013-11-12, with explicit dates listed as 'no earlier then', and start the announcement with "will be adjusted out based on changes submitted by deadline" (+6, -1, 0) (nirik, 18:08:50) * #1094 tomcat6 deprecation (fasttrack) (nirik, 18:09:25) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1094 (nirik, 18:09:26) * ACTION: nirik to close ticket out. (nirik, 18:10:27) * #1098 F19 Features - Progress on Feature Freeze (nirik, 18:10:34) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1098 (nirik, 18:10:34) * AGREED: drop ns-3 and kolab as features for F19. Suggest they target F20. (+6, 0) (nirik, 18:15:55) * rawhide inheritance (nirik, 18:16:38) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 (nirik, 18:16:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1099 (nirik, 18:16:48) * AGREED: proposal to Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze rejected (0,-6,0) (nirik, 18:24:06) * #1102 Release name issues (nirik, 18:24:14) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1102 (nirik, 18:24:15) * AGREED: leave name as is, fix issues as they arise (+6,0,0) (nirik, 18:31:36) * next weeks chair (nirik, 18:31:44) * ACTION: t8m to chair next week (nirik, 18:32:14) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:32:18) * LINK: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/systemd.git/commit/?id=5457175a725720384… (Viking-Ice, 18:34:12) Meeting ended at 18:43:25 UTC. Action Items ------------ * nirik to close ticket out. * t8m to chair next week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * nirik * nirik to close ticket out. * t8m * t8m to chair next week * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (88) * jreznik (20) * mitr (19) * pjones (14) * notting (14) * abadger1999 (13) * Viking-Ice (12) * zodbot (10) * jwb (8) * adamw (4) * t8m (3) * drago01 (2) * mmaslano (0) * sgallagh (0) -- 18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2013-03-20) 18:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 20 18:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 18:00:02 <nirik> #chair abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano notting nirik pjones t8m sgallagh 18:00:02 <nirik> #topic init process 18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 jwb mitr mmaslano nirik notting pjones sgallagh t8m 18:00:09 <mitr> Hello all 18:00:20 * abadger1999 can pay attention every so often 18:00:27 <pjones> hello. 18:00:30 * notting is here 18:00:36 <jwb> hi 18:00:53 * jreznik lurks 18:01:22 <nirik> I think sgallagh and mmaslano are both out today. 18:01:47 <jreznik> nirik: yep, marcela is still out 18:01:47 <nirik> so, I guess lets go ahead and get started. 18:01:55 <nirik> #topic #1095 Fedora 20 schedule proposal 18:01:55 <nirik> .fesco 1095 18:01:55 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095 18:02:03 <zodbot> nirik: #1095 (Fedora 20 schedule proposal) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1095 18:02:31 <nirik> so, did we come up with any brilliant plans on this since last meeting? 18:02:43 * jreznik thinks we are still stuck with not accepted proposal 18:03:08 <nirik> well, the issue is: do we make a schedule (even tenative) without knowing what will be in it. 18:03:10 <notting> nirik: only the ones to move our new unicode world from the release name to the release number. 18:03:41 * nirik proposes a feature for Fedora e^(i*pi) 18:04:11 <jreznik> nirik: chicken - egg - without saying how much time we will give to the teams... 18:04:25 <notting> nirik: nah. our release processes are already irrational, the number should be too 18:04:27 <mitr> nirik: Marcela is +1 in the ticket for a proposal that got +4 the last time... 18:04:34 * nirik looks 18:04:56 <nirik> mitr: that is a new proposal... 18:05:12 <jreznik> nirik: that's actually more "details provided" for the previous one 18:05:31 <nirik> oh I see... 18:05:32 <abadger1999> I'm worried that we'll slip into the holidays again with this schedule but I don't have a better idea if we want to do a regular full Fedora release. 18:05:38 <abadger1999> You can count me as a +1 18:05:40 <pjones> nirik: or maybe e^(i*pi)+1? 18:05:59 <nirik> pjones: I'd love to see what breaks with a fedora-0 ;) 18:06:28 <nirik> so, then I guess we pass that schedule... sorry pjones. You can tell us 'I told you so' now. 18:06:41 <pjones> abadger1999: the issue isn't so much worries about the dates themselves as worrying that by agreeing to them all now we're committing the same mistakes as we did for F18. 18:07:00 <nirik> so, that would be: 18:07:06 <nirik> approve schedule aiming as 2013-11-12, with explicit dates listed as 'no earlier then', and start the announcement with "will be adjusted out based on changes submitted by deadline" 18:07:11 <jreznik> or ubuntu-20 18:07:43 <jreznik> nirik: yep, I think it's a compromise similar to what we did with f19, just a little bit more clear 18:07:49 <nirik> assuming no one else wishes to change their votes? speak now. 18:08:03 <abadger1999> pjones: Well... yeah, I don't have an answer for that problem either. 18:08:36 <abadger1999> :-( 18:08:42 <notting> nirik: i can be +1 to that 18:08:50 <nirik> #agreed approve schedule aiming as 2013-11-12, with explicit dates listed as 'no earlier then', and start the announcement with "will be adjusted out based on changes submitted by deadline" (+6, -1, 0) 18:09:06 <nirik> anything else on this? or moving on... 18:09:25 <nirik> #topic #1094 tomcat6 deprecation (fasttrack) 18:09:26 <nirik> .fesco 1094 18:09:26 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1094 18:09:29 <zodbot> nirik: #1094 (tomcat6 deprecation (fasttrack)) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1094 18:09:36 <nirik> the submitter said this can be closed now. 18:09:46 <nirik> I will just do that unless anyone has any further issues here... 18:09:53 <abadger1999> mitr: btw, I think Marcela voted the last time (in ticket) 18:10:05 <notting> hooray for things that sort themselves out 18:10:16 <nirik> yeah, always nice. 18:10:18 <abadger1999> yay 18:10:23 <mitr> abadger1999: yes, but we changed the proposal 18:10:27 <nirik> #action nirik to close ticket out. 18:10:34 <nirik> #topic #1098 F19 Features - Progress on Feature Freeze 18:10:34 <nirik> .fesco 1098 18:10:34 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1098 18:10:36 <zodbot> nirik: #1098 (F19 Features - Progress on Feature Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1098 18:11:35 <nirik> so where are we here? 18:11:57 <jwb> we're at the point where we drop stuff 18:12:14 * nirik nods 18:12:30 <jwb> which is basically kolab and ns-3 at this point? 18:12:57 <jreznik> the list of postponed features is quite big 18:13:09 <nirik> jwb: looks like. 18:13:16 <jreznik> jwb: I have not received any update for ns-3 at all 18:13:18 <jwb> jreznik, they already moved them themselves. that's good. 18:13:40 <jwb> proposal: drop ns-3 and kolab as features for F19. Suggest they target F20. 18:13:40 <jreznik> jwb: well, I convinced them to do so :) to make it easier for fesco :) 18:13:45 <jwb> excellent 18:13:56 <nirik> jwb: +1 18:14:02 <jreznik> cwickert promised updates but... so I'm +1 18:14:06 <notting> jwb: +1 18:14:24 <notting> they're both leafy features, so if they come back tomorrow we *can* reconsider, but yeah - defer to f20 18:14:24 <mitr> +1. (We can perhaps reconsider later if they do make F19 and are expected to be sufficiently tested.) 18:14:43 <nirik> right, they can come back for an exception. 18:15:07 <nirik> other votes? 18:15:08 <abadger1999> +1 18:15:18 <jreznik> there are more leaf features that could get exception later, for now it was easier and safer to postpone 18:15:41 * pjones reads 18:15:47 <pjones> jwb: +1 18:15:55 <nirik> #agreed drop ns-3 and kolab as features for F19. Suggest they target F20. (+6, 0) 18:16:36 <nirik> So, we had enough votes on this to decide in ticket, but I thought I would have a topic in case others wished to vote or had additional comments: 18:16:38 <nirik> #topic rawhide inheritance 18:16:46 <nirik> #1005 At f19 branching time, drop inheritance in rawhide 18:16:46 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 18:16:47 <nirik> .fesco 1005 18:16:47 <nirik> and 18:16:47 <nirik> #1099 Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze 18:16:48 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1099 18:16:50 <nirik> .fesco 1099 18:16:50 <zodbot> nirik: #1005 (At f19 branching time, drop inheritance in rawhide) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1005 18:16:53 <zodbot> nirik: #1099 (Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1099 18:17:13 <nirik> so, any additional thoughts or comments? or are we all set here? 18:18:31 * nirik listens to the crickets chirp. ;) 18:18:36 <notting> i like the idea of later inheritance breaks because i'm lazy. 18:18:47 <jwb> i don't care either way 18:18:49 <notting> but i don't care enough that we should drastically change policy for it. 18:19:21 <nirik> I understand lazy... but I think this way is also nicer... I mean f19 and rawhide aren't really the same after branch... 18:19:51 <nirik> perhaps we revisit next cycle and see if we can do anything better. 18:19:53 <jreznik> nirik: +1 and I actually never used inheritance 18:20:04 <mitr> If anybody wanted to save work, a script that kicks of both builds and even reports a diff of the build.logs (potentially ignoring "f19"/"f20" differences) should be easy enough to write. 18:20:21 <nirik> mitr: yeah. 18:20:29 <nirik> ok, moving along then... 18:20:35 <mitr> Conceptually I strongly prefer having the build system and branches consistent 18:20:43 * nirik does too 18:20:58 <pjones> mitr: likewise 18:21:05 <mitr> Do we want a pro forma vote, or is that -4 in the ticket considered sufficient? 18:21:38 <nirik> mitr: theres -5 in ticket 1099... 18:21:52 <notting> I can be -1 too 18:22:18 <mitr> nirik: comment#4 if vondruch quoting abadger1999 18:22:37 <pjones> you meant "is", right? 18:22:40 <nirik> oh indeed. 18:22:47 <mitr> pjones: yes, sorry 18:22:52 <pjones> still, looks like we're at -6 now? 18:23:01 <nirik> so, with nottings -1 we are at -5... 18:23:09 * pjones was counting himself 18:23:15 <nirik> sorry, yeah, -6 18:24:06 <nirik> #agreed proposal to Postpone inheritance cut-off to Alpha Freeze rejected (0,-6,0) 18:24:14 <nirik> #topic #1102 Release name issues 18:24:14 <nirik> .fesco 1102 18:24:15 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1102 18:24:19 <zodbot> nirik: #1102 (Release name issues) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1102 18:25:02 <mitr> Do we have a reason to believe there will be many bugs? 18:25:17 <jwb> i think pjones fixed 3 yesterday 18:25:33 <pjones> jwb: which means we have reason to believe we won't have those 3. 18:25:40 <jreznik> abrt guys fixed abrt one 18:26:02 <pjones> still, the real question is: how many alpha blocker bugs will we have? 18:26:14 <nirik> indeed. 18:26:14 <jreznik> but it caused for example issue with pillow due to python unicode handling 18:26:23 <pjones> and I think it's starting to look like there was a quick rush of them, but they've mostly subsided. 18:26:36 <mitr> I don't see this as a reason to panic... yet 18:26:53 <pjones> yeah, I think it was just a scary change that caused some dramatic breakage up front, but wasn't actually too bad 18:26:58 <nirik> I don't think we will really know until we get further testing things. 18:27:06 <mitr> Perhaps we could stay with the current name for Alpha, and decide to revert at the change freeze time if it would look like it would affect the schedule? 18:27:20 <notting> the spec defines that os-release is in unicode, correct? 18:27:20 <abadger1999> jreznik: only sorta true -- it caused python3 to ftbfs 18:27:20 <nirik> mitr: yeah, that was my thought. 18:27:28 <nirik> notting: yep. 18:27:36 <nirik> well, if by 'spec' you man 'man os-release' 18:27:39 <mitr> 2 weeks should also be enough time to fix a few issues 18:27:43 <adamw> right now the state of pre-alpha images is that we don't have a non-live image which can complete an install, and basically only I have a live image which installs 18:27:44 <abadger1999> jreznik: and pillow needed python3 rebuilt to fix a different bug 18:27:50 <jreznik> abadger1999: ok 18:27:55 <adamw> and I have not tested that any further than 'it reaches the desktop' really 18:27:58 <adamw> so it's a hard question to answer. 18:28:19 <adamw> fixing the single quote _ought_ to reduce the possible number and severity of issues, though, so thanks pjones. 18:28:42 <abadger1999> notting: yep -- os-release is supposed to be utf-8. But os-release is also a different format (key-value vs a single string) 18:29:03 <jreznik> adamw: yep, I think the quote one is really the top one... 18:29:39 <jreznik> abadger1999: but makes sense to have same rule for os-release and fedora-release at least for encoding 18:29:46 <abadger1999> jreznik: +1 18:30:11 <nirik> hey t8m 18:30:29 <nirik> so, really I think we should keep trying to fix things and if it seems like thats causing massive pain, revisit. 18:30:32 <notting> proposal: leave name as is, fix issues as they arise 18:30:37 <pjones> notting: +1 18:30:40 <t8m> heya 18:30:48 <nirik> +1 18:30:52 <mitr> notting: +1 18:30:55 <notting> (as-is == with currently-in-tree apostrophe change, just for reference) 18:31:02 <abadger1999> +1 18:31:06 <t8m> +1 if it does not cause slippage 18:31:34 * notting is +1 (obviously) 18:31:36 <nirik> #agreed leave name as is, fix issues as they arise (+6,0,0) 18:31:44 <nirik> #topic next weeks chair 18:31:47 <nirik> who wants the fun? 18:31:54 <t8m> nirik, I can do 18:32:08 <nirik> cool. thanks. 18:32:14 <nirik> #action t8m to chair next week 18:32:18 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:32:21 <nirik> anything for open floor? 18:33:32 <Viking-Ice> what's the default logger now that journal persistancy has been enabled by default ? 18:33:38 <jreznik> nirik: just one thing related to schedule - I'd like to have a draft of "changes" template and process ready soon - to announce it together, hope for next meeting for you 18:34:12 <Viking-Ice> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/systemd.git/commit/?id=5457175a725720384… 18:34:32 <nirik> Viking-Ice: rsyslog is still enabled and default, if someone wants to propose a f20 feature to change that, feel free. 18:34:39 <nirik> jreznik: cool. 18:35:08 <Viking-Ice> nirik, I just want to fix things before rsyslog gets disable I wanted to start doing that a year ago hence my packaging proposal 18:35:16 <Viking-Ice> at that time 18:35:30 <Viking-Ice> trying to work ahead of the inevitable 18:35:35 <jreznik> nirik: sorry for delays, I'm trying to sync with docs, not many luck with marketing, I'll push harder 18:36:22 <nirik> no worries. 18:37:09 <nirik> ok, anything else? 18:37:41 <drago01> Viking-Ice: flip it in rawhide? 18:37:59 <drago01> Viking-Ice: enough time to work things out ... we already branched 18:38:12 * nirik would like to see a feature proposal with the changes and scope and such... 18:38:12 <Viking-Ice> drago01, need the fpc proposal approved it's on ice since journal is not the "default" 18:38:37 <Viking-Ice> in fact it makes no sense enable journal persistancy ( from my pov ) until it is 18:38:42 <nirik> and confirm all the issues folks noted last time it was proposed are handled in some way 18:39:18 <mitr> Viking-Ice: You can (rpm -e rsyslog) in F18 already and test that if you are interested 18:39:56 <Viking-Ice> mitr, I just want to start fixing packaging log files in the distribution 18:39:57 <mitr> (don't take that as a +1 to the change from me :) ) 18:40:13 <Viking-Ice> after all the affected components are around 600 18:40:18 <Viking-Ice> it takes time ;) 18:40:18 <mitr> Viking-Ice: I have no idea what that means, sorry 18:40:50 <Viking-Ice> mitr, as so many things packages are not depending on rsyslog 18:41:34 <mitr> Viking-Ice: All of 2 packages on F18 18:41:47 <nirik> anyhow, can we continue this out of meeting? 18:41:48 <Viking-Ice> mitr, there should be around 600 ;) 18:42:02 <mitr> nirik: yes. sorry 18:42:18 <nirik> if nothing else, will close in a minute then. 18:43:23 <nirik> thanks everyone. 18:43:25 <nirik> #endmeeting

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F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #2 Minutes
by Tim Flink 20 Mar '13

20 Mar '13

================================================= #fedora-blocker-review: f19alpha-blocker-review-2 ================================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-20/f19alpha-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-20/f19alpha-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-20/f19alpha-… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:00:13) * Introduction (tflink, 16:06:52) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:07:47) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:08:18) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:08:36) * 11 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:08:59) * 1 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:08:59) * 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:08:59) * 1 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 16:08:59) * (922988) virtio modules (and possibly others?) missing from installed system's initramfs after a Fedora 19 live (pre-Alpha TC1) install (tflink, 16:10:34) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922988 (tflink, 16:10:37) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:10:40) * AGREED: 922988 - We're not 100% clear on the impact of this bug. Once we have more data on its impact, we can make a decision WRT its impact (tflink, 16:22:33) * (923459) F19 pre-Alpha TC1 network installs stop at "Starting package installation process" (anaconda is stuck in a loop between writev and recvfrom) (tflink, 16:23:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923459 (tflink, 16:23:59) * Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW (tflink, 16:24:02) * AGREED: 923459 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criteria for network sources "When using the dedicated installer images, the installer must be able to use either HTTP or FTP repositories (or both) as package sources." (tflink, 16:27:42) * (922991) dracut hook pre-pivot runs before mount hook (tflink, 16:27:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922991 (tflink, 16:27:54) * Proposed Blocker, dracut, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:27:54) * AGREED: 922991 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to download and use an installer update image from an HTTP server." (tflink, 16:31:41) * (921896) Single quote in f19 release name breaks grub2, probably other stuff (tflink, 16:32:04) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=921896 (tflink, 16:32:07) * Proposed Blocker, fedora-release, NEW (tflink, 16:32:09) * AGREED: 921896 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criteria as soon as the kernel is updated post-install "After firstboot is completed and on subsequent boots, a graphical install must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop as the user created during firstboot." (tflink, 16:38:42) * (919374) /var/run not created with var_run_t leading to many boot avc's (tflink, 16:39:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919374 (tflink, 16:39:22) * Proposed Blocker, filesystem, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:39:25) * AGREED: 919374 - While this sounds like it could be a blocker, we want to wait until it has been reproduced by at least one other person before accepting it as a blocker for F19 alpha (tflink, 16:45:50) * (923501) gnome-initial-setup is not visible on first boot after install (tflink, 16:46:18) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=923501 (tflink, 16:46:21) * Proposed Blocker, gdm, NEW (tflink, 16:46:23) * the criteria need to be updated to cover both firstboot and gnome-initial-experience (tflink, 16:53:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922951 covers the other fail. (adamw, 16:53:55) * AGREED: 923501 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion (substituting gnome-initial-experience for firstboot) A system installed with a graphical package set must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation. (tflink, 16:56:51) * (922951) gnome-initial-setup is enabled by default (and presently crashes) (tflink, 16:57:23) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922951 (tflink, 16:57:26) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, NEW (tflink, 16:57:28) * AGREED: 922951 - While this seems as it it would be a blocker, we suspect that it has been fixed. If it isn't fixed already, will revisit at the next meeting (tflink, 17:03:55) * (922885) make sure gnome-initial-setup.service doesn't start on LiveCD (tflink, 17:04:14) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922885 (tflink, 17:04:17) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, POST (tflink, 17:04:19) * LINK: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-initial-setup/log/ (adamw, 17:06:15) * this has already been fixed, verified and will be closed (tflink, 17:07:46) * (922955) GNOME Shell fails to start if gnome-screensaver is not installed (it is not in our default groups) (tflink, 17:10:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922955 (tflink, 17:10:20) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:10:22) * this bug has been fixed and will be closed shortly (tflink, 17:16:50) * (917246) gdm-simple-slave crashes on login attempt (tflink, 17:17:05) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917246 (tflink, 17:17:06) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:17:06) * AGREED: 917246 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F19 alpha release criterion: "After firstboot is completed and on subsequent boots, a graphical install must boot to a log in screen where it is possible to log in to a working desktop as the user created during firstboot." (tflink, 17:30:27) * (921914) Lorax should disable dracut's 'hostonly' mode when generating images (tflink, 17:30:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=921914 (tflink, 17:30:49) * Proposed Blocker, lorax, NEW (tflink, 17:30:52) * 921914 has been fixed and can be closed (tflink, 17:36:40) * (922335) enter not accepted in unlock screen anymore (tflink, 17:37:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922335 (tflink, 17:37:32) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:37:32) * note that this has already been closed (tflink, 17:40:13) * (919935) enblend FTBFS due to doc/texinfo related issues (tflink, 17:43:08) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919935 (tflink, 17:43:08) * Accepted Blocker, enblend, NEW (tflink, 17:43:08) * this is still being worked out, leaving out kipi-plugins from the TC1 build is an option (tflink, 17:46:56) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:50:47) * the next version of the blocker tracking app will be hitting fedora infra staging soon (hopefully this friday) (tflink, 17:51:25) Meeting ended at 18:02:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (165) * adamw (145) * kparal (60) * jreznik (36) * pjones (7) * zodbot (5) * satellit_e (2) * nirik (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA Meeting (20 March 2013)
by Jon 19 Mar '13

19 Mar '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by masta at 01:00:17 UTC. The full logs are available athttp://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-20/famna.2013-03-… . Meeting summary --------------- * === FAmNA Roll Call === (masta, 01:00:17) * === Announcements === (masta, 01:03:49) * === Tickets === (masta, 01:04:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (masta, 01:04:47) * Northeast LinuxFest 2013, March 16 - 17, Harvard (dan408, 01:13:12) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/49 (dan408, 01:15:45) * ticket #48 & #49 to be closed as soon as they have event reports (masta, 01:19:15) * ACTION: rbergeron to update ticket (dan408, 01:22:13) * == Who will be the next FAmNA meeting chair? == (masta, 01:23:49) * == Open Floor === (masta, 01:28:22) * ACTION: dan408 to have a time and date to vote on for a new official meeting time if not the same one (dan408, 01:51:27) Meeting ended at 02:00:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to update ticket * dan408 to have a time and date to vote on for a new official meeting time if not the same one Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dan408 * dan408 to have a time and date to vote on for a new official meeting time if not the same one * rbergeron * rbergeron to update ticket * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (157) * chanchito (55) * masta (46) * award3535 (38) * inode0 (22) * rbergeron (18) * davdunc (10) * zodbot (9) * dramsey (3) * nb (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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APAC ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-03-16
by Truong Anh Tuan 16 Mar '13

16 Mar '13

Hi, We have got only some attendees but a good meeting today. Here are the meeting minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-16/apac.2013-03-16-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-16/apac.2013-03-16-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-16/apac.2013-03-16-… The next meeting will be on Saturday, March 30th, 2013 at 04:00 UTC with a new proposed agenda format [1] (I will have another thread to start a discussion on this new proposed format later) Meet you in two weeks! [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-03-30#Agenda Kind regards, Tuan

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-15)
by Alick Zhao 15 Mar '13

15 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at here [1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about offline gather up in Beijing in March, translation task, FUDCON 2014 bid. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-03-22). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-15/fedora-zh.2013-03-15-… ============================================= #fedora-zh: Fedora Chinese Meeting 2013-03-15 ============================================= Meeting started by alick at 12:01:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-15/fedora-zh.2013-03-15-… . Meeting summary --------------- * 点名 (alick, 12:01:48) * 翻译 (alick, 12:16:31) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide/zh-cn (alick, 12:16:47) * LINK: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-trans-tasks.html (alick, 12:21:06) * 目前主要任务还是翻译文档和维基页 (alick, 12:23:46) * ACTION: endle will check the l10n progress of UEFI Guide (alick, 12:34:11) * 三月线下活动（BJGUG 社区联合活动） (alick, 12:36:20) * LINK: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-cn-list/2013-March/msg00020.html (alick, 12:38:22) * 北京GNOME用户组三月活动之开源社区大联盟 (alick, 12:40:45) * 时间： 2013.3.23 13:00-17:00 (alick, 12:40:57) * 地点：朝阳区北苑路13号院1号楼领地OFFICE C座603室 (alick, 12:41:37) * FUDCON APAC 2014 申办 (alick, 12:51:45) * IDEA: contact kaio, gbraad, and RH Beijing about FUDCON bid (alick, 13:00:53) Meeting ended at 13:03:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ * endle will check the l10n progress of UEFI Guide Action Items, by person ----------------------- * endle * endle will check the l10n progress of UEFI Guide * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * alick (101) * liangsuilong (39) * zsun (22) * BinLi_i (17) * zodbot (14) * endle (13) * gfrog (10) * diseng (7) * microcai (6) * BinLi (5) * BadGirl (4) * qzhou (1) * AndChat|366225 (1) * CyrusYzGTt (0) * gbraad (0) * kingheaven (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-03-14)
by Kevin Fenzi 14 Mar '13

14 Mar '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-03-14) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-14/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:02) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:04:49) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:10:06) * fedocal is moving to staging. (nirik, 19:10:24) * blockerbugs qa app is moving to staging. (nirik, 19:10:33) * currently we have a temporary openid provider setup for the old uri, will disappear soon (puiterwijk, 19:12:12) * relrod making a dev gitlab instance to look at. (nirik, 19:16:49) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:20:10) * LINK: https://github.com/mpdehaan/ansible-commander (nirik, 19:23:49) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:27:12) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:32:55) * 2013-03-12 to 2013-03-21 pycon (nirik, 19:33:12) * 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update (nirik, 19:33:12) * 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. (nirik, 19:33:12) * 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:33:12) * 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid (nirik, 19:33:12) * 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release (nirik, 19:33:13) * 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:33:15) * 2013-05-21 F19 beta release (nirik, 19:33:16) * 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter (nirik, 19:33:18) * 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. (nirik, 19:33:20) * 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release (nirik, 19:33:22) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:34:16) * help needed for coprs (nirik, 19:34:42) * coprs helpers see pingou or skvidal in #fedora-apps to help out. (nirik, 19:35:16) Meeting ended at 19:41:46 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (76) * skvidal (62) * pingou (20) * puiterwijk (12) * swa_work (11) * linuxmania (10) * relrod (6) * zodbot (4) * axil42 (4) * jerrycan321 (2) * smooge (1) * SmootherFrOgZ (1) * abadger1999 (0) * lmacken (0) * threebean (0) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-03-14) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 14 19:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:02 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:40 * skvidal is here 19:00:42 <relrod> here 19:00:48 * puiterwijk is finally around again 19:01:14 * pingou here 19:02:02 * nirik waits a minute for people to come in. 19:02:23 <swa_work> hi all 19:03:29 <linuxmania> that we say "here" means we are here to attend the meeting? 19:03:35 <linuxmania> hi everybody 19:03:37 <nirik> you can. ;) 19:04:01 * swa_work here 19:04:49 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:05:05 <nirik> any new folks want to say hi and introduce themselves? or anyone have questions or comments? 19:05:12 * SmootherFrOgZ is around 19:05:40 <linuxmania> yes, i am a newbie. I would like to introduce myself to everyone. 19:06:06 <jerrycan321> Hi - I'm new here, and just here to see what happens and where I can help. 19:06:22 <nirik> welcome linuxmania and jerrycan321. Are you more interested in sysadmin type tasks or application development ? 19:07:06 <linuxmania> could you please describe those two in more details? 19:07:27 <smooge> is here but distracted 19:07:49 <nirik> sysadmin's do scripting and managing running hosts, app development is working on the applications we run... pkgdb, etc... 19:08:03 <nirik> it's perfectly fine to be interested in both. ;) 19:08:15 <jerrycan321> Either are of interest, but I have not been a programmer for quite a while. I guess sysadmin, then I can get to see where things might need fixing, and go from there. 19:08:29 <linuxmania> got it. I think i like app development more. 19:08:58 <nirik> cool. 19:09:18 <nirik> see me in #fedora-meeting or the apps folks in #fedora-apps after the meeting and we can point you in the right direction. 19:09:27 <nirik> note that many of our apps folks are at pycon right now... 19:09:36 <puiterwijk> nirik: I think you meant #fedora-admin? ;) 19:09:45 <nirik> sorry, yes. 19:10:06 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:10:17 <nirik> ok, probibly not too much here this week, but a few things... 19:10:24 <nirik> #info fedocal is moving to staging. 19:10:33 <nirik> #info blockerbugs qa app is moving to staging. 19:10:35 <pingou> I got some work done this week(-end), fedocal, pkgdb2, taggerapi 19:10:46 <swa_work> I'd like to introduce myself; my name is Steven Acres, I've been a Solaris/Linux sysadmin for 10 yrs and was actively involved with the OpenSolaris project as well 19:11:14 <linuxmania> ok, no problem. I will see you at #fedora-admin, nirik. 19:11:20 <pingou> btw skvidal there is a question where your input would be nice on copr-devel about the interest of having a hash for the api login (in addition to the api token) 19:11:39 <skvidal> pingou: I'll take a look - I didn't see it before 19:11:44 <pingou> skvidal: thanks 19:11:46 <nirik> swa_work: welcome! 19:11:54 <swa_work> thanks nirik ! 19:12:11 <nirik> swa_work: you also interested in the sysadmin side of things? or apps too? 19:12:12 <puiterwijk> #info currently we have a temporary openid provider setup for the old uri, will disappear soon 19:12:19 <pingou> together with threebean and hughsie, we've been working on taggerapi: http://209.132.184.171/ 19:12:46 <pingou> eventually, the current tagger will come on the top of this api 19:13:14 <swa_work> nirik, more sysadmin ; I can roll rpms, etc. when needed 19:13:20 <pingou> and this api supports rating in addition to tagging 19:14:17 <swa_work> although I've not worked with koji or buildsystems as such 19:14:40 <swa_work> well ..the opensuse abit when I was with Novell/Platespin 19:14:40 <nirik> cool. 19:15:01 <nirik> swa_work: we just mostly keep koji running along... not much internal development on it. ;) 19:15:08 <nirik> any other application news? 19:15:25 <relrod> I'm working on ansible gitlab playbooks for skvidal :P 19:15:26 <axil42> greetings:) 19:15:35 <skvidal> s/skvidal/fedora/ 19:15:53 <puiterwijk> one request for anyone 19:15:54 <relrod> well, s/for/as asked by/ 19:15:56 <relrod> ;) 19:15:57 <nirik> yeah, will be nice to prevew it. 19:16:06 <puiterwijk> in case there are any problems with FAS-OpenID, please redirect those to me ;) 19:16:18 <relrod> skvidal: sorry, wasn't trying to pin it on you or anything 19:16:25 <skvidal> relrod: :) 19:16:28 <skvidal> relrod: not upset 19:16:33 <nirik> puiterwijk: I've not see any issues since we setup the legacy provider. ;) 19:16:35 <skvidal> relrod: I was being flippant :) 19:16:44 <skvidal> relrod: no worries 19:16:46 <puiterwijk> nirik: I did, today a question on askbot ;) 19:16:49 <nirik> #info relrod making a dev gitlab instance to look at. 19:16:57 <nirik> puiterwijk: oh? where at? 19:17:01 <swa_work> apologies for not introducing myself first the infra list; my work has been hectic lately 19:17:07 <puiterwijk> nirik: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/23922/i-cant-logging-using-fedora-ac… 19:17:20 <nirik> swa_work: no problem, we all very much understand that. ;) 19:17:37 <swa_work> cool, thanks 19:17:38 <nirik> puiterwijk: ah yeah, that was an old one and I modified my answer, it had the incorrect link in it. 19:17:53 <nirik> or wait, thats a different one 19:17:53 <puiterwijk> nirik: your answer? 19:18:08 <puiterwijk> yeah, I asked them to contact me 19:18:23 <axil42> swa_work: you are Harish? 19:19:54 <nirik> puiterwijk: there was another question about how to login with openid... and I had the old url in my answer, someone mentioned it to me and I edited it. 19:20:02 <nirik> anyhow, shall we move on... 19:20:04 <puiterwijk> nirik: ah, ok 19:20:07 <puiterwijk> sure 19:20:10 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:20:13 <swa_work> no axil42 ; Steven Acres http://blog.swatteksystems.com ; swa on fas 19:20:23 <nirik> lets see... 19:20:44 <axil42> oh sorry, thought you were the guy who sent to the list about gsoc and gitlab 19:21:02 <swa_work> np, I knew who you meant ;D 19:21:20 <nirik> not too much sysadmin news I can recall. ;) We are poking at ansible some more to get it up to speed 19:21:21 <axil42> Basically I'm here for this reason :) 19:21:37 <skvidal> nirik: speaking of that 19:21:43 <nirik> There were some important updates to puppet and such, which got applied. 19:21:59 <skvidal> I had lunch with mdehaan today. we spoke about ansible commander some - which should be seeing an alpha release very soon 19:22:13 <nirik> excellent. Thats the web management? or ? 19:23:49 <nirik> https://github.com/mpdehaan/ansible-commander 19:24:21 <skvidal> nirik: it's more than web 19:24:24 <skvidal> it is a web interface 19:24:26 <skvidal> which is _fine_ 19:24:30 <skvidal> but the idea is this 19:24:43 <skvidal> web interface commits to a git repo from the interface for playbook editing, etc 19:24:51 <skvidal> but also is a scheduler for playbook executions 19:25:10 <skvidal> so you can say 'run these playbooks every N hours, in parallel' 19:25:21 <nirik> nice. 19:25:27 <skvidal> so the web app 19:25:36 <skvidal> will have(does?) have a rest api 19:25:45 <nirik> excellent. 19:25:46 <skvidal> so telling it to do things from a cli should be possible 19:25:51 * pingou likes 19:26:37 <nirik> nice. Look forward to it. 19:26:59 <skvidal> me too 19:27:12 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:27:12 <skvidal> the licensing on it is opensource - not sure which one yet 19:27:19 <skvidal> but I was assured nothing offensive :) 19:27:20 <nirik> excellent. 19:27:25 <nirik> skvidal: oh, how does it do auth? 19:27:27 <nirik> or does it? 19:27:34 <skvidal> nirik: I have no idea :) - probably apache does it? 19:27:38 <skvidal> I know the app base is django? 19:27:39 <skvidal> so.. 19:27:42 <pingou> :'( 19:27:47 <skvidal> pingou: why is that sad? 19:27:49 <pingou> sorry :) 19:28:04 <relrod> according to the readme, it's gplv3, fwiw 19:28:50 <skvidal> relrod: that may or may not be the most current 19:28:54 <skvidal> but it probably is 19:29:04 <skvidal> I didn't ask which github branch was the right one 19:29:08 <nirik> ok, any cloud news this week? I think we are pretty much migrated to the openstack cloudlet aside from a few stragglers. 19:29:23 <skvidal> nirik: stragglers are left 19:29:34 <skvidal> nirik: the jenkins issue with the external ips 19:29:48 <skvidal> is still outstanding - beagles - in openstack team inside is looking at it - no resolution yet 19:30:02 <skvidal> we can step around it using the internal ips for sshing into the hosts 19:30:05 <skvidal> which works just fine 19:30:05 <pingou> skvidal: btw, why is only the el6 node concerned? different cloudlet b/w el and fedora builder? 19:30:14 <skvidal> pingou: we have 4 compute nodes 19:30:21 <skvidal> if 2 instances 19:30:23 <skvidal> are on the same node 19:30:31 <skvidal> then they cannot talk to one another using their EXTERNAL ip 19:30:36 <skvidal> they CAN using their INTERNAL ip 19:30:38 <skvidal> so 19:30:41 <skvidal> jenkins-master 19:30:45 <skvidal> and jenkins-el6 19:30:49 <skvidal> happen to be on the same compute node 19:30:53 <skvidal> that's why it is happening 19:30:55 <pingou> ok 19:30:58 <skvidal> pingou: does that explain it? 19:31:26 <nirik> I still need to go over whats left on our 'move to production' list. 19:31:28 <pingou> and the problem is to determine at build time if two instances are on the same node or not to adjust the IP accordingly, right? 19:31:30 <nirik> I'll try and do that soon. 19:31:39 <skvidal> pingou: we can just use the internal ip 19:31:46 <skvidal> pingou: but in the long run that's not a fabulous solution 19:31:54 <skvidal> b/c afaict I cannot assign floating internal ips 19:31:55 <pingou> skvidal: yes 19:31:57 <skvidal> so they are consistent 19:32:05 <skvidal> pingou: but if you'd like it working right now 19:32:09 <skvidal> I can just change the ips in thje jenkins config 19:32:13 <skvidal> and it will just work 19:32:14 <skvidal> poof 19:32:35 <nirik> seems like a ok workaround for now 19:32:35 <pingou> skvidal: one project is using the el6 builder, so yes, we should update the IP in the config file 19:32:40 <skvidal> pingou: wilco 19:32:42 <skvidal> doing right now 19:32:46 <pingou> skvidal: thanks 19:32:48 <nirik> excellent. :) 19:32:55 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:33:08 <nirik> ready for info-dump: 19:33:12 <nirik> #info 2013-03-12 to 2013-03-21 pycon 19:33:12 <nirik> #info 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update 19:33:12 <nirik> #info 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. 19:33:12 <nirik> #info 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze 19:33:12 <nirik> #info 2013-04-15 - remove legacy-openid 19:33:13 <nirik> #info 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release 19:33:15 <nirik> #info 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze 19:33:16 <nirik> #info 2013-05-21 F19 beta release 19:33:18 <nirik> #info 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter 19:33:20 <nirik> #info 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. 19:33:22 <nirik> #info 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release 19:33:24 <nirik> anything else folks would like to schedule, note or amend? 19:33:33 <pingou> end of quarter is past? 19:33:55 <pingou> nm, it is 19:34:08 <nirik> yep 19:34:16 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:34:25 <nirik> any one have anything for open floor? 19:34:30 <nirik> questions, comments, suggestions, ? 19:34:33 <skvidal> we need help in coprs 19:34:36 <skvidal> if any of the new folks 19:34:39 <skvidal> want to work on an app 19:34:42 <nirik> #info help needed for coprs 19:34:43 <skvidal> and are familiar with python 19:34:56 <skvidal> PLEASE come by #fedora-apps and yell at me or pingou 19:35:05 <pingou> skvidal: we need to document the code and the workflow :) 19:35:16 <nirik> #info coprs helpers see pingou or skvidal in #fedora-apps to help out. 19:35:22 <skvidal> pingou: yes 19:35:26 <skvidal> pingou: I agree 19:35:41 <nirik> FYI, copr's is a setup to let people build collections of packages... 19:35:43 <linuxmania> skvidal, i would like to help, but i never try using python before. 19:36:25 <linuxmania> and do you think if i start learning python, my skills could be solid enough to contribute the project? 19:37:22 <linuxmania> i am not sure. But if you think it is not a very difficult language, i think i will give it a try. 19:38:02 <puiterwijk> linuxmania: python is a pretty easy language if you have already programmed in another language ;) 19:38:07 <pingou> linuxmania: if you have some programming experience and know the basis of object oriented, python shouldn't be to hard 19:39:33 <nirik> ok, anything further, or shall we call it a meeting? 19:40:36 <linuxmania> pingou, puiterwijk. thank you both, then i will find some tutorial and see what it looks like. 19:40:54 <nirik> linuxmania: feel free to ask in #fedora-apps for pointers too. 19:41:44 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone! 19:41:46 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2013-03-14)
by Akira TAGOH 14 Mar '13

14 Mar '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:06:20 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-14/i18n.2013-03-14-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:06:21) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-14 (tagoh_, 06:06:21) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:08:55) * 0213-03-21 Test_Day: Gnome 3.8 (tagoh_, 06:08:56) * 2013-04-02 Branch Freeze (tagoh_, 06:08:56) * 2013-04-02 Software String Freeze (tagoh_, 06:08:57) * 2013-04-02 Alpha Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:08:57) * 2013-04-11 Test_Day: Translation (l10n) (tagoh_, 06:08:58) * 2013-04-16 Alpha Release (tagoh_, 06:08:59) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8 (tagoh_, 06:11:16) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:14:43) * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:14:44) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16 (tagoh_, 06:14:45) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n) (tagoh_, 06:15:19) * #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:35:38) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18 (tagoh_, 06:35:38) * Outstanding task (tagoh_, 06:45:58) * #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno) (tagoh_, 06:45:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15 (tagoh_, 06:45:59) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:54:08) Meeting ended at 06:57:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (73) * juhp (20) * dueno (5) * pravins (5) * zodbot (3) * mfabian (2) * paragan (2) * anish__ (2) * epico (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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EMEA ambassadors meeting minutes 2013-03-13
by Jiri Eischmann 13 Mar '13

13 Mar '13

Hi, we had another EMEA ambassadors meeting tonight. It lasted 1 hour and 34 minutes and 17 ambassadors attended. Read the meeting minutes if you want to know more: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-13/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-13/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-13/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be on March 28th. Meet you in two weeks! Jiri

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2013-03-13
by Paul Whalen 13 Mar '13

13 Mar '13

Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-13/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-13/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-13/fedora-meeting… Paul =================================================== #fedora-meeting-1: Fedora ARM weekly status meeting =================================================== Meeting started by pwhalen at 20:00:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-13/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting (pwhalen, 20:03:45) * - INPROGRESS - pbrobinson/bconoboy investigating tog-pegasus - testsuite hangs, needs a BZ filed (pwhalen, 20:04:07) * - INPROGRESS - bconoboy and dmarlin to do before/after patchify builds on critical path packages to demonstrate safety - Patches posted to the list for feedback (pwhalen, 20:04:37) * - bconoboy to write fesco ticket (waiting on package analysis) (pwhalen, 20:05:00) * - COMPLETE - jonmasters to followup with what Debian and OpenSuSE did for automated patching - They did not automate patching. (pwhalen, 20:05:12) * - INPROGRESS - jonmasters to reply to the fedora list with his dtb idea (pwhalen, 20:05:54) * LINK: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-06/fedora-meeting… (masta, 20:06:01) * 1) Problem Packages (pwhalen, 20:08:54) * problem packages - tog-pegasus, java, python-pillow (pwhalen, 20:13:18) * 2) Aarch64 patching (pwhalen, 20:17:04) * bconoboy sent aarch64 patches to pbrobinson and dgilmore for feedback. (pwhalen, 20:21:50) * ACTION: pbrobinson/dgilmore to provide feedback on aarch64 patches (pwhalen, 20:22:09) * ACTION: ahs3 to do another package scan this evening for aarch64 patching, send to the list for review (pwhalen, 20:25:51) * 3) Creating test candidate images for F19 (pwhalen, 20:28:51) * 4) Release Criteria - changes required for ARM (pwhalen, 20:31:24) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_alpha_criteria_sandbox (pwhalen, 20:32:27) * 5) Open Floor (pwhalen, 20:40:11) Meeting ended at 20:44:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pbrobinson/dgilmore to provide feedback on aarch64 patches * ahs3 to do another package scan this evening for aarch64 patching, send to the list for review Action Items, by person ----------------------- * ahs3 * ahs3 to do another package scan this evening for aarch64 patching, send to the list for review * dgilmore * pbrobinson/dgilmore to provide feedback on aarch64 patches * pbrobinson * pbrobinson/dgilmore to provide feedback on aarch64 patches * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pwhalen (54) * ahs3 (11) * zodbot (9) * bconoboy (8) * masta (6) * nirik (5) * dmarlin (4) * jonmasters (3) * oatley (1) * pbrobinson (0) * ctyler (0) * dgilmore (0)

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F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #1 Minutes
by Tim Flink 13 Mar '13

13 Mar '13

================================================= #fedora-blocker-review: f19alpha-blocker-review-1 ================================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-13/f19alpha-… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-13/f19alpha-… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-blocker-review/2013-03-13/f19alpha-… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 17:02:30) * Introduction (tflink, 17:08:58) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 17:09:08) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 17:09:16) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 17:09:16) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 17:09:22) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 17:09:22) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 17:09:28) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:09:28) * Up for review today, we have: (tflink, 17:09:53) * 2 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:09:59) * 0 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 17:09:59) * 1 Proposed Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 17:09:59) * 0 Accepted Freeze Exceptions (tflink, 17:09:59) * (919743) gdm unusable on old video card (tflink, 17:10:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919743 (tflink, 17:10:48) * Proposed Blocker, gdm, NEW (tflink, 17:10:48) * for F19, firstboot is now called initial setup (tflink, 17:15:31) * AGREED: 919743 - We suspect that this is a more general problem not limited to older graphics hardware - will revisit at the next meeting after more triage work has been done (tflink, 17:27:03) * (909473) Fail whale page appears after logging in (tflink, 17:27:20) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=909473 (tflink, 17:27:20) * Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW (tflink, 17:27:20) * AGREED: 909473 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedFreezeException - With gnome 3.8, the non-3d-accelerated option is being removed and blacklisted cards don't fallback to llvmpipe making them unusable with gnome. While not quite an alpha issue due to the limited amount of hw affected, a tested fix would be considered after F19 alpha freeze (tflink, 17:44:30) * (894110) The "standard" comps group could use a bit of spring cleaning (tflink, 17:46:12) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=894110 (tflink, 17:46:15) * Proposed Freeze Exceptions, comps, NEW (tflink, 17:46:17) * AGREED: 894110 - RejectedFreezeException - This bug does not meet the requirements of a FE and should be tracked like a normal bug. (tflink, 17:50:07) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:50:23) Meeting ended at 17:57:57 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (96) * jreznik (30) * adamw (27) * kparal (15) * nirik (12) * zodbot (4) * satellit_e (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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FAmNA Meeting (12 March 2013)
by Dan Mashal 12 Mar '13

12 Mar '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by dan408 at 01:02:53 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-13/famna.2013-03-13… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (dan408, 01:03:05) * Announcements (dan408, 01:08:19) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2013 (award3535, 01:09:37) * LINK: https://us.pycon.org/2013/ (dan408, 01:12:45) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (dan408, 01:16:28) * Tickets (dan408, 01:17:03) * ACTION: rbergeron to update the trac ticket on this (dan408, 01:24:08) * Open Floor (dan408, 01:26:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/prefs (dan408, 01:35:16) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna (dan408, 01:37:04) Meeting ended at 02:00:54 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to update the trac ticket on this Action Items, by person ----------------------- * rbergeron * rbergeron to update the trac ticket on this * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (190) * chanchito (63) * award3535 (35) * inode0 (33) * nb (14) * zodbot (11) * lcameron (2) * tuanta (1) * lh (1) * Southern_Gentlem (0) * rbergeron (0) Dan

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Compte rendu de la réunion du mardi 12 mars 2013
by Kévin Raymond 12 Mar '13

12 Mar '13

Bonsoir, Le compte rendu de la réunion est disponible là : http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-12/fedora-fr.2013… Pour rappel, ces réunions sont ouvertes à tous et l'ordre du jour peut-être modifié : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/R%C3%A9unions_hebdomadaires_de_la_French_team -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

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2013-03-11 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130311 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-03-18 at 1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130318 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * adamw to push the blocker meeting changes live this week - this was done[1], and the next review meeting will be in #fedora-blocker-review. nirik will make #fedora-bugzappers redirect to #fedora-qa for now * viking-ice or adamw to file a trac ticket for the smoke-test-for-spins idea - this was done by adamw[2] * adamw to propose RATS/TC1 dates on the list - this was done[3] and would be discussed later * tflink to announce first blocker meeting for wednesday, and get blocker bug tracker app ready - meeting was cancelled due to lack of bugs, but the app is ready * jreznik to pencil in QA changes as discussed - this was done, we will finalize the changes during the meeting * adamw to draft up changes to the test day process docs to accommodate test days being on any day, test day co-ordinator to ensure they're balanced out - this was put into production immediately[4] as it turned out to be a small change TOPIC: Fedora 19 schedule ======================================================================= * The proposed image compose schedule for Fedora 19[5] was acceptable to all, jreznik will make it 'final' TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * We'll need to do some special care and feeding of a KDE test day image for this week * Other proposed topics left till next week TOPIC: Criteria re-design ======================================================================= * adamw's proposal[6] was discussed: generally positive response * There was some discussion of numbering the criteria, j_dulaney withdrew the suggestion * pwhalen raised the topic of 'ARM friendliness', adam said he'd been working with that in mind to ensure the revamped criteria are easily applicable to ARM when it goes primary * adamw planned to keep working on refining the re-design TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * nirik noted his proposal to create a tracker bug for major Rawhide bugs[7] and proposal to revamp the Rawhide wiki page[8]. Both were generally positively received ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= * jreznik to ink in the proposed image schedule, and add a Test Day entry 1. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114175.html 2. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/363 3. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114176.html 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114194.html 5. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114176.html 6. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114198.html 7. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-March/114231.html 8. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-March/179597.html -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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FAmSCo meeting 2013-03-11 minutes
by Jiri Eischmann 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

Hi everyone, we had another regular FAmSCo meeting. If you want to know more, read the minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-03-11/famsco.2013-03… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-03-11/famsco.2013-03… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-03-11/famsco.2013-03… Jiri

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Docs Project Meeting Summary
by Pete Travis 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We had a meeting today, here are some highlights: - - jreznik wants out input on the planning process at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mmaslano/Feature_process . Please reply to his last mail to the list with any thoughts. - - When we figure out how our publishing process is going to work, we will have to document it. - - The F19 schedule is out, and we are part of it. Please work it into your personal calendaring solution. - - We're getting closer to shipping RPMs in the user repos, but the best way to do so is debatable. - - Sparks is liberating a lot of security related articles and such. - - Fedora Magazine is happening, somewhere. The overview is at: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora- meeting/2013-03-11/https:fedoraproject.orgwikidocs_project_meetings.2013-03-11-14.01.html Logs and text in: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-11/ - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRPfkXAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2ZZrQH/jXY//mYa3xo/zS2dY171rbB dLapLHKX6Z3/H8NrUvXAUltp9Ena2rAckoS4NIlBH1WiUAHUIAXmiy1TvNgaw492 Da+Ag6ovPryiqvWVhpYIMdMELTyCexFr+MSNck9yEP1Tn7mYa8qVAToevYj7e4Py M2gz5ottEABaz2kjhn/LZ2RYNsFm8md3h6Nx/xIyQsFs+tHAkJJLP4Bm0BKF/wWH 1vjrawGZgAIG506mYQ69t8hREgv4HRHOtzHSKpMl9J44iU8BHdjlWek+PhtOY85K 6LGkWjaBm9ZtgH6P0NNDHKSrKuN3bAP0xsUqcRgKGpMPxk6eD71Cyu++QhYnmYM= =N513 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-08)
by Alick Zhao 08 Mar '13

08 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at here[1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about offline gather up in Beijing in March, translation task, FUDCON 2014 bid, and so on. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-03-15). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-08/fedora_chinese_meetin… ## Meeting summary ## 点下名 (alick, 12:01:57) 检查之前会议的actions (alick, 12:09:10) 三月线下活动 (alick, 12:11:25) https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-cn-list/2013-March/msg00000.html (alick, 12:11:36) BJGUG 提议三月活动：邀请各个社区的活跃贡献者/志愿者来分享一下参与各个社区的必得，如何进行社区的工作或社区存在的问题 (alick, 12:12:36) 建议活动时间不晚于 3 月 22 (alick, 12:31:51) AGREED: 建议活动时间不晚于 3 月 22 (alick, 12:32:49) 中文翻译 (alick, 12:45:08) 目前翻译处于文档翻译阶段 (alick, 12:46:46) AGREED: 优先翻译的文档：UEFI, quick install guide, install guide 的部分章节 (alick, 12:50:24) FUDCON APAC 2014 bid (alick, 12:50:45) 已经确定 2013 APAC 木有 FUDCON (alick, 12:51:17) FUDCON APAC 2014 应该在 2014 年的 3 -- 5 月举办，不过可以宽限到8 月。 (alick, 12:52:55) AGREED: 考虑申办 FUDCON APAC 2014 (alick, 12:54:08) Fedora 使用交流 (alick, 12:54:50) http://penguintengil.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/solving-error-0-000000-fast-t… (alick, 13:06:19) Meeting ended at 13:12:46 UTC (full logs). Action items (none) People present (lines said) alick (93) lovenemesis (39) zsun (31) cicku (28) wankey (14) zodbot (13) kaio (7) marguerite (7) microcai (5) zhashuyu (4) BadGirl (3) kingheaven (1) CyrusYzGTt (0) gbraad (0) hers (0) Generated by MeetBot 0.1.4.

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-03-07)
by Kevin Fenzi 07 Mar '13

07 Mar '13

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-03-07) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:59:59 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-07/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome everyone (nirik, 18:59:59) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:28) * new folks would be advised to look into ansible. (nirik, 19:11:09) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:11:16) * fas-openid is now in production. Thanks puiterwijk. :) (nirik, 19:11:42) * fedmsg starting to be enabled for secondary arch compose processes. (nirik, 19:12:30) * fedmsg-notify blog post out there, hopefully more consumers (nirik, 19:14:03) * LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/haproxy/proxy01 (lmacken, 19:14:18) * LINK: http://lewk.org/blog/fedmsg-notify.html (pingou, 19:14:19) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:24:17) * ssmoogen reinstalled proxy01 as x86_64... (nirik, 19:25:18) * smooge is waiting to find out if physical memory arrived in PHX2 so we can give it to systesm (ssmoogen, 19:30:38) * Private Cloud status update / discussion (nirik, 19:34:17) * moving things into openstack cloudlet (nirik, 19:36:13) * will move some compute nodes from the other cloudlet over to it, and then have 2 nodes to continue testing other things with. (nirik, 19:36:53) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:39:33) * 2013-03-07 remove inactive apprentices. (nirik, 19:39:38) * 2013-03-12 to 2013-03-21 pycon (nirik, 19:39:39) * 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update (nirik, 19:39:39) * 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. (nirik, 19:39:39) * 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:39:39) * 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release (nirik, 19:39:40) * 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze (nirik, 19:39:41) * 2013-05-21 F19 beta release (nirik, 19:39:43) * 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter (nirik, 19:39:45) * 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. (nirik, 19:39:47) * 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release (nirik, 19:39:49) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:40:38) * idea: do some vfads and focus on specific areas to get them done. (nirik, 19:42:41) Meeting ended at 20:03:41 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (117) * skvidal (98) * abadger1999 (38) * lmacken (30) * pingou (24) * threebean (14) * blackdeerranger (9) * KasumiNinja (7) * ssmoogen (5) * zodbot (4) * Adran (4) * mdomsch (3) * cyberworm54 (3) * maayke (2) * samkottler (1) * SmootherFrOgZ (1) * puiterwijk (1) * smooge (0) * ricky (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:59:59 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-03-07) 18:59:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 7 18:59:59 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:59 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:59:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:59:59 <nirik> #topic welcome everyone 18:59:59 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 19:00:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 19:00:21 <nirik> who all is around for a infrastructure meeting? 19:00:23 * lmacken 19:00:35 * cyberworm54 here 19:00:37 * abadger1999 here 19:00:40 <blackdeerranger> here 19:00:41 * maayke here 19:00:48 <KasumiNinja> KasumiNinja here 19:01:11 * threebean is here 19:01:24 * nirik will wait another min for folks to wander in. 19:02:03 * pingou 19:02:22 <nirik> ok, I guess we can go ahead and dive in. ;) 19:02:28 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:02:42 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves? or apprentices with questions? 19:02:50 <blackdeerranger> me 19:02:52 <KasumiNinja> I'm new 19:03:06 <ssmoogen> here 19:03:12 * SmootherFrOgZ is here 19:03:21 <mdomsch> hola 19:03:27 <KasumiNinja> I work as a sysadmin and like to help fedora with sysadmin tasks 19:03:34 <nirik> blackdeerranger / KasumiNinja: welcome. ;) 19:03:39 <blackdeerranger> :) 19:03:47 <KasumiNinja> :-) 19:04:03 <nirik> blackdeerranger: are you also interested in sysadmin side of things? or more application development? 19:04:07 <KasumiNinja> I have no programming experience 19:04:21 <blackdeerranger> I typed my introduction here: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/4574/80565136/ 19:04:45 <blackdeerranger> I´m interested in sysadmin tasks 19:04:59 <nirik> one thing I'd like to mention here... I sent out my regular fi-apprentice feedback email and got some email back that highlighted how self driven we require people to be... 19:05:02 <blackdeerranger> I´m not a software developer 19:05:37 <nirik> cool. 19:06:13 <cyberworm54> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/4574/80565136/ 19:06:19 <cyberworm54> oops sorry :) 19:06:22 <nirik> I'm wondering if we want to try and change that focus any, or if there are ways to better communicate it to new folks so they don't get confused when no one is assigning them specific tasks and asking for updates all the time. 19:07:16 <nirik> perhaps I will start a discussion on the list around that, just wanted to mention it here. 19:07:18 <blackdeerranger> As I unterstand it is a good staring point to join "fi-apprentice " 19:07:22 <maayke> nirik: I will send you email tomorrow :) 19:07:28 <nirik> blackdeerranger: yeah. 19:07:33 <blackdeerranger> good 19:08:09 <nirik> the thing is that we are not setup to do heavy mentoring... so joining usually means the new person has to be very focused on just going and doing things and bugging people. 19:08:22 <KasumiNinja> works fine for me 19:08:25 * samkottler is just getting here 19:09:00 <skvidal> something worth mentioning 19:09:06 <nirik> anyhow, will post a thread to the list about it. ;) just brainstorming. 19:09:08 <skvidal> given where fedora infra is going with config mgmt and c&c 19:09:15 <skvidal> anyone interested in the sysadmin side of things 19:09:27 <skvidal> would be best served by going to ansible.cc 19:09:35 <skvidal> and trying it out for themselves to be familiar 19:09:44 <nirik> absolutely. ;) 19:09:54 <skvidal> we have lots of examples at: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/cgit/ansible.git/tree/ 19:10:08 <skvidal> but our examples are going to increasingly get more complicated, I suspect :) 19:10:28 <nirik> they always do. 19:10:29 <skvidal> so KasumiNinja, blackdeerranger: probably worth familiarizing yourself with this tool 19:10:55 <blackdeerranger> sounds interesting - thanks 19:11:09 <nirik> #info new folks would be advised to look into ansible. 19:11:16 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:11:29 <KasumiNinja> great I'll look into it 19:11:29 <nirik> any exciting application side news this week or upcoming? 19:11:38 * pingou has mainly be bothering threebean 19:11:42 <nirik> #info fas-openid is now in production. Thanks puiterwijk. :) 19:11:43 <pingou> been* 19:11:51 <skvidal> KasumiNinja, blackdeerranger: great 19:11:53 <pingou> \ó/ well done puiterwijk 19:12:06 <threebean> we *just* got our first fedmsg message out of the secondary arch compose process 19:12:10 <abadger1999> Three cheers for puiterwijk :-) 19:12:16 <threebean> puiterwijk++ 19:12:30 <nirik> #info fedmsg starting to be enabled for secondary arch compose processes. 19:12:48 <abadger1999> puiterwijk and I also discussed oauth to some length. I'm organizing that into a message to send to the list. 19:12:57 <lmacken> I announced the fedmsg-notify today, so we'll hopefully see a lot more consumers 19:13:08 <abadger1999> An oauth server is what I think his next project is going to be. 19:13:19 <lmacken> I also fixed some long-standing push ordering bugs in the bodhi masher last week 19:13:36 <nirik> lmacken: yeah. Great post. ;) 19:13:41 <lmacken> thanks ☺ 19:13:48 * Adran is here (late) 19:14:03 <nirik> #info fedmsg-notify blog post out there, hopefully more consumers 19:14:07 <pingou> nice lmacken 19:14:12 <nirik> lmacken: do we have any way to tell how many consumers there are? 19:14:18 <lmacken> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/haproxy/proxy01 19:14:19 <lmacken> and 02 19:14:19 <pingou> #link http://lewk.org/blog/fedmsg-notify.html 19:14:28 <lmacken> fedmsg-raw-zmq-outbound 19:14:29 <nirik> cool. 19:14:48 <pingou> lmacken: where is your blog plugin? 19:14:56 <lmacken> pingou: hrm? 19:15:02 <nirik> abadger1999: related. Have we given any thought about further expanding our 2 factor stuff to web apps or other places? Or haven't really explored that yet. 19:15:07 <abadger1999> mdomsch: Question -- is python-GeoIP still needed for mirrormanager? I noticed that it was orphaned in Fedora/EPEL. 19:15:11 <pingou> lmacken: I saw tour twitter feed on your blog and I went... :) 19:15:45 <abadger1999> nirik: yes -- SmootherFrOgZ has been working up a patch to do 2-factor login to fas and support in python-fedora to take advantage of that. 19:15:53 <mdomsch> abadger1999: yep - largely used. I'll have to go adopt it 19:15:58 <abadger1999> nirik: I think that'll give us the first step. 19:16:28 <nirik> abadger1999: ah ha. I was confused as to what that work was about. Good. 19:16:38 <abadger1999> mdomsch: Cool. If you need help, feel free to add me as a comaintainer and I'll put it on my once a cycle, look for updates list. 19:16:43 <nirik> note that also fas-openid has that PAPE plugin we could use for openid consuming applications. 19:16:49 <abadger1999> nirik: His work will be a first step. 19:17:03 <abadger1999> There's lots of other things that need to happen before it's "real" 19:17:21 <abadger1999> ie: at first we'll have both the single factor and 2-factor login. 19:17:28 <nirik> sure, yeah 19:17:36 <abadger1999> so you could circumvent by simply going to the other login page. 19:17:58 <abadger1999> But first we get it working, then we make it mandatory for some people. 19:18:08 * nirik nods. 19:18:16 <abadger1999> So -- continuing to make progress :-) 19:18:20 <lmacken> not sure if it was talked about last week, but we hit yet an issue with our tg1 apps where they would just silently block all requests. It happened after some dns change, but hopefully this change will fix it in the future. https://github.com/fedora-infra/python-fedora/pull/18 19:18:20 <nirik> also, that would only be yubikey? 19:18:49 <abadger1999> nirik: yeah -- since fas only knows about yubikey at this point. 19:18:54 <nirik> lmacken: ah yes, thanks for finding that. ;) We should try and get that fix rolled out to production... 19:18:58 <abadger1999> It's another thing we'll have to do to get this good to go. 19:19:13 <Adran> abadger1999: I might poke you later, I'd be interested in seeing if Google Authenticator could work, maybe I can work on something. 19:19:44 <abadger1999> Adran: cool. It should. We just have to integrate it more tightly with fas (we have basically a separate google authenticator setup right now) 19:19:54 <Adran> Ah. 19:20:01 <skvidal> Adran: could work where? we have support for google auth in totpcgi - it's available - just not integrated to fas 19:20:05 <skvidal> Adran: yes - what abadger1999 said :) 19:20:22 <nirik> so, next week is fudcon... how many of you will be out there? 19:20:24 <Adran> skvidal: Right. Maybe it can be integrated? :) 19:20:51 <threebean> nirik: s/fudcon/pycon/ 19:20:58 <threebean> I'll be there :) 19:21:00 <nirik> yeah, sorry, brain failure. ;) 19:21:01 <lmacken> me too 19:21:50 <nirik> so, suggestion: we may want to be cautious about application changes tomorrow/the weekend... just so things are not possibly unstable with all you folks gone. ;) 19:22:37 <nirik> and hopefully you all have safe travels. :) 19:22:55 <nirik> any other application news? 19:23:10 <threebean> pingou started a really good conversation with hughsie about integrating tagger with AppStream 19:23:30 <threebean> and he's already written some code for it today. 19:23:38 <threebean> Pretty exciting. :) 19:23:40 <nirik> cool. I saw some of that. 19:23:46 <nirik> I haven't looked at appstream yet much... 19:24:17 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:24:25 <abadger1999> I'll be there 19:25:03 <nirik> so, lets see... not too much on the sysadmin side that I can recall in detail. ;) 19:25:14 <skvidal> nirik: a few things 19:25:18 <nirik> #info ssmoogen reinstalled proxy01 as x86_64... 19:25:27 <nirik> (which is good, since it now matches all the other proxies) 19:25:32 <ssmoogen> and I think it worked 19:25:32 <skvidal> 1. we've been moving ahead on the ansible conversion 19:25:46 * mdomsch is going to need mmbapp01 to be x86_64 too due to s3cmd memory usage 19:25:59 <skvidal> 2. I've added a path lookup plugin to ansible that will allow us to have lookups for staging then production like we do now in puppet 19:26:19 <threebean> nice! 19:26:31 <pingou> very nice 19:26:36 <nirik> skvidal: yep. :) we need to test out some workflow there/make some simple playbooks for simple hosts to test things out. 19:26:48 <nirik> mdomsch: :( oh well... we can do that. 19:26:51 <skvidal> 3. more things moving into openstack and we're already running into limits of our available resources 19:27:11 <pingou> oh :( 19:27:14 <skvidal> I have 4 more instances to finish transitioning and then we can start moving systems over to increase the available resources 19:27:30 <skvidal> which is great b/c that should double our available resources 19:28:01 <skvidal> nirik: for later - we might consider tinkering with multiple availability zones and osuosl02 19:28:04 <nirik> and add cinder volumes from each of the compute nodes. 19:28:15 <nirik> yep. That would be great. 19:29:02 <nirik> so, that bug that lmacken mentioned earlier... I was wondering, should we make app servers depend on their local proxy ? 19:29:19 <nirik> right now they hit admin.fedoraproject.org, which is dns round robin for all of them. 19:29:28 <nirik> but if they talked to their local proxy it might be faster. 19:29:36 <nirik> and also if that proxy is down, then likely they are too. 19:29:59 <lmacken> so appX->proxyX? 19:30:34 <nirik> yeah. 19:30:38 <ssmoogen> #info smooge is waiting to find out if physical memory arrived in PHX2 so we can give it to systesm 19:30:42 <nirik> app01/02/03/04 would hit proxy01 19:31:32 <nirik> anyhow, it's a thought. I don't think it's urgent. 19:31:46 <skvidal> nirik: query on this 19:32:04 <skvidal> would it make more sense for us to pursue the above? or for us to pursue breaking all the apps out? 19:32:36 <nirik> well, the above is pretty trivial if we want to do it. ;) Breaking apps out is still a longer term thing we really must do, IMHO. 19:32:54 <skvidal> nirik: fair enough.. 19:33:02 <skvidal> if the proxies were running next to the app servers 19:33:07 <skvidal> like on the same hw 19:33:10 <skvidal> I';m inclined to say yes 19:33:22 <nirik> and I think breaking apps out kinda wants ansible to be ready to handle those apps. 19:33:25 <skvidal> but we don't really want an outage on proxy01 to kill the app servers 19:33:35 <nirik> yeah, true. 19:33:50 <nirik> well, lets leave it for now... 19:34:17 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update / discussion 19:34:20 <abadger1999> About the private cloud -- does this mean we're going to just use openstack going forward? 19:34:24 <nirik> we already hit on some of this above... 19:34:33 <skvidal> abadger1999: so right now here is what we have discussed 19:34:43 <skvidal> abadger1999: 1. moving the instances we have over to openstack 19:34:54 <skvidal> 2. moving 2 of the compute nodes over to openstack for additional resources 19:35:04 <skvidal> 3. taking the remaining 2 machines for other prototyping/testing 19:35:22 <skvidal> whether 3 is of openstack or of $something_else is really up to later discussion/decision 19:35:32 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:36:03 <ssmoogen> would adding another proxy to phx2 help? 19:36:07 <abadger1999> Okay so it seems like our "production" services are moving openstack but we're still testing out the alternatives ? 19:36:13 <nirik> #info moving things into openstack cloudlet 19:36:53 <nirik> #info will move some compute nodes from the other cloudlet over to it, and then have 2 nodes to continue testing other things with. 19:37:08 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah, or possibly we will use the other 2 to test the next openstack version... 19:37:14 <abadger1999> <nod> 19:38:08 <nirik> I think we can knock a bunch of things off our 'need to figure out before production' list now too. 19:38:24 <nirik> I'll look at cleaning up the wiki page on that, since I think we solved or decided many of them 19:38:50 <nirik> anything else on cloudlets? 19:39:04 <skvidal> no - but I had something for openfloor when that happens 19:39:28 <nirik> ok 19:39:33 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:39:38 <nirik> #info 2013-03-07 remove inactive apprentices. 19:39:39 <nirik> #info 2013-03-12 to 2013-03-21 pycon 19:39:39 <nirik> #info 2013-03-19 to 2013-03-26 - koji update 19:39:39 <nirik> #info 2013-03-29 - spring holiday. 19:39:39 <nirik> #info 2013-04-02 to 2013-04-16 ALPHA infrastructure freeze 19:39:40 <nirik> #info 2013-04-16 F19 alpha release 19:39:41 <nirik> #info 2013-05-07 to 2013-05-21 BETA infrastructure freeze 19:39:43 <nirik> #info 2013-05-21 F19 beta release 19:39:45 <nirik> #info 2013-05-31 end of 1st quarter 19:39:47 <nirik> #info 2013-06-11 to 2013-06-25 FINAL infrastructure freeze. 19:39:49 <nirik> #info 2013-06-25 F19 FINAL release 19:39:51 <nirik> anything anyone would like to schedule or note? 19:40:11 <nirik> we have a little less than a month until alpha freeze. 19:40:38 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:40:42 <nirik> skvidal: you had something? 19:40:45 <skvidal> yah 19:40:53 <skvidal> something I was thinking about 19:40:53 <pingou> I sent somethings about jenkins, feedbacks welcome :) 19:41:01 <skvidal> in any given week we're all working on a billion things 19:41:06 <nirik> pingou: yeah, I have it marked to reply to. ;) Thanks. 19:41:15 <skvidal> and I was wondering if there was any thought to doing something like a virtual fad week 19:41:26 <skvidal> where we intend to focus on a few tasks and get them done 19:41:31 <nirik> skvidal: focusing on one area? 19:41:33 <pingou> sounds nice 19:41:34 <nirik> yeah. 19:41:35 <skvidal> right 19:41:39 <skvidal> we all are on irc 19:41:42 <skvidal> and most of the time all day long 19:41:55 <nirik> I think that kind of thing is very effective if we plan exactly what we want to try and do. 19:41:55 <skvidal> it seems like it would be very possible to schedulea vfad 19:41:57 <pingou> and most of us in a close timezone :) 19:42:00 <nirik> and make sure the needed people are available 19:42:09 <skvidal> hell, tie us toigether using a google hangout if need be 19:42:18 * threebean nods 19:42:20 <skvidal> but announce that we will be focused on one thing 19:42:28 <skvidal> and unavailable for random-ass pings 19:42:41 <nirik> #info idea: do some vfads and focus on specific areas to get them done. 19:42:48 <skvidal> I liked that we were able to knock out a specific problem last year for the 2fa fad 19:42:57 <skvidal> and I think we should try it w/o the relocation 19:43:10 <skvidal> so what subjects would be things we could knock out? 19:43:20 <nirik> application logging? 19:43:27 * lmacken was just about to say that :P 19:43:30 <pingou> 2fa app wise 19:43:30 <threebean> perfect 19:43:53 <lmacken> breaking apps out 19:43:53 <skvidal> what else? 19:44:13 <threebean> ansible migration 19:44:43 <pingou> CLI logins for our web-app 19:44:47 <nirik> fedorahosted-ng 19:44:58 <pingou> but that comes back to the discussion abadger1999 wants to start :) 19:45:15 <lmacken> IDS 19:45:26 <pingou> IDS? 19:45:31 <lmacken> intrusion detection system 19:45:46 <pingou> ah, cool 19:45:48 * skvidal is making a list 19:45:51 <nirik> identify and plan how to get rid of our SPOF. 19:45:56 <skvidal> the db? 19:46:04 <skvidal> db-replication 19:46:11 <nirik> db's are a big one. 19:46:18 <pingou> spof? 19:46:19 <nirik> there might be other things tho. 19:46:24 <skvidal> single point of failure 19:46:26 <abadger1999> <nod> I'd love to have some FADs on 2-fa and oauth. 19:46:27 <nirik> sorry, single point of failure. 19:46:34 <abadger1999> oauth needs some discussion first. 19:47:08 <abadger1999> 2-fa is closer to having a solid plan where a FAD type setting would really help 19:47:42 <skvidal> okay that's a good list start 19:47:43 <abadger1999> lmacken, for app logging -- do we know how to fix the problems we have? 19:48:04 * abadger1999 still hasn't found any reason we aren't getting all tracebacks in our logs. 19:48:35 <lmacken> abadger1999: I didn't know tracebacks were not appearing. Could be a few things. 19:48:49 <lmacken> I'd love to experiment with https://github.com/ryanpetrello/canary 19:49:12 <abadger1999> lmacken: that's like my number 1 problem with app logging since 2007 or so :-) 19:49:18 <pingou> spof? 19:49:20 <pingou> sorry 19:49:25 <lmacken> hmm, probably a simple ini or wsgi config tweak honestly 19:49:36 <nirik> getting all the data is a good first step, then to fix/reduce so it only tells us about real errors... 19:49:36 <ssmoogen> single point of failure 19:49:41 <skvidal> pingou: places where if that server/service dies then everything dies 19:49:52 <skvidal> nirik: I'll add another item to our list 19:49:53 <skvidal> nirik: nagios 19:50:01 <nirik> I know some apps really send a ton of stuff... I think fas sends to error_log on every successfull login. 19:50:18 <nirik> yeah. I have done some work on nagios, but there is more to plan out and do. 19:50:25 <pingou> skvidal: I hit arrow up/enter in the wrong window, sorry for the noise 19:50:37 <skvidal> pingou: oh - I thought you were still wondering what that means 19:50:57 <abadger1999> lmacken: I would think so... but I know you've looked at it a ton of times nad we've only succeeded in over logging things that we don't care about :-/ 19:51:47 <nirik> I'd love to get to the point where someone says "hey, I just hit $app and got a 500" and we can easily see a traceback to attach to a ticket about it. ;) 19:52:02 <skvidal> so 19:52:05 <lmacken> abadger1999: potential pycon hackfest item :) 19:52:05 <skvidal> wrt app logging 19:52:10 <skvidal> it seems, to me, somewhat obvious 19:52:14 <skvidal> that if we break out app servers 19:52:18 <skvidal> logging becomes A LOT simpler 19:52:21 <nirik> yep. 19:52:22 <skvidal> doesn't it? 19:52:34 <nirik> if the log is from foobarapp01 it's likely caused by foobarapp 19:52:34 <threebean> yup 19:52:35 <skvidal> since isolating the logs for tagger won't involve sifting through a bunch of other logs 19:52:41 <abadger1999> skvidal: for some definition of a lot. 19:52:44 <abadger1999> yeah 19:52:45 <skvidal> (tagger was just an example) 19:52:51 <abadger1999> that's about 1/3 of the problem i think. 19:53:09 <skvidal> abadger1999: what are the other 2/3rds? 19:53:12 <lmacken> centralizing 19:53:13 <lmacken> analyzing 19:53:30 <abadger1999> another 1/3 is getting logs consolidated per service rather than per host. 19:53:32 <lmacken> realtime notifications of Bad Errors 19:53:46 <lmacken> trending 19:53:53 <abadger1999> ie: fas is its on boxes but it's still hard to search for the traceback because it could be on fas1,2,3 19:54:08 <abadger1999> *on its own boxes 19:54:20 <skvidal> okay - a couple of things to note - with our existing logging configuration on log02 19:54:26 <skvidal> right now we have 2 major logging groups 19:54:27 <pingou> load balancing makes it harder for sure 19:54:27 <skvidal> per-host 19:54:28 <skvidal> and merged 19:54:38 <skvidal> there is nothing stopping us from grouping those logs, too 19:54:43 <skvidal> ie: fas 19:54:46 * nirik nods 19:54:47 <skvidal> apps 19:55:02 <lmacken> hookup up the SyslogHandler for each app is still on the TODO 19:55:04 <skvidal> so you'd end up with consolidated syslogs/app logs int /var/log/groups/fas/ 19:55:49 <abadger1999> skvidal: It's syslog based for the apache logs? So we can have a single log file for a service? Because that would be really nice. 19:55:59 <skvidal> abadger1999: well we have the app log now 19:56:34 <skvidal> which is only for apps which are using it 19:56:42 <nirik> which isn't many 19:56:42 <lmacken> bodhi in stg atm, iirc 19:56:43 <skvidal> istr it is local4 19:56:54 <skvidal> (that's the log facility) 19:56:57 * lmacken hasn't had cycles to wrap that up 19:57:09 <skvidal> yes local4 19:57:16 <skvidal> abadger1999: so we have 2 options there 19:57:25 <lmacken> (documented here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AppBestPractices#Centralized_…) 19:57:41 <skvidal> 1. setup apache on the app servers to emit all error logs to logger on local4 19:57:52 <skvidal> 2. figure out a nicer way to setup apache/our apps 19:58:00 <skvidal> (or something in between) 19:58:08 <skvidal> I'd like to suggest one more avenue 19:58:11 <skvidal> that will require testing 19:58:13 <skvidal> and discussion 19:58:24 <skvidal> but is this - if there is a non-syslog mechanism for getting apache logs off of systems 19:58:33 <skvidal> let's hear about it 19:59:05 <nirik> we could also work on reducing our syslogs.... 19:59:21 <skvidal> for example if there is a way to use 0mq to emit logs sanely 19:59:27 <skvidal> and to integrate it at the apache layer 19:59:37 <skvidal> I'd be inclined to pay attention to it, personally. 19:59:50 <skvidal> but 19:59:52 <skvidal> 1. it needs to work 19:59:57 <lmacken> where sanely == reliably w/o risk of losing messages 19:59:58 * puiterwijk is finally home and online 19:59:58 <skvidal> 2. be fairly reliable under load 20:00:05 <skvidal> lmacken: :) 20:00:09 <nirik> yeah. 20:00:23 <skvidal> lmacken: it can lose a few - but ideally the ring buffer that rsyslog uses would be the most desireable 20:01:00 <lmacken> sounds like a logging vfad would be a good idea ☺ 20:01:01 <nirik> skvidal: so, can you post your vfad list and thoughts around those to the list and we can look at picking one and scheduling it? 20:01:13 * nirik nods. logging seems popular 20:01:17 * lmacken going to Monitorama after PyCon, so may have more ideas later this month 20:01:22 <skvidal> nirik: yes 20:01:34 <nirik> thanks. 20:01:34 <abadger1999> nirik: careful though -- logging is only popular because it's such a pain :-) 20:01:39 <nirik> indeed. 20:01:55 <skvidal> it's only a pain for you crazy kids and your new-fangled webapps ;) 20:02:00 <skvidal> :) 20:02:00 <nirik> ok, any other open floor items before we close out? 20:02:23 <threebean> hm, I'd put a vote in for splitting appservers first. It might make fixing logging easier. 20:02:26 <abadger1999> I think for logging -- we should have a plan (like: reconfigure all apps to log to syslog local4). Then the vfad concentrates on doing that plan. 20:02:57 <nirik> yeah. 20:02:58 <pingou> + 20:03:38 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. Do continue on #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps, and #fedora-noc. 20:03:41 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Big Data SIG Meeting Minutes: 2013-03-07
by Robyn Bergeron 07 Mar '13

07 Mar '13

Howdy, Minutes from today's meeting follow below. Had a really interesting conversation - though I think we didn't quite get through much of the agenda :) We did discuss some categories, things already packaged, etc. - I'm on duty to make a sub-wiki-page so we can collectively document some of these things. Also had some talk around packaging Apache Bigtop as well as the intersections with that community - as many of their folks apparently use Fedora (YAY). Anyway: Keep your intros, thoughts coming - I suspect we'll be gathering more humans in the coming weeks. Thanks for coming! -Robyn Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-07/big_data_sig.2… Full logs: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-07/big_data_sig.2… =============================== #fedora-meeting-1: Big Data SIG =============================== Meeting started by rbergeron at 16:59:44 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-03-07/big_data_sig.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Who's around for fun? (rbergeron, 17:00:05) * present: rbergero, tflink (rbergeron, 17:01:15) * present: witlessb (rbergeron, 17:01:45) * present: threebean, zoglesby, samkottler, jsmith (rbergeron, 17:02:18) * Agenda for today's first meeting :D (rbergeron, 17:03:49) * LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/bigdata/2013-March/000003.html (rbergeron, 17:04:32) * Agenda looks like: What this is all about, what do we have, what don't we have, what is anyone here interested in doing :) (rbergeron, 17:05:09) * What's the Big Data SIG all about? (rbergeron, 17:05:57) * loosely quoting from o'reilly: "If the size of your data is part of the problem, it's Big Data." (rbergeron, 17:07:57) * IDEA: one part of it is getting a decent setup; other part is understanding tools and approaches needed (rbergeron, 17:11:42) * IDEA: two pieces you hear most about in Big Data seem to be massive storage, & parallel computing (hadoop, column databases, etc) (rbergeron, 17:12:16) * IDEA: another component is online processing or online analysis - predicting what is trending before its had time to hit disk (rbergeron, 17:13:29) * IDEA: for ex. - idea that google can predict flu outbreaks faster than public health agencies by watcihng search terms; financial tools as well apply to concept (rbergeron, 17:15:49) * IDEA: another ex. of stream processing is twitter analytics - looking for emerging topics in twitter streams (rbergeron, 17:16:52) * What are the buckets or categories, and what do we have? (rbergeron, 17:18:21) * IDEA: orchestration, batch processing, stream processing are categories that come to mind - orch (zookeeper), batch (hadoop, disco), stream (storm) (rbergeron, 17:21:23) * IDEA: storage is another category (rbergeron, 17:22:25) * IDEA: full hadoop stack seems to be thought of as useful foundation layer for some types of work, but HDFS is getting attention as weak spot, with nosql dbs and gluster being used as alternatives (rbergeron, 17:23:00) * hdfs is part of the hadoop project; one can install hdfs without using the mapreduce part (rbergeron, 17:28:05) * lots of java libraries, servers like tomcat (used by solr, oozie) are already in (rbergeron, 17:44:01) * IDEA: we have pandas (not the animal, http://pandas.pydata.org) - useful for data analysis, not really big data (rbergeron, 17:49:40) * ACTION: rbergeron to add a sub-page of packges we have (unless someone beats me to it) (rbergeron, 17:50:18) * IDEA: interest in disco - seems to be more python-friendly than hadoop (though we are aware that there are python wrappers for hadoop) (rbergeron, 18:08:03) * spring is packaged - could package spring-hadoop (rbergeron, 18:11:24) * ACTION: bmahe to expound on openjdk/bug filing, as well as the wide world of bigtop packaging, as time permits :) (rbergeron, 18:12:51) * Operation Agenda: Yeah... (rbergeron, 18:15:50) * ACTION: rbergeron to prod in meeting notes to get people to talk re: what would we like to do (we==they) (rbergeron, 18:23:54) Meeting ended at 18:26:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * rbergeron to add a sub-page of packges we have (unless someone beats me to it) * bmahe to expound on openjdk/bug filing, as well as the wide world of bigtop packaging, as time permits :) * rbergeron to prod in meeting notes to get people to talk re: what would we like to do (we==they) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bmahe * bmahe to expound on openjdk/bug filing, as well as the wide world of bigtop packaging, as time permits :) * rbergeron * rbergeron to add a sub-page of packges we have (unless someone beats me to it) * rbergeron to prod in meeting notes to get people to talk re: what would we like to do (we==they) * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * rbergeron (163) * bmahe (59) * tflink (36) * ctyler (27) * threebean (8) * zodbot (5) * witlessb (4) * samkottler (1) * zoglesby (1) * jsmith (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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i18n meeting summary (2013-03-07)
by Akira TAGOH 07 Mar '13

07 Mar '13

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:01:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-07/i18n.2013-03-07-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:01:20) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-03-07 (tagoh_, 06:01:20) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:06:35) * 2013-03-12 Feature Freeze--Planning & Development Ends (tagoh_, 06:06:36) * 2013-03-12 Branch Fedora 19 from Rawhide (tagoh_, 06:06:36) * 2013-04-02 Branch Freeze (tagoh_, 06:06:36) * 2013-04-02 Software String Freeze (tagoh_, 06:06:37) * 2013-04-02 Alpha Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:06:37) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:08:13) * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:08:13) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16 (tagoh_, 06:08:14) * ACTION: tagoh_ to update the i18n test day page according to the draft (tagoh_, 06:17:12) * #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:17:33) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18 (tagoh_, 06:17:34) * LINK: https://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/detail?id=1598 (fujiwarat, 06:33:42) * Outstanding task (tagoh_, 06:37:55) * #15: F19 Feature: libkkc (ueno) (tagoh_, 06:37:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/15 (tagoh_, 06:37:55) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:45:26) Meeting ended at 07:00:00 UTC. Action Items ------------ * tagoh_ to update the i18n test day page according to the draft Action Items, by person ----------------------- * tagoh_ * tagoh_ to update the i18n test day page according to the draft * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (68) * justiceh (13) * fujiwarat (9) * mfabian (5) * dueno (5) * pravins (5) * zodbot (3) * dan408 (2) * epico (2) * paragan (1) * anish_ (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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2013-03-04 - Fedora QA Meeting - recap
by Adam Williamson 06 Mar '13

06 Mar '13

As always, minutes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130304 Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-03-11 at 1600 UTC in #fedora-meeting. If you have topics you think we should bring up at the meeting, please add them to the Wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130311 . Thanks! TOPIC: Previous meeting follow-up ======================================================================= * adamw to push 'automatic blocker' proposal to production - this was done[1] * adamw to try and gather a bit more feedback on blocker process changes this week - dgilmore is okay with the changes, no objections from devel or fesco * viking-ice or adamw to file a trac ticket for the smoke test-for-spins idea - not done yet, put back on the agenda for next week * tflink to take a look at the question of tracking qa tool discussion and bugs/tickets and make a broad proposal about what to do - proposals made[2] and discussion is underway * We agreed to go with the simplest option of keeping one trac instance and CCing ticket mails to the appropriate list with the defaultcc plugin * viking-ice noted he is working on a proposal to replace trac with rt[3] TOPIC: Test Days ======================================================================= * After discussion of the pros and cons, we decided to make it clearer that test days can happen on any day (not just Thursdays) * Other proposed topics left till next week TOPIC: Open floor ======================================================================= * jreznik changed the QA calendar for F19[4] to show blocker meetings on Wednesdays * We noted that blocker bug meetings should be starting up already, and discussed scheduling of RATS and TC composes ACTION ITEMS ======================================================================= * adamw to push the blocker meeting changes live this week * viking-ice or adamw to file a trac ticket for the smoke test-for-spins idea * adamw to propose RATS/TC1 dates on the list * tflink to announce first blocker meeting for wednesday, and get blocker bug tracker app ready * jreznik to pencil in QA changes as discussed * adamw to draft up changes to the test day process docs to accommodate test days being on any day, test day co-ordinator to ensure they're balanced out 1. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-February/114004.html 2. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-February/113997.html 3. http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ 4. http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-quality-tasks.html -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.ne

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-03-06)
by Stephen Gallagher 06 Mar '13

06 Mar '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-03-06) =================================== Meeting started by sgallagh at 18:00:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-06/fesco.2013-03-06… . Meeting summary - --------------- * init process (sgallagh, 18:00:07) * #1093 announce fesco tickets on #fedora-devel (sgallagh, 18:03:44) * AGREED: Try out announcing FESCo ticket open/close in #fedora-admin (8 +1, 1 0, 0 -1) (sgallagh, 18:12:13) * Next week's chair (sgallagh, 18:12:33) * notting to chair next week's meeting (sgallagh, 18:14:52) * Open Floor (sgallagh, 18:15:00) * ACTION: sgallagh to open FESCo ticket to track the Fedora Revamp discussion (sgallagh, 18:45:18) * AGREED: Discuss Fedora Revamp on devel(a)lists.fp.o for another week and revisit at the next meeting (6 +1, 0 0, 0 -1) (sgallagh, 18:46:05) * AGREED: draft a schedule to look at, revisit next week or entertain counterproposals for approving a schedule then (7 +1, 0 0, 0 -1) (sgallagh, 19:11:56) Meeting ended at 19:16:19 UTC. Action Items - ------------ * sgallagh to open FESCo ticket to track the Fedora Revamp discussion Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * sgallagh * sgallagh to open FESCo ticket to track the Fedora Revamp discussion * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * sgallagh (63) * nirik (60) * jwb (60) * mitr (26) * t8m (20) * abadger1999 (16) * jreznik (13) * pjones (11) * notting (11) * tflink (7) * mmaslano (5) * zodbot (5) * drago01_ (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlE3loAACgkQeiVVYja6o6MgrgCff9ytoT2hmjFLkIhw3g29dnu4 3UMAnide0KqB45M4DkFMhaS7FLnxPQLG =Alrh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FAmNA Meeting (05 March 2013)
by inode0 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by dan408 at 02:02:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-03-06/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (dan408, 02:02:24) * tickets (dan408, 02:08:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (dan408, 02:09:10) * https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 (dan408, 02:10:24) * LINK: http://plus.google.com/u/0/100952077644304838223/posts/XgHi4ouePWx (dan408, 02:11:38) * LINK: http://plus.google.com/u/0/100952077644304838223/posts/S1KJEjwMDtb (dan408, 02:11:45) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013#FADN… (dan408, 02:11:53) * https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/48 (dan408, 02:12:27) * ACTION: quaid to follow up with dan408 tomorrow (dan408, 02:15:08) * https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/49 (dan408, 02:16:32) * https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/50 (dan408, 02:19:54) * LinuxFest NorthWest 2013 (dan408, 02:20:26) * ACTION: rbergeron is a big girl and can handle this event (dan408, 02:20:45) * https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/52 (dan408, 02:21:02) * Sponsorship for Hotel at PyCon (dan408, 02:21:10) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PyCon_US_2013 (dan408, 02:24:35) * open floor (dan408, 02:40:20) Meeting ended at 02:44:37 UTC. Action Items ------------ * quaid to follow up with dan408 tomorrow * rbergeron is a big girl and can handle this event Action Items, by person ----------------------- * dan408 * quaid to follow up with dan408 tomorrow * quaid * quaid to follow up with dan408 tomorrow * rbergeron * rbergeron is a big girl and can handle this event * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * dan408 (107) * quaid (27) * award3535 (26) * rbergeron (19) * nb (9) * zodbot (6) * j_dulaney (3) * wrnash1 (1) * inode0 (0) John

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Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes
by Pete Travis 04 Mar '13

04 Mar '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A two for one summary today, as I catch up on sending you the minutes: 4 March 2013 - ------------------------------------- Meeting started by randomuser` at 14:01:57 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary roll call (randomuser`, 14:02:19) ACTION: items (randomuser`, 14:06:00) action items (randomuser`, 14:06:12) Sponsorship of docs.fedoraproject.org (randomuser`, 14:07:13) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=611891 (randomuser`, 14:08:54) Docs Infrastructure (randomuser`, 14:13:43) Outstanding Bugs (randomuser`, 14:19:36) http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (randomuser`, 14:19:45) open floor (randomuser`, 14:22:17) Meeting ended at 14:30:06 UTC (full logs). Action items items People present (lines said) randomuser` (31) iambryan (6) zodbot (3) suehle (2) zoglesby (2) lnovich (2) Sparks (1) bcotton (1) jjmcd (1) Capesteve (1) - ---------Full logs at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora- meeting/2013-03-04/https:fedoraproject.orgwikidocs_project_meetings.2013-03-04-14.01.log.txt 25 Feb 2013 - ------------------------------------------------------------ Meeting summary Roll Call (randomuser`, 14:02:10) Follow up on last week's action items (randomuser`, 14:08:37) Docs Infrastructure (randomuser`, 14:09:26) Beat Assignments (randomuser`, 14:14:22) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats (randomuser`, 14:14:28) Docs Infrastructure (randomuser`, 14:17:56) Outstanding Bugs (randomuser`, 14:22:04) http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (randomuser`, 14:22:18) Sparks' bug corner (randomuser`, 14:25:12) http://tinyurl.com/agh4mg6 (randomuser`, 14:25:33) ACTION: sgordon to mail docs list to begin discussion of sponsorship banners at docs.fp.o (randomuser`, 14:40:08) Open Floor Discussion (randomuser`, 14:42:44) http://immanetize.fedorapeople.org/release-notes.spec (randomuser`, 14:53:37) Meeting ended at 15:02:33 UTC (full logs). Action items sgordon to mail docs list to begin discussion of sponsorship banners at docs.fp.o Action items, by person sgordon sgordon to mail docs list to begin discussion of sponsorship banners at docs.fp.o People present (lines said) randomuser` (72) sgordon (39) Sparks_too (12) iambryan (9) zodbot (6) Sparks (4) bcotton (4) nb (1) chuckf (1) pkovar (1) - --------Full logs at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora- meeting/2013-02-25/fedora_docs_project_meeting_https:fedoraproject.orgwikidocs_project_meetings.2013-02-25-14.01.log.txt - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRNLeYAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2ZM3YIAIBfjyOnXet6VuncOYisYIbB iteX9UDaqfEdG3yy+/0tgQEisakaeiVrFYMXIZb9v65WyNFnXkTXenxAZdywYlBU CyaKhna5v2OECyJkH+S/0DuHUmI2xWP2X1gF0r19wqQ2vY6/L2xdpdhpKhim3YXI YWKFBRBfo1x6MNuEJ9K+N2xWLDhoHjRkWLJPXr22cetxEsSklfqy5rG0lYleDreQ 346rFf7/ftumpLlY45M+5b/wMDsLshPg5OxvNMsdSp1/GVtl8ORhMpoI3w5ZbGCl 50ZnIXyGi16x+ewyOtlWTpZIB19/8RKs79qo4//V3PhKz/ZlqOMyKzZl+iIh0nE= =ekgV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora Chinese Meeting Minutes (2013-03-01)
by Alick Zhao 01 Mar '13

01 Mar '13

Hi all, The IRC meeting minutes tonight are available at here[1]. Thanks everyone for attending the meeting. In the meeting we mainly talked about offline gather up in Beijing in March and some translation issues. The next IRC meeting will be held on next Friday (2013-03-08). Please come and join the discussion if you can! [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh/2013-03-01/fzug_irc_meeting_2013… Meeting started by alick at 12:02:18 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary 点名 (alick, 12:05:04) 检查之前会议的actions (alick, 12:11:43) lovenemesis (Tommy) 已经贴出调查结果了 (alick, 12:13:42) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2013-February/020900.h… (alick, 12:17:15) 线下活动 (alick, 12:22:41) IDEA: 3月份搞一次线下活动 (alick, 12:23:41) http://lisp.org.cn/wiki/lisp/event/2013-meetup (alick, 12:32:21) IDEA: 有一两个talk就行 (alick, 12:37:14) ACTION: cicku ask BJGUG about offline events in March (alick, 12:45:07) 翻译问题讨论 (alick, 12:45:18) https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/56 ? (kital, 12:48:37) Meeting ended at 13:03:31 UTC (full logs). Action items cicku ask BJGUG about offline events in March People present (lines said) alick (109) zsun (40) kingheaven (22) microcai (20) zodbot (18) BadGirl (7) Robin_cheese_Lee (6) kital (5) xiyoulaoyuanjia (1) CyrusYzGTt (0) Generated by MeetBot 0.1.4. -- Alick Fedora 18 (Spherical Cow) user https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Alick

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meetingminutes March 2013