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#ansible-docs: DaWGs supplemental meeting aka The Great Docsite Split of 2021
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Meeting started by acozine at 15:31:38 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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Meeting summary
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* opening chatter (acozine, 15:32:26)
* draft proposal doc https://hackmd.io/TQmzyhCUSSKa22iFR_079A?both
(samccann, 15:39:52)
* hacked ansible-collections docsite:
http://docs.testing.ansible.com/ansible/2.11/ (samccann, 15:40:08)
* hacked ansible-core docsite:
http://docs.testing.ansible.com/ansible/devel/ (samccann, 15:40:22)
* hacked docsites will disappear without warning in a few weeks
(acozine, 15:40:54)
* The guiding principle here is that the Ansible Collections
Documentation includes only the scenario/platform guides specific to
those collections, and the overall collection index. Everything else
is really based on the version of ansible-core included and is thus
in the Ansible Core Documentation. (samccann, 15:41:09)
* Which documentation topics/sections will end up where (acozine,
15:42:04)
* pros and cons of splitting the docs (acozine, 15:47:07)
* we should duplicate ansible.builtin on both docsites until those
plugins are removed from core. Core users will need that info
Ansible package docsite updates won't be in sync with core releases.
(samccann, 16:02:17)
* consider adding to the core banner for those plugins 'for the full
collection index go here' to point to ansible-collections
(samccann, 16:02:53)
* consider interim stub pages on ansible-core-2.11 to show where all
the scenario etc guides have moved to (samccann, 16:20:15)
* general problems with latest
https://hackmd.io/TQmzyhCUSSKa22iFR_079A?both#How-to-handle-latest
(samccann, 16:24:00)
* handling /latest/ (samccann, 16:24:10)
* the /latest/ convention solves the problems of personal/blogpost
links going stale. if they link to a /latest/ page, it always stays
valid (samccann, 16:33:14)
* make sure any links from ansible-collections to ansible-core docs
uses the version specific url, not /latest/ so it matches the core
version used w. Ansible (samccann, 16:36:48)
* general feeling so far is to keep /latest/ for both docsites
(samccann, 16:40:51)
* ACTION: samccann to discuss moving scenario guide .rst files to
ansible-collections somewhere -w gundalow and abadger1999
(samccann, 16:44:30)
* ACTION: explore generally how much of our current documentation
actually needs to be versioned and how versioned and unversioned
docs could live together on docs.ansible.com in perfect harmony
(samccann, 16:47:36)
Meeting ended at 16:49:28 UTC.
Action Items
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* samccann to discuss moving scenario guide .rst files to
ansible-collections somewhere -w gundalow and abadger1999
* explore generally how much of our current documentation actually needs
to be versioned and how versioned and unversioned docs could live
together on docs.ansible.com in perfect harmony
Action Items, by person
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* samccann
* samccann to discuss moving scenario guide .rst files to
ansible-collections somewhere -w gundalow and abadger1999
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needs to be versioned and how versioned and unversioned docs could
live together on docs.ansible.com in perfect harmony
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Notification time stamped 2020-12-03 16:41:11 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: Infrastructure (2020-12-03)
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Meeting started by nirik at 16:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-12-03/infrastructur…
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Meeting summary
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* Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra (nirik, 16:00:02)
* About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/ (nirik,
16:00:02)
* New folks introductions (nirik, 16:01:11)
* This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora
Infrastructure can introduce themselves (nirik, 16:01:11)
* Getting Started Guide:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
(nirik, 16:01:11)
* 2020-12-03 - nirik (nirik, 16:06:26)
* announcements and information (nirik, 16:07:42)
* CPE Sustaining EU-hours team has a Monday through Friday 30 minute
meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in
#centos-meeting (nirik, 16:07:42)
* CPE Sustaining NA-hours team has a Monday through Friday 30 minute
meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-admin (nirik,
16:07:42)
* Datacenter move is over, but some items still need to be done: see
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/2020-post-datacenter-move-kno…
(nirik, 16:07:42)
* no meetings on December 24th and 31st (nirik, 16:07:44)
* Oncall (nirik, 16:09:00)
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall (nirik,
16:09:00)
* siddharthvipul is oncall for 2020-11-26 to 2020-12-03 (nirik,
16:09:00)
* ? is oncall for 2020-12-03 to 2020-12-10 (nirik, 16:09:00)
* ? is oncall for 2020-12-17 to 2020-12-24 (nirik, 16:09:01)
* Monitoring discussion [nirik] (nirik, 16:12:42)
* https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios (nirik, 16:12:42)
* Go over existing out items and fix (nirik, 16:12:42)
* Learning topic (nirik, 16:17:29)
* packager workflow [nirik] (nirik, 16:17:29)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_HOWTO should be
a pretty good guide (nirik, 16:18:37)
* open floor (nirik, 16:35:41)
Meeting ended at 16:41:11 UTC.
Action Items
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* (none)
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Notification time stamped 2020-12-03 15:51:20 UTC
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#ansible-meeting: Ansible Core Public IRC Meeting
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Meeting started by sdoran at 15:00:21 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-meeting/2020-12-03/ansible_core_p…
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Meeting summary
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* Ansible Core CI has moved to Azure Pipelines. New commits need to be
pushed to PR branches in order to trigger a CI run on the new
platform. (sdoran, 15:04:20)
* Closing/reopening a PR will also trigger a CI run in AZP. (sdoran,
15:06:04)
* People with commit rights can also add a comment with `/azp run`
(felixfontein, 15:08:46)
* LINK:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines/repos/github?view=a…
(mkrizek, 15:10:24)
* Azure Pipelines has some comment triggers.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines/repos/github?view=a…
(sdoran, 15:12:15)
* BaseFileCache. Related to
https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/57646. (sdoran, 15:16:43)
* open floor (sdoran, 15:42:20)
* A big thanks to mkrizek, mattclay, and relrod for working so hard on
the transition to Azure Pipelines and making it go smoothly.
(sdoran, 15:46:50)
* ... and a big thanks to sdoran for the same too ;-) (mkrizek,
15:48:27)
Meeting ended at 15:51:20 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* felixfontein (21)
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Notification time stamped 2020-12-03 03:03:54 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-12-01)
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Meeting started by cmurf at 03:01:54 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-12-03/workstation.2…
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Meeting summary
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* Rollcall (cmurf, 03:02:31)
* present: Michael, Kalev, Langdon, Matthias, Neal, Tomas, Chris, Owen
(cmurf, 03:02:33)
* missing wg members: Jens (cmurf, 03:02:35)
* regrets wg members: Allan (cmurf, 03:02:37)
* present guests: Felipe (cmurf, 03:02:39)
* Approval of 24 Nov minutes: (cmurf, 03:02:41)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-11-25/workstation.2…
(cmurf, 03:02:43)
* AGREED: Approved (cmurf, 03:02:45)
* Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 03:02:47)
* GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software (cmurf, 03:02:51)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203 (cmurf,
03:02:53)
* Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs (cmurf, 03:02:57)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 (cmurf,
03:02:59)
* Michael's summary (cmurf, 03:03:05)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84#comment-704122
(cmurf, 03:03:07)
* ACTION: Michael to talk to Allan (cmurf, 03:03:09)
* Give ABRT some ❤ (cmurf, 03:03:11)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 (cmurf,
03:03:13)
* ACTION: neal and michael to further prioritize issues (cmurf,
03:03:31)
* ACTION: tpopela to invite msuchy to a future meeting (cmurf,
03:03:33)
* Michael's summary (cmurf, 03:03:35)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130#comment-704127
(cmurf, 03:03:37)
* Open Floor (cmurf, 03:03:39)
* AGREED: skip December 22 and 29 meetings (cmurf, 03:03:41)
Meeting ended at 03:03:54 UTC.
Action Items
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* Michael to talk to Allan
* neal and michael to further prioritize issues
* tpopela to invite msuchy to a future meeting
Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* Michael to talk to Allan
* neal and michael to further prioritize issues
* tpopela to invite msuchy to a future meeting
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* cmurf (41)
* zodbot (7)
* mcatanzaro (0)
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Notification time stamped 2020-12-02 21:19:19 UTC
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#ansible-community: Ansible Community Meeting
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Meeting started by felixfontein at 19:01:19 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/ansible-community/2020-12-02/ansible_comm…
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Meeting summary
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* agenda:
https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/539#issuecomment-737419444
(felixfontein, 19:02:27)
* Bullhorn 15 has just been published
https://mailchi.mp/redhat/the-bullhorn-15 (you should subscribe)
(gundalow, 19:03:42)
* Announcements (felixfontein, 19:03:54)
* Bullhorn 15 has just been published
https://mailchi.mp/redhat/the-bullhorn-15 (you should subscribe)
(gundalow, 19:03:58)
* Ansible 2.10.4 has been released yesterday (felixfontein, 19:04:05)
* Ansible 2.10 contains new collections since last meeting:
community.okd and community.hrobot (see
https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/issues/128 for
overview) (felixfontein, 19:04:09)
* PR Day on 1st December was a great success, next is 17th December.
Hope to see you there
https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/407 (gundalow,
19:04:28)
* Are bugfix releases every ~3 weeks ok for community.general's stable-1
branch? (felixfontein, 19:06:24)
* AGREED: community.general 1.3.x bugfix releases will be ~every three
weeks (felixfontein, 19:08:59)
* Should the next 'big' Ansible release in February 2021 be Ansible
3.0.0, or a higher version number? (felixfontein, 19:09:23)
* AGREED: the next 'big' Ansible version will be 3.0.0 in February
2021. we'll add docs everywhere that explain that it is not much
different than 2.11 would have been, so users hopefully won't expect
something bigger (felixfontein, 19:18:51)
* Criteria for inclusion of new collections in Ansible 3.0.0
(felixfontein, 19:19:03)
* https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/issues/131
(felixfontein, 19:20:35)
* Matching ansible doc format and conventions (abadger1999, 19:24:31)
* existing checklist item on documentation is considered okay to start
with. (abadger1999, 19:26:13)
* sanity tests (abadger1999, 19:26:51)
* AGREED: Collections MUST have sanity tests running against every
major version of `ansible-core` that is supported by the collection
(gundalow, 19:27:29)
* AGREED: sanity test requirement updated to require passing with
rules on using ignores.txt:
https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/pull/132/files#diff-dacab21…
(abadger1999, 19:37:35)
* ACTION: gundalow to think about ignore.txt hackfest (gundalow,
19:39:23)
* license for collections (gundalow, 19:40:47)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#SoftwareLicenses
(abadger1999, 19:46:30)
* LINK: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html (abadger1999,
19:46:59)
* LINK: https://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical (abadger1999,
19:47:30)
* LINK:
https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/dev_guide/developing_modules_checkl…
(acozine, 19:57:08)
* LINK: https://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html tldr,
apache v2 okay to be in gplv3 code (like abadger1999 said) but not
vis versa (resmo, 19:57:34)
* ACTION: abadger1999 to find out who manages legal(a)fedoraproject.org
and whether we can piggyback off of the list they maintain for our
needs or need to setup our own review process and list with red hat
legal. (abadger1999, 20:06:19)
* AGREED: New licensing section to be added:
https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/pull/132/commits/7d93eb228f…
(abadger1999, 20:07:06)
* Make some things stricter (abadger1999, 20:07:40)
* Publically available issue tracker (abadger1999, 20:09:29)
* AGREED: MUST have a public & free issue tracker (gundalow,
20:12:50)
* CoC (gundalow, 20:12:53)
* AGREED: MUST have a CoC (or if not fall back to Ansible's)
(gundalow, 20:13:05)
* Information on which kind of contributions are accepted (gundalow,
20:13:25)
* issue tracker proposal for vote (abadger1999, 20:17:40)
* AGREED: publically available issue tracker requirement is accepted:
https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/pull/132/commits/280c53b566…
(abadger1999, 20:21:36)
* Information on which kind of contributions are accepted (abadger1999,
20:22:59)
* Discuss next time: Add to documentation section: "What type of
contributions are accepted, if any, and the method for submitting
contributions must be documented. This documentation SHOULD be in a
CONTRIBUTING file in the root of the repository, or mentioned in the
README." (felixfontein, 21:17:29)
* Discuss next time: Add a clause "Inclusion of a new collection in
the Ansible package is ultimately at the discretion of the Ansible
community review committee. Every rejected candidate will get
feedback, and we try to have more precise rules for Ansible 4.0.0."
(felixfontein, 21:17:34)
* LINK: https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/pull/132 |
open, created 2020-12-02T19:34:58Z by abadger: Must change changes
to the checklist criteria (github-linkbot, 21:18:14)
Meeting ended at 21:19:19 UTC.
Action Items
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* gundalow to think about ignore.txt hackfest
* abadger1999 to find out who manages legal(a)fedoraproject.org and
whether we can piggyback off of the list they maintain for our needs
or need to setup our own review process and list with red hat legal.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* abadger1999
* abadger1999 to find out who manages legal(a)fedoraproject.org and
whether we can piggyback off of the list they maintain for our needs
or need to setup our own review process and list with red hat legal.
* gundalow
* gundalow to think about ignore.txt hackfest
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* felixfontein (168)
* abadger1999 (114)
* gundalow (77)
* jillr (60)
* dmsimard (48)
* samccann (47)
* acozine (37)
* andersson007_ (24)
* zodbot (22)
* resmo (19)
* aminvakil (17)
* geerlingguy (12)
* dericcrago (10)
* nitzmahone (8)
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* lmodemal (4)
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Notification time stamped 2020-12-02 17:28:17 UTC
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
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Meeting started by dustymabe at 16:30:46 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-12-02/fedora_coreos…
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (dustymabe, 16:30:50)
* Action items from last meeting (dustymabe, 16:36:19)
* ACTION: red_beard to investigate forklifting FCOS artifacts into OVH
to see if they work (dustymabe, 16:36:41)
* ACTION: red_beard to open a ticket to strategize on FCOS RH summit
presence (dustymabe, 16:36:48)
* Move rpmdb path from /usr/share/rpm to /usr/lib/sysimage/rpm
(dustymabe, 16:37:54)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/639
(dustymabe, 16:38:10)
* ACTION: jlebon to talk with King_InuYasha to see if they can be
co-captains for the proposed change to move the rpmdb path (#639)
(dustymabe, 16:41:53)
* default hostname now is `fedora`, used to be `localhost` (dustymabe,
16:42:24)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/649
(dustymabe, 16:42:33)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1892235#c9
(dustymabe, 16:45:50)
* ACTION: dustymabe and jlebon to talk to the systemd team to see if
we can come to agreement on a path forward for the fallback hostname
behavior introduced in systemd in fedora 33 (dustymabe, 17:07:43)
* 2020-12-02: gather status update for Fedora Council (dustymabe,
17:08:08)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/688
(dustymabe, 17:08:18)
* LINK: https://hackmd.io/iOmPW-0fSmu2NZ1OvgJylQ?edit (dustymabe,
17:09:28)
* open floor (dustymabe, 17:19:43)
Meeting ended at 17:28:17 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* red_beard to investigate forklifting FCOS artifacts into OVH to see if
they work
* red_beard to open a ticket to strategize on FCOS RH summit presence
* jlebon to talk with King_InuYasha to see if they can be co-captains
for the proposed change to move the rpmdb path (#639)
* dustymabe and jlebon to talk to the systemd team to see if we can come
to agreement on a path forward for the fallback hostname behavior
introduced in systemd in fedora 33
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* dustymabe
* dustymabe and jlebon to talk to the systemd team to see if we can
come to agreement on a path forward for the fallback hostname
behavior introduced in systemd in fedora 33
* jlebon
* jlebon to talk with King_InuYasha to see if they can be co-captains
for the proposed change to move the rpmdb path (#639)
* dustymabe and jlebon to talk to the systemd team to see if we can
come to agreement on a path forward for the fallback hostname
behavior introduced in systemd in fedora 33
* **UNASSIGNED**
* red_beard to investigate forklifting FCOS artifacts into OVH to see
if they work
* red_beard to open a ticket to strategize on FCOS RH summit presence
People Present (lines said)
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* jlebon (17)
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