Mindshare Committee: Migrate to Discourse in 2023?

[Justin W. Flory (he/him)]

Hi folks, I hope you are settled in after the new year! I am repeating this
message to both the Fedora Discussion tag and the Mindshare mailing list.

I want to pitch that we fully adopt our Fedora Discussion tag as the
preferred place for asynchronous discussion by the Mindshare Committee. The
mailing list would be closed and retired, similar to the CommOps
<https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/commops.lists.fedoraproject.o...;,
Council-discuss
<https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-discuss.lists.fedorap...;,
and Badges
<https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/badges.lists.fedoraproject.or...
mailing lists. I would like to make this change on Monday, 23 January, for
the next term of Mindshare.

I believe this change will help us be models for other groups and teams in
the community who are also looking at moving from mailing lists to
Discussion. As stewards of the non-engineering part of Fedora, we should be
bold and take the step fully into Fedora Discussion.

Any thoughts on making this transition after Monday, 23 January?
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*Cheers*,
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[Till Maas]

Am Fr., 13. Jan. 2023 um 18:09 Uhr schrieb Justin W. Flory (he/him) <
jwf(a)redhat.com&gt;:

>  Hi folks, I hope you are settled in after the new year! I am
> repeating
>  this message to both the Fedora Discussion tag and the Mindshare mailing
>  list.
>
>  I want to pitch that we fully adopt our Fedora Discussion tag as the
>  preferred place for asynchronous discussion by the Mindshare Committee. The
>  mailing list would be closed and retired, similar to the CommOps
>  <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/commops.lists.fedoraproject.o...;,
>  Council-discuss
>
> <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-discuss.lists.fedorap...;,
>  and Badges
>  <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/badges.lists.fedoraproject.or...
>  mailing lists. I would like to make this change on Monday, 23 January, for
>  the next term of Mindshare.
>
>  I believe this change will help us be models for other groups and teams in
>  the community who are also looking at moving from mailing lists to
>  Discussion. As stewards of the non-engineering part of Fedora, we should be
>  bold and take the step fully into Fedora Discussion.
>
>  Any thoughts on making this transition after Monday, 23 January?
>  
1) The Fedora Mindshare mailing list is very low traffic anyhow, so this
does not seem to make a big impact on the users of the mailing list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]...
2) Regarding being models for other groups: I think the main value would be
in model the transition from mailing list to discourse for other teams with
more active mailing lists and more diverse members, for example by
providing best practices for other teams to follow which include early
notifications, FAQ for affected users, maybe office hours to help answering
questions or concerns, providing training for discourse (mayb through short
Youtube videos) etc (not sure what is really effective). Maybe this already
exists from the transitions of the other teams. Maybe this needs to be
created after gathering feedback from the other teams.
3) I am not a big fan of mailing lists and I believe that a discussion
software like discourse can bring additional value. As a power user and
long-time Fedora contributor, I still find the discourse badges regarding
trust levels and theirs descriptions disconcerting since they assume that
the Fedora community is only the discourse community, for example:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/badges/3/forum-level-3
"This badge is granted when you reach trust level 3. Thanks for being a
regular part of our community over a period of months. ..." - And some very
basic features are granted only  by the activity in the forum ignoring
whether someone was elected in Fedora, trusted as packager, ... - I
understand the technical reasons why it started like this and why discourse
does it by default. The current way does not seem to be a good fit for
Fedora, though. At least for mindshare it should be made sure that all
members have a appropriate trust level in discourse.

Cheers
Till


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