Statement of Support (and some child-like giddiness)

[Ryan McDougall]

I just happened to stumble across this while wondering when Fedora 11
might be out, and let me say you have set my poor heart a-flutter!

Extremely timely for me, as I am trying to build Telepathy framework
for windows. Its all portable C, but woven hard into autotools and
other assumptions, its a bit tedious to have to boot into windows then
massage it into Cmake. This would literally be a massive time saver.
You have my support and love.

What can I do to help out?

Cheers,

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 05:56:49PM +0200, Ryan McDougall wrote:
>  I just happened to stumble across this while wondering when Fedora
> 11
>  might be out, and let me say you have set my poor heart a-flutter!
>  
>  Extremely timely for me, as I am trying to build Telepathy framework
>  for windows. Its all portable C, but woven hard into autotools and
>  other assumptions, its a bit tedious to have to boot into windows then
>  massage it into Cmake. This would literally be a massive time saver.
>  You have my support and love.
>  
>  What can I do to help out? 
I had a brief look -- Telepathy framework looks big and complicated.

The fact it uses autoconf is good from a cross-compiling point of
view.  In many cases you should be able to do:

  # yum install mingw32-{any libraries required}
  $ mingw32-configure
  $ make

The big question is what libraries / dependencies it has, especially
any dependencies which are not currently in the Fedora MinGW project.

If you get any build problems, post them here and we can take a look.
We also have an IRC channel - #fedora-mingw on FreeNode.

Rich.

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[Ryan McDougall]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 05:56:49PM +0200, Ryan McDougall wrote:
> > I just happened to stumble across this while wondering when Fedora 11
> > might be out, and let me say you have set my poor heart a-flutter!
> >
> > Extremely timely for me, as I am trying to build Telepathy framework
> > for windows. Its all portable C, but woven hard into autotools and
> > other assumptions, its a bit tedious to have to boot into windows then
> > massage it into Cmake. This would literally be a massive time saver.
> > You have my support and love.
> >
> > What can I do to help out?
>
>  I had a brief look -- Telepathy framework looks big and complicated.
>
>  The fact it uses autoconf is good from a cross-compiling point of
>  view.  In many cases you should be able to do:
>
>   # yum install mingw32-{any libraries required}
>   $ mingw32-configure
>   $ make
>
>  The big question is what libraries / dependencies it has, especially
>  any dependencies which are not currently in the Fedora MinGW project.
>
>  If you get any build problems, post them here and we can take a look.
>  We also have an IRC channel - #fedora-mingw on FreeNode.
>
>  Rich. 
Based on my current work I think it is:

expat, gettext, dbus, glib, dbus-glib, telepathy-glib, loudmouth,
telepathy-gabble

There could be some other subtle ones; and eventually GTK2 slips in there.

I'll have more detail when I can give this a shot with my team on monday.

Cheers,

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 06:34:07PM +0200, Ryan McDougall wrote:
>  expat, 
in Mercurial

>  gettext, 
in Mercurial, just approved for Fedora

>  dbus, 
problematic -- see below

>  glib, 
I'm assuming you mean glib2?  In Mercurial ..

>  dbus-glib, 
..

>  telepathy-glib, 
Presumably you build this yourself?

>  loudmouth, 
No idea?

>  telepathy-gabble 
As above.

Where "Mercurial" == our temporary repository:

  http://www.annexia.org/tmp/mingw/fedora-10/
  http://hg.et.redhat.com/cgi-bin/hg-misc.cgi/fedora-mingw--devel/

DBus is a real delight to package.  There's a fork of the base dbus
package for Windows, called windbus, which I made a rather speculative
package from.  It compiles but I'm not sure to what extent is works
(also I notice that telepathy needs a more recent dbus):

  http://hg.et.redhat.com/cgi-bin/hg-misc.cgi/fedora-mingw--devel/file/tip/...

However this really needs someone to take it in hand and sort it out.
The situation is mostly summarised here:

  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-November/010586.html

Rich.

-- 
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live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into Xen guests.
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[Ryan McDougall]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 06:34:07PM +0200, Ryan McDougall wrote:
> > dbus,
>  problematic -- see below
>  
>  DBus is a real delight to package.  There's a fork of the base
> dbus
>  package for Windows, called windbus, which I made a rather speculative
>  package from.  It compiles but I'm not sure to what extent is works
>  (also I notice that telepathy needs a more recent dbus):
>
>   http://hg.et.redhat.com/cgi-bin/hg-misc.cgi/fedora-mingw--devel/file/tip/...
>
>  However this really needs someone to take it in hand and sort it out.
>  The situation is mostly summarised here:
>
>   http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-November/010586.html
>
>  Rich. 
Have you got the non-forked dbus to compile for mingw? Have you
divined the difference between windbus and upstream? I just fired an
email off to Tor, because we both appear to be based in finland.

Have you had a chance to speak with the winkde people? I just spotted
this today, so I don't know what they are using. I presume its some
custom cmake files, since they appear to have msvc builds. They also
have dbus.

http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/releases/unstable/latest/

ps. our project is at http://www.realxtend.org

Cheers,

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 07:13:00PM +0200, Ryan McDougall wrote:
>  On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Richard W.M. Jones
> <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  >  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-November/010586.html
>  Have you got the non-forked dbus to compile for mingw? Have you
>  divined the difference between windbus and upstream? I just fired an
>  email off to Tor, because we both appear to be based in finland. 
It's possible, but really it needs someone to first get the windbus
changes upstream into dbus, in small chunks that the dbus developers
can digest.  Basically that's what no one has got around to going yet.

>  Have you had a chance to speak with the winkde people? I just
> spotted
>  this today, so I don't know what they are using. I presume its some
>  custom cmake files, since they appear to have msvc builds. They also
>  have dbus.
>  
>  http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/releases/unstable/latest/ 
No .. Do you know how / on what platform they build these?

>  ps. our project is at http://www.realxtend.org 
Looks good ...

Rich.

-- 
Richard Jones, Emerging Technologies, Red Hat  http://et.redhat.com/~rjones
virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines.  Boot with a
live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into Xen guests.
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[Ryan McDougall]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 07:13:00PM +0200, Ryan McDougall wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> > >  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-November/010586.html
> > Have you got the non-forked dbus to compile for mingw? Have you
> > divined the difference between windbus and upstream? I just fired an
> > email off to Tor, because we both appear to be based in finland.
>
>  It's possible, but really it needs someone to first get the windbus
>  changes upstream into dbus, in small chunks that the dbus developers
>  can digest.  Basically that's what no one has got around to going yet.
>
> > Have you had a chance to speak with the winkde people? I just spotted
> > this today, so I don't know what they are using. I presume its some
> > custom cmake files, since they appear to have msvc builds. They also
> > have dbus.
> >
> > http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/releases/unstable/latest/
>
>  No .. Do you know how / on what platform they build these?
>  
I am guessing its cmake on windows, because its a project to put kde
on windows, kde uses cmake, and they have mscv binaries.

I also heard that windbus is from the same kde people, and is kinda a
stop-gap way to get dbus on windows -- which would explain why its not
as complete as upstream would like, and it doesn't appear as if there
is a hurry to make it more complete...

Will investigate the kde side some more...

Cheers,