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Re: [Fedora Update] [old_testing] rakarrack-0.2.0-5.fc8 / fc9
by Development discussions related to Fedora 27 Jan '26

27 Jan '26

updates(a)fedoraproject.org wrote: > The update for rakarrack-0.2.0-5.fc8 has been in 'testing' status for over 2 weeks. .. > ================================================================================ > rakarrack-0.2.0-5.fc8 > ================================================================================ > Update ID: FEDORA-2008-9033 > Release: Fedora 8 > Status: testing > Type: newpackage > Karma: 0 > Bugs: 455953 - Review Request: rakarrack - Audio effects processing rack > : for guitar > Notes: Initial build of rakarrack for fedora > Submitter: dtimms > Submitted: 2008-10-20 21:46:29 > Comments: dtimms - 2008-10-20 21:46:32 (karma 0) > This update has been submitted for testing > bodhi - 2008-10-23 16:35:19 (karma 0) > This update has been pushed to testing > > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/FEDORA-2008-9033 Hi fedora-music lovers, I would be keen for some feedback on whether rakarrack that is now in fedora testing works for you ? To fully test you'll need a guitar and pickup plugged into your soundcard, but even a go/nogo on whether it starts would be helpful. Where I developed the package, it works OK, but another older AMD machine, it fails during startup. This will help me to decide whether to push it to the F8,F9 updates repos. DaveT.

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whysynth doesn't work
by Florin Andrei 07 Jan '26

07 Jan '26

I got whysynth-dssi-20060122-7.src.rpm from here: http://people.redhat.com/green/FE/devel/ I rebuilt it on FC6 without problems. The thing is, the GUI doesn't show up. The program appears to be working, I see the outputs being automatically routed in qjackctl, but there's no GUI anywhere! ############################################### $ jack-dssi-host whysynth.so jack-dssi-host: Warning: DSSI path not set jack-dssi-host: Defaulting to "/usr/local/lib/dssi:/usr/lib/dssi:/home/florin/.dssi" jack-dssi-host: OSC URL is: osc.udp://rivendell.home.local:15040/dssi/whysynth/WhySynth/chan00 host: Ready WhySynth_gtk starting (pid 4305)... ############################################### -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/

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Music Spin
by Bernardo Barros 15 Aug '10

15 Aug '10

When the Music Spin is comming? Next Fedora release?

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] [LAU] [PlanetCCRMA] edirol usb soundcards
by Bernardo Barros 05 Aug '10

05 Aug '10

sorry, I can't find this file. what is the complete path? And could you point out some guide how I could recompile the driver? 2010/7/28 Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> > > Bernardo Barros wrote: > > Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0582:0064 Roland Corp. EDIROL PCR-1 WAVE > > For some reason, the driver has a quirk only for the MIDI interface of > the PCR-1 but not for the PCM interfaces. > > Try adding the following entry to sound/usb/quirks-table.h or > usbquirks.h and then recompiling the driver: > > > { > USB_DEVICE(0x0582, 0x0064), > .driver_info = (unsigned long) & (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk) { > .vendor_name = "EDIROL", > .product_name = "PCR-1", > .ifnum = QUIRK_ANY_INTERFACE, > .type = QUIRK_COMPOSITE, > .data = (const struct snd_usb_audio_quirk[]) { > { > .ifnum = 1, > .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE > }, > { > .ifnum = 2, > .type = QUIRK_AUDIO_STANDARD_INTERFACE > }, > { > .ifnum = -1 > } > } > } > },

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 26
by William Blackburn 31 Jul '10

31 Jul '10

In response to Bernardo, Unless the threads got mixed up, I think it was Bernardo who suggested making a very nice Fedora Musician/Podcaster Guide. Fedora has a very good name and reputation and leaving the Fedora name as it is may be the best option. We all can agree that it is not very time consuming to make a Fedora install ready for music and pod cast production. And in doing this, users get exposed to CCRMA, and other things that they may not look at otherwise. Maybe we could make a Live .iso and have a nice "howto" that will explain how to tweak the original Fedora install. I am not sure if this is allowed, but the "howto" Wiki could be as simple as copying and pasting and giving credit where credit is due. I have one question. Wouldn't the real time kernel be compromised when using a live .iso? I am new to real time pre-emption so you might need to dumb it down for me :). > From: music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 26 > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:27:54 +0000 > > Send music mailing list submissions to > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > music-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of music digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Christopher R. Antila) > 2. 1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade) (William Blackburn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:40:44 -0400 > From: "Christopher R. Antila" <crantila(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > To: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > Cc: fedora-music-list <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com>, > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimHb-c3D4v2G-ftp7w4f0wrG4poK2+ke_y_CiYT(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi: > > The Fedora Musicians' Guide is an official document being prepared by the > Documentation Project. This carries much more weight than a wiki. > > That said, increased participation would be great, and the Musicians' Guide > is already on the Fedora wiki in my User: pages. These could easily be > transferred into the real wiki, and maintained in sync or independently of > the official documentation, but I don't know if that sort of duplication is > a good idea. What we certainly could do is write complementary chapters > with programs that aren't (yet) in the official guide. Besides, as an > open-source project, the official guide itself is already like a wiki in > that people with free time can contribute with what they know best. > > As for the current state of the Guide, the (terrible) first draft has been > finished for a week, and is available on the wiki. It's now been converted > to DocBook (the format used by the Fedora Docs website), and is stored in a > git repository on a fedorahosted.org account. The plan is to post a draft > to the Fedora Docs website this Tuesday, incorporating many improvements. > I'll post a notice to this list when the draft is ready - the more people > who can read it and find errors, the better! > > The wiki version of the Musicians' Guide, from this point, is not the most > recent version. Notices will be posted soon to indicate this. > > > Christopher. > > On 30 July 2010 18:11, Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > >> > > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > >> additional packages). > > > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > > in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > > and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live > > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter > > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > > > - Karsten > > > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > > -- > > > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > > > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > > gpg: AD0E0C41 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/39dd03e… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:27:50 +0100 > From: William Blackburn <bill_-(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [Fedora-music-list] 1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten > Wade) > To: <music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <SNT133-w48DF2438DFAAA9A207DAADB6AB0(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > From: music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Subject: music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 25 > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:41:06 +0000 > > > > Send music mailing list submissions to > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > In responce to Karsten Wade, > > I think Karsten has made some very good points. Why don't we go ahead and make a 'remix' and we can start collaborating and getting it up to a distributable .iso. We want this to be something that we would install as opposed to installing the basic Fedora distro and then patching the kernel. If we don't wanna use it, then chances are that others will feel the same way. I also agree with a wiki article for Fedora musicians/podcasters. We do need the support of ambassadors and people who represent Fedora at conferences. Unless there is some fundamental disagreements, maybe we should go forward with a CCRMA kernel remix. Feedback please. > > -Bill (Fedora villager) > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > music-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of music digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade) > > 2. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade) > > 3. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros) > > 4. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros) > > 5. Renamed sping page to be wiki-friendly (was music spin > > development. I am ready to test/help with the audio spin.) > > (Karsten Wade) > > 6. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Christopher R. Antila) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:20:49 -0700 > > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: <20100730212049.GE13311(a)calliope.phig.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 03:01:20PM -0400, Christopher Antila wrote: > > > > > > Maybe I'm way off-base here, and certainly I'm still very new to Fedora > > > and the Audio Creation SIG, but a dedicated spin seems like something > > > that you can't just sort of do. We'd have to be at the level of these: > > > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ > > > > I will point out that a Fedora Remix is a great way to get an alpha of > > what would become a formal spin: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix > > > > "Fedora Remix" is something you can call a product regardless of > > what's in it, essentially. There is a remix of Fedora called 'Omega > > Linux' that is essentially Fedora+patent encumbered bits. > > > > So, one or a few people could put together e.g. "Planet CCRMA Live, a > > Fedora Remix" by this weekend that does exactly what you say right now > > - JACK as default, realtime kernel, patent encumbered bits easy to > > access (such as a how to in the installation guide for it that says > > what rpmfusion.org packages to install.) Heck, you could use the > > Fedora Installation Guide (or the quickstart version), rebrand it, and > > add in all the parts that you need for this remix. > > > > Aside from having a cool remix of Fedora, what would you have? > > > > * A proof point. People could see right now what you are talking > > about, and start talking about how things can be done in Fedora to > > get equivalent functionality. For example, people may need > > convincing that you have the chops as a SIG to maintain an alternate > > kernel; prove it by supporting a remix for a few releases. > > > > * A short-term solution to get the best FOSS audio software out in > > people's hands. > > > > * Training grounds. There is some heavy lifting to be done for a > > spin, as you point out, and a remix is a legitimate way for people > > to learn the same sets of skills needed for a formal spin. In > > particular I suspect getting more packagers trained and committed > > will benefit from real people holding a real CD and thinking, "Wow, > > how can I help make this better?" > > > > * Something we can give out to start growing the interest. I'll > > commit to burning a spool of a Fedora audio remix to carry around > > and hand out. Maybe someone will design a cool CD sleeve I can print > > and glue. All of this interest requires an actual ISO to burn, and > > I know I'm not doing it myself. > > > > * Makes a nice addition to an original "Fedora Musician's Guide" (or a > > rebranded version of that to include all the how-to-get-MP3-support > > bits.) ;-) > > > > - Karsten > > -- > > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > gpg: AD0E0C41 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: not available > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 189 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/64d17d6… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:35:58 -0700 > > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list > > <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com> > > Message-ID: <20100730213558.GF13311(a)calliope.phig.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > > > Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > > demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > > additional packages). > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > - Karsten > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > -- > > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > gpg: AD0E0C41 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: not available > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 189 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/f8130f4… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:11:11 -0300 > > From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list > > <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com> > > Message-ID: > > <AANLkTinFdmwm_AEGzzm5r47xcWz1iq4dN5TOr2pJDzPh(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > >> > > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > >> additional packages). > > > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > > in this thread. ?If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > > and carry around copies. ?Especially if it were able to run as a live > > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." ?I talk with far more of the latter > > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > > > - Karsten > > > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > > -- > > > name: ?Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > > team: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Red Hat Community Architecture > > > uri: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > > gpg: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AD0E0C41 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:11:11 -0300 > > From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list > > <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com> > > Message-ID: > > <AANLkTinFdmwm_AEGzzm5r47xcWz1iq4dN5TOr2pJDzPh(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > >> > > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > >> additional packages). > > > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > > in this thread. ?If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > > and carry around copies. ?Especially if it were able to run as a live > > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." ?I talk with far more of the latter > > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > > > - Karsten > > > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > > -- > > > name: ?Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > > team: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Red Hat Community Architecture > > > uri: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > > gpg: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AD0E0C41 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:10:47 -0700 > > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > > Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Renamed sping page to be wiki-friendly > > (was music spin development. I am ready to test/help with the audio > > spin.) > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: <20100731001047.GM13311(a)calliope.phig.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 05:54:45PM +1000, David Timms wrote: > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreationSpinDevelopment > > > > I just renamed that page, which sets up an automatic redirect. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development > > > > (Sorry for the after notice, but it shouldn't affect your usage, and > > this is just part of the wiki gardening service.) > > > > The reasoning for descriptive names with spaces is explained here: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NAMING > > > > The most relevant reason here is that a search for "audio" via the > > MediaWiki search would not have turned up the page under the title > > search. > > > > - Karsten > > -- > > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > gpg: AD0E0C41 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: not available > > Type: application/pgp-signature > > Size: 189 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/35f5890… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:40:44 -0400 > > From: "Christopher R. Antila" <crantila(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > > Cc: fedora-music-list <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com>, > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: > > <AANLkTimHb-c3D4v2G-ftp7w4f0wrG4poK2+ke_y_CiYT(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi: > > > > The Fedora Musicians' Guide is an official document being prepared by the > > Documentation Project. This carries much more weight than a wiki. > > > > That said, increased participation would be great, and the Musicians' Guide > > is already on the Fedora wiki in my User: pages. These could easily be > > transferred into the real wiki, and maintained in sync or independently of > > the official documentation, but I don't know if that sort of duplication is > > a good idea. What we certainly could do is write complementary chapters > > with programs that aren't (yet) in the official guide. Besides, as an > > open-source project, the official guide itself is already like a wiki in > > that people with free time can contribute with what they know best. > > > > As for the current state of the Guide, the (terrible) first draft has been > > finished for a week, and is available on the wiki. It's now been converted > > to DocBook (the format used by the Fedora Docs website), and is stored in a > > git repository on a fedorahosted.org account. The plan is to post a draft > > to the Fedora Docs website this Tuesday, incorporating many improvements. > > I'll post a notice to this list when the draft is ready - the more people > > who can read it and find errors, the better! > > > > The wiki version of the Musicians' Guide, from this point, is not the most > > recent version. Notices will be posted soon to indicate this. > > > > > > Christopher. > > > > On 30 July 2010 18:11, Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > > > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > > > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > > > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > > > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > > > > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > > >> additional packages). > > > > > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > > > in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > > > and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live > > > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter > > > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > > > > > - Karsten > > > > > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > > > -- > > > > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > > > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > > > > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > > > gpg: AD0E0C41 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > music mailing list > > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/39dd03e… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > End of music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 25 > > ************************************* > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100731/c990d36… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > End of music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 26 > *************************************

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1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade)
by William Blackburn 31 Jul '10

31 Jul '10

> From: music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 25 > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:41:06 +0000 > > Send music mailing list submissions to > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > In responce to Karsten Wade, I think Karsten has made some very good points. Why don't we go ahead and make a 'remix' and we can start collaborating and getting it up to a distributable .iso. We want this to be something that we would install as opposed to installing the basic Fedora distro and then patching the kernel. If we don't wanna use it, then chances are that others will feel the same way. I also agree with a wiki article for Fedora musicians/podcasters. We do need the support of ambassadors and people who represent Fedora at conferences. Unless there is some fundamental disagreements, maybe we should go forward with a CCRMA kernel remix. Feedback please. -Bill (Fedora villager) > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > music-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of music digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade) > 2. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Karsten Wade) > 3. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros) > 4. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros) > 5. Renamed sping page to be wiki-friendly (was music spin > development. I am ready to test/help with the audio spin.) > (Karsten Wade) > 6. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Christopher R. Antila) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:20:49 -0700 > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <20100730212049.GE13311(a)calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 03:01:20PM -0400, Christopher Antila wrote: > > > > Maybe I'm way off-base here, and certainly I'm still very new to Fedora > > and the Audio Creation SIG, but a dedicated spin seems like something > > that you can't just sort of do. We'd have to be at the level of these: > > http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ > > I will point out that a Fedora Remix is a great way to get an alpha of > what would become a formal spin: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix > > "Fedora Remix" is something you can call a product regardless of > what's in it, essentially. There is a remix of Fedora called 'Omega > Linux' that is essentially Fedora+patent encumbered bits. > > So, one or a few people could put together e.g. "Planet CCRMA Live, a > Fedora Remix" by this weekend that does exactly what you say right now > - JACK as default, realtime kernel, patent encumbered bits easy to > access (such as a how to in the installation guide for it that says > what rpmfusion.org packages to install.) Heck, you could use the > Fedora Installation Guide (or the quickstart version), rebrand it, and > add in all the parts that you need for this remix. > > Aside from having a cool remix of Fedora, what would you have? > > * A proof point. People could see right now what you are talking > about, and start talking about how things can be done in Fedora to > get equivalent functionality. For example, people may need > convincing that you have the chops as a SIG to maintain an alternate > kernel; prove it by supporting a remix for a few releases. > > * A short-term solution to get the best FOSS audio software out in > people's hands. > > * Training grounds. There is some heavy lifting to be done for a > spin, as you point out, and a remix is a legitimate way for people > to learn the same sets of skills needed for a formal spin. In > particular I suspect getting more packagers trained and committed > will benefit from real people holding a real CD and thinking, "Wow, > how can I help make this better?" > > * Something we can give out to start growing the interest. I'll > commit to burning a spool of a Fedora audio remix to carry around > and hand out. Maybe someone will design a cool CD sleeve I can print > and glue. All of this interest requires an actual ISO to burn, and > I know I'm not doing it myself. > > * Makes a nice addition to an original "Fedora Musician's Guide" (or a > rebranded version of that to include all the how-to-get-MP3-support > bits.) ;-) > > - Karsten > -- > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > gpg: AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/64d17d6… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:35:58 -0700 > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list > <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: <20100730213558.GF13311(a)calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > additional packages). > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter > at FOSS events, etc. > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > - Karsten > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > -- > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > gpg: AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/f8130f4… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:11:11 -0300 > From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list > <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinFdmwm_AEGzzm5r47xcWz1iq4dN5TOr2pJDzPh(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > >> > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > >> additional packages). > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > in this thread. ?If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > and carry around copies. ?Especially if it were able to run as a live > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." ?I talk with far more of the latter > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > - Karsten > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > -- > > name: ?Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > team: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Red Hat Community Architecture > > uri: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > gpg: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AD0E0C41 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:11:11 -0300 > From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, fedora-music-list > <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinFdmwm_AEGzzm5r47xcWz1iq4dN5TOr2pJDzPh(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > >> > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > >> additional packages). > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > in this thread. ?If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > and carry around copies. ?Especially if it were able to run as a live > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." ?I talk with far more of the latter > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > - Karsten > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > -- > > name: ?Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > team: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Red Hat Community Architecture > > uri: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > gpg: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AD0E0C41 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:10:47 -0700 > From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> > Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Renamed sping page to be wiki-friendly > (was music spin development. I am ready to test/help with the audio > spin.) > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <20100731001047.GM13311(a)calliope.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 05:54:45PM +1000, David Timms wrote: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreationSpinDevelopment > > I just renamed that page, which sets up an automatic redirect. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development > > (Sorry for the after notice, but it shouldn't affect your usage, and > this is just part of the wiki gardening service.) > > The reasoning for descriptive names with spaces is explained here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NAMING > > The most relevant reason here is that a search for "audio" via the > MediaWiki search would not have turned up the page under the title > search. > > - Karsten > -- > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > gpg: AD0E0C41 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/35f5890… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:40:44 -0400 > From: "Christopher R. Antila" <crantila(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > To: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > Cc: fedora-music-list <fedora-music-list(a)redhat.com>, > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimHb-c3D4v2G-ftp7w4f0wrG4poK2+ke_y_CiYT(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi: > > The Fedora Musicians' Guide is an official document being prepared by the > Documentation Project. This carries much more weight than a wiki. > > That said, increased participation would be great, and the Musicians' Guide > is already on the Fedora wiki in my User: pages. These could easily be > transferred into the real wiki, and maintained in sync or independently of > the official documentation, but I don't know if that sort of duplication is > a good idea. What we certainly could do is write complementary chapters > with programs that aren't (yet) in the official guide. Besides, as an > open-source project, the official guide itself is already like a wiki in > that people with free time can contribute with what they know best. > > As for the current state of the Guide, the (terrible) first draft has been > finished for a week, and is available on the wiki. It's now been converted > to DocBook (the format used by the Fedora Docs website), and is stored in a > git repository on a fedorahosted.org account. The plan is to post a draft > to the Fedora Docs website this Tuesday, incorporating many improvements. > I'll post a notice to this list when the draft is ready - the more people > who can read it and find errors, the better! > > The wiki version of the Musicians' Guide, from this point, is not the most > recent version. Notices will be posted soon to indicate this. > > > Christopher. > > On 30 July 2010 18:11, Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why not make the Fedora Musician's Guide a wiki like project that > > people with some free time could contribute with they know best? There > > is already the FLOSS manual for Ardour and PureData that has already > > done some work in this direction. And it is nice because you can make > > a snapshot of the wiki and print a PDF from the website. > > > > 2010/7/30 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>: > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19:32AM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > >> > > >> Same here as in the Fedora side, not enough manpower (and not enough > > >> demand, it is easy to install Fedora and then add a repo for any > > >> additional packages). > > > > > > I tend to agree, just wanted to reiterate my offer from another place > > > in this thread. If there were enough interest to do 'Planet CCRMA > > > Audio Workstation, a Fedora Remix'[1], I and people like me would burn > > > and carry around copies. Especially if it were able to run as a live > > > Linux from a CD, DVD, or USB thumb drive, I would give copies to all > > > my musician and audio friends to boot to and try out. > > > > > > It's the difference between, "Already-committed so I am going to install > > > and enable a repo," and "I don't know that Linux can work for me as a > > > musician/producer/podcaster/etc." I talk with far more of the latter > > > at FOSS events, etc. > > > > > > I can't guarantee numbers, but I'm sure if you had an audio remix > > > available that people knew about, the Fedora Ambassadors around the > > > globe would start handing them out for the same reasons I said above. > > > > > > - Karsten > > > > > > [1] Don't turn to me for naming, clearly. :) > > > -- > > > name: Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Sr. Community Gardener > > > team: Red Hat Community Architecture > > > uri: http://TheOpenSourceWay.org/wiki > > > gpg: AD0E0C41 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20100730/39dd03e… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > End of music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 25 > *************************************

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music spin development. I am ready to test/help with the audio spin.
by William Blackburn 31 Jul '10

31 Jul '10

hello everyone, I apologize for my ramblings this morning about the decision on whether or not to use the real time pre-emption patch. If there is anything I can do to help move the spin forward, just let me know. I am more than willing to help. I think one important aspect may be to put the new version of rakarrack on the spin because the version in the repos is a bit outdated and that particular package is moving very fast. There are instructions on how to build the package on the rakarrack website but I am not experienced enough to know how to incorporate that into the spin. Maybe I can talk to one of the devs and ask him his thoughts on the idea. That's all I have for now. Until next time, ciao! (tertl3) > From: music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 14 > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:57:06 +0000 > > Send music mailing list submissions to > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > music-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of music digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 (William Blackburn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:57:03 +0100 > From: William Blackburn <bill_-(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 > To: <music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <SNT133-w47CF783E49056989D7B0EAB6A30(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I would like to second the notion that a real time kernel would be the best option for this distro. I hate to be a pessimist, but I don't see the point of making a music spin if it is going to have the same kernel as the the standard fedora distro. Anyone can add packages, but a working rt kernel is special. Also, if the real time kernel gets added, I think it may receive more attention and maybe get some nice improvements. If we have to call it a remix and not spin, that is not important to me. What is important is how useful it is to musicians and musicians do not like latency. I understand that the kernel patch can be installed quite easily and this is just my opinion. Please feel free to object to me or to correct me. :) > > > From: music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Subject: music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:20:00 +0000 > > > > Send music mailing list submissions to > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > music-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of music digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Music spin development - are you ready to get involved ? > > (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) > > 2. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) > > 3. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Bernardo Barros) > > 4. Re: Music spin development - are you ready to get involved ? > > (Bernardo Barros) > > 5. Re: Music spin development - are you ready to get involved ? > > (Christopher Antila) > > 6. Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:13:14 -0700 > > From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Music spin development - are you > > ready to get involved ? > > To: David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: <1279732394.22338.2.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 01:19 +1000, David Timms wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have begun a wiki page to help track our goals for an audio creation > > > Fedora spin: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreationSpinDevelopment > > > , also available from the links at the bottom of the SIG page: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_Creation > > > > > > If you want to be involved, please make sure you have a Fedora wiki > > > account (fas), and list yourself in the collaborators section. > > > > > > You'll probably find many areas of the page need flashing out or fixing > > > up; please do so, but also consider the limited time frame before the > > > next Fedora release. > > > > > > A name like "Open Music Workstation" ... or "Fedora Jam", but you can > > > think of better, I'm sure... > > > > > > Meanwhile, as we are trying to show off collaboration, is there any > > > software that allows distant users to jam / create music over the > > > internet ? This would be something really quite unique, compared to > > > other spins. > > > > Jacktrip, already part of Planet CCRMA, see: > > https://ccrma.stanford.edu/groups/soundwire/ > > > > and in particular: > > http://code.google.com/p/jacktrip/ > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:21:55 -0700 > > From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: David Sommerseth <davids(a)redhat.com> > > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: <1279732915.22338.11.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:35 +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On 19/07/10 18:57, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 13:46 -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote: > > > >> > For this low-level task some engineering would be required? I'm not > > > >> > this kind of guy who know much about tasks scheduling and priorities > > > >> > (kernel level) but some people told me that real-time kernels patches > > > >> > could slow down Fedora and I should not use it. > > > > > > > > Did those people by any chance provide you with _numbers_ that tell you > > > > exactly what part of the kernel is impacted and by how much? (and, who > > > > are they?) My guess is probably not. > > > > > > > > Yes, perhaps the rt patches could affect performance. Maybe. In some > > > > subsystems (disk i/o, network come to mind). Maybe by a few %, in some > > > > specific situations. I don't think the impact will be something you will > > > > notice unless you measure it. > > > > > > To put things a bit straight. Yes, RT kernel will affect performance. > > > Point. > > > > Agreed (for the reasons you explain below). > > > > I'd like to add that in the context of real-time performance for audio, > > the lack of an RT kernel will also affect performance for the worse. So, > > it depends on your goals. In the context of this list (music) Bernardo > > comments he got the recommendation to not run RT kernels for performance > > reasons ("some people told me that real-time kernels patches could slow > > down Fedora and I should not use it"). > > > > If you are running a server, don't (unless, of course, you print money > > by running thousands of trades a minute and you need millisecond > > scheduling for that - that is why we have the rt patches after all :-). > > If you are running a music oriented workstation that should handle > > real-time interaction, then I'd say yes, run it. > > > > There are no black and white rules here. If you try the Fedora kernel > > and it works for you in your particular music oriented situation then > > run that. > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > > > Will you notice it effectively on "normal desktop tasks"? Probably not > > > much, but it depends on how your system is saturated, tuned and what > > > kind of loads you have running. Real Time is not Real Fast and never > > > will be. A real time kernel will not give any fair scheduling to your > > > system, basically. > > > > (depends on your definition of "fair", for the purposes of an RT kernel > > it schedules processes fairly, giving the rt tasks priority as is > > intended by design). > > > > > All tasks (processes) which is set to use the SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR > > > scheduling, even on the lowest priority will preempt and run it first > > > over, ignoring all other SCHED_OTHER (normal) processes. SCHED_FIFO and > > > SCHED_RR tasks with the highest priority will be processed before all > > > other tasks, whenever they receive signals which requires these > > > processes to run. This is the core nature of a real time system. > > > > > > So if you don't have many SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR tasks, and that they > > > are light - you most probably will not notice anything at all. But in > > > the moment you begin with heavy I/O dependent operations or other > > > operations which requires processing time and the kernel have given them > > > SCHED_FIFO scheduling and a rather high priority (which is not > > > uncommon), it will slow down all the other running tasks. But this > > > behaviour is possible to tune! > > > > > > So why would you want to run a real time kernel instead of a so called > > > "real fast" kernel (normal kernels)? Latency determination. A real > > > time kernel will strive to give you a predictable system latency, no > > > matter how loaded your computer is. Which is a key-point for audio and > > > video - you don't want the sound or video stream to be delayed because > > > cron and updatedb wants to run. > > > > > > Some relevant information can be found here: > > > > > > <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_I…> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_R…> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_T…> > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > David Sommerseth > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAkxHE9YACgkQIIWEatLf4He6ZwCgjaodaHQY0KJue5TfTZiVhE0d > > > mIEAnRksu5hm9bP6oGUu5ufRh2V1ESt/ > > > =vj0G > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:18:16 -0300 > > From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.stanford.edu> > > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: > > <AANLkTilHaP29jI3NnWHELlcH0rUPxzkbmBADvgq_3EkF(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Thank you Fernando and David, > > > > Yes, the person that gave me advise was not an audio oriented guy. > > That?s more clear now. > > > > Just a newbie question here: do you have to determine what programs > > will have privileges? How the system knows how to handle taks of audio > > and non-audio programs at the same time? > > > > 2010/7/21 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.stanford.edu>: > > > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:35 +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > >> > > >> On 19/07/10 18:57, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > >> > On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 13:46 -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote: > > >> >> > For this low-level task some engineering would be required? I'm not > > >> >> > this kind of guy who know much about tasks scheduling and priorities > > >> >> > (kernel level) but some people told me that real-time kernels patches > > >> >> > could slow down Fedora and I should not use it. > > >> > > > >> > Did those people by any chance provide you with _numbers_ that tell you > > >> > exactly what part of the kernel is impacted and by how much? (and, who > > >> > are they?) My guess is probably not. > > >> > > > >> > Yes, perhaps the rt patches could affect performance. Maybe. In some > > >> > subsystems (disk i/o, network come to mind). Maybe by a few %, in some > > >> > specific situations. I don't think the impact will be something you will > > >> > notice unless you measure it. > > >> > > >> To put things a bit straight. ?Yes, RT kernel will affect performance. > > >> Point. > > > > > > Agreed (for the reasons you explain below). > > > > > > I'd like to add that in the context of real-time performance for audio, > > > the lack of an RT kernel will also affect performance for the worse. So, > > > it depends on your goals. In the context of this list (music) Bernardo > > > comments he got the recommendation to not run RT kernels for performance > > > reasons ("some people told me that real-time kernels patches could slow > > > down Fedora and I should not use it"). > > > > > > If you are running a server, don't (unless, of course, you print money > > > by running thousands of trades a minute and you need millisecond > > > scheduling for that - that is why we have the rt patches after all :-). > > > If you are running a music oriented workstation that should handle > > > real-time interaction, then I'd say yes, run it. > > > > > > There are no black and white rules here. If you try the Fedora kernel > > > and it works for you in your particular music oriented situation then > > > run that. > > > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > > > > >> Will you notice it effectively on "normal desktop tasks"? ?Probably not > > >> much, but it depends on how your system is saturated, tuned and what > > >> kind of loads you have running. ?Real Time is not Real Fast and never > > >> will be. ?A real time kernel will not give any fair scheduling to your > > >> system, basically. > > > > > > (depends on your definition of "fair", for the purposes of an RT kernel > > > it schedules processes fairly, giving the rt tasks priority as is > > > intended by design). > > > > > >> All tasks (processes) which is set to use the SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR > > >> scheduling, even on the lowest priority will preempt and run it first > > >> over, ignoring all other SCHED_OTHER (normal) processes. ?SCHED_FIFO and > > >> SCHED_RR tasks with the highest priority will be processed before all > > >> other tasks, whenever they receive signals which requires these > > >> processes to run. ?This is the core nature of a real time system. > > >> > > >> So if you don't have many SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR tasks, and that they > > >> are light - you most probably will not notice anything at all. ?But in > > >> the moment you begin with heavy I/O dependent operations or other > > >> operations which requires processing time and the kernel have given them > > >> SCHED_FIFO scheduling and a rather high priority (which is not > > >> uncommon), it will slow down all the other running tasks. ?But this > > >> behaviour is possible to tune! > > >> > > >> So why would you want to run a real time kernel instead of a so called > > >> "real fast" kernel (normal kernels)? ?Latency determination. ?A real > > >> time kernel will strive to give you a predictable system latency, no > > >> matter how loaded your computer is. ?Which is a key-point for audio and > > >> video - you don't want the sound or video stream to be delayed because > > >> cron and updatedb wants to run. > > >> > > >> Some relevant information can be found here: > > >> > > >> <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_I…> > > >> > > >> > > >> <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_R…> > > >> > > >> > > >> <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_T…> > > >> > > >> > > >> kind regards, > > >> > > >> David Sommerseth > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > >> > > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkxHE9YACgkQIIWEatLf4He6ZwCgjaodaHQY0KJue5TfTZiVhE0d > > >> mIEAnRksu5hm9bP6oGUu5ufRh2V1ESt/ > > >> =vj0G > > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> music mailing list > > >> music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:20:50 -0300 > > From: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Music spin development - are you > > ready to get involved ? > > To: David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: > > <AANLkTik2UTrKoyXjUv7GPmMkqg1CcCNCZGAFrmFtvt0D(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > 2010/7/21 David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au>: > > > A name like "Open Music Workstation" ... or "Fedora Jam", but you can > > > think of better, I'm sure... > > > > My suggestion is "Planet Music" Spin as an hommenage to the work of > > Fernando to the Linux Audio community. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:16:20 -0400 > > From: Christopher Antila <crantila(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Music spin development - are you > > ready to get involved ? > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: <4C478DD4.9010509(a)fedoraproject.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hello: > > > > Thanks to David for getting this started for us. I was going to post a > > (nearly empty) wiki page for this purpose today, but it's better that a > > more experienced user does it. > > > > I'll be adding my comments to the wiki pages as appropriate, and I > > everybody else joins in, too. > > > > Also, I don't want to be beating people over the head with this, but the > > Docs SIG is publishing a Guide for music and audio software with Fedora > > 14. We'll have to see exactly how these fit together, but remember that > > the Guide will be there. > > > > Finally, since I'm in fairly regular contact with Docs, I'll take > > responsibility for maintaining the Audio Creation <-> Docs link, if the > > Spin goes ahead. First step is to ask if we can add a "beat" in the > > Release Notes ("What's new in Fedora 14 for Musicians?" or something > > like that). If you don't know what this is, check out the Fedora 13 > > release notes... it would probably fall under chapter 7: > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Release_Notes/index.html > > > > > > Let's get this thing rolling! > > > > Christopher. > > > > > > On 07/21/2010 11:19 AM, David Timms wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have begun a wiki page to help track our goals for an audio creation > > > Fedora spin: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreationSpinDevelopment > > > , also available from the links at the bottom of the SIG page: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_Creation > > > > > > If you want to be involved, please make sure you have a Fedora wiki > > > account (fas), and list yourself in the collaborators section. > > > > > > You'll probably find many areas of the page need flashing out or fixing > > > up; please do so, but also consider the limited time frame before the > > > next Fedora release. > > > > > > A name like "Open Music Workstation" ... or "Fedora Jam", but you can > > > think of better, I'm sure... > > > > > > Meanwhile, as we are trying to show off collaboration, is there any > > > software that allows distant users to jam / create music over the > > > internet ? This would be something really quite unique, compared to > > > other spins. > > > > > > Cheers, David. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > music mailing list > > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:19:31 -0700 > > From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] [PlanetCCRMA] Music Spin > > To: Bernardo Barros <bernardobarros2(a)gmail.com> > > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Message-ID: <1279779571.25375.245.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 15:18 -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote: > > > Thank you Fernando and David, > > > > > > Yes, the person that gave me advise was not an audio oriented guy. > > > That?s more clear now. > > > > > > Just a newbie question here: do you have to determine what programs > > > will have privileges? How the system knows how to handle taks of audio > > > and non-audio programs at the same time? > > > > You don't have to worry about determining which programs will have > > privileges (at least directly). > > > > If you run Jack with real-time scheduling (if you use Qjackctl you have > > to set the "Realtime" parameter in "Setup" and the user that is running > > Jack has to be allowed to use real-time scheduling), then the audio > > threads within any Jack client will run with real-time scheduling > > automatically. > > > > All other threads in all your programs will run with "normal" scheduling > > and will have less priority (that includes, for example, graphic i/o > > threads or file i/o threads in the Jack audio programs - those don't > > have elevated priority). > > > > It is all designed to make sure the chances of an audio glitch happening > > are as small as possible. > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > > > 2010/7/21 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.stanford.edu>: > > > > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:35 +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > > >> > > > >> On 19/07/10 18:57, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > >> > On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 13:46 -0300, Bernardo Barros wrote: > > > >> >> > For this low-level task some engineering would be required? I'm not > > > >> >> > this kind of guy who know much about tasks scheduling and priorities > > > >> >> > (kernel level) but some people told me that real-time kernels patches > > > >> >> > could slow down Fedora and I should not use it. > > > >> > > > > >> > Did those people by any chance provide you with _numbers_ that tell you > > > >> > exactly what part of the kernel is impacted and by how much? (and, who > > > >> > are they?) My guess is probably not. > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, perhaps the rt patches could affect performance. Maybe. In some > > > >> > subsystems (disk i/o, network come to mind). Maybe by a few %, in some > > > >> > specific situations. I don't think the impact will be something you will > > > >> > notice unless you measure it. > > > >> > > > >> To put things a bit straight. Yes, RT kernel will affect performance. > > > >> Point. > > > > > > > > Agreed (for the reasons you explain below). > > > > > > > > I'd like to add that in the context of real-time performance for audio, > > > > the lack of an RT kernel will also affect performance for the worse. So, > > > > it depends on your goals. In the context of this list (music) Bernardo > > > > comments he got the recommendation to not run RT kernels for performance > > > > reasons ("some people told me that real-time kernels patches could slow > > > > down Fedora and I should not use it"). > > > > > > > > If you are running a server, don't (unless, of course, you print money > > > > by running thousands of trades a minute and you need millisecond > > > > scheduling for that - that is why we have the rt patches after all :-). > > > > If you are running a music oriented workstation that should handle > > > > real-time interaction, then I'd say yes, run it. > > > > > > > > There are no black and white rules here. If you try the Fedora kernel > > > > and it works for you in your particular music oriented situation then > > > > run that. > > > > > > > > -- Fernando > > > > > > > > > > > >> Will you notice it effectively on "normal desktop tasks"? Probably not > > > >> much, but it depends on how your system is saturated, tuned and what > > > >> kind of loads you have running. Real Time is not Real Fast and never > > > >> will be. A real time kernel will not give any fair scheduling to your > > > >> system, basically. > > > > > > > > (depends on your definition of "fair", for the purposes of an RT kernel > > > > it schedules processes fairly, giving the rt tasks priority as is > > > > intended by design). > > > > > > > >> All tasks (processes) which is set to use the SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR > > > >> scheduling, even on the lowest priority will preempt and run it first > > > >> over, ignoring all other SCHED_OTHER (normal) processes. SCHED_FIFO and > > > >> SCHED_RR tasks with the highest priority will be processed before all > > > >> other tasks, whenever they receive signals which requires these > > > >> processes to run. This is the core nature of a real time system. > > > >> > > > >> So if you don't have many SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR tasks, and that they > > > >> are light - you most probably will not notice anything at all. But in > > > >> the moment you begin with heavy I/O dependent operations or other > > > >> operations which requires processing time and the kernel have given them > > > >> SCHED_FIFO scheduling and a rather high priority (which is not > > > >> uncommon), it will slow down all the other running tasks. But this > > > >> behaviour is possible to tune! > > > >> > > > >> So why would you want to run a real time kernel instead of a so called > > > >> "real fast" kernel (normal kernels)? Latency determination. A real > > > >> time kernel will strive to give you a predictable system latency, no > > > >> matter how loaded your computer is. Which is a key-point for audio and > > > >> video - you don't want the sound or video stream to be delayed because > > > >> cron and updatedb wants to run. > > > >> > > > >> Some relevant information can be found here: > > > >> > > > >> <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_I…> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_R…> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> <http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.2/html/Realtime_T…> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> kind regards, > > > >> > > > >> David Sommerseth > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > >> > > > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkxHE9YACgkQIIWEatLf4He6ZwCgjaodaHQY0KJue5TfTZiVhE0d > > > >> mIEAnRksu5hm9bP6oGUu5ufRh2V1ESt/ > > > >> =vj0G > > > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> music mailing list > > > >> music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > > >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > End of music Digest, Vol 44, Issue 13 > > ************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ > Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music list - no owner
by Development discussions related to Fedora 30 Jul '10

30 Jul '10

On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote: > Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, > it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists: > - when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the > reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient. > > - on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the > original author, only. > > For a collaboration list, this is rather limiting: > - ideas/answers get sent back to an individual, rather than all list > members (by default). People feel like they are being singled out. > - it feels more like one on one communication, rather than trying to > build a "team" of interested people. Other interested parties miss the > communication. > > Could the list configuration be checked and adjusted so that the > reply-to music@list header is included ? > > Or should this be requested elsewhere ? > > Would you like me to announce the proposed change on the list incase > anyone considers it a bad idea ? Hi All, At the moment,the fedora music list has no owner: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/136608/focus=136609 , and hence there is no one to perform a change like the above. Ideally: 1. we have an actual list owner / owners 2. depending upon our consensus: we should have the configured with reply-to munging, so that hitting reply causes to to: address to be the list address. Are there any people who would like to take up the owner task ? What do people think about 'enhancing' our collaboration by using the reply-to munging as many other fedora lits use ? David Timms

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] [LAU] [PlanetCCRMA] edirol usb soundcards
by Bernardo Barros 27 Jul '10

27 Jul '10

2010/7/27, Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de>: > How did you configure your sound cards? > What is the output of "lsusb -v" for the PCR-1? lsusb -v -D PCR1 Cannot open PCR1 How should I configure it ? I have planet-ccrma that installs alsa driver, right? I should go through this http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-usb-audio ?? Thanks for the help, btw linux still sucks with soundcards...

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edirol usb soundcards
by Bernardo Barros 27 Jul '10

27 Jul '10

Hi, I'm trying to get two soundcards to work. One MOTU UltraLite with FFADO and a USB Edirol PCR-1. No Luck with either. What should I do to configure the Edirol? (Maybe the easier one?) The core installation of planet-ccrma is enough? I tried to start up JACK but the system does not recognize the soundcard. (Fedora 13 64-bit with planet-ccrma). Thanks! Bernardo

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