I'm in, but is there a IRC channel you all hang out in? I join #fedora-audio but there's not much going on there it seems, but maybe I'm just on at the wrong times.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brendan Jones <brendan.jones.it@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Traditionally Fedora has been known to walk the bleeding edge in free and open source software development but for some reason this has never been realised in the realms of pro-audio/music creation.

Fedora has never really attracted the support of the audio development community, and as a direct result has only flagging support from audio users, enthusiasts and professionals alike.

I think there are a number of reasons for this:
 1) Strict packaging and licensing guidelines,
 2) relatively short release support cycles
 3) the absence of an stock RT kernel
 4) the effort required to tailor an installation for audio use

Distributions like Debian/Ubuntu/Arch (and others like AVLinux) have garnered strong support because they in some way address all of these issues. Fedora however...

1) and 2) we can't change. In fact at the end of the day these strengthen the distribution by making the packages we ship more robust and closer to upstream. It also demands a certain amount of love to ensure that updates/ABI bumps/breakages are dealt with decisively and swiftly. It also means that audio developers are more unlikely to maintain their own packages in Fedora (we need more maintainers)

3) I can't see happening any time soon. The kernel team maintain so many out of tree patches already that I don't think they really have the time nor desire to maintain the realtime kernel as well. I don't see this as a problem - recent kernels have incorporated much of the the rt kernel patches of old and should satisfy most users. For those with more stringent requirements can rely on the CCRMA patched kernels

4) is where I think an audio spin comes into play. If we can collate/automate all of the steps involved in setting up Fedora for audio production we will attract both users and maintainers alike alleviating the problems caused by 1 and 2.

I'm proposing to formally revive the past Fedora Audio Spin / Music Creation efforts of a couple of years ago in time for an F18 Audio spin release. This means we have one whole release cycle to get all of the packages we require into stable so they can be available for Live composes for the F18 release cycle.

Apart from packaging efforts, the last few weeks for me has been an information gathering exercise. More on this soon, but briefly, the current to do list is:
 - pulling in all of the must have packages from CCRMA
 - determining the package list
 - packaging the Fedora Musician's guide
 - repackaging/patching rpmfusion packages for Fedora (qtractor and
  others if required)
 - developing sane RT priorities for the stock kernels (threadirqs)
 - consensus on distribution media, default desktop/supported desktops
 - default systemd enabled services
 - themes and artwork
 - resubmit the Spin proposal for F18

If you want to contribute, here's how:
 - become a contributor/get a FAS account [1] and join the
  music-creation group
 - help maintain the audio creation wiki's  (formalize the to do
  list)[2][3] - this is really out of date. Many packages have been
  orphaned or are already in Fedora. Needs to be brought in line
  with the package database [5]. I'm not convinced that this page
  really needs to be so detailed. Wish lsit is probably the most
 - register your interest in the contributor section of the audio
  spin wiki [3]
 - help test new packages - I will be listing all upcoming changes on
  this list and I encourage other package maintainers to do the same
 - become a tester or packager of audio packages [4][5]
 - help test the new spins as we make them available.
 - join Chris in his documentation efforts [7]
 - volunteer desktop artwork
 - and most importantly, voice your opinion on how this project
  should be realized! Choice of media/desktop/applications
  /configuration etc. More proposals on this coming soon.

Packaging the software and building the media constitutes less than a quarter of the effort required here. What we need most is strong community support so please respond to this email if you are interested!

Lets do it


[1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_Creation
[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreationSpinDevelopment
[4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA
[5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers
[6] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/
[7] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Musicians_Guide/index.html
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