I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Have a great weekend everyone!
[1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development#Primary_Packa...
regards,
On 06/29/2012 01:00 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Hi Jørn, I see rtirq is not in the primary list. It would be great to have it if the kernel boot parameter "threadirqs" is used. Otherwise you would not prioritize the soundcard interrupts over others and (I think) the advantage of threadirqs is not used...
-- Fernando
On 07/02/2012 07:22 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
On 06/29/2012 01:00 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Hi Jørn, I see rtirq is not in the primary list. It would be great to have it if the kernel boot parameter "threadirqs" is used. Otherwise you would not prioritize the soundcard interrupts over others and (I think) the advantage of threadirqs is not used...
-- Fernando
It's on the list at the bottom under "Kernel and Drivers" :)
On 06/29/2012 10:00 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Have a great weekend everyone!
[1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development#Primary_Packa...
regards,
Just had a look at the wiki - the newer single plugins drop the -plugins tag if there is only one ie. lv2-abGate
lv2core and lv2-ui are deprecated. Now just lv2
Do we need some more scopes/meters? ie. ebumeter jaaa japa (jmeter/jkmeter) - all very tiny with no extra dependencies
qastools - cool Qt mixer recently packaged http://xwmw.org/qastools/applications.html
Brendan
On 07/03/2012 10:35 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 06/29/2012 10:00 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Just had a look at the wiki - the newer single plugins drop the -plugins tag if there is only one ie. lv2-abGate
lv2core and lv2-ui are deprecated. Now just lv2
Do we need some more scopes/meters? ie. ebumeter jaaa japa (jmeter/jkmeter) - all very tiny with no extra dependencies
It would be great to have those. I use them all the time... -- Fernando
qastools - cool Qt mixer recently packaged http://xwmw.org/qastools/applications.html
On 4 July 2012 07:33, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano nando@ccrma.stanford.edu wrote:
On 07/03/2012 10:35 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 06/29/2012 10:00 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
Do we need some more scopes/meters? ie. ebumeter jaaa japa (jmeter/jkmeter) - all very tiny with no extra dependencies
A cautionary note: it's probably a bad idea to have multiple (certainly many) apps that do roughly the same thing unless there's a particular justification for each one, as it causes: a. a little end user confusion and b. fragmentation of usership, making integration harder and setups less predictable. That said there don't seem to be any dedicated scopes or meters on the list prior to these.
It would be great to have those. I use them all the time... -- Fernando
qastools - cool Qt mixer recently packaged http://xwmw.org/qastools/applications.html
Might have a look at this one, I know last time I tried to find a currently-packaged mixer in Fedora they were all disappointing so I stuck with alsamixer (held onto a gnome-alsamixer for long after it was retired).
On 07/04/2012 03:15 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
A cautionary note: it's probably a bad idea to have multiple (certainly many) apps that do roughly the same thing unless there's a particular justification for each one, as it causes: a. a little end user confusion and b. fragmentation of usership, making integration harder and setups less predictable. That said there don't seem to be any dedicated scopes or meters on the list prior to these.
Agreed in general, in this case these all focus on different things.
On 07/04/2012 07:35 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 06/29/2012 10:00 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Have a great weekend everyone!
[1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development#Primary_Packa...
regards,
Just had a look at the wiki - the newer single plugins drop the -plugins tag if there is only one ie. lv2-abGate
lv2core and lv2-ui are deprecated. Now just lv2
Do we need some more scopes/meters? ie. ebumeter jaaa japa (jmeter/jkmeter) - all very tiny with no extra dependencies
qastools - cool Qt mixer recently packaged http://xwmw.org/qastools/applications.html
Brendan
music mailing list music@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
I have uploaded the kickstart thus far[1]. I built it yesterday and it ran just fine. I didn't play around with it much, but first impressions are looking good. The resulting iso file did end up at 2 GB, so I don't think we should be aiming to fit into a CD, but we might still want to see if we can trim it down a little
[1]]http://jvlomax.fedorapeople.org/fedora-livedvd-jam-kde.ks
On 07/04/2012 01:30 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
[1]]http://jvlomax.fedorapeople.org/fedora-livedvd-jam-kde.ks
Excellent! Commit it to the music-sig's git repo - that's a great start.
It's in fact a whole live KDE DVD (mu fault - I think I gave you the wrong kickstart to import) + the music packages so theirs lots of room to cull. Fire it up as a live CD and see what's there.
You could use the kde-liveCD kickstart instead and it would be closer to 1 Gig I think. All the packages you used to build your ISO should be cached - so building new iso's shouldn't take so long
You could try adding the link to the musicians guide (see example in my last kickstarts mail). http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/index.htm.... If you set the desktop Categories correctly you can make it sit in the Multimedia menu with all our other apps.
Chris: there's no Fedora 17 link. I'm not sure how the docs work.
On 4 July 2012 12:52, Brendan Jones brendan.jones.it@gmail.com wrote:
You could try adding the link to the musicians guide (see example in my last kickstarts mail). http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/index.htm.... If you set the desktop Categories correctly you can make it sit in the Multimedia menu with all our other apps.
Thought: is it possible to package the musicians guide so it's available offline?
On 07/04/2012 03:04 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 4 July 2012 12:52, Brendan Jones brendan.jones.it@gmail.com wrote:
You could try adding the link to the musicians guide (see example in my last kickstarts mail). http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/index.htm.... If you set the desktop Categories correctly you can make it sit in the Multimedia menu with all our other apps.
Thought: is it possible to package the musicians guide so it's available offline?
It is, but as a general rule Fedora doesn't allow packaging content unless it is required by an application. This would fall under the code not content rule (obviously application documentation is different).
Exceptions can be made of course if the situation demands ...
On 07/04/2012 01:52 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 07/04/2012 01:30 PM, Jørn Lomax wrote:
[1]]http://jvlomax.fedorapeople.org/fedora-livedvd-jam-kde.ks
Excellent! Commit it to the music-sig's git repo - that's a great start.
It's in fact a whole live KDE DVD (mu fault - I think I gave you the wrong kickstart to import) + the music packages so theirs lots of room to cull. Fire it up as a live CD and see what's there.
You could use the kde-liveCD kickstart instead and it would be closer to 1 Gig I think. All the packages you used to build your ISO should be cached - so building new iso's shouldn't take so long
You could try adding the link to the musicians guide (see example in my last kickstarts mail). http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/index.htm.... If you set the desktop Categories correctly you can make it sit in the Multimedia menu with all our other apps.
Chris: there's no Fedora 17 link. I'm not sure how the docs work.
music mailing list music@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
Fixed it now. I think that was my bad, I just based it off the science/games spin (don't remember which) and used which ever include they had. I have updated the kickstart and I'm building in again now.
I'll commit it once I figure out how this git thing work, I'm a SVN guy myself (yes, they exist) and have not really used git much. I'm guessing this will be something like "git add <kickstarfile> && git commit". (don't worry, I'll figure it out for my self ;)
I'll get on to the musicians guide link right away.
Hi:
On Wednesday 04 July 2012 07:52:15 Brendan Jones wrote:
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You could try adding the link to the musicians guide (see example in my last kickstarts mail). http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/index.ht ml. If you set the desktop Categories correctly you can make it sit in the Multimedia menu with all our other apps.
Chris: there's no Fedora 17 link. I'm not sure how the docs work.
I didn't publish the Musicians' Guide for Fedora 17 because it's out of date. There's a general trend in Docs where, if a Guide isn't updated for a particular release, it's not published... I guess to point out the fact a user would be consulting something old.
As for packaging and including it with the release, I know I've posted about it previously, but some things have changed:
1.) We could easily justify an override of the "code not content" guideline.
2.) For Fedora 18, Docs will publish everything by building RPMs in koji, which the web server will download and install onto itself. This is possible because our documentation-building tools (called "Publican") can build a source RPM at the flick of a switch.
3.) The web server's RPMs would be different from what we'd include with live media, so it's still an extra step. But it's a small extra step--if I'm going to figure out RPMs anyway, figuring out two slightly different ones isn't a big deal.
4.) Correct me if I misunderstand, but it seems the biggest advantage of the Guide on the live media is not having to download the tutorial files. That makes sense, but the largest set of files--and the only set I want to keep in the long term--is for Ardour. They're copyrighted with CC-NC-SA, so we can't upload them to an official Fedora Project server (currently they're on Soundcloud). If the point is actually to have the documentation on the live media, we could craft a "no-media-files" branch to reduce the space it would take.
PLUG: If anybody is willing to volunteer an hour or two, to help point out exactly what needs to be updated in the Guide and how, I'd greatly appreciate it!
List of Potential Changes: - the LilyPond chapter uses Frescobaldi 1.x - Qtractor has been updated significantly - the "real time" portion could use a rewrite - will we get supercollider into the Fedora repository? - all the NEW or ASSIGNED bugs on Bugzilla[0]
No single task is large, but collectively it's too much for me. You can even become famous by having your name listed in the "Contributors" appendix![1]
Christopher.
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=musicians- guide&product=Fedora%20Documentation&list_id=247577
[1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/appe- Musicians_Guide-Contributors.html
On Fri, 2012-06-29 at 22:00 +0200, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Have a great weekend everyone!
[1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development#Primary_Packa...
It would be nice if we could include IDJC. It's the only Free Software GUI application I know for streaming to Icecast and with DJ capabilities. It's not a musician's tool, but I think it certainly fits on an Audio Spin.
On 07/05/2012 10:58 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote:
On Fri, 2012-06-29 at 22:00 +0200, Jørn Lomax wrote:
I have now completed a draft of the primary software list, the list of software that is going to go into the spin[1]. If your favourite piece of software is not on the list, please shout out so we can see if it's something we should add. Likewise, if there is something on the list that makes you go "Hang on a sec!", please say so too, so we can discuss if we really want it in there.
Any input is welcome, both negative and positive. Use some time to think too, I won't put the list into the spin kickstart file until the 5th of July, so we have until then to edit the list as freely as we want.
Have a great weekend everyone!
[1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development#Primary_Packa...
It would be nice if we could include IDJC. It's the only Free Software GUI application I know for streaming to Icecast and with DJ capabilities. It's not a musician's tool, but I think it certainly fits on an Audio Spin.
music mailing list music@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
I have added IDJC to the kickstart and the primary list. It was actually a request from the design-list that we include programs helpful for DJs is this is a welcome addition.
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